/nwg/ - Naval Wargames General

Big cat edition.

Talk about botes, bote based wargaming and RPGs, and maybe even a certain bote based vidya that tickles our autism in just the right way.

Games, Ospreys and References (Courtesy of /hwg/)
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Rule the Waves
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Tiger really was far and away the best BC at Jutland, shame she was scrapped in the 20s and never saw any WW2 service.

>shame she was scrapped in the 20s and never saw any WW2 service

I dunno about that. Modernized BCs did not fair well - Hood and Repulse were both sunk and their foreign counterparts the Kongos didn't do much better.

Just about any ship would've been sunk in Repulse/PoWs place/s, they were a victim of poor decision making more than their own design, and Hood was A) not really a BC B) Used improperly if considered one and C) Very unlucky.

The biggest problem with Hood was that she was never given a proper refit because of her status as Britain's shipfu.

But that's the thing, if they had kept and refitted the Tiger she'd have ended up used as a BB and suffered accordingly - though we can always imagine her cornering the Graf Spee in SA instead.

Nah, she'd likely have been used like Renown, who gave stellar service during the war.

Say whatever you say about Brits but unlike nips they never really developed delusions about their old refitted battlecruisers now being battleships.

They learned that lesson the hard way.

One would think that Hiei getting crippled by treaty cruisers and Kirishima turning into barely floating wreck after a short exchange of fire with Washington would had been enough to drive in that lesson.

Hiei was in a point blank blast-out, but with Guadacanal campaign it all comes down to fuel use and (for the japs) getting out of the air umbrella before daybreak. It was the Kongo class's moment to shine.

Hiei basically had destroyers on top of her, as in so close she couldn't depress her secondary armament to fire back. And even then it took sustained bomber attack until 5:45 the next evening to force Admiral Abe to abandon ship. Kirishima was pummeled by shells much more substantial than she was ever designed to face and took them from inside 6k yards, with six of those going under her belt. Counterflooding settled her and exposed breached sections above the waterline to seawater ingress, causing her to roll over.

The "lessons" are that night-fighting at close range is messy, damage control is complicated, and ground-based air assets are dangerous. Not that the Kongo class were inherently poor ships.

>Not that the Kongo class were inherently poor ships.

That would depend on whether you wanna rate them as battlecruisers or battleships; as battlecruisers they're decent, as battleships their only good point was their speed.

If South Dakota hadn't been there with her life-partner Washington, what everybody would be saying today is how an old and reliable design optimized towards a single specific roll will outperform a new and more ostensibly more capable generalist in its specialty.

And if Bismarck's shells would had landed couple meters to different direction people today wouldn't view her as an unholy love child of iowa and Hotel.

"Couldn't beat *two* ships it had no business trying to take solo" is a more respectable counterfactual, user.

The IJN was facing two main problems: Kirishima was hitting high when the Type 91 was designed to take advantage of shorts, and she was outnumbered at close range. Even had Washington not snuck in close that exchange would've been disappointing for Kirishima.

The main takeaway for the USN was fuck son, electronics are important.

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So which Queen is that?

Can we talk about things before 1914 for once? Like Trafalgar or Lepanto or something?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_5_October_1804
One of my favorite small actions. Equal forces, having a straight up fight.

Also, possibly a ficticious junior captain fighting nearby, saving the day, and not getting credit.

Plus the entire hilarity that the prize money system represented, and the legal sleight of hand the Government pulled to not pay the captains and crews.

I would but honestly my knowledge of Age of Sail naval warfare is severely lacking compared to my 1900-45 knowledge.

Pleb desu

Watched De Ruyter/Admiral last year, and since I've been itching to get into Dutch-Anglo wars. I'd also enjoy playing a privateer/pirate/merchant campaign game. Reading Heart of Oak rule set. Beyond that, I can't talk much.

Hood had a decorated war record.

Repulse dodged a shit ton of air attacks, no other ship at the time could have done better.

Indeed, Tiger should have been retained instead of Iron Duke. Now *that* was an obsolete ship.

Battle of Lissa was interesting.

>Battle of Lissa was interesting.

Great choice. The incompetence exhibited by the Italians in the battle was notable even for them. Half the Italian fleet didn't even engage and the crew of the Ancona fired entire broadsides in which they loaded powder BUT NOT SHOT.

>Equal forces, having a straight up fight.

The numbers were the only thing that was equal there.

