HHG the Horus Heresy General

Armageddon is toast and Mordia is beyond the rift.

RIP Steel Legion, you were the Guards finest.

I will. The Red Tear and anything Sanguinius looked better. I dislike typical good boi colours of blue and gold. Hate coloured-for-your-convenience factions, like House Terryn

>I say the IWs would recruit from Krieg, and the SG would recruit from Catachan.

Krieg would probably be too risky. It's a completely nuked out hell hole, far too much chance of mutations, which is a dangerous combo with any geneseed.

Dammit Satan, you better post the source of that pic. There's a complete one, isn't it? Ree

>"We reduce things".
Well, he could be a demolitionist. That is a decent job description for some people. Or a VERY specialist chemist.
Still, I do get into character a bit, especially in friendly games. Why not? We're playing complicated toy soldiers while trading assorted jokes and barbs that take a decent historical interest in a fictional universe to understand, it's not like we're going to look LESS nerdy by not outwardly enjoying ourselves.

I never said anything about researching baking :^)
Spoonfeed me or understand that mistakes will be made - get used to NL levels of fail that, with time and practice, might improve.

Sometimes, depending on who I'm playing, what type of battle/where it is being fought, if it's a fluffy fight... I usually just try to make sure we're both having fun; the odd reroll or extra dice/inch/whatever if it's thematic or fun. I'm less interested in having those for myself, because a) I feel like a dirty cheater then (even if we've agreed about such things in advance) and b) more casualties = more bitterness.

Kriegers are pure. Pure! Their blasted hell hole of a planet pumps out more regiments than Cadia or Necromunda.
That's just what we need for IW geneseed, which is compatible as fuck.
>Not recruiting from rad Max hellscapes
>What is Baal
Reminder that BA geneseed kills more initiates than IF, DG and SW genejizzes

>I put on my Librarian hat and robes.

Do the Death Korps churn out MORE Regiments, or LARGER ones?

I think it's the latter, but it could be head canon.

So pure, that it took 500 years of nuking to get them in line, and now they're so fucked up they make the rest of the Guard look sophisticated in their tactics.

I think they produce more than Necromunda but not Cadia, they send out far more than required for it's population.

>Machine Spirits are not for sorcerous sexual

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (Fellblade Explodes)

fucking loyalists

Me and my friends decided to get into HH.
They already picked their armies (Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors) and I'm still not decided.
At first I wanted to go with AdMech, then Death Guard, and now even considering Ultramarines and Imperial Fists because I've recently developed fetish for models with shields (in adition to MKIII armour fetish).

What should I do?

I think both. Regular hive planets (not Cadia) give a tithe of a regiment, armed but to be trained in the IG way. Krieg gave 10 fully equipped and trained regiments when they returned to the Imperium, and each of them asked immediate deployment on the hardest zones possible. And that was before the Administratum sanctioned Vitae Wombs and Viagra for both sexes, so the amount can only go up.
And their "mutation" is those guys are pale from not getting too much sun. Arvo, Krieg protagonist of this short story, was able to both blend in perfectly and adapt to civilian life, if only returning to service a year later.
Reminder that Chenkov is a condecorated Valhallan, not Krieger. And when your regiment becomes able to kill a Monolith in a bayonet charge, then you can tell me which tactics work and which don't ;^)

I put in a completely and utterly biased vote for Mechanicum, and they can do shields too. These bastards are also perhaps the second-best anti-IW tool after the Vulturax, too.

Since your friends have gone full meme you should get IF or DG for extra memeness

There are no Cadian civilians, they're all reservists. The same goes for Krieg. Cadia had the Eye of Terror mutations, Krieg had post nuclear winter ones.
I say they're on a similar level, but for Cadia it was a necessary thing while for Krieg... that's how those guys are.

According to my 5E IG Codex, literally every world raises regiments of IG according to what they can and what traditions they have, so there is no unified "IG way". Trends might be common, either because they're effective or because they're in vogue, but that's all.

Tell us, user. Besides shields what else do you like? What's best in life, eh?

I read of natives having to being issued lasguns with wooden stocks to feel comfortable with them, and having to be briefed on the nature of space travel, or becoming regiments entirely made up of Roughriders to lessen the cultural shock.

