ITT: we talk about history like it was a wargame

Aww, are you mad that people aren't buying your bullshit "DEM DARKIES WERE HAPPY THAT WAY" narrative?

Nice strawman. Just because an institution was bad doesn't mean that a massively destructive war and an obliteration of the country's basic founding principles are an appropriate response.

This.

>we talk about history as if it were a wargame

user, that's just /hwg/.

Wow, that absolutely contributed to the thread, I am in awe of your eloquence.

Is he the best villain?

>playing America
Is it's win condition still having it's allies do the hard work and just landing the killing blow...

Also, what makes a good back up for Makandal...

His post added more value to the thread than yours did.

No, he's arguably one of the strongest, though. Best villain is honestly Mussolini, his story blows all others out of the water. Still an asshole I love to hate, which makes him a great villain.

Low tier
He was great in world war 2 because he was the loveable uncle guy who was kind of incompetent withe hints of bad shit going on
In cold war they retconed him into beign a cold hearted bastard thats worse than hitler

>t. I know nothing about the civil war event
No allies helped the north and south
Also, since when was japan easy pickings?

Wasn't a villain. Fucking revisionist propaganda.

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>worse than a tragic hero
That's not how it works

Only for counter-revolutionaries. The revolution is more important than any one person.

Wait, the older editions didn't have that...
Which rulebook introduced it...
The Great War, WWII?

>50,000,000 dead
>An ideology is more important

You do realize that The Great War gave them that boost because the last two years were decided by fan voting and the Entente got massive votes out of nowhere, right, so they needed a Deus Ex Machina for it to work?

Then on WW2 they were already dropping hints the US was helping the Allies from the beginning and would join when someone provoked them, and lo and behold the Japanese did.

This thread was ruined quiet fast

Except it's absolutely a thing, you'd see it if you fucking looked around a little bit.

Do you have any idea how many people capitalism has killed?

Meanwhile /hwg/, the actual "history as wargames" thread, is probably one of the most civil generals around.

What do you mean?

Any discussion of history is going to draw arguments. Go on Veeky Forums sometime. The thread wasn't ruined, it just took its inevitable form.

Not nearly as many as communism sistematically.

t. Anarchist

And by defending the status quo at the expense of fellow revolutionaries, you show your true colors.

>Just because an institution was bad doesn't mean that a massively destructive war and an obliteration of the country's basic founding principles
Agreed. All this could have been avoided if the Southern states hadn't unilaterally obliterated the concept of a constitutional compact and then invaded land the state of South Carolina had willingly ceded in entirety to the United States Government three decades ago on some flimsy irredentist pretext.

Anyone here still play Ancients? It's been getting harder to find people to play with that aren't just autistic Romeaboos.
Wow, way to break character.

Microterritories are bullshit artifacts of an overcentralized federal government that had far exceeded its rightful position. They had no legitimate claim.

I fucking hate power creep. Spend 4 years putting this build together and she's already power creeped to hell.

This microterritory in particular was willingly handed over to the federal government by the South Carolina State Legislature, the exact same legislature that declared its independence 30 years after renouncing all claim to the island.
>but muh civil processes
extraterritoriality is not sovereignty, and invasion is not a civil process.

>fellow revolutionaries
Holy fucking LARP, this guy is amazing. Do you have a black belt in Krav Maga too? A basement full of guns? Are you currently tracing my IP address?

The federal government had no constitutional power to hold territories belonging to the states. Sumter and situations like it were blatant power grabs.

Commieboos need to stop
You lost
Your models weren't selling
Get over it
Go play with those fancy new russian tanks

is there anyone who is a bigger mary sue than him Veeky Forums?

and as if his ridiculous conquests weren't enough the writers have to do their magical realm
>and then he impreganted like some thousands women and you probably have his genes!

The capitalist world order is collapsing. The revolution was lead astray at first by American subversion, but that will not happen again.

>The federal government had no constitutional power to hold territories belonging to the states.
Can you not read the part that says
>That this State do cede to the United States, all the right title and claim to South Carolina to the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory
?
As of the date of signing (December 31st, 1836) by the South Carolina State Legislature, the site of Fort Sumter and the requisite quantity of adjacent territory was no longer "territories belonging to the states," by the agreement of the State of South Carolina.
>Sumter and situations like it were blatant power grabs.
How many times are you going to try to argue power grab when the law clearly indicates that South Carolina willingly handed that territory older with mutual consent?

>hype up a super good ship for japan
>everyone is excited
>realise it would be too expensive to mass produce
>cancle the models for years
>finally release
>it's years behind the current power level
>gets raped by the US navy
For what purpose

What you don't understand is that the federal government had no constitutional power to hold those territories directly. It was an illegitimate agreement.

Edgy backstory too.
>hurr my dad was poisoned when I was young
>then I got captured and had to work as a slave
>but I ended up taking revenge and killing all of them though :)
Reeks of DMPC.

>says this as venezuela is about to become US 2.0 and sweden is on a decline
Holy shit get over it you lost
Go play china if you like communisim so much

I'm running a really old campaign with the Ancient India system.

I can't tell who is having fun roleplaying and who is legitimately assblasted anymore.

The federal governments exists only by the consent of the states. If the states decide to leave, the federal government has no right to continue occupying territory within the states.

>the rest of his character arc is him doing jack shit, getting all the credit, and raping every women he mets except for his pure waifu

>sweden
>china
>communist
Fucking retarded liberal. I bet you think public libraries are socialism too.

To be fair, he is the Conan of the /tghis/ genre.

