How did Hive Fleet Leviathan Fall?

Biomass is easily destroyed. Gauss weaponry, for example, leaves little of the target's flesh remaining. Same is true for simpler flame weapons. The Hive Fleet can eat ash easier than gauss dust, but the simple fact is that 'nids lose biomass in war.

Orks, however, being warp-bound creations of the Old Ones, gain biomass THROUGH war, hence Octarius. Not to mention Ork's preferred method of killing is chopping their enemies up, which would to little to decrease biomass.

I mean, yeah they can. They can just convert a bunch of biomass into plants if they need energy.

Tyranids only need to eat in order to expand their numbers. They won't starve any more than an ecosystem could

They can't harvest a planet until they've eliminated resistance. Nids commit huge amounts of resources to planets. Presumably their ships contain huge amounts proteins and lipids, or the nid equivalent, stored during transit. These raw materials need to be committed once they arrive on a planet.

If a defending force wins, they could burn the tyranid bodies, leaving ships in orbit perhaps capable of void battle, but empty of the stored biomass that makes them so dangerous.

How tyranid hive ships behave during intergalactic travel is not something I think has ever been touched upon by GW (they honestly probably never thought about it) but my assumption was always that prior to leaving the previous galaxy they most likely melted down every non-essential organism and wmthe ships themselves would go into a dormant state with minimal metabolic activity. It's not like they need to be aware or combat ready during this time, so they may as well hibernate for the duration.

But knowing GW fluff writers this is probably not the case and they're likely fully active the whole time even though that serves no useful purpose.

>Tyranids only need to eat in order to expand their numbers. They won't starve any more than an ecosystem could

this is stupid as fuck

they fly massive fleets through space at speeds faster than light, something that could potentially take more energy than earth's ecosystems could produce in years

Tyranids are constantly using massive amounts of energy, they need to eat to simply survive. I'm honestly not sure if you even know what entropy means if you think Tyranids only eat to expand.

While I'm sure the Nid fleets can convert light into biomass through some form of photo synthesis, it's obviously less efficient for them than eating by a huge margin, otherwise we'd see nids doing some form of solar farming, yeah?

So in other words, Leviathan, which had the rather genius strategy of, "I'mma invade this galaxy from beneath and hit 'em all at once! They'll never see it coming!", ended up taking on the Blood Angels (who, let's be honest, were only allowed to survive because there's no way GW's going to let a founding chapter die in the actual rulebook fluff. Press F to pay respects to the OG Imperial Fists) and the Orks in Octarius/the Octarius sector, and possibly spent the last century throwing so many nids at the latter combat zone that it's starting to run out.

I mean, it did start a war with the biggest race in the galaxy in terms of sheer population/numbers. A race so widespread that, quoting the 2nd line of the Ork entry in the 8e rulebook:
>"No matter how far mankind has travelled, they have found that Orks are either already there waiting or arrive soon after to launch their characteristically crude but devastating attacks."

Certainly explains why the Swarmlord showed up (possibly again depending on how one interprets the fluff) on Octarius before the Blood Crusade showed up. Leviathan was getting stressed out that it was spending too much resources on one single planet and sent/brought Swarmy back to put an end to the matter. Which clearly didn't work, since the Orks are doing very well on Octarius.

If I were Leviathan's Norn Queen, I'd be pissed as hell at Hydra for stealing my already low resources at this point.

>they fly massive fleets through space at speeds faster than light

Which is done using the psychic powers of their weird narwhal ships to manipulate gravity. It's literally magic to allow them to function at all

I'm also not sure you understand what Biomass is. Photosynthesis doesn't create biomass. Fire doesn't destroy biomass. Animals using up energy doesnt destroy biomass.

The reason you don't see Tyranids setting up dedicated solar farms is because theyre driven to be constantly moving forward. They want to Thrive, not merely Survive.

the orks aren't just doing fine, their thriving their having the fucking time of their lives.
That inquisitor was a fucking genius

The Swarmlord probably suffer against Orks for the same reason that Necron with "hyperlogical" strategy does, orks just can't be predicted. They never act the way they're supposed to. You know they're gonna fight you, but when you expect a mob of infantry, they've cobbled toghether bikes and trukks, and when you expect the trukks, the flash gitz looted all of them for more dakka instead.