Spanish ships?
Burdened with loot?
4 on 4?

Yeah, no.
More like 4 on 1.

>Half the Italian fleet didn't even engage

To be fair, that might have been honest intra-service malice, not incompetence.


I like that it occurred in one of those eras where nobody was really sure what worked, much less how.

LMAO

>To be fair, that might have been honest intra-service malice, not incompetence.

Using intra-service malice as an excuse not to engage the enemy in a battle occurring right in front of you IS incompetence.

>I like that it occurred in one of those eras where nobody was really sure what worked, much less how.

While everyone was groping for proper doctrine, that didn't stop the Austrians from pushing Italy's shit in.

Not to mention Washington just had the devil's own luck in combat. She was never damaged by enemy action. Not once.

what the fuck is this and what is the name of he who deserves to die for it

Designed by russians in 2017, it's a fast battleship designed to go back in time to win Operation Unthinkable for the UK, surely.

>not hms incomparable

You had one job, Ivan.

The name ship herself if I remember correctly.

A post-war fast battleship with great war guns and a displacement 8k tonnes short the Hotel.
HISTORICAL DATA MY FOOT

>expecting historical accuracy out of arcade game about glorious soviet paperships forged out of pure stalinium

glorious expansion engines with coal-fired boilers

oil is for plebs and reprobates

>oil is for plebs and reprobates


So are engines.

>cannons
>not ramming your foe firmly from behind using your rock-hard forward projection

>So are engines.

My close comrade of nubian descent.


If you're in to Age of Sail stuff, did you happen to catch the /hwg/ community project a few months back? The challenge was to paint up minis representing a scene from a work of historical fiction.

One of our occasional (not shit) namefags, NEA, did a Connie vs Java diorama, as it appeared in one of the Jack Aubrey novels. He even pulled up the actual battle tracks and corrected the sail and penant positions for the wind described in the logs.

>AoS doesn't get enough love in naval wargaming circles
>lots more interesting than, "detect enemy, sail oppposite direction to open range, launch planes/missiles backwards until you or enemy is dead."

My nigga

AoS is the patrician choice of naval combat eras.

Again fellow negroes, Battle of Lissa. You would not believe that shit.

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I know, Austrians. *I know*. But it probably really was that awesome.

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I love gaming that war. While everyone fixates on Bismarck, Moltke, & Co. schooling the A-H Empire at Sadowa, meanwhile the Prussians aren't doing too well in western Germany and the A-H are pimp slapping Italy.

The Adriatic is a fun naval wargame theater up through WW1.

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Wee Vee a cute.

Thanks for the filename user, I almost didn't recognise her not on her side exploding.

youtube.com/watch?v=o3E80CRKcPg
HMS Rodney shelling the island I grew up on.

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Hell yes.

Nice. Have some porn involving fire control computers for your trouble.

youtube.com/watch?v=FdZZuteFZfo

>leave the destroyer to me

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Thanks for that link.

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That this arouses me probably does not bode well.

Noise

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Anybody got some sweet New York-class pics?

Don't worry about it user. I think botes are pretty neat, but it's really thinking about all the systems inside them that keeps me up at night.

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Much thanks!

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Looks like an upgunned Vanguard, which was on the table for Vanguard. 8x18 was considered for the Lion, but the weight savings and near complete 16 inch mount meant Lion went with 9x16. Vanguard was fitted out with spare turrets (15 inch) since the brits had so many, it made economical sense rather then scrap the hull, or design a new turret.

I still hate Warships and Wargaming though.

Vanguard was a really nice ship design. Has the double-smokestack middle profile which I also love on the Iowa, with the classy old-school four-turret arrangement.

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>more jacking off to lifeless grey mechanical shitpiles

Oak and sail forever you disgusting fuckers

you sound like you miss scurvy

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Anyone got that pastebin for unlocking all techs in RtW?

Vanguard sacrificed some armor though, 14 inch belt vs the 15 on the KGV.

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How decent this design is for 1913?
>5 inch deck is mostly to ensue that it will be at least somewhat future proof

more speed less armor

I like my battle cruisers to be speedy glass cannons not proto-fast battleships

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That's what you get for sinking my minelayer with mines, Rooskies.

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what ship is this?

She's French, but what's her name?

USS California following her post-Pearl Harbor rebuild.
Armored frigate Colbert.

USS California, BB-44.