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What's the worst, most underhanded trap a DM has ever laid out in front of you? Did you fall for it? Did you survive?

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A bear trap laid by a dumbduck goblin that had a DC of 32 because "the goblin rolled well". At level 1 mind you because I do love going on a stroll through Rusty Shank Town.

Since the topic was brought up, I might as well ask: what specific outsider species? would be nice to base a tiefling PC off of once you pick their bloodline?

Tell me about the last time you played a character from the frigid expanse of the Avistani North, piggies! Raid any settlements? Have to pay weregild? Smooch a Huldra?

Speaking of traps, why aren't you apping as one to PLD?

>I'm going to have this evil demon god present you with the soul of a god who is supposed to be dead
>party is two paladins and a righteous crusader for good
>why did you attack the clearly more powerful than you demon god, you idiots?
GEE, I FUCKING WONDER.

PLD is too lewd for me.

Because I'm not a fucking faggot, you fucking faggot

I'm playing an Ulfen sailor. Hes a pure STRENGTH build. He ended up in the body of a Sargavan mercenary though- and inherited the accent.

Does Allfood satisfy water requirements?

Because I prefer to play reverse traps.

It provides sustenance, would you count water as sustenance?

Shame, it's mostly a good fantasy romp!

Does it count if the ulfen I am playing is from Varisia, is nothing like an ulfen, was raised by Varisians, is still a skald, but also doesn't like being called an ulfen because of who raised her?

That's the question innit

Maybe I will. Gimme a link.

Vaguely relatedly, is it actually worth it at this point to add another app to the Ensoulment pile, or should I save my energy for RotW? And anything I should know that's not listed on their roll20s?

What was the ultimate trap for low level PCs /pfg/ came up with a while ago? Animated armor inside an opened mimic chest that was enveloped by an invisible gelatinous cube?

Yeah, so I guess Allfood and 8 hours of sleep are all that's needed in a traveller's life. That said, I'm trying to figure out what classes can access the Ranger spell list, aside from Ranger and Hunter.

>Smooching a huldra

I bet you'd even kiss a Tian fox.

Mmmmmmmaybe? If she doesn't act like an Ulfen and wasn't raised by Ulfens, does she at least look like an Ulfen?

I believe in being professional with my games, and prefer to keep my fetishes out of my tabletop.

People forget gelatinous cubes are naturally unseen because of all the pictures. Gelatinous cubes count as invisible because they are transparent.

So the Succubed was transparent?

app.roll20.net/forum/post/5126499/round-2-dot-dot-dot-3

Try not to listen to the threads opinion on Vult.

She wasn't pure bred, so no.

Also she had aegis levels for proper mattress coating in bed form, and skintight suit in humanoid form.

>Thursdays

Nuts.

Because TRAPS ARE GAY

I want to purebred the succubed.

She isn't a blonde and she is short, but other than that unmistakably ulfen.

Uses the spoilered picture with small alterations, which were destroyed with my old computer, here's hoping nobody from my group recognizes it.

>try to convert blaspheme from 3.5
>can't take toughness more than once
>hit die for undead is a d8
>cha mod to hit points
>creature ends up with less hp
>but muh feats

Fuck this shit, why the fuck did they have to reduce the hit die for undead? Fucking stupid bullshit. They are undead they are tough as fuck. Now this guy is going to get BTFO by my party in 2 rounds unless I arbitrarily increase his Charisma for no reason.

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Your Ulfen girl was a NERD!

NERD!

Most undead have pretty high charisma, so they're actually tougher than they were in 3.5 even with the lower hit die.

>piep piep sla
Literally who?

Because the hitdie numbers for undead were arbitrary as fuck and completely shat on the CR system?
And why are you, the DM, choosing to tie yourself down to mechanics when you are already doing a conversion?

>Women, while a lot more influential than in later christian cultures, were firmly expected to stay out of the men's business of raiding, exploration and trade; they had the responsibility of economics and stewardship over the realm, and the wife of a ruling lord would generally go into regency mode when her husband was away on viking duties. They were also a last line of defense, but not one at all often used.
Let's also be clear that as much as women were expected to stay the fuck away from men's business, men were expected to stay the fuck away from women's business. Gender roles were strong and strictly enforced, to the point where accusing a man of being womanly could be considered a mortal insult, and if taken seriously, was grounds to actually battle to the death or either the accuser or the accused being fucking *banished* depending on the verdict.

