It's a Female Space Marine Thread

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>let's talk about why women should be allowed
It's not a matter of not being allowed, it's a matter of geneseed incompatibility. IIRC the Emperor tried making female Marines and couldn't.

There are plenty of factions in the game that are exclusively female or allow for both genders, so I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.

Wear the fucking helmet or don't. What is this goggles on head nonsense?

Let's talk about how they are and always have been and you never noticed.

>It's not a matter of not being allowed, it's a matter of geneseed incompatibility. IIRC the Emperor tried making female Marines and couldn't.
It's not really the lore disallowing women so much as GW. I'm honestly surprised it didn't happen with Primaris marines since they are just as disruptive as female marines would have been.
>so I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.
There's actually been a surprising lack of autistic screeching so far not that it will last long.

because their hormones get so warped that they're basically men anyway.

Literally all that would happen is some characters would admit in their heavy thunderous marine voice that they were female and continue to call and be called brother.

but in all honesty, the fluff is a very large place that allows for secret chapters of female space marines ranging from realistic to fap-bait so why the fuck not. Just don't expect everyone to praise you for it.

Anybody who actually care about the game would be against FemMarines on Lore Reasons. If they want "female representation" they should push to make a bigger market for SoB, and for more female Imperial Guard and Inquisitor models.

Don't mess with the lore when there is no reason for it. Either make the market for the already existing female Imperials or shut up and continue to play Tyranids.

This is my favourite potential retcon.

That bald sneering jarhead, with a body like five linebackers lashed together, and a face like a bulldog chewing a lemon? That thing used to be a woman.

Welcome to Warhammer 40K.

>continue to play Tyranids

The question that always comes up in these threads is who would Female Space Marines even appeal to? Who would buy them? Could their profit from Female Space Marines offset the cost in a meaningful way? I highly doubt that the women who play this game would instantly lap up female space marines and make GW millions.

This, there's an entire faction, the Adepta Sororitas full of strong independent females who are more devout and capable than half the galaxy.

There also might be a guard reg. made up of mostly women (cant remember if it was just a fanwork or if it got a mention in the old IG codexes).

But aside from the dumb reasons to push for more females and female empowering characters (there's just not large player base or chicks for tabletop games to be catering towards.)

>Who really gives a fuck?
changing an established fictional setting for the sake of "inclusiveness" is absolutely retarded

There are other avenues in 40k that can be explored if you really wanted toy soldiers with vaginas.

would female ogryn models be lore friendly.
snu snu

This fucking this.

You spergs won't admit it, but the sole reason you want female space marines is 'muh equality' and 'muh inclusiveness'.

This shit has been established for a really really long time, and the only reason to suddenly do femspacemarines is because "it's current year"

>I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.

Because "women only" is equality and "men only" is misogyny, shitlord.

Yeah, they aren't gene modded

This. I suspect the real reason why GW doesn't make female space Marines is that, with how much muscle mass they'd have, they wouldn't be recognizably feminine anymore, and not many girls want to play a masulated version of themselves.

Now if only there was an army of badass warrior women who wore power armor, used boltguns, were divided into subgroups with different tactical doctrines, and still retained their femininity...

I don't think anyone wants them (apart from some hambeast with multicolored hair ranting about feminism).But the idea is radically different from the norm so entertaining it isn't as bland as talking about how much a space marine can lift with his left arm.

Also there's probs a good amount of fa/tg/uys who want sm waifus.

I agree
Not like space marines need to have genitalia, they're basically just killing machines

>You spergs won't admit it, but the sole reason you want female space marines is 'muh equality' and 'muh inclusiveness'.

No, i'm pretty sure it's because neckbeards can't separate their porn and fetishes from their wargaming hobby, and muscle-girls are kinda hot

The average Veeky Forums goer doesn't give a fuck about equality

Hey, if my lore gets destroyed your lore gets destroyed.

>This. I suspect the real reason why GW doesn't make female space Marines is that, with how much muscle mass they'd have, they wouldn't be recognizably feminine anymore, and not many girls want to play a masulated version of themselves.
neets and weeaboos wouldn't buy them either if they weren't recognizably female.

It would be funny but would make people really upset if GW had said with the numarines that Cawl found a way to make the process work with women as well, but that the final result was almost indistinguishable from the men unless you saw them nude, and that about half the numarines *were* female and people just couldn't tell.

I need to make me a Tio model now.