Well I don't have preference in type of army per se, I'm more painter and collector, so my choices are based on looks and fluff, more than gameplay, hence thing with shields. On one hand I don't want another blue army (have Deathskull Orks, Thousand Sons for 40k, Tzeentch (actually more rainbow than blue) for AoS), but on the other I could just follow the pattern and do another one. I like things where I can go full wild with painting and push it to the edge with details and vibrant colours.
Fluffwise, i like shades of grey instead of super good or super bad guys.

Imperial Fists, because in a year or two the focus of the Heresy will be on the Solar System and Terra and the IF were actually there. Better yet, the fluff mostly has them fighting the Iron Warriors (Book 3: Extermination & The Crimson Fist) and the Alpha Legion (Praetorian of Dorn). The AL kick off the Solar War and the IW lead the siege on the Imperial Palace.

Mechanicum is a good choice too (during the Heresy, when Mars has fallen, the government-in-exile gains a seat on the High Lords of Terra and becomes the Adeptus Mechanicus at the cost of some of its independence). You could always make an allied detachment.

Stone Gauntlet is an odd rite of war... it looks lousy on paper, but a lot of players have had a lot of luck with it. Email Michael at the Eye of Horus podcast if you need advice with it. Don't bother with the other IF-specific RoW, but a lot of the generic ones are fine (Orbital Assault, Pride of the Legion, Armored Breakthrough, and Brethren of Iron are the better ones).

>Stone Gauntlet is an odd rite of war... it looks lousy on paper
This is false, on paper it's good, it's the breachers themselves that bring it down.

That's what I mean, breachers are terrible on paper so a rite of war written about them should be bad too. But I've seen it work.

Emperor's Children are quite flamboyant, with lots of gold detailing and white spots for colour- Chaos EC/DG leave lots of room for mutations and going nuts with colours and effects. SoH, WS and SW can all use 40K SW bits for converting and kitbashing (with a prominent wolf and/or trophy-taking theme present in all three).

Depending on personal fluff, any Legion can field Good Guys with Lots of Details and Vibrant Colours, but you need to justify it somehow.

Is this the new Krieg book/short story? Has anyone got a epub to share?

Assault Marines, 1 20 man or 2 10 man?

I've made myself a chart to sort out things that I like in each legion that I've considered. Fluff is mostly form quickread on wiki, but I guess I'll go with yellow dudes.

>Fluff is mostly form quickread on wiki

If I come back to this post in a couple hours and it hasn't started an argument I will be very disappointed in the community of this general.

DG and SoH fit that chart pretty well. If you feel like painting more blue, consider Night Lords - they look good, have cool stuff and will be in Angelus.

>a tithe of a regiment

Tithe is a tenth, taken from the best troops on the planet. Because not giving the Imperium your best is grounds for the governor's termination.

>Reminder that Chenkov is a condecorated Valhallan

Reminder that he's also not considered a typical run of the mill Valhallan officer.

>when your regiment becomes able to kill a Monolith in a bayonet charge, then you can tell me which tactics work and which don't

Well, if it ends up killing your regiment and there's 12 more monoliths in the horizon, you'll be found wanting in this life and the next.

>DG
>has both their legion specific units in terminator armour
>and they're both pretty good
>no cool termies

>Well, if it ends up killing your regiment and there's 12 more monoliths in the horizon, you'll be found wanting in this life and the next.
>implying we don't have many many more regiment

10 man squads don't have any hitting power left by the time they reach the enemy (they'll take a few casualties on the way in). 15 is fine, though.

I'm not a fan of IF special units, but I do think they'll work well for you. The only problem is that the Tartaros terminators in BoP probably can't take shields. Get a set of Cataphractii (cheap enough on eBay) for shield-bearing shooty deep strikers. Also take the Tartaros squad you'll inevitably have, but kit them out for melee (a couple of them should have power fists or axes, but 2-3 single lightnight claws to stike at initiative are a good idea).

Oops, second half of was meant as a response to This is true too.

>packing 13 big regiments into the same area to take down 13 monoliths
>spending all those resources on training, shipping, equipping, upkeeping, etc.
>just to take down 13 monoliths

Anyone have HH 42-44 in audiobook? Need to revive the old Black Library that had all the audiobooks

Bit late to the party, but where are people getting that Calth was actually a super success? Lorgar even tells Erebus "nah m8, you and Kor Phaeron fucked up doing everything but the Ruinstorm."

