/STG/ - Star Trek General

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You have ten seconds to name a more perfect Q-2017.

Reminder that Cryptic just released 2 real money grab bag ships that are both that ship.

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The Husnok ship, for certain, but what else?

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Effortlessly.

>darker future
This meme needs to end.
Though there really needs to be a new Trek cartoon. Something for the kids. It was kids growing up with TOS that led to the major success of TNG and the movies. NuTrek being aimed mainly at millenials and younger gen-xers is really throwing away the future of the franchise.
Lucas (and Disney) had it right - get the kiddos hooked on it (even if adults don't like it so much), and you can milk nostalgia forever. But, you need to keep getting new kids hooked on it, so you can milk their nostalgia too. CBS is trying to milk Trekkie nostalgia, but there's just not enough of that anymore for more than some futile half-measures like STO.

Hasn't he already been involved in Trek? Although I guess that never stopped Jeffrey Combs or the guy who played Sisko's dad.

I'd take Wil Wheaton over him at this point. Otherwise what said.

I dunno. I think he's too good for nuTrek, and Benegesserit Cumberbund would better suit the garbage that is the new franchise.

Cummerbund is already *in* nuTrek though, making him unavailable.

I will admit to a certain confusion though, as to why we aren't tapping John DeLancy again. Q doesn't give a shit about alternate universes as far as I know and DeLancy is still alive and rockin a hella beard now so he's probably available.

If it's Q for a reboot TNG, then sure whatever.

If it's Q for something else, no reason why not bring in a new actor and make it a different Q.

What's wrong with John DeLancie?

Well he is almost 70.

what they should do is start out with DeLancie, but occasionally swap out to a younger actor/actress under the idea "I'm Q. Sometimes I get bored and wanna try a different face."

Or, more likely, they will never bring back Q as it will remind people how shit Discovery will be in comparisom to TNG.

This is what would happen in a rational universe with logical people.

But we both know we are far away from that universe, dont we user?

It's a Starfury.

Damn it does doesn't, like Star Trek/Babylon 5 fanboys needed anymore reasons to bitch about.

Finally, I too can be a space pirate in a ship that appeared for less than 20 seconds on screen. Who's the Snap Dragon now, assholes?

I don't particularly get the hype people seem to have for the Akira. All the same, she's a pretty ship.

It's probably because is one of the best designs of the non-hero ships (as in, not the main ship in any of the shows or films). It's why people pick it if they want to have a cool ship still that feels like it's one of their own in STO or RPGs or whatever.

Nailed it.

Akira is one of those ships that could be a hero-ship. It's a lot more graceful, hell just outright 'cool' looking than most alternatives for the era, and because it's not a hero-ship it has not got the bad fanfiction stink of everyone wanting to captain a main character ship when people want to use it for their own stuff.

>what is the Nova class

Reminder that an Akira's engineering crew probably despises the design because of the miles of plasma conduits running from the warp core in the saucer out to the nacelles, nevermind that there are 50% more personnel than normal to run the flight deck despite the ship being a third the mass of a Galaxy...

>engineering crew probably despises the design because of the miles of plasma conduits running from the warp core in the saucer out to the nacelles
Not any longer than most other ships. And almost all of that length runs through parts of the ship that are more than one deck thick, unlike the Excelsior or Galaxy, which I'd figure makes maintenance easier instead of harder.

Not anywhere near as useful because it's fucking tiny. And not as cool looking either.

Comparisons to something like a Galaxy don't really make sense because a Galaxy is designed to do pretty much everything. Ships like the Akira, Intrepid, Nova and so on are designed with a specific purpose instead of being generalists, therefore they're going to have far less crew.

Gonna have to side with on this. If I was doing a campaign I'd pick a less combat-centric vessel, like a Nova, over an Akira.
Though I'd be more likely to use a Luna or Nebula class instead, as they'd have the wider variety of functions over the Akira (a combat vessel) or the Nova (small, science oriented surveyor).
And If I were picking a combat vessel, I'd go with an Excelsior, because we know those tough motherfuckers can take hits. Plus they also perform at least some sort of exploratory requirements.

More like the one after that. The one with multiple seats and a forward fuselage. Can't remember what it was called.

Already happened, it's called DS9. Check it out sometime.

I think you mean the Thunderbolt

I feel like Klingons make for great sideplots (and opponents in the case of TOS), but having an entire series about BLOOD, HONOR and Duras dickery would be a bit much.

They sort of did that with Klingon Academy.

>what is the nova class
Cute for sure, maybe even sexy. But it's certainly not /cool/ on the same level as the Akira.

Still, Nova's comfortably the second best non-hero ship, even if we count the Ent-C as non-hero.