They shouldn't, and anyone who wants them is either a ridiculously thirsty and unattractive fetishist or a thinly-veiled sjw. There's no reason for them to exist, it clashes with the lore, and it would make no money.

They did okay with the female Stormcast.

Only looks slightly female with showing abs and a slightly more feminine chestplate which wasnt even boobplate.

Dunno why all the lorefags get super anal about female marines popping up. GW and their lawyers clearly give no shits about fluff, just ask cadia.

All this stubborness about lore and not being politically correct is really a bit shallow and it kind of shits on creativity too. If chicks or sjws want to play female marines just let em. What are you going to do anyways when its their models in the first place.

even in-universe space marines are really stupid. The resources that go into raising, training, and equipping a space marine is really intense for something about as effective as two to three guardsmen.

Do wish they'd made her a bit bulkier/closer to the male ones. The crop top armour does look a bit goofy.

So this is why people turn to historicals eventually.
There's no lore to fuck up or sjwify.

>All this stubborness about lore and not being politically correct is really a bit shallow and it kind of shits on creativity too. If chicks or sjws want to play female marines just let em.
t.SJW

>There are plenty of factions in the game that are exclusively female or allow for both genders, so I don't see why this is such a hot-button topic.

The issue is generally 'The female-only faction has not had support since 3e while the male only faction is the posterboy of the setting and gets more support with individual sub-factions as some entire factions get.

In addition, the gender-equal factions have basically zero models to represent that gender equality. The Guard ones are out of production and barely existed in the first place and other factions are about the same (Even Eldar only get female models for only a few units)

You'd likely not hear anywhere near as much if the SOB were equally pushed as Space Marines.

They left two legions out of the lore for a reason user, so you can go and make whatever fucked up legion/successor chapter you want.The lore will stay the same but you and whoever is at your gamestore will have a small bit of alternate lore yourself.

There's a threshold where you need all that power concentrated

>The Emperor tried making female Marines and couldn't.
This is false. The Emperor specifically did not make female marines, and removed anything resembling a sex drive from the male marines, to prevent them from overruning and replacing humanity. The Emperor loves mankind, not the barely human supersoliders created to protect it.

they wanted to make sure people knew she was female, though the male stormcast chest plates are actually bulkier than the female chest plate.

I personally think her design isn't that good. The chest plates are one of the most striking things about the design of the stormcast and they should have made her chestplate look more similar. Just because she is a woman does not mean the armor that is three times the size of he chest anyway needs to have breasts sculpted on it.

No one actually stops them from making female marines. There's simply no president that warrants their official inclusion via new plastic kits.

It's also rather uncreative, to be perfectly honest.

Making a new cadian guardsmen kit is needed for a number of reasons, and adding a few female heads and torsos to it is more warranted.

As is creating a plastic Sisters of Battle line.

The issue is never actually about "female spacemarines," but about female minis. The only ones available are either decades-old overpriced metal models, eldar, and WHFB/AoS models. We only just recently got Greyfax and SoS, but those weren't so much things people really demanded and don't really help the situation. (Celestine gives high hopes however)

Honestly, if they'd wanted to include female marine-like models the Custodes would have been a good idea. They have so damn little fluff that gender restrictions have never been mentioned (Either way, existing or not) and they don't have the 'Geneseed doesn't work on women' thing sitting about because the Custodes process is different.

I thought it was because they wanted to get serious and thought the Rainbow Warriors weren't cool any more

I actually kind of want to make a HH force of rainbow warriors anyway, but I know for a fact people would sperg about it

>You'd likely not hear anywhere near as much if the SOB were equally pushed as Space Marines.
They will never be, because like all female "soldiers" they're little more than fetish bait for pathetic neckbeards. Girls do not, and never will, play wargames in significant numbers, so pandering to them is pointless.

>This shit has been established for a really really long time, and the only reason to suddenly do femspacemarines is because "it's current year"

Nah. The bigger reason is 'People already own space marine models and if we give them new female marine only units we can make them buy more marines rather than sitting on existing models'.

Like how Primarines are all new units rather than just a new marine model.

The problem with a new IG kit is the current IG line is very much tied to the current 2002 Cadian kit, so they would essentially have to remake the existing kit.

How cool would it be for a huge rollout of plastic Vostroyans to be the new face of the IG? Cadia was destroyed after all...

Give it time.