Yes, if someone called you a sissy girl in a manner that could be taken as a proper insult or accusation, you could challenge them to potential death in holmgång or demand restitution. If you were found innocent of being a whiny bitch, the accuser could be fined, maimed, or exiled, for bearing false witness.

And if you were in fact a little bitch, and you didn't challenge the accusation (again, if it was meant seriously), it could be taken as tacit acceptance of the accusation as true, and if you did challenge it and was found guilty, and the accusation thus true, you could be marked and exiled for the crime of being a cumdumpster.

So it went both ways. I don't think the treatment of women that acted manly was *quite* as harsh, because "they were still women", but they were likely cast out and not considered proper mates or potential waifus.

Not to mention that non-templated undead tend to have a lot of HD for their CR.

That happens when the games already running and just needs to shore up a slot

You could app just for side lewds though

>And why are you, the DM, choosing to tie yourself down to mechanics when you are already doing a conversion?

Because the two systems are supposed to be compatible you stupid fuck.

>Because the hitdie numbers for undead were arbitrary as fuck and completely shat on the CR system?
>creature type renowned for its resilience shouldn't be tough

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And actively continues to be a nerd, but still has more charisma than your average seducer fey.

AAAAAAAAAA

You know, you could just set its HP to whatever you want it to be, being the GM and all.

>but they were likely cast out and not considered proper mates or potential waifus.

In this regard, it's worth mentioning that the Ulfen (whether due to a stroke of reason or being written in the early days of Golarion) actually have noticeable gender roles within their society.

>The role an Ulfen is expected to fill depends on his or her gender, though the majority of Ulfen are farmers, trappers, fishermen, or labourers. Male Ulfen are most likely to become rangers or priests of deities like Torag, Erastil, or Gorum. Druids of Desna are also common. Women are often priestesses of Desna or Torag. A small amount of women also become Wind Sisters, Ulfen maidens who have tamed an aerial mount and use it to fly from isolated settlement to isolated settlement. They also form the first line of defence against aerial threats.

To be fair though, undead ARE still tough as fuck. Skeletons have fucking Damage Resistance as a CR 1/3 creature, your level 1 barb with a greataxe literally can't kill him in one hit all the time, and Undead Immunities make them annoying as fuck to deal with.

>kohai
What if
Guys
What if the
Now hear me out here
What if the reason you don't get noticed by your senpai and PM'd...
...Is that you're the senpai they're waiting to get PM'd by?

GUYS HELP, THE PATHFINDERWIKI IS TOO FAST NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THIS READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION.

HIGH SPEED PATHFINDER INFORMATION DELIVERY STRAIGHT INTO YOUR EYEHOLES

Stop. Take a deep breath. Remember that Golarion is shit.

There, that should help.

Golarion may be a shit, but it's a shit with tons and tons of online information and lore.

>but still has more charisma than your average seducer fey.

>You will never relentlessly bully the charismatic Ulfen dork
>You will never hold her books above her head and pull them out of reach when she jumps for them
>You will never scoop her up and put her on a high shelf and make her ask for help getting down

>And why are you, the DM, choosing to tie yourself down to mechanics when you are already doing a conversion?

I never understood DM:s that do this shit. As a DM, the stats are literally what you say they are, at any one time. As far as I'm concerned, they're there as reference material, and even rolling is just there to help you arbitrate events in a way that comes across as fair for all involved.

If it doesn't fit, just change it. The idea that the players should be able to look a monster up and be like "Oh, yeah, it's got 12hp!" is completely alien to me, but I also come from playing very different games to DnD/Pathfinder/d20. If anything, I *want* the players/heroes to feel "Oh my fucking god why won't it just DIE?!".

>TFW you will never try to find the slightest bit of beauty while celebrating Crystalhue in the stinking depths of the Worldwound

UNF

I don't see the point to using the bestiary as a hard rule desu. If I want to give my fucking skeletons better AC because dam they be Nimble Bones then why shouldn't I?

