Warmasters' Triumvirate XVI

Are you talking about Mot?

He would become one at some point during the heresy. Mot acts as the catalyst that brings Hashut to this point. But what horrific acts can one man commit to create a chaos god?

>Are you talking about Mot?
I guess.

What values does Hashut embody? Also it'd probably not just be Mot, it'd be Mot, the Forge Lords, and any cults of Hashut they begin

This Warseer post sums him up nicely, I think.

>The Horned Rat is the god of politicking, lies, power, and selfishness
Literally Tzeentch.

>Mot and the Forge Lords enslave entire planetary populations to feed their warmachine
>Entire worlds are scoured clean and re-purposed to better serve the XX Legion
>Regiments of Army soldiers are thrown away with the same ease as ammunition
>etc

Yeah, pretty much. They have to wage their one-legion war against the separatists somehow.

I have to say, I just realized
The Death's Heads originally started as an idea for a Traitor Legion, with the idea they'd start making their Cybernetica and Daemon Engines out of wood and shit, as they'd embody this idea of "Nurgle as the Natural Cycle", then they went Separatist with the idea of "Filthy Human Untermensch cannot possibly rule the Imperium", and now they're Loyalist with the idea of "We are the last line of defense between mortal Humanity and the terrors of the Galaxy"

Really interesting to me desu, how they've now been on every side

You should write up some sub-factions for the ones you didn't use.

Anyone here?

I've given it some thought, and I do actually like it. He's still not be quite on the same level as the Big 4, but him becoming a Chaos God because of the Forge Lords' campaigns against the Seps is real neat.

Remember, guys, that Slaanesh birth was a fuckhueg clusterfuck at the Eldar and Chaos Pantheons. Even a minor deity could break the balance and cause yet another clusterfuck

That's my thought. I really don't understand why we are having this fifth god as it doesn't really seem that plausible.

Ok, so, here's my suggestion

>Loxodontii or the Leviaithan Host pull a Calth, summon Samus or w/e and cause the Ruinstorm
>Ruinstorm cuts the galaxy in half, splitting the Loyalists and Seperatists
>Forge Lords swear loyalty to Hashut, a Greater Daemon of Chaos Undivided
>Forge Lords take on the task of fucking with the Seps alone, doing shit like
>They worship Hashut like he already is a God and keep sacrificing shit to him
>This eventually causes Hashut to ascend into Lesser Godhood
>Since Hashut already was a Greater Daemon, his ascension into Lesser Godhood is less traumatic than Slaanesh's birth into Major Godhood
>This causes the Ruinstorm to last much longer than it does in the OU

Hashut doesn't become the 'fifth god', the big four will still be the big players (if anything, that'd be Malal). We're simply introducing a new 'level' of warp entity, the 'Lesser god', while we true gods can be considered 'Major gods'.

That makes sense. But i still don't understand why hashut is the only one of the minor Gods bring brought in. imo he seems rather shoehorned in because somebody wanted to have special God or something.

Also don't take this as me thinking we need more minor Gods since we don't.

I get what you mean, it doesn't do much for me either, but atleast its a way to explain the extended Ruinstorm.

More minor gods are implied to exist already, like Malice/Malal. The requirements for becoming a lesser god are quite steep, as the warp entity in question needs to be a Greater Daemon of Chaos Undivided, and those are RARE. Hashut's ascension is really not that difficult to introduce and, while it wouldn't have been the road I'd gone down, it does work well enough for me to be fine with it happening.

After talking it with others, Pacha's height will be raised to 10, to make him the biggest Primarch of them all.

I think i missed the extended ruinstorm discussion. Can you explain that?

The idea is to extend the Heresy compared to the OU, from 7 years to something closer to 20 years. Then the plan is to keep the Ruinstorm going for about two more decades, albeit at reduced strength, to make sure the Imperium is sufficiently changed for the Seperatists to be absolutely horrified at it.

So far, there was no explanation for the extended Ruinstorm, but Hashut ascension into Lesser Godhood could be sufficient.

What are people thoughts on Nikea? How do we want it played?

Don't change Nikaea too much. We have to move it, or Ullanor, around slightly, as in the OU it takes place after the Ullanor campaign. The Council should still be focussed on the problem of Psykers, changing that would be kind of goofy too.