Dont have a citation for this but I read somewhere that the Tyrannids go from system to system by scewing with the reactions of stars, it involved either turning them into black holes or detonating them.

I was speaking specifically about intergalactic travel.

the Blood Angels have been canonically wiped out twice before, I don't see why they couldn't die again

because if my glorious sons of sanguinius were replaced entirely by an army of primarines I'd lose my shit

as it is we've still got the 1st, 3rd and elements of the 4th companies surviving after the guilliman ex machina, but little else besides. which kind of sucks

>Swarmlord arrives on Octaria with a nid army to put Ghazy down
>Day 1: Swarmlord leads army into batlte
>Swarmy and army are choppa'd to death by millions of Ork boyz
>Swarmlord regenerates
>Day 2: Swarmlord heads out with different army
>All the bugs get run over by millions of green-skinned Mad Max-types
>Swarmlord regenerates
>Day 4: Swarmlord heads out again with a ton of Carnifexes as back-up
>Bombed into biomass paste by Air Skwadrons of Ork fighters/ripped apart by Killa Kans/Deff Dredds
>Swarmlord regenerates
>Day 12: Swarmlord charges out with 10 Biotitans. Surely that'll do-
>Swarmlord's force gets literally flattened by huge rocks thrown down from orbiting Roks in the same manner Ghaz leveled Hades Hive five minutes after the nids leave their landing zone
>Swarmlord regenerates
>Day 18,250 (50 yrs later): Swarmy charges out with countless nid Warriors and Hive Tyrants at his back
>They drown under a tsunami of 'lotz of grotz'
>SWARMLORD REGENERATES

The problem with nids is that they're simultaneously OP compared to the other factions (they're pretty much the go-to "I want someone to get curb stomped and don't want to have to explain too much" enemy) and underpowered compared their fluff, which should make them almost literally unstoppable.

I read somewhere that this is partially true, the Tyranids are in hibernation while in deep space, but while they do consume most non-essential creatures before setting off on their journey, they'll still keep several creatures in hibernation for the purpose of repelling boarders and for the preliminary attacks on prey worlds.
However, they do keep Tervigons awake inside the ships during travel to repel boarders when they first enter the ship.

Yeah, if Tyranids were treated more sensibly they'd be an even bigger threat. The best way to stop them would be space warfare on the fringes of a system. Instead we get cases where the bugs breeze through several planets, growing exponentially, and then suddenly getting stopped by a single defense when logically they should be at their strongest and the enemy their weakest.

>wiped out twice before
I'm sorry, when did this happen again?
The only OG chapter I know getting wiped out wholesale is the ol' Sons of Dorn.

You know what GW are? Silver age comic book writers. I can't believe I've never seen the comparison before. They throw out ideas they think are neat, give some quasi-scientific explanation for it they don't really understand themselves, and never think through the implications of their own creations. You know, like a goofy one-off villain who could wipe out the human race with a thought but instead just makes Jimmy Olsen think he's a dog for an afternoon.

Pretty much. Necrons have finished science, and yet seem to lack technology that we or other races in the galaxy take for granted. Likewise, the Tyranids have supposedly eaten a dozen galaxies and learned every evolutionary trick in the book, and yet they're still pretty limited compared to stuff on earth

>Day 12: Swarmlord charges out with 10 Biotitans. Surely that'll do-
>Swarmlord's force gets literally flattened by huge rocks thrown down from orbiting Roks in the same manner Ghaz leveled Hades Hive five minutes after the nids leave their landing zone

I would probably just call it a day by then.

Just look at Orks themselves. They spawn in ridiculous numbers, need little or no education, but have space flight capability because reasons. Yet they get punked by marine chapters that canonically have less than 2k members total.

I'd watch that saturday morning cartoon

Leviathan "fell" as in its main thrust into the galaxy was halted. Most of the smaller tendrils survived, with some being eaten by Hydra. GW probably realized they backed themselves into a corner with the time skip because reasonably Leviathan should be everywhere by now. They had to push the tyranids back to being a "their main Army isn't even here yet!" Threat since having the majority of leviathan being there would take away from chaos.