>What you don't understand is that the federal government had no constitutional power to hold those territories directly.
Article Four, section 3, clause 2 of the United States Constitution directly says
>The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.[11]
i.e. Congress is authorized to manage and govern United States territory. This isn't some new concept given that many of the Confederate states began their lives as United States Territories until they were incorporated as states. You don't just suddenly invent the idea that the United States Government couldn't hold or govern land to call backsies on land you gave away.
>It was an illegitimate agreement.
There was no "agreement." South Carolina unilaterally decided, by the letter of the law, that Fort Sumter was no longer South Carolina. The United States didn't sign anything about that.

As of December 31st, 1836, all claims by South Carolina that Fort Sumter was "within" or "part of" the State of South Carolina were extinguished.

Legalistic definitions of being within an entity are fucking retarded. It fell within its borders, it was by all sane rights part of it, ridiculous proclamations don't change that. If congress passes a law stating that the US is no longer on the continent of North America, does that make it true?

If your going to shitpost political arguments, at least treat them as if they were part of your roll playing game.

I prefer Jackson, but my local store's meta has never really moved past the Colonial expansion and Jackson has a lot of bonuses against Natives armies. We have THREE fucking Iroquois players at my LGS.

>Legalistic definitions of being within an entity are fucking retarded.
>The law we wrote is retarded
Then by that definition, the entirety of the Confederate States of America fell within the borders of the United States, it was by all sane rights part of it and ridiculous proclamations don't change that
>but muh constitution
Legalistic definitions of being within an entity are fucking retarded.
>If congress passes a law stating that the US is no longer on the continent of North America, does that make it true?
The United States does not legally control the entirety of North America. South Carolina, up until December 31st, 1836, controlled the entirety of the lands encompassing Fort Sumter. But if the United States Congress were to agree that Guam is no longer part of the United States, it is allowed to do that.
>ridiculous proclamations don't change that.
The members of the South Carolina State Legislature did not find it ridiculous in the slightest.

That's too much effort for shitposters

On a different note, has anyone found a way to use german tanks effectively during world war 1 games? I always seem to get out gunned.

nah its fucked, heard German Workshop is just going to give up on that setting and roll out a new one as a sequel.

Best advice for cleaning the trenches is using chlorine gas, but I hear its getting removed from the game in the next update.

Don't worry
When you FLGS adopts world war 2 after seeing how unblanced the great war is, things will get better
Other wise spam trench infantry and hope you don't run into a russia or US player

Jackson is the reason native americans sell like shit
They made a rule that makes an entire faction useless and the got suprised when it died

>being this butthurt
Sounds like someone got Khan'd.

Anyone else having trouble getting rid of these guys? I'm the middle of a Manifest Destiny game and these fuckers are giving me a hell of a time expanding.

Come on, the scythe and dagger plan would have been pretty good if it had worked.

Apparently the diplomacy penalty for breaking treaties aren't even that significant, so as long as you don't exterminate them completely you don't really get penalized too badly.

Forget pic

Why is this thread full of cold war expansion players...

The whole "one battle last as long as a game of monopoly" thing turned me off, though I loved the hippies vs. Establishment '68 skirmish set, does anyone know what other "un-sets" they made...
I already played Great Emu War, War of the Oaken Bucket, and War of the Golden Stool.
My favorite though is the Conch Bay Revolution.

Soup war
And if your an extreem player, go play the conspiracy spinoffs
Their no greater fun than destroying an isis attack using my jewish lizardmen defense squad

I'd advise playing a game of Vietnam. The best tactic is to just keep going at it. There's no way the tiny country could beat the OP American alignment, right?

Jesus christ, Africa has literally never been updatedonce. Fucking once. No wonder everyone was owning them until they banned it. Fucking why?

The Mansa Musa campaign was cool.

>playing any africa faction that isn't egypt or carthage
You fucked up nig

Ethiopia?

There is one time ethiopia was relevent and that was when the italians were gasing them

>Dude, what the fuck, I told you I'd play you after I'm done with Josef. Stop helping them out.
>Come on dude stop, you're not even playing this game. I'll play you later once we balance out the starting point values, stop.
>I can literally see you handing your tanks under the table to both of them.
>I can't fucking believe this, those are literally American planes and American tanks, Josef; you literally just colored the white star red.
>Don't fuck with me Frank, they're not "neutrality patrols" if they're actively sinking my subs.
>Right that's it, if you all want to gang up on me at once so be fucking it.
>Wait what do you mean I'M the aggressor, you were literally feeding them units-
>Et tu, Italy?
>Fuck it. Fuck this. Yeah, I fucking give up, All my leaders killed themselves in their office or something. Poisoned the dog and the kids too.
>This is why I fucking hate playing with you, Frank. I hope Josef kicks your fucking ass.

Germanys loss was the best thing to come out of world war 2, i just wish that the americans got their first so that we could see hitler at the trials

>What do you mean those are "Free" French? France is right there, I beat Phillippe, I get his industry and manpower points, that's how it works.
>I've never even heard of this De Gaulle guy, did you just promote him like five different ranks so you could have a "French" Leader?
>Those aren't even french units, those are your units and all the leftover pieces in Africa that you marked a cross of Lorraine on.
>I swear to god nobody knows the rules in this game.

>mussolini, what the fuck are you doing in greece?
>i need all the help i cam get to beat josef
>fine i'll send you support, but this better be quick
>*mussolini rolls three 1s in a row*
>....

Do you know what Aksum is?

>playing Greece
>Balkan Wars scenario, navy is kicking Ottoman ass
>Serbia-Montenebro and Bulgarbro capitalizing on my navy's success
>retake parts of Macedonia and the Dodecanese
>draw random event card
>King Assassinated

This is bullshit.

Why is this thread not being bumped even when I post without saging?

early shitposting probably led the mods to autosage.

I actually really like the setting, fuck.
>removing chlorine gas
Thank god i hated fighting that shit, took up so many points just to equip everyone with masks.