>DG
>Terminatorest of legions
>No cool termies
Doesn't compile

Not a Word Bearer player but Calth was objectively a successful operation
>kills 120,000 Ultras at the cost of 50,000 of the Word Bearer's worst troops
>activates the Ruinstorm which keeps the Ultramarines out of the Heresy and away from Terra

not taking fluff from based Black Books...

Decimate yourself.

I get that it worked as intended. But people go on like they actually believe Erebus when he said it exceeded expectations. It didn't, they didn't kill Guilliman, they lost thousands of their own pointlessly, Kor Phaeron got his shit pushed in. Even Lorgar knows it, and tells Erebus as such. It did what was intended, and nothing more.

Those people are probably bantering m8

It was, but it could've been a bigger success if they hadn't gotten sloppy.

Ultimately the traitors failed because the Ultramarines and Dark Angels made it past the Ruinstorm and were going to reach Terra in numbers before the traitors could breach the Imperial Palace. More Word Bearers on Terra could've helped with the siege, and wiping out all of the Ultramarines on Calth (including Guilliman) would have made their arrival a lot less threatening.

I'd say the Ruinstorm exceeded expectations. It was a huge asset to the traitors. You're right that Erebus and Kor Phaeron are incompetent though.

>they didn't kill Guilliman
I was under the impression that Kairos Fateweaver told them that they'd lose the war if Guilliman was slain?

Overall it was a great success. People will talk about how the WB fled but there was really nothing left to do at that point. They left all those troops to die fighting because that was the point. They were fanatic retards who couldn't be trusted. (that last bit was a hamfisted retcon but it's canon)

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Very nice.

A lot of them dont have modern artwork. Really only Conqueror, Vengeful Spirit, Macragge, Harafnakel, and iron blood have been seen properly.

Not coincidentally those are the largest ships of the class

most of the pics on 40k wiki are fake/misidentified so dont use those for others

I'm thinking of getting into 30k. Is it actually a good game, nice fluff and models aside? How much decision making and tactics do the rules allow for?

more balanced than 40k at least

I don't care about 40k. Is it actually a good game by itself? Is there much skill or thinking involved!

It's a bad idea at the moment, as HH is sticking with 7E rules and thus you won't be able to play it with any 40k people.

It's not bad, but I'm a grog who doesn't think a game can truly be good unless it's 10mm scale or smaller. Epic Armageddon and Battlefleet Gothic were great sets of rules by GW. There was enough open space to let positioning and movement flow.

40k/30k rules just barely manage to squeeze two large 28mm armies onto a reasonably-sized table. It's a bit cramped, so a lot of the most important tactics the rules allow involve blocking, like with transports (because you can't move within 1" of a unit unless charging or something along those lines. If you think of a game as lasting a short period of time, it works. There's just more emphasis on deployment and interaction between unit special rules than I'd like.

30k is pretty well balanced, even if you're using one of the non-marine armies. Not perfect, but no game is. It's fun, though, and that's what matters. If you're able to role-play just a little, battles can be very memorable.

I wouldn't say it exceeded expectations. Its primary purpose, that is cordoning off the Ultramarines, ultimately failed, at the worst possible moment.

>I was under the impression that Kairos Fateweaver told them that they'd lose the war if Guilliman was slain?

Close, but Fateweaver only said they'd lose if Lorgar killed Guilliman at Calth - that's what Kor Phaeron was "supposed" to do, but instead decided he'd try converting Guilliman to Chaos instead with an athame

5 bananas down, 15 to go

I don't think Cadia produces any regiments anymore.

And let's not forget that one head of Kairos always lies, and the other tells the truth.

>And let's not forget that one head of Kairos always lies, and the other tells the truth.

Think about that for a few seconds m8

>art of Iron Hands cataphractii shows them with chainmail pteruges and shoulders
>refuse to use cataphracii models because they're all sculpted with leather strips
Rate my autism. Also post your own autism.

That is pretty tame around here, actually. I don't have cataphractii because they don't have Perturabo's awesome metal loincloth and I am going to have to do something about the aweful giant ones that the Siege Tyrants have.

Does anyone have the dimensions of the FW boarding shields? Breaching squad ones work too. I'm trying to build a model to try printing my own, but I can't find the dimensions anywhere. Need the height and width, mostly.