Also, it's been too long that Leviathan have been the poster Nids, I'm ready for new hive fleets and color schemes. Hydra is likely going to be the main fleet from now on

So which was the 'main' thrust of Leviathan? The one two Baal or the one that was headed toward Terra before Kryptmann redirected it to the Ork Octarius Empire?

Because you'd think the tendril that directly threatened Terra itself as the bigger tendril than a tendril that threatened a 'much beloved Founding Chapter homeworld'.
F'ing GW and their obsession with space marines...

Or Tau, the dudes with robots and giant mechs and plasma guns that work better than the Imperiums but are canonically like the 2nd or 3rd least advanced of the main races.
That's one of the less egregious ones. If you can buy that marines are so super awesome that 2000 of them can conquer a whole planet of normals (and if you can't, the setting pretty much falls apart), then it's not much of a stretch. Organization and discipline count for a LOT, and those are what orks are worst at.

Nids starve to death. Entire Hive Ships have been found by space marines, dead and drifting in space.

>nuh uh tyranids always win

That's not how it works mate.

daily reminder:
tyranids will consume ice giants, and gas giants
there is hundreds of times more mass in them than on earth.
tyranids will outnumber everyone by 1000s to 1
tyranid hive fleets are literally the size of dozens of planets worth of mass.

I think they soft retconned it to where the main thrust of leviathan was the cryptus tendril, while the ones hitting Octarius and the one currently being eaten by hydra were originally the main thrusts

Just like how the Earth ran out of energy and starved to death within a few thousand years? Makes sense

>Just like how the Earth ran out of energy and starved to death within a few thousand years?
Last I checked Nids don't drag an entire sun around with them when they travel, so that's not really an apples to apples comparison.
So basically it was retconned into making the BA's survival more amazing.

Figures.

even with magic you can't science some people. Nids can starve. If he doesn't get it, it's only because he doesn't WANT to get it. not even magic can fight reality bending powers like the will to be right no matter what

>Last I checked Nids don't drag an entire sun around with them when they travel

And they also don't have the entire biomass alive and actice at once when they're just cruising through deep space.

It's the same principle as a colony ship

Nods can hypothetically starve in the same instances a planet might starve and over similar timescales. If a Hive fleet can drift to a star over the course of a century, they'll probably be fine.

Because plot device, you stupid fucking prick. Same reason as anyone wins anything in any of those stupid ass books that make zero sense.

>Because plot device, you stupid fucking prick. Same reason as anyone wins anything in any of those stupid ass books that make zero sense.
Sounds like OP struck a nerve.
Let me guess: nid player?

At least the Swarmlord actually beat nearly all of of Khorne's special characters (sans Angron) when they showed up on Octarius trying to start shit.

All while his bugs were still fighting a nonstop war with Ghazzy's Orks.

They can't. The weakness of Nids is that biological technology is ultimately horribly flawed. For example every single "door" on a nid ship is in fact an organic structure along with every single wall and floor. On a ship the size of Manhattan or bigger. Because this is all living tissue it needs constant nourishment, a circulatory system pumping food into it. If it doesn't get this nourishment the tissue dies off and becomes necrotic, rotting away. Every square inch of a Tyranid ship needs to be constantly fed and pumped full of alien ichor or else it will kill the entire ship. The infantry and escorts can go dormant/be absorbed as biomass, but the hive ships can't. And if they starve the entire invasion is cancelled.

>Hive Fleet Hydra
>traitors
>HYDRA
>unknown goal
> H Y D R A
>mysterious
> H Y D R A
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Couldn't have said it better.

Well that, and to get rid of leviathan as the main fleet. even in shield of Baal the cryptus tendril wasn't anything special, it was just one particular tendril pretty far from the rest of the fleet that happened to be heading to Baal. It doesn't even show up on the map for tyranid invasions

The Dante novel has Dante saying that the Hive Mind has a singular hatred for the Angels. That's why it focused its on the Angels. It's not out of the question that the Hive Mind gathered up most of Leviathan and threw it at its most hated of enemies (second only to the Eldar).

>At least the Swarmlord actually beat nearly all of of Khorne's special characters (sans Angron) when they showed up on Octarius trying to start shit.

Eat a dick, you cunt. The Swarmlord beat jackshit. The combined Tyranids and Orks forces fought off the Blood Crusade until the Warpstorm took the Blood Crusade elsewhere.