Yeah I agree, it is 100% about psykers and we move it to before the Ullanor campaign. I meant we should hash out how it goes down like we did for Ullanor and Emps getting hurt last night

Oh? I didn't see that discussion then. It was brought up on Discord, is that what you're referring to? Different time zones make things like 'last night' kind of weird.

Why do we still have Nikaea?

Because the Emperor needs to make his opinion heard on Psykers in the Astartes. That is quite vital as they lead to the censuring of Pacha and Lambach. It even makes sense to move the Council forward a bit, since there are more Psykers and their potential risks would become apparent much quicker. We could move it to a different planet, but Nikaea as an event should still happen.

Nikea gives a lot of Primarchs cause for concern and a reason to get aggro at the Emperor.
Raj we moved time line awhile back I think, that's why I wrote those questions in that order. They happen in the order of the questions we filled out. Check the timeline I chucked up in the spreadsheet?

So I think Yochin is gone.

What we have at the moment from the user, hallowed be his name, is like something out of a Power Metal Rock Opera. I say we keep this.

He's from a desert world.
The wu gou term looks Chinese to me, but I'm not aware of any relevant meaning for it, so it could just be made up. For whatever reason, Yochin always looked Khmer to me.
But yeah, I'm imagining a metal head rock opera guy for Yochin. What are other people thinking?

Cut the legion.

No, they're quite vital.

His backstory is quite extensive as it is. Let's just keep him around and figure out something collaboratively. If he ever does show up again, we'll give him his legion back.

No legion is that vital.

That's a waste.

The Disciples are vital to the way the Imperium evolves during the Ruinstorm. They walk a fine line where they're fanatical nuts, but not Lorgar levels fanatical.
We can't cut them, we'd have to either replace them with a sliiiightly different version of the exact same legion, or we'd have to completely rewrite the entire Sep-Loyalist dynamic post-Heresy AGAIN and we're NOT doing that.

Oh well.

We've already established lore and relationships with all of the other legions, it would be a waste just to dump that because their user went away. It's too late to start cutting legions now, that was for the opening process when things weren't as fleshed out.

You guys wanna link along with an abandoned legion? Be my guest.

Maybe we could find someone to adopt them.

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And while I'm at it, here's what I'm thinking for the Separatist's motivations:

Je'She has just enacted violent censure on Lambach without consulting anyone. Marduk sending Isekho against Pacha was bad enough, but at least he had not intended for that to be violent.
And now, Je'She is getting cozy with the High Lords. Rumor has it that he's going to put them into nominal control over even the Regent and become sole warmaster, the tyrant!
The High Lords are going to keep the inefficient managerial schemes and Je'She cannot be trusted with power. It's also pretty clear that Je'She isn't going to support administrative reform or tolerate threats to his authority. Malcador doesn't seem that comfortable with it, either.
(At least according to Gyahdred. The idea here is to make Je'She seem like a tyrant from a certain point of view, and it can't seem like Malcador is in control, otherwise Gyahdred and probably Frederick won't rebel.)

Anyways, shit kicks off in some minor way and the sides are being drawn. I blame Rokuten, but hidden chaos legions may be involved. Malcador goes to negotiate peace between Frederick and Je'She, who are both open to it, but chaos has him assassinated. Each blames the other and we have a massive war on that planet, instead of Terra.
Frederick's bunch have been setting up in the Ultima Segmentum and fighting breaks out along that border.

Then the ruinstorm hits.

Sound about right?

Be that as it may, if we were to replace them, plot requirements at this point would result in a pretty much identical legion.

Collaborative legions can work pretty well.

>Be that as it may, if we were to replace them, plot requirements at this point would result in a pretty much identical legion.
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>Collaborative legions can work pretty well.
Not in my experience.

>I blame Rokuten
That's a very reasonable thing to do.

Hey man, in HkH the Warmaster and his entire legion were abandoned and we collaborated on them. Yochin is pretty essential and has a decent amount of fluff. Plus, if the user ever does come back it's much better if his legion is still around so he can jump back in. Cutting legions should come much later, and only if they've proven to be unimportant and uninvolved with the overall plot.

We just sorta fumbled with Hektor and we never got anywhere. We were still in the Heresy for like two years.

I don't really think Hektor was the problem in that whole mess. Though I do think not cutting legions when we should have was part of the problem. So I guess I acquiesce.