Technically they're both Starfuries. The regular one is the Starfury Aurora, the one the other user was talking about is the Starfury Thunderbolt.

>another Ambassador admirer
My [Jalad to my Darmok]

On that note: am I the only person who likes the show model but with canted nacelle pylons like pic related?

>darker future
>This meme needs to end.
Couldn't agree more. Being an optimistic future is part of the core identity of Star Trek. The later seasons of DS9 are about as dark as the franchise should ever get.

I found the ending of DS9 (shit Dukat becoming Alien Satan story no included) to be incredibly optimistic.

By the late 24c humanity had spent a long time intentionally not picking up the sword and embracing the olive branch of peace.

Then we were forced to go back to learning how to war once again but at the end Sisko and Admiral found no love of war.

When push came to shove the Star Fleet demonstrated that it could fight but not be consumed by it.

The new series is a prequel. Didn't we have enough of aliens being encountered before their official first contact in Enterprise?

Yet there's no real evidence to support the notion that the Akira is anything other than a mass-produced delaying tactic. All we ever see them do is get fucked up on screen in short order. Say what you will about the Miranda, but at least we saw them take a few punches.

In Romulan hierarchy, what's the difference between the Emperor and the Praetor? And then basically that same question for the Praetor and Proconsul.

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Got any more angles? I like it more than the swept-forward version that was supposed to be original.

Eh, it's okay. I might be biased against it by all of Cryptic's shitty Galaxy variants it resembles, though.

>mass-produced delaying tactic
>full sized cruiser, complex hull form, confirmed design niche of being armed for combat support as well as having the usual wide array of gear including a full deflector array unlike the Miranda and many other ships

Lulwut? Also they were seen repeatedly doing things other than exploding, hell they even got used a bunch on Voyager. Your conclusion is pretty weird sideways logic that just doesn't work.

The Enterprise B and the Excelsior herself were both hero ships. That heavily implies well rounded deep space cruiser, at least when they aren't upgunned and uparmored to fucking Defiant class for war footing.

The Excelsior is for when you want to be Sulu. The Akira is for Top Gun IN SPACE (Top Phaser?) and torp spam.

The Emperor is the head of state, but mostly a figurehead (like Queen Elizabeth or the Emperor of Japan).

The Praetor is the head of state and head of the Senate, basically a Prime Minister or Premier (in US terms they'd be like the Speaker of the House/Senate, though it's confused by the fact that the RSE appears to have a unicameral legislature, unlike most countries on Earth today). But they're also effectively commander of chief in the military, and as such basically the de facto holder of power, even though on paper they're beneath the Emperor and Emperor's Legate.

The Proconsul is directly below the Praetor, and seems to handle day-to-day operations of the senate; even though the Praetor is technically head of the Senate, the Praetor also leads the Continuing Committee (basically the cabinet, consisting largely but not completely of Senators).

The only reference to an Emperor (or rather, Empress) is a historical mention by Q of all people. The position of Emperor appears to not exist in modern Romulan society, like how there was no Klingon Empire for generations until clone Kahless showed up.

The difference between the Praetor and Proconsul is likely (though this is speculation on my part) that the Praetor is head of state while the Proconsul has the delegated authority to be head of legislature. On paper the Praetor has ultimate authority, but as he's busy running the executive branch of the country it's the Proconsul who leads the Senate itself in the common day-to-day legislative tasks.

>The new series is a prequel

Those don't even count

Not really. Given the Akira seems to have been part of the anti-borg fleet, it wouldn't be at all out of place for the ship to have been designed as a cheap, easily produced weapons platform, capable of operating with a much smaller crew than a comparably sized cruiser. Able to punch above it's weight with fewer potential crew casualties, while being not particularly durable, seeing as ship durability basically goes out the window against a borg cube. To an extent, that seems to have been the MO for Starfleet up until they encountered the Dominion.

Which would then explain why they saw significant use during the Dominion war. Lots of firepower, easier to crew up. But would also explain the higher onscreen casualty rates of the ship during that war. Shots that we see Galaxy, Excelsior, Defiant and Nebula class ships tanking seem to cut right through the Akira.

Frankly I see no evidence that the ship isn't just the result of Starfleet throwing together a design to placehold for the next generation of ships.

>Torp spam
That always bugged me, seeing as we know that a single or double tube setup can shit out torpedoes at a rapid rate. See the Galaxy, Intrepid and Defiant classes for reference.

It's the difference between an artillery platoon and an artillery battalion.

>All these ships don't even split into 3 separate ships for no discernible tactical advantage besides presenting more targets

What's even the point lads?

>It's not like swarm tactics are slightly less useless against the Borg or anything, no!