>assmad Khornefag still pissed that the WAAC list couldn't beat Ghaz or the swarmlord
Look at all those heavy hitters being sent into one battle, that kind of force should roll through anything. Instead they got fought to a standstill and claimed no noteworthy skulls. They were also here long enough for a shit ton of mortals to show up and join, and only the daemons left in the warp storm. The rest of those Khorne flakes had to fight their way out

>Day 24675: All Tyranid flesh is green, app carapace a brilliant red due to ingestion of metallic compounds. Pyrovores ride upon Carnifices, which are armed with fleshborer hives. Tervigons no longer birth Termagants - Termagants now ride atop Tervigans. All gaunt genus secondary limbs enlarged to be scything talons. Shrikes combined with Venomthropes to limited success - now behave erratically, erraticness deemed within acceptable parameters. All species vocalizations synchronized. Biovores moved to frontline duty.

And again, the Tyranids AND Orks did not defeat the Blood Crusade. For all you know, the Khornates could have claimed tons of huge Ork nob skulls and warrior beasts before the Warpstorm took them.

Get it through you thick skull. The Tyranid and ork presences are massive. It would have taken years to purge them from the world. In most cases, the Warpstorm that the Blood Crusade used to travel around lasts only a few hours in the same location before moving. There is simply not enough time.

>LONG ENOUGH DUUR

Fuck off, you loser. This was addressed yesterday. Warp travel is fast and traitors can ride Warpstorms. There is no LONG ENOUGH. The Khornates mortals won't lag behind the daemons.

> The rest of those Khorne flakes had to fight their way out

And so what? Kharn and his warriors are still around and they fighting the Alpha Legion now.

you're a fucking idiot. Even re-arranging biomass takes energy, as does using psychic magic, they are always losing energy, which they need to eat again.

google entropy dumb fuck

So this is how nids work right?
>nids do something
>eat to recover energy of commanding all those fucking nids
>make more nids to eat more
>you need to eat more to make more nids
>you will never have enough nids
>YOU NEED MORE ENERGY
>YOU NEED MORE NIDS
>WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS
>create utterly inefficient method of both travel and consumption to eat more
>you probably end up hungrier than when you began
>fail a consumption campaign despite having magnitudes more troops and orbital bombardment
>your other hungry limb decides to eat the remaining campaign because fuck it
They're stupid as hell then. How the fuck are they a threat?
>muh more numbers than stars in the sky
Big fucking deal if you're starving yourself more than an insecure 15 year old girl. 13 Reasons Why Tyranids Fucking Suck

>Being this mad

OF COURSE I AM MAD.

Plants you dumb fucks

>mentioning entropy and psionics in the same sentence
>thinking science has any place in 40k lore

>So what happens when they just have to keep eating their own biomass over and over? Because that's probably a large part of what's happening at Octarius (besides new Orks saying "Shadow in da Warp? Wot's dat?" and straight up ignoring the Hive Fleet's shadow as they charge toward the sector from all across the galaxy).
You're still loosing energy. Sure the nids have hyper efficient recyling, but you're still looking at diminishing returns.

>photosynthesis
>in space
>with no fuckhuge leaves to collect as much radiation as possible
Fuck it, I guess. May as well go full retard instead of half-retard

I remember reading Tyranids would begin cannibalizing if they were low on energy. It's typical nature at work:

Lots of food - lots of people.
Lack of food - lack of people.

Are there any details on how many daemons Ka'Banhda led to go destroy Leviathan or did the hive fleet just kinda get swallowed into the warp rift and torn apart in there?

>nids are the only race that has to follow the laws of conservation of mass/energy in 40k all of a sudden
confirmed for only good player faction with any stakes involved. are other factions even trying?

if they didn't they would be unstoppable

I expected Blacktoof to be on that list. Don't remember if Ghaz killed him or just beat him into submission.

But the Overfiend is a bad ass leader to begin with.