They've already ruined historical settings like world war 1 and the middle ages with the we wuz aussies or kangz.

>they wanted to make sure people knew she was female, though the male stormcast chest plates are actually bulkier than the female chest plate.

Yeah, I think they could have done something more like the sanquinery guard and it would have looked nicer if they wanted it to be recognisably female. A big, solid plate with detailing.

And what're you gonna do about it?

Whine on Veeky Forums while libs and neckbeards model titties on spess murines to make transexual or slutty looking looking female marines?

Women make shit soldiers.

Stop being dildos.

>WWI
>We Wuz Aussies

You know Australia was actually part of that war, right? I mean, it's part of their entire cultural history with Galipolli, the Light Horse Brigade etc and a major turning point for the country politically.

Yeah it did start as a wonky legions they made up while drunk af, then got retconned almost immortally upon realizing that it was

A. a stupid idea for the legions and probably would hurt the image they were trying for (grimdarkness, ultra masculinity, and edgy shit).

B.(The one I allways heard) was that they knew people would be making their own models and shit using other companies and manufacturers. But they wanted to retain those people to a WH40k setting which would lead to them actually buying the GW models.

Thats why if anyone brought in a female sm army I'd have no problem with it because thats one of the things that GW got right (Allowing for personal additions to the lore).

Yeah.

Its not like females havent been T4 in 40k before anyways, mechanicus female magos, assassins, and daemon possessed females have all been probably as strong or stronger than a line astartes.

Nice try Shlomo.

No dice made the aussies black in battlefield.

This is much more interesting than the OP tell me about the shitposters taking over ww1.

oh you talking about vidya. who cares.

Whine on Veeky Forums it is lol.

So I guess you can't stop it after all.

We're not arguing that freindo. We're debating why GW has decided to not pursue more female characters or increase the female factions already in existence.

The side supporting the female space marines is currently losing the debate, so theres no need to get hyped.

/pol/ cares.

You should be worried when an entire generation is literally being brainwashed with sjw lies about history.

Beides the crop top I like it.

Can you imagine what would have happened if we had female space marines...

>The long secret of the Dark Angels...

Long gone, we all know women cant hold secrets for shit. They would be all "and then Luther that dick just started a freaking rebellion or something, gash! Hes so annoying.. .Anyways, so how was your day?"

>/pol/
You have to go back.

The rainbow warriors are just unfortunate. They were a reference to some native american mythology but then shortly after "rainbow" came to mean "gay"

Making fetish fuel female marines that will probably get hot glued by neckbeards is hardly sjw-tier.

>If I shove dildos up my plastic army men's asses, I win
Whatever you say, kek.

And? What's the lie? There were over aboriginal soldiers in the AIF. The numbers were not super high but they did serve.

Why do you insist on making /pol/ look like we're all in white genocide panic mode 24/7, cause thats what your doing.

Let me think about anything other than the liberal history rewritting for more than 5 seconds please.

Its vidya made by sweden. I thought you were saying historicals were being corrupted to sell resin to Australians. That would of been funny.

Just like GW hasn't made female marines because it would hurt the teenage boy sales. Badly. And that is their bread and butter.

>Just like GW hasn't made female marines because it would hurt the teenage boy sales. Badly. And that is their bread and butter.

Eh, I think it's less 'It would hurt' and more 'It would be more investment for not much gain'. People are unlikely to buy less marines just because 1/10 models in the box are a girl but that does mean a need for another mould.

>injuns?
>homos?

I thought it was them thinking up some weird shit named 'rainbow warriors' then the the 'Rainbow Warrior' ship incident happened IRL and it became a touchy subject so they dropped it in and concept.

Also it was the dark angels who were the native Americans based legion in the setting originally.But that got dropped for the super old testament monk thing.

This was never a space marine. Quit being deliberately retarded.

You can do whatever you want with your models
conversion wise. Make up a good lore for it and
it just makes whatever you're playing that much
better. There's two fill-in-the-blank aka
-REDACTED- legions to play around with, and
there's no reasonchaos space marines can't be
women.

I just don't get the pining about the emperor not
wanting women in his legions. That even adds
flavor to your models too, because they might
piss off the stricter chapters.

This game is what you make it. Build the models
well, paint them well, make a good story, play by
the rules and no one can stop you.

What, sure it was. Just look, read quite clearly at center bottom "Female Space Marine Gabs." Also note "Female Space Marine Jayne" at the top right corner.