>Remember that Golarion is shit.
It really annoys me that Golarion is a kitchen sink of shit, because there's just mountains upon mountains of shit and all the books and content assumes Golarion.

I want to play Pathfinder, but I'm not creative or secure enough (having never played) to make my own setting, and if I play in someone elses setting I know it's just going to be shit with shit exposition and without readily available information.

They should've made something more interesting and less of a kitchen sink, with greater degrees of historicity and verisimilitude. I feel like it originally started out pretty well, but then just "Oh, yeah, this country is the undead country, and this here is the not!America, and this here is the not!Future country, and this is.. uhm.. what was the next checkbox?"

What worries me is that I might get spoiled on AP-relevant info.

>and if I play in someone elses setting I know it's just going to be shit with shit exposition and without readily available information.
>literally everyone is bad at settings
This is some Startoad level of shittery.

She's also a sphere singer, so she'll just fly if you try to bully her.

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>creature type renowned for its resilience shouldn't be tough
>he is ignoring how undead inflated hitdie meant they were stronger, fought better, had higher resistances, and were incredibly more dangerous than their CR implies unless you have a silver bullet

>They should've made something more interesting and less of a kitchen sink, with greater degrees of historicity and verisimilitude

I want this meme to leave, the coherency of the setting is actually quite stable. There aren't verisimilitude-breaking changes between the Land of the Linnorm Kings and Realm of the Mammoth Lords, for example, and even something like Numeria compared to Mendev makes sense when you consider the circumstances of Numeria's technology.

Pathfinder wiki is pretty good at not giving away too much in the way of AP spoilers. Golariopedia is much worse about that.

Can her flying support the weight of two people?

Reminder to hug your friends

Exactly. You really don't need another reason than "This is a particularly nimble skeleton. He backflips and uses Dex to attack and is hard to hit". I realize the developers might want to be more thorough, to allow players to reasonably extrapolate on the foundations of enemies, but really, from a gameplay perspective, ditching all their feats and such and just give the bare stats and a line of relevant special abilities and an example of use is actually a lot more helpful.

It's not relevant that Skeletons have Improved Initiative. It's only relevant that they have +4 Initiative, and if I want to, that's +5 or +6 or +7 Initiative, regardless of what the statline says and regardless of whether there's a feat for that or not.

>This is some Startoad level of shittery.
Especially when it comes from somebody who has never played pathfinder in their lives.

Exactly this. It may be a kitchen sink, but it's actually quite self-consistent and it's trivial to ignore the things you don't like by not going to those countries.

Oh nice, is that a PDF of First Contact?

Cashmere needs hugs!

Cashmere needs to be bullied with hugs!

LoBaF tomorrow. Are they gonna manage to finish book 1 before any other /pgg/ campaign.

If the other person only weighs about 160lbs then yes. Anything more and she can't lift off. But even then for about a minute or so before she is exhausted.

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It's worth mentioning too that the biggest problem nation in the setting for verisimilitude, Alkenstar, is notable for being in a dead-magic zone and surrounded by incredibly academic nations flush with learning.

Yup.

I heard there were feats or something that gave you full spellcasting progression for a PrC that doesn't normally doesn't give full progression. Is this true?

I've seen porn of this!

Yes, it was leaked in one of the earlier threads.

No

>I want this meme to leave
It's not a meme. The world is very much a kitchen-sink of checked boxes, with clearly defined borders and neat, ordered concepts, with the appropriate term used consistently for searchability (and potential copyrighting, I guess).

It's just not believable, especially in terms of historicity. The real world was never this neat, the politics ever this clean. We want it to be, but above an elementary school level, it's a fucking mess, and it always was.

Is it just me, or does it feel like Druma would make more sense as an absurdly wealthy commerce-state if it had direct access to the Inner Sea?

>Golariopedia is much worse about that.
Golariopedia is complete shit, though. I always feel sorry for it, every time I accidentally go there.

Cashmere is slender, she'll get bruised easily from a careless hug!

She needs regular bullying, in the bedroom

Yes. They are Favored Prestige Class which is the prerequisite for the Prestigious Caster. The former has to applied before taking the class, but latter applies retroactively so if you are feat starved early you can just take it later.