>Day 50000:Orkoid fungal symbiosis was subverted, and heightened by Tyranoforming growth factors, until the creatures were reproducing at a startling pace, new offspring erupting directly from the flesh of the old. Orkoid psionic resonance fused with Tyranid synaptic control, merged with Ymgarl flesh-shaping and Genestealer phage cells, engorging, evolving, adapting wherever they intersected. wretches grew into grotesques. The grotesques grew into abominations. The abominations grew into nightmares. And when none could withstand the nightmares, they turned on the Orks and Tyranids, plundering their biomass to feed into their own psionic web. A devourer was born, a horrendous new power that expanded from from its hidden places like a metastasizing cancer. A New Devourer.
The Orks unleashed their most apocalyptic weapons from the depths of their arsenals; missiles that detonated into miniature singularities, Waaagh!-powered Gargants that rained down bolts of crackling green psychic energy, and gargantuan reptilian Squigs whose breath was atomic fire. But the Orks could not defeat the New Devourer.

A mighty swarm of Tyranid creatures lumbered out to oppose the New Devourer's threat, towering Bio-Titans that had been held in reserve for a final death strike. But the Tyranids could not defeat the New Devourer.
Eyes bloodshot, but still staring at the countless monitors arranged on his ship's bridge, Inquisitor Kryptmann covered his face with his hands and sobbed.

What nightmares had he created?

>Ghaz managed to supercharge the Orks into wiping Octarius clean of tyranids even though they were just on the verge of finishing off the Orks
>tyranids have cleaned at least 2 planets in the Octarius system of Orks, once was in a single day, without swarmlord even being there
>Khornes WAAC list containing every OP character except Angron failed to cause lastin damage to a planet half full of Orks and half full of tyranids, who had just been fighting each other for decades

Khorne is a shit
>b-but it takes a long time to kill all those enemies
Yeah it also takes a long time to wipe out tomb worlds and forge worlds but there were battles in the blood crusade that lasted long enough to do exactly that

>b-but they probably killed a bunch of nobz and random hive tyrants
Khorne sent his greatest generals to fight a bunch of no names? Pathetic. Khornes probably pissed as hell at the offerings of unworthy skulls

Nah man, Khorne died in that invasion. RIP
Yes I know I'm wrong but it's no less wrong then the idiot from yesterday who would not stop trying to get people to believe that the orks and nids allied against the eternal jobbers that are chaos

>>Khornes WAAC list containing every OP character except Angron failed to cause lastin damage to a planet half full of Orks and half full of tyranids, who had just been fighting each other for decades

Armegeddon was turned into a half daemon world by the Blood Crusade. Please, motherfucker, find where it says that the daemons did no lasting damage in the text.

You are a lying shit.

>Yeah it also takes a long time to wipe out tomb worlds and forge worlds but there were battles in the blood crusade that lasted long enough to do exactly that

Not really. The Ultramarines defeated Damnos in short order.

>Khorne sent his greatest generals to fight a bunch of no names? Pathetic. Khornes probably pissed as hell at the offerings of unworthy skulls

No, jackass, they were there to reap skulls and shed blood fort as long as the Warpstorm lasted above the world. There is no such thing as no names. In only exists in your meta-sense stupidity. Warbosses are warbosses and huge trygons are huge trygons. Each worthy of harvesting. The Crusade like it's SAID IN THE FLUFF had no specific destination or target. They pop over a world unleash hell and then leave regardless what what happened on the world because they are TIED TO THE MOVEMENT OF THE WARPSTORM.

And Ghaz and the Swarmlord aren't dumb enough to expose themselves to the Khornate onslaught. They would be behind billions of Orks.

You utterly lost this debate in the most humiliating of manners.

Not him.

Combined might. The Hivemind is smart enough to direct it forces to ignore the Orks and focus in the daemons. So is Ghaz.

That's not what he was saying though. He was very specific on the allying part.

the'yre basicaly 100% energy efficient, it's been saiid that when 2 hive fleets fight, nothing is lost

That's just propaganda.

>Please, motherfucker, find where it says that the daemons did no lasting damage in the text.
How about the fact that it doesn't say anything about Octarius getting a daemon world make-over, something really worth mentioning.
Seriouly, you're asking us to prove a negative. The proof is on YOU to prove that the Blood Crusade physically affected Octarius.