In this case though, I think we should let this happen at least for a little while. I can't really see cutting a legion right now being productive, especially if we don't have anything to put in their place. And like Raj said, if we did cut and replace them we'd have to make a legion that's functionally identical because they're the one of the main catalyzing points for the Imperium ending up the way it does.

So running with the Symphonius Disciples, as I currently understand it, they've got a metric assload of cultists and sonic marines. Running with the image of Yochin shredding so hard on his axe that it shoots fire, I think jetbike lancers might be pretty cool, since that seems pretty at home in a Dragonforce album.
Kind of picturing an Emperor-fanatic Nathan Explosion. "The Emperor demands our Brutality"

Naw, he has a tank that is a pipe organ. They play orchestral music.

so an Exorcist?

Actually, that could work in that whole My Armor is Contempt sort of way. Less a religion of "The Emperor died for your sins" and more of "worship the emperor because he was the most metal man to ever live. Go forth and conquer! Go forth and die!"
So more of Humanity Fuck Yeah: The Musical: The Religion
The way to please the emperor is to live epically and kill a bunch of xenos and heretics. Then you get to ride the red roads of Valhalla.

Pipe organs are plenty metal. And maybe it's symphonic metal.

The Emperor never died. He lives on, and he watches over all humanity. Suggesting he was killed is Heresy of the highest degree.

Also oddly enough, we cut Gregoire and he got replaced by a very similar legion. Kinda weird, actually.

Yeah, that tends to happen when stuff is built around specific Primarchs. You get of them, you either get a new one that's similar, or you redo everything else. That's often an easy decision to make.

As for Yochin, originally I imagined him as the classical bard, though I like the METAL AS FUCK DUDE version too... let's go with that. He's generally considered to be a cool ddude, which is why nobody really tries to stop him until its too late.

Bump

FOr the Disciples, is gold and white a fitting color scheme? It seems kind of off to me.

Not gold, actual yellow, with some white. I like it, it's quite unique, especially for a legion.

Alright. So the big interlocutors for it seem to be:
Pacha
Lambach
Emil

vs

Einchurt
Piter's Iosef Gorbev

Linares, Valorn were there

Zelbezis and Gyahdred sat that one out, though Gyahdred sent a librarian that nobody listened to anyways and Zelbezis sent a few guys.

Mot and Raj just plain didn't show.

Based on this, I think we need some more anti-Psyker guys to go and be loud and angry.
Yochin seems a natural. and Je'She being there and vocal would also help things down the road.
Would also be a neat moment for hurting feelings more, since the religious guy is getting the Imperial Truth psyker guy in trouble.

I'm also thinking the METAL AS FUCK version would be hard to censure directly thanks to his zeal and rapid conquests, unlike Lorgar.
Yochin goes in, wrecks stuff, liberates people, passes out some pamphlets and moves on. Praise the Emperor.

What are you thinking?

Really? The chart says gold and white. Must be out of date.
I'm not sure, but it just doesn't seem metal-y to me.

What color trim?

Gotcha.

White. They change the trim to black after the Emperor goes down.

>Lotan the Stone Feller
A monstrous brute of a man, Lotar was among Mot Hadad's lieutenants at the time of the Heresy and was known for his prodigious size, rivaling even his primogenitor in stature. Among his exploits were commanding a strike force to eradicate the stone men of Lambent IV, where he received his most widely used title. It is said that Lotan was one of the earliest of the Forge Lords to embrace the worship of Hashut, and indeed he was the one who deciphered the prophecy detailing Hashut's apotheosis.

Like so?

Seems good. Cantankerous sumbitch I take it? Or is he more of a gear of war?

no orange, just yellow and gold. Isn´t their scheme around somewhere? In the doc?

In fact it is not. The only description is this: "Gold, with white trim, black trim post heresy (?)"

>The Hunt For The Red October
>But everytime we say "Yochin Is Missing", another user goes to find him

Its been posted in the thread several times. Someone even posted the last line-up on the Discord.

Oh, I just liked the orange.
Otherwise, it looks kind of fisty.

What do you mean by Gear of War?