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>It's just not believable, especially in terms of historicity.

Agree to disagree, then. It's difficult to just disprove your statement with a broad strokes response about "Taldan Empire" this or "Cheliax" that, but if you pointed at your personal problem nations I'd wager there's a solid chance I could explain away your issues.

Playtests pastebin should really be updated with the Highlord and Mystic playtests.

I will. They're all I've got!

>tfw Cashmere's first kiss just got stolen

BIG SLUT WON'T STOP

>Agree to disagree,
Not him, but everyone who uses this statement should be given to the yardarm. All it does is act as a shield for people who refuse to justify their position and merely breeds ignorance.

Gloriana pls

Is Rory X Gloriana a valid ship?

Its canon as far as I'm concerned.

Stop teasing them, next they'll ask what she's sitting on as she gets her face pressed between your breasts.

>This is some Startoad level of shittery.
>Startoad
Who? Seriously, what's with the massive amounts of namefaggotry and personalized posturing in these fucking threads? I've never experienced anything like it on Veeky Forums before and it's fucking cancer.

But anyway, I'm not saying literally everyone is shit at settings, I'm saying that that's usually how it is and it's a reasonable default position, because 9 times out of 10, it's fucking true.

But more importantly and more to my point is the matter of accessibility. When I make characters, I almost always pore over tons of background material and make a character that fits into the setting, take factions into account, have related motivations and a background that relates to it in a relevant way.

That's not easy when 95% of the setting is going to be in a single megafile word document (if the GM is an aspiring writefag, which is in itself always a massive red flag) or entirely in the head of the GM; even a thorough interrogation of the GM is only going to scratch the surface, and is going to leave out all the stuff I forget to ask about or entails things that he may never have thought about himself, and it completely excludes the chance of simply being inspired by some snippet somewhere that makes me decide "Yes, that village, that's where I'm from."

And you want a map? Fuck you, here's a crudely drawn continent made on a tissue based on a particularily jagged booger the GM found last week.

Good world-building with professional levels of content and related pieces are extremely few and far between. I daresay I've never even seen it, outside of - obviously - professional creations such as Golarion, as much as I'm not a fan.

Starfinder Stuff:

Get your copy of First Contact, courtesy of Reddit
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Starfinder News: paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljwd&page=3?Bringing-Out-the-Big-Guns-in-Starfinder#106

A summary for everyone else:

Longgun Weapons can end up dealing at least 7d8 base damage before any modifiers or enchantments.

Baked in damage boost tied to character level.

Lack of iteratives (which is alright with me given the above two points) makes chasing accuracy bonuses far less important

Finesse weapons are now "operative weapons" and the feat tax on them is gone.

Weapon enchantments, now called fusions, can be swapped between weapons freely.

The holy fusion overcomes energy resistance of some evil things

Weapon focus now applies broadly

Weapon levels sound really cool

Crits double all damage, and they are very emphatic on the "all" part

Soldiers are the only ones with inherent access to the full-Level-to-Damage boost weapons

Crits don't need confirmations anymore, but if you only hit on a nat 20 you don't get a crit

Inappropriately sized weapons inflict a -4 penalty to attack but don't change damage

Melee weapon handedness doesn't change the Strength bonus

Many weapons have crit riding effect, most common of which are burn, corrode, knockdown, deafen, staggered, bleed, and wound. There are a few others

Armor bonuses scale with equipment level, as does how long you can survive in a vacuum with that armor

There's a 12d10 slashing damage sword with 6d6 bleed on a crit and a 14d10 bludgeoning and fire hammer with knockdown on a crit as level 20 melee weapons. Just don't think you're going to get in close easily.

General assumption is that you can buy anything with an equipment level equaling Character Level +2

>Especially when it comes from somebody who has never played pathfinder in their lives.
>Pathfinder is the only RPG there is in the world and if you haven't played it you obviously haven't lived or have any experience with GM:s and worldbuilding whatsoever like oh my god what a poser

I want a single-shot railgun.

Please tell me Starfinder has single-shot railguns.

I want to model mine into a futuristic musket.

Reminder that DHB designed a better initiator than any DSP did in PoW:E.

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