See pic related. Also
>still being this mad that Khorne's best didn't do jackshit to affect the war on Octarius

but untill we get something cortradicting that we have to assume it's true otherwise we might as well ignore all of the stuff in the codex's

I wonder if ghaz and swarmy ever stop fight for a day and just watch saturday imperium cartoons

This faggot was acting like they actually allied, as in the Orks and Tyranids stood shoulder to shoulder as brothers in arms and used their combined strategies to overcome the blood crusade. It's not much of a stretch to think the Orks and tyranids focused more on the massive army that suddenly appeared in their midst than they did on each other. It's completely lore breaking to have them ally

No you prove that Octarius was turned into a half daemon world. Also prove that the attack only lasted a few hours, or that the mortals materialized with the warpstorm as well, or that the Orks and tyranids merely survived the onslaught, or that Khorne didn't specifically send all of his champions to the most intense war zone in the galaxy on purpose and they failed to claim any noteworthy skulls. You can't prove any of that because there isn't enough information.

There is equally enough evidence supporting the "it was only a few hour drive by" stance as there is supporting that it was a major battle that lasted for an undetermined amount of time that was meant to claim the skulls of Ghaz and Swarmlord but it failed. Until we actually get the full write up, no one is right or wrong, it's all speculation and headcanon

>Thinks any of the writers at GW put thought into actual science in the lore

>tfw finally thought we were getting a a campaign book not involving the imperium or chaos with the Octarius war
>tfw chaos is still gonna stick its dick into it
There were rumors that Octarius was going to be the center of a campaign book, and I'm pretty sure it's just gonna end with Ghaz and Swarmy fighting off the Khorne crusade without any real resolution. Thanks GW, not even a purely xenos conflict can happen without "HEY GUYS WE THOUGHT THERE WASNT ENOUGH CHAOS HERE SO WE BROUGHT EVERY MAJOR KHORNE CHARACTER TO OCTARIUS!"

Nice, I'ma save that

IDK, sometimes I feel like you less defeat the 'nids, and more convince them that this particular sandwich is too spicy, and it's more resource efficient to move to a different sandwich.

Asshole, the line of text about the whole event says nothing outside the standstill and daemon leaving. That's what I pointed out.

YOU MADE the claim that the daemons did no lasting damage. I made no claim at all. It's on you, you retard.

Xenosfags are literally the scum of the Earth. Except Necronfags, they cool.

Chaosfags just salty about being bottom-barrel NPC race

>No you prove that Octarius was turned into a half daemon world.

Nope, that user made the claim that the Blood Crusade made no lasting damage on the world. I demand that he proves this.

And going by the Blood Crusade devastation and the daemonifaction of Armageddon by just appearing and ALSO every daemon incursion including Shadowbrink caused widespread corruption and alteration of the planet surface, it's a safe bet. That's how daemon invasions work.

>Also prove that the attack only lasted a few hours

The text says that most attacks lasts hours and even if we get generous and say a whole day it won't be enough time to crush the Orks and Tyranids. Such an undertaking would take years.

>that Khorne didn't specifically send all of his champions to the most intense war zone in the galaxy

Easy. The text says that the daemons follow the storms and that they have no specific destination or target.

>they failed to claim any noteworthy skulls

Prove it.

> stance as there is supporting that it was a major battle that lasted for an undetermined amount of time that was meant to claim the skulls of Ghaz and Swarmlord but it failed.

Fuck yourself. The first lines of the fluff says that the Blood Crusade was just a random party that followed the Warpstorms and went with them if they leave.

Eat dick. Your side is the one headcanoning like crazy.

Not an argument. Not like there as ever one. Xenosfags just cannot handle facts.

Except Cronbros. They cool.

Oh so you don't have proof that Octarius got daemon worlded? Nice headcanon you got there. Shadowbrink had an artifact that opened up into a warp rift, there was no storm. Also, Mordian, terra, Iyanden, Fenris, and various worlds of Ultramar all got invaded by daemons and had warp storms open up and didn't become half daemon worlds
>The text says that most attacks lasts hours
>most
Most being the key word here. 2 times it met its match, once was at Octarius. Prove that Octarius, the only battle out of thousands that they felt the need to talk about and make a whole force org chart, falls under the "most"

>can't wipe them out in a day
But again, nothing saying it was only a day. And Orks were able to wipe out a whole planet of tyranids in short order and the tyranids cleaned Orrok in a day. Khornes forces had half as many Orks and tyranids to deal with and they were fighting each other and they failed to wipe them out. They didn't even get close, they were fought to a standstill.