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Reposting from last thread for CnC
The Campaigns of the Dusk Phantoms are intense and highly lethal. Severe injury is not uncommon, but thanks to the legion's close ties with the Mechanicum, apothecaries have additional options beyond the oft employed dreadnought sarcophagus. Elite members close assault specialists in the legion can be revived as Revanent Terminators.
Originally designed for the massive Cataphractii Pattern, but later expanded to be compatible with other variants, the Revenants are augmented and bonded with their armor for increased durability and performance, exceeding even that usually possible through the black carapace.
Revenants are equipped with a wide array of wargear, depending upon the mission they are to perform, but in general, they are fitted with additional arms and augur arrays. They also serve as veteran sergeants and lieutenants for other squads due to both their great experience and their equipment.

For a breaching assignment, a Revenant Squad may be armed with boarding shields, chainfists, flamers, and melta cutters, while macro-extinction protocols may call for rad-grenades, massive thunder hammers, and archaeotech side arms.
In a fire support configuration, a Revenant may be given a pair of heavy weapons, and even a cyclone missile launcher.

I'm doing terribly at describing these guys, I know. But basically, they're vets who aren't quite ready for dreadnoughts, put in hueg Terminator plate with 4 arms, and are basically mini-centurions. They'd be the sort of thing you could also take as an elite or something to stick with a squad and hand out benefits thanks to their augur arrays.
In 7th, they'd be like T5 W3 2+ 4++ FNP, but in 8th, I dunno.
Idea is that they've got some of the features of the old Iron Hands Terminator sarges, but with a distinctly Dusk Phantoms feel.

Oh, I figured you were going for an oblique Gears of War reference.

Who made/updates that?

Oh no, I just used the word Lambent because it sounded like something a planet would be called in 40k. All of Mot's lieutenants have names that are references to both 1910s captains of industry and Phoenician gods.

Krees did, I think, but hasn't been updated since he started his hardcore job hunt

They are the polar opposites to the Silver Blades Dreads.

Tell you after diner

The Silver Blades Dreadnoughts

The Blades have a certain strange tradition: They usually prefer to be interred in a Dreadnought than to be "fixed" with cyber augmentes and such after crippling damage to theit bodies. All this, because they need their Dreadnoughts. They have been taught the importance of a Dreadnought for the Silver Blades, not just as a mean of preserving a fallen hero, but to ensure the tactical versatility needed by the Legion at the front line. That's one of the reasons the Blades have such amount of Dreadnoughts, close to the amount of Dreadnoughts used by the Chosen of Hecate, but less honorific. Just practical.

But if a Battle—Brother is crippled and there are no Dreadnoughts available, he will be augmented to recover his combat readiness.

Something that people outside the Legion often forgets is that the Blades also get fallen heroes interred in Dreadnoughts, but these are given more traditional and venerable machines, like the Leviathans and the Comptemptors.

Also, aside from this explanation, do you think that a "temporal Dreadnought" system could work? I mean, if the Battle—Brother has received considerable damage, but is still able to survive by himself, he could use the Dreadnought as a Noble uses an Imperial Knight. The hardwiring would be temporal, and removable, just like the one in the Throne Mechanicus. Thoughts?

....so basically Meat Batteries. At that point if they could still survive without being interred they'd be given bionics until they could fight on their own. Dreadnoughts don't grow on trees after all.

Before I forget I should just post all of this at once.

>What does your Primarch do after joining the crusade

Once the initial shakedown of the legion is complete, Piter would go on to secure the local systems surrounding Ussar. From this stable position, known by M41 as the “Ussar Protectorate”, Piter would go on to expand out into Segmentum Ultima backed by regiments of Ussaran Guardsmen. Though slower perhaps than his other brothers, Piter created stability on the worlds he claimed for the Emperor.

>Did your Primarch attend Nikea and how did he respond in the aftermath:

While Piter himself did not attend Nikea in his stead he sent Joseph Gorbev, Considered to be the right hand of The Hammer. It was a well documented fact that the Lord of Ussar was paranoid about psykers, and it came as no surprise when Joseph stood against the use of Psykers.

>What does your Primarch do at the beginning of Ullanor:

While Piter is himself was not present, he did send the more combat experienced half of his legion to the crusade while he continued to take worlds in the east. While this may have been an error through the eyes of remembrancers at the time, it did also succeed in bringing the “reserve” legion up to snuff.

>How does your Primarch respond to the Emperors injury:

While not a religious man, Piter has all fighting in the East halted for twenty-one days, allowing his Gene-Sons to mourn as well as the people of the Imperium within his sphere of control. The Iron Bear himself would return to Terra itself in hopes of seeing his Father one last time. It would also settle a deep hatred of Orks for millennia to come.