Why the fuck do you keep posting this image in almost every thread. We get it user, you are proud of your conversion. Good job. Awesome. Well done and now move on with your life.

the initial 100k were lost in orbit, the Word Bearers themself got their shit fucked up royally on the ground. Especially once the grid was taken and they had to scuttle away like rats

I feel your lamenting, user. Chainmail pteruges are so fucking hardcore. If only I were able to paint the Hands in the oily metallic that FW uses, I would build a legion of such vastness, it would blot out the sun.

So I have one squad of Cataphractii for my IF, but was wondering if I should buy another squad of them or a squad of Tartaros.

The Cataphractii are equipped with an Iliastus Assault Cannon, combibolters, one powersword, two chainfists, and two powerfists.

You can file down the leather strips and then fill in with greenstuff that you make look like chain mail. You can either let your autism lock your bitch ass up or channel that shit and do something awesome

What does your heart tell you?

To purge the traitor and die in a hailstorm of enemy fire because I don't want to retreat.

I don't think the initial 100k were lost in orbit but rather in the initial attack, counting the first battles ion the ground. The underworld war was a mess though.
>t. Word Bearer player with love/hate relationship for Erebus and Kor Phaeron

it's heavily implied that most UMs that died, died from the WBs ships burning their fleet at anchor

how come the Traitors haven't produced any individual worth mentioning in 10k years?

The XV coming along nicely chaps. Just a few more men and robuts to slap paint onto.

I think I have the same exact set of drawers.

>If only I were able to paint the Hands in the oily metallic that FW uses
Is the problem that you don't have an airbrush? The FW painters use one but it would probably be possible without it. The recipe is online.

What do you think of the pic related scheme? I found it online and I might use it for my Hands when they arrive.

I've yet to see a greenstuff chainmail tutorial that doesn't look like waffles or just a bunch of poked holes. If you have a good one I'd like to see it.

Huron Blackheart is supposedly a big deal and has a force to rival Abaddon's. I don't know if he's done anything worthwhile since Badab though.

Looks good, I like it.

No way Huron's forces actually rival Abbadon's in strength though. Sure, Huron is one of the most successful Chaos Lords in the setting, but the Black Legion is the single largest unified CSM faction in the Galaxy, with alliances and bonds to the other Legions and countless other factions in the Eye.

>Huron Blackheart
Loyalist gone rogue, not a native of the 8 Loser Legions.

Time to tear my reductor list to shreds, I got advice a couple of threads ago and hopefully I have avoided a typical reductor cheese list.

I really like the knight and its fluff but I'm unsure whether this would be that guy territory, I don't feel like one knight is that guy. Sure it has ranged D but only for about 8 inches and its other ranged weapon is a single shot blast so prone to scatter.

Ordo Reductor 2500
HQ
Archmagos, abeyant, machinator array, photon thruster, djinn, x4 cyber eyes, augury scanner, cyber senpai, melta bombs, rad grenades, MC power axe - 365

TROOPS
x6 Destructor Thallax, x2 photon thruster - 320

x6 Ferrox Thallax, x6 heavy chainblade - 310

FAST ATTACK
x6 Ursarax, x6 power fist - 385

HEAVY SUPPORT
x2 Mars Colossus artillery, x2 siege plating - 300

x3 Demolisher artillery, x3 siege plating, x3 machine spirit, x3 dozer blade - 375

LOW
Knight Atrapos, fancy eyes - 445

Are you Chinese?

So what's the verdict on Crimson King? Fluffwise 1k Sons are best legion.

>vexila & shield
>blade & dagger
>mixed squad

Because most of the big guys are still in charge.

Time to start doing bases man

Fair point but I think it's mentioned that Abaddon feels threatened by him. The Red Corsairs are the "size of a pre-Heresy legion" but that leaves a lot of room for interpretation. They're definitely a tier below the Black Legion's power though.

>Fluffwise 1k Sons are best legion
>helping Horus after he sicced the Space Wolves on Prospero
Is any legion more cucked than the Thousand Sons?

> Fluffwise 1k Sons are best legion.
Lol. TSons and the SW are the two legions who have gotten shat on hardest by BL and the retcons.

TSon are now playing Pokemon through time and the retreading the plot line later in a better novel. Whilst the Space Wolves have become the Space Jobbers with a Primarch whos only pretending to be retarded.

>Who is Huron?

>1 mentionable individual in 10k years
>and that one only joined Chaos roughly 100 years ago