>no specific target
Every single Khorne champion who isn't skulltaker or Angron was there, they didn't all just so happen to show up at one particular battle just cause. The blood crusade was comprised of various armies going in 8 different general directions, so unless you think all of these champions and the greater bulk of the Khorne marines stuck together for the duration of the crusade while a bunch of no-names did the rest, this was a special gathering.

>prove it
Only swarmlord and Ghazghkull are noteworthy enough to make the force org chart, and neither of them was killed. no one gives a shit if Doombreed killed a random warboss, or how many random hive tyrant skulls Kharn offered

Nowhere in the text does it say the attack on Octarius was only a few hours, turned Octarius into a daemon world, or that Khorne had no interest in claiming Ghaz or Swarmlords skulls. You're headcanoning just as bad, go feast on cocks you insufferable slaanesh worshipper

So how many of Khornes finest do you reckon died ignominiously being pulled down by ripper swarms or Lotz of Grotz?

Everyone of the cults, gors and world eaters at the minimum

>Tomb Worlds, Forge Worlds, Hive Fleets
Tau safe again

>Oh so you don't have proof that Octarius got daemon worlded?

Except that I made no claim only pointed out what the Blood Crusade did to Armageddon.

So motherfucker I asked for proof for that the Blood Crusade did no lasting damage. Ever fork up the proof or apologise.

>Most being the key word here.

And you have no proof that it isn't within the most.

>But again, nothing saying it was only a day.

The span of the warpstoems usually in hours. What have you any evidence that it expended for many years which would have taken to wipe out the Tyranids and Orks.

>And Orks were able to wipe out a whole planet of tyranids in short order

There is no timeline for that.

>the tyranids cleaned Orrok in a day.

I would like to see that in text. Show me where it says one day.

>Khornes forces had half as many Orks and tyranids to deal with and they were fighting each other and they failed to wipe them out. They didn't even get close, they were fought to a standstill.

So you throw more headcanon and ignore the fact that the Blood Crusade objective wasn't to wipe out the Orks or Tyranids. They were there as long as the Warpstorm allowed. Even if they were winning and had their enemies at their mercy, the daemons would have left with the storm.

>Every single Khorne champion who isn't skulltaker or Angron was there, they didn't all just so happen to show up at one particular battle just cause. The blood crusade was comprised of various armies going in 8 different general directions, so unless you think all of these champions and the greater bulk of the Khorne marines stuck together for the duration of the crusade while a bunch of no-names did the rest, this was a special gathering.

Wow you fucking waste of flesh. Motherfuckerr. no matter would you headcanon the text is clear. The Blood Crusade as said in the text had no destination or target. The Storm took them to random places and one of them happened to be Octrarius.

>Only swarmlord and Ghazghkull are noteworthy enough to make the force org chart, and neither of them was killed. no one gives a shit if Doombreed killed a random warboss, or how many random hive tyrant skulls Kharn offered

Moron, there are more Orks on the planet than Ghaz and whatever mentioned. There is the Overfiend the Master of the place and his Warbosses.

>Nowhere in the text does it say the attack on Octarius was only a few hours,

Hours or more. The Warpstorms lasts for a short finite time.

> turned Octarius into a daemon world,

Never claimed it did. Merely pointed out that it's within the Crusade's abilities and it's a safe bet.

> that Khorne had no interest in claiming Ghaz or Swarmlords skulls.

The Blood Crusade came to the place at random They did not come specfically for Ghaz or the Swarmer. Eat the most rancid Nurgle dick, cunt.

The crusade didn't go anywhere near the Tau worlds, but can you imagine how assmad these Khornefags would be if their WAAC list got stood up by Tau instead of Orks and Nids?

>Doombreed killed a random warboss, or how many random hive tyrant skulls Kharn offered

You don't give a shit in a meta sense, dumbass. But Khorne will be pleased with the offerings.

>The crusade didn't go anywhere near the Tau worlds

Prove it. I notice a pattern with you making claims that you cannot back up.

The Blood Crusade was comprised of 8 waves that sailed in different directions across the galaxy. For all we know, wave 6 smashed into a sept or two.