How? A ship of comparable size could carry a similar compliment of torpedoes and fire them at essentially the same rate. I'm sure the Akira design has some advantages. Perhaps some sort of modular sections for mission versatility, but I just don't see the benefit in a bunch of extra tubes.

It's very simple. The Prometheus was designed to distract the Tal Shiar. Starfleet intelligence knows that the Romulans are always poking around, looking to steel plans for experimental ships. So they built something that had a bunch of new features that sounded cool and diverted the Romulans from looking into ship designs that actually made sense.

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Why separate your ships when you can combine them?

Upon seeing it in 3d... nah, not a fan. Lots of angles where it just doesn't look right. Maybe if the pylons connected directly to the hull rather than the protrusion, or were swept back, and actually joined under the nacelle rather than on a corner, then it might be a bit better but there's just something wrong about the way it is there, it messes with the lines of the rest of it.

Honestly I don't see any evidence for that either, especially since we have some rough crew numbers, size and the like and it's not anything unusual at all for typical star fleet heavy cruiser.

Now we must ask ourselves, is that a tiny D'deridex, or a giant Galaxy?

>What if star trek was made as a 1950's show instead of a 1960's show.

It wouldn't be communist red.

USS would stand for United States Starship.
Nazi and Communist worlds would get purged from orbit.
There would be an active arms race with the Klingons instead of cautious MADesque peace.
No Uhura or Number One.

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>Neutronium plating
lolno

You know, for all that that spec sheet talks up this design, did no one ever just LOOK at the fucking thing and say "yeah, no, it looks like a piece of shit". That forward wing design and the little fins past the nacelles looks atrocious. If you sweep the wing back and you knock off those fins, maybe it looks alright, but as is it's pretty garbage-tier. I prefer the *Norway* even.

Also the ship would be more traditional cigar rocket shaped.

>Recently found my old copy of Bridge Commander and got it working on win 8.1
Man, I forgot how damn good this game is. The story is well paced and engaging and the soundtrack is superb.

Just wish Saffi Larsen wasn't such a cunt, eh?

But yeah, I fuckin' loved Bridge Commander, too. Helps that your tactical officer looks like the Rock.

The Praetor is the leader of the senate. Proconsul is high ranking position, but below Praetor. If we're talking canon that's about all we know. There really isn't much information about the Romulan government. We don't even know if senators are chosen democratically or appointed.

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Is it bad that I see this and think "Federation attempts to build a Klingon D-series in its own aesthetics"?

I can't see anything but a romulan bird of prey with a saucer stuck on the front.

can't unsee.

I would guess that Romulan Senatorships are semi-elected. Rather than an election of the Citizenry, the Senstor would be elected by some sort of Patrician class. The Emperor would naturally be a hereditary position. The Consuls (Pro- and Vice-) would then be elected by the Senators. Whereas the Oraetor would be an appointment, either by the Emperor or Continuing Committee.

With how volatile Romulan politics look to be, I'd imagine the Emperor is a booby prize on par with being a Locutus, to be honest. I also can't imagine the Senate letting power slip through their fingers like the Classical Roman Senate did.

I can imagine it. I just can't imagine It lasting too long before "accidents" start happening.

>I also can't imagine the Senate letting power slip through their fingers like the Classical Roman Senate did.

The Real power is likely with the Praetor. As we see and hear about them a lot more. If the Praetor were then beholden to the Continuing Committee, then I'd say the Senate could control the Praetor that way.

>Romulan picks up a human history book on Rome
>"Hah, amateurs."

So how would a Vulcan/Romulan reunification go? Vulcans aren't going to jump into emotion and Romulans aren't going to give them up. I can't imagine the two getting along as a mixed population too well considering how distasteful the Vulcans consider emotion.

TNG showed us that some Romulans are being converted to Surak's philosophies. Also, I doubt Vulcan is in any position to demand that the Romulans relinquish their temporal power, even post-Hobus. So, I think the question is more about geo-politics than which emotions are going where. Will Vulcan leave the Federation in order to rejoin with the Republic? Will the reunification be purely ideological (I think this is both possible and practical), rather than something that will shift borders?

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Yeah they fucked up.

It's clearly derived from two of the handful of concept sketches put in at the end of the TNG tech manual, but managed to fail at basic make-trek-ship-look-good rules in translation.

>Pre-TOS stylings
>TOS era registry

Nah. I mean it's not terrible as a design goes but really it looks like something that might have been tried around the ENT-era... or rather it's something I'd assign to a non-Star Fleet ship like maybe Orions since it's a clear blend of styles (and not just the name, in SFB they were known for using basically everyone's stuff in producing their own vessels).

that reminds me of this ship-sexual cutscene in Star Control 3