>How does your Primarch view the censure of Pacha and then Lambach:

Piter does not find it at all surprising, as his own fears of his two brothers prolific use of Psykers and their inhuman powers.

> How does our Primarch respond to the Separatist movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:

Having been to Terra to see his father interned he witnessed the beginning of the fervent worship of the “God-Emperor”, Piter found what was happening to the heart of the Imperium to be a disgrace to all his Father wished and it is said he swore at the throne itself to “Fix” the imperium. When the call came for a separation from the Administratum and Ecclesiarchy, he was happy to accept. Though he would never admit it to his sons or many of his brothers, such a conflict broke his heart, having to fight his brothers and their sons.

> How does our Primarch respond to the Chaos movement against the throne / what are their reasons for doing so:

Seeing yet more of my brothers fall to the call of Chaos he would have no remorse. Wherever they could be found there would be no mercy, no respite.

>What happens to your Primarch / Legion after the last siege of Terra:

Piter would go on to form an “Ussaran League” consisting of the worlds who he had both settled and worlds that had sworn themselves to his Legion. While he continued to slowly withdraw from the “Imperium Secundus” as a whole, he would continue to work with his Brother Primarchs as well as the successors of his fallen brothers.

Well, if the Mechanicum says so...

The Ecclesiarchy, and religion in general, don't happen until the end of the Heresy though. So that can't really be the reason Piter goes with them.

Bump

this miniature looks like a piece of dump.

literally sucks ass.

Here's my understanding of how things go down so far:
1. Primarchs are all found and there is the great crusade era where everything seems to be going well.
2. Just before Ullanor there is a Nikea event which bans the use of Psykers, several Primarchs are upset.
3. Ullanor campaign, much larger than OU. Big E plans to retire afterwards but only Malcador knows this. He is planning on making Je'she, Marduk or Frederick warmaster but isn't sure which one yet so he splits the Ullanor group into 4 prongs with himself leading 1 and each potential candidate leading another, base on their performance at Ullanor he will pick a warmaster.
Kane lets the Emperor bite it, then after a small confrontation with Raj he leaves. This leaves the question of who is in charge. Malcador decides to leave Je'she, Marduk and Frederick as all warmasters in an attempt to balance power out. This very quickly dissolves into a pissing contest as to who should actually be in charge.
4. Marduk places censure on Pacha for using his powers after the Emperor goes down. It is meant to be solved peacefully by Isheko but something goes horribly wrong.
Malcador sense Lambach has done something really bad through a warp echo and after the shit storm with Pacha and Isheko another bloodbath is seen as wanting to be avoided.
Je'she is Lambachs friend but doesn't want to be seen as showing favoritism because of his new role as a leader so asks Raj and Linares to bring Lambach in because they are his friends and it is hoped that he will listen to them. Things go badly.

5. Tensions are rising between the Separatists supporters and the Imperials (for reasons to be discussed still). Malcador in an attempt to broker a peace decides to travel with Je'she to a neutral planet and broker an agreement with Fredricks camp that will see them all reunited to the same cause. Marduk is already planning his chaos rebellion and can't afford for these peace negotiations to go down. So he or one of his supporting Primarchs has Malcador assassinated on this neutral planet and makes it look to each side as if the other were to blame. This results in open conflict between Seps and Imperials, leading to the first actual installment of the brother war. Malcadors death allows for the chaos ruinstorm to run rampant. Effectively separating the Imperials and Separatists after the conflict.
6. Marduk, using the trust gained from being so helpful with the Malcador fiasco manages to launch a chaos born assault on Terra itself, which ultimately fails when the Chaos forces start fighting each other. Raj and maybe Marduk die in this siege, Kane is banished to the warp and Linares, filled with rage follows.
7. Yochins cult starts to take root in the Imperial camp and they slowly start turning into a religious group so that by the time the ruinstorm ends and the Separatists meet back up they barely recognise what the Imperium has become and are disgusted.
What does everyone think so far? Any objections?

Works for me. Using Malcador as a sacrifice to fuel the Ruinstorm is an interesting idea. I like it better than God #5 somehow being responsible for it, personally.