Those both says "Female Warrior".

>m-muh sjw bogeyman

Maybe I just want female space marines because I like female space marines?

>plastic Vostroyans

I was personally hoping for trenchcoat guardsmen with Vostroyan and Steel Legion headswaps.

Could even make up a regiment to add to the headswaps. they take up so little space anyway.

Up until Primaris Marines, I would have agreed with this.

Now, I give no shits. They may as well do female Marines. The old lore no longer matters, so go full-bore on a soft reboot they're doing and take away one more avenue for people to complain about.

>you can ALWAYS write fluff in a way to justify something existing or working in a different way. All of the arguments couching things in "but the lore says this" are specious arguments. Lore is not and never will be inviolate.

lol nice photoshop

Why don't you post some proof that isn't digital and therefore can't be faked?

Is this legit or fan made?

It's one named character in a board game for AoS.

Sigmarines were never exclusively male anyway. As I understand it, they're the dead given form again.

Are you one of those white supremacists who believe history is being "blackwashed"?

awm.gov.au/about/our-work/projects/indigenous-service

Maybe you should stop being /pol/ or stop bitching about white genocide then?

They might want to make some female imperial guard models first.

Not that it matters the games already dead with 8E.

>salty 7th fag

How does it feel to be awful at everything?

Even in lore, pre Primaris, Fabius Bile managed to make a female Space Marine. He remarked that it was pretty easy, and wondered why the Emperor didn't do it. He obviously doesn't think himself a better biologis than the Emperor.

It seems to follow another interpretation of why the Emperor didn't make female Astartes; he didn't want to make a separate species of humanity that would subsume the rest. Space Marines are dependent on humanity for propagation, taking candidates and making them into more Astartes. If they could reproduce sexually, and not need humanity to make more marines, they might not feel the need to shackle themselves to humanity as tightly. The Emperor built weapons, not people, and much like the Primarchs they're just tools; a means to an end to be discarded or set aside when no longer needed.

Of course, if Fabius can pull that stunt, it's quite possible Cawl can as well.

Marines don't reproduce marines. Pretend they did have sex and women gave birth to their offspring (ignoring all arguments of whether they can or not) All the organs implanted basically make an initiate into a biological cyborg so their offspring would be normal unmodified humans.

>not liking Age of Guliman means you want to play Age of Riptide wing instead

errr
bile can make many things
but his creations are soley Chaos Space Marines if you can even call it that.

How stable they are (both mentally and physically) in the long term, i.e. what EMPS wanted, is rather open to debate.

You sure post like it.

>mentally and physically stable marines

There you go folks! that's why they're not female!

As a gay man myself, nothing makes me more furious than the fact that faggots stole the rainbow forever.

>All the organs implanted basically make an initiate into a biological cyborg so their offspring would be normal unmodified humans.

Space Marines having offspring creates a lot of problems in the long run. Nepotism being first among them.

Only the best of the best of the best men/boys can pass the trials required to be allowed to become a space marine.

Even if it were allowed for some reason no woman would ever reach the entrance criteria, and seeing how this is the IoM, they're not gonna pull a RealLifeModernMilitary and give women lower pass thresholds for muhfeels reasons.

And of course there's all the emphasis on space marine chapters being a BROTHERHOOD of battle BROTHERS who are led by BROTHER-sergeants, commanded by their BROTHER-captains.

Dedication to warfare has always been a boys club and always should be. The only people who argue otherwise are either soldier girl fetishists, guro fetishists or SJWs.

It's actually an unknown quantity. We don't have instances on lore where they do produce offspring, though Relic has asked the question. Salamanders do have families back home, but that's often viewed as familiar groups like parents and extended family, or possibly adoptive families.

He could probably produce stable marines. I mean, they'd still be CSM. He's not so much interest in making more basic marines, as the Traitor Legions want him to do, so much as improving upon the Space Marine design to make them truly perfect creatures. Unfortunately, to his own twisted ambitions, that's less "better Space Marine" and more "perfection in an angry blob of a hundred tentacles that spits fire". What would perfection look like to someone who doesn't spend a lot of time around marble statues and instead spends a lot of time around Chaos Spawn?

I mean, the guy's made replica Primarchs before, and his greatest ambition is building an Emperor 2.0.

how can you post non digital proof on the internet? surely putting the proof on the internet makes it digital...

Because it makes my pee-pee hard.