If Orks are genetically engineered for war, why are they consistently BTFO?

>bigger, tougher and stronger than a human
>bring own ecosystem and industry with them, solving all logistical problems
>fastest multiplying race after tyranids
>bred specifically for war
>thrive on war in a universe full of it
>consistently BTFO by forces way smaller than them

Why is this? Orks constantly lose to even Guardsmen while outnumbering them hundreds of times over, and I'm pretty sure they're the only race to lose to an outnumbered tyranid army. If Orks were made for war, why are they so shit at it?

Their enemies will occasionally deploy barbed wire.

Because they were engineered for a specific type of war that they lost considering Necrons are still around.

Because they're designed for a war in which they had allies, so were supposedly filling a niche of war while other vital areas were being covered by the Slaan, the Eldar and the Hrud. Not to mention they're pretty decent at war biologically, all things considered, absolutely nobody but Tyranids could build up a military force from complete scratch like they could, it's just everyone else already has their military network set up.

Because Orks aren't really in fights to win. Orks fight because that's all they know how to do.
Fightin'>winnin' even if they lose they still win because they fought something. So in a sense Orks win every fight they enter

>Orks
>BTFO
Wat. Orkish spores are infestants, they KEEP ON MAKING WAR even after their enemies are convinced they've won. You gotta glass a planet to get rid of them, and that's a draw at best. Nids can win against them, because destroying 100% of the planet is how they win, but who else?

>npcs jobbing to man
As expected

Damn you, I actually laughed at this.

Orks aren't engineered to win war.

They're just engineered to go to war.

If they won, the war would end. They don't want that.

>no mention of brainboyz

Orks are basically going to war being led by their sergeants. They have no generals.

The Brainboyz are extinct.

WARNING headcannon WARNING

The Brainboyz in my opinion were the Slann/Old Ones, and without their guidance Orks just cannot fight at their fullest potential.

Jus' needz a bigger Warboss. Bigger than the Beast.

It's Snotlings

This is the most accurate

The Orks have devolved from Krorks which were more powerful and vastly smarter.

Once they fully re-evolve to Kroks they should be nigh-unbeatable.

That's what happend with the Beast and they still got crushed.
The Beast novels discredited Orks as a serious threat. They are a nuisance most of the time and an inconvenience at worst.

They didn't fully evolve and the pariah trick was cheating.

They got 'crushed' after doing more damage than every other foe the Imperium has ever had in a remarkably short period of time, and only because the writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to pull some serious bullshit to justify their defeat.

If they didn't manage to fully evolve this time, they'll never do it.

Shitty writing is par for the course in 40k, the point still stands: The Orks have mustered all they had, they were as dangerous as they could ever become and the Imperiums counterattack dismantled them so hard they lost their homeworld. They aren't ever going to become more dangerous than under the Beast.

Speaking of the Orks creation...
Has there been any canon info on what planet the Old ones originally planted the Orks/Krorks on?
cause i have a headcanon that is might have been Ullanor/Armageddon considering how the Orks seem almost drawn there

Orks don't fight to win, they fight to fight. Fighting is their life aim, not winning. When they die, that's when they spore and reproduce, creating more orks to carry on the fighting. Humies only get to reproduce if they win, so are fixated on winning.

First post, best post.

>"Orks nevuh loose, because if we'z krumped 'em we win, but if we'z loose we can always come back for 'anuvah go, see?"