>3. Ullanor campaign, much larger than OU. Big E plans to retire afterwards but only Malcador knows this. He is planning on making Je'she, Marduk or Frederick warmaster but isn't sure which one yet so he splits the Ullanor group into 4 prongs with himself leading 1 and each potential candidate leading another, base on their performance at Ullanor he will pick a warmaster.
Why is he leading a prong?

So that he is on the field to get raxxed by Thundacok the ork warboss.

Works for me too.

We have only changed that Kane leaves. He lies and says that Big E jumped in front of him to save him from the ork ( maybe THAT is not a lie, but he left out, that he didn't repay rhe dept by helping the emp who is strangled to death....heheh).

He lives with the lie, knowing he is the villain and somehow Marduk knows it and uses this knowledge to his advantage to pull Kane to his side.

Why not? In OU he was leading all the time. Maybe it would have looked atrange if he stayed back at the time.

I've been wondering, what motivation does Kane have to just leave the Emperor like that? Does he hate him for some reason? If not, it'd be better to just have some extenuating circumstance that prevents him from interfering. I'm pretty sure even Angron would have jumped to the Emperor's aid had he been there, and we all know how he feels about emps.

He wanted to be Warmaster so bad, that when Empy told him to stay back, he couldn't help it. He saw the Thundacok attack as the chance to get revenge, and he didn't did shit.

Exactly. We worked it out in the chat the night before yesterday.

Kane as one of the first found didn't understand that he was not in charge of a speartip, that although he has broight many more worlds to submission than his chosen brothers he was not chosen. So he complained. And first the emps said he wanted him at his side but as kane did not stop complaining he told him the truth emperor style. He brushed him off. Shortly before the battle he told kane that he is not fit for comman. That he is not respected by his brothers etc. Kanes self image gets damaged and totally crumbles when he stood back. ( short version and yes...he was conflicted by this decision)

Screwing around with battles for the brotherwar
>Assault on Death's Heads Muster World
The mission is quite literally insane. The Death's Heads are obsessive about security. However, Gyahdred has calculated that they are too dangerous to leave intact and that the best place to hit them is at that muster world.

He infintrates Nosferatii Cold Ships into the system over a few weeks and they take position. Simultaneously, I'm thinking Nosferatii infiltrate the muster world on board transport ships. I'm thinking they get in position to spike generators and that sort of thing, sneak aboard as many ships as is not wanky.

They set off a beacon in system a few moments before the assault and it provides Gyahdred's fleet in the warp with coordinates. Safties disengaged, the entire fleet translates from warp inside the orbit of the muster world's moon.
The spiked reactors blow and create havoc in orbit. There's some squadrons on alert, as per protocol, but most of the Death's Heads ships are sitting at anchor, reactors cold, for maintenance, etc. It takes time to get them up and running--they'd been counting on the days that it normally takes to get from Mandeville point to planet.
They purge the site from orbit and then get out of there before Einchurt can rally. (And they're trying to avoid a lengthy siege, which is what it would become. Death's Heads don't give up.)
This shatters and scatters the legion.

Thoughts?

Looks good to me.

They could be developments of similar technology to The Revenants. Perhaps Gyahdred gets his hands on a partial STC for the Centurion Suits, looks at it, says "that's dumb", and makes his little horrors. Most of the other legions are "No thanks, breh", but Linares sees something workable and asks Gyahdred to do him up a custom version. Happy that senpai noticed him, Gyahdred does just that.

I like it, let's do it.

Like I said earlier in the thread:
1. Hashut does not become 'the fifth god', he ascends from Greater Daemonhood into Lesser Godhood.
2. Hashut's ascension is not responsible for the Ruinstorm, it extends the Ruinstorm significantly, which serves the narrative purpose of giving the Imperium time to become the theocratic superstate the Seperatists despise.

The Emperor often lead campaigns during the Great Crusade, including Ullanor. I don't see what the problem with that could be.

Perhaps we should document that properly, but we reached a logical explanation.

I'm pretty sure its impossible, or insanely dangerous atleast, to translate into realspace in the gravity well of a planet of moon.

Ok, so, I checked, yeah, its pretty much impossible to accurately jump directly into a star system. The gravity fields throw off the warp-jump massively.

The move the Sons of Horus pull during the assault on Molech seems right for the Dusk Phantoms. They just point their fleet in the right direction and then turn off all systems, making them invisible to any sort of scan. Then they board the enemy ships. They call the strategy "tomb ships".