Infinity General - Outrage over an Outrageous Box edition

>those seem to always rely on actually hitting them
Aside from your best one.

>How do I Haqq.
>posts Ghazi.
That's how.

You can take the whole box for 20 points or just 2 of them for 10 which is enough to fuck over your opponent anyway because Ghazi are stupidly good and stupidly priced for a stupid faction of stupids.

Steel phalanx has a super hard time with mines of all sorts. No cheap units to run into them, and shock/viral turns off nwi.
There are also only a couple of models that can be a LT. Hunt named characters, make sure there's no living myrm officer, and you bought yourself a free turn.
Take objectives. SP doesn't have cost effective specialists so their main plan is brawling.
Throwaway templates pull double duty against them because they ignore ODD and can usually hit most of a clumped link team.
You're losing because you're trying to have a firefight with them.

A serious noob question, how do I start list building. I'm planning on going Aleph, so should I just start with the started box? Do you usually start with picking the lieutenant? I'm a bit lost with all the options.

I don't have any of those, but they'll be part of my next round of purchases.

That's fair I think. I kept trying to win shootouts with Muyib EXP weapons or Lasiq viral, rather than thinking about ways I could avoid having to go head to head.

For vanilla aleph, the starter is fine. From there expand to the posthumans(mk 1,2,3) box and a box of remotes. Then another naga or a dasyu.
In my experience those are the most efficient models.

critskillpeople.com/2014/09/the-perfect-composition.html/
It's from N2 days, but it still applies.

Like everyone said you use Ghazi for the templates and jammer and the Minelayer Farzan that can infiltrate and start with a mine deployed.

Is there anywhere which has a collection of scenario rules or different objective setups?

It's in the downloads section of the official site. Look for ITS rules.

Those are what 95% of people play

Thanks guys! Man, it's nice to get some actual answers instead being told to get out skrub.

There's also YAMS, which is an unofficial system made by one of their playtesters.

2 Ghazi are not going to win you a game dude.

If you e/m the right thing they definitely will.

>Intuitive attack detects your TO camo marker through a wall on a 15, and isolates it
>Shuts down a TAG from advancing through a 17 inch diameter bubble on key objectives for 5 points
>Engages you with a choice of template weapons while providing smoke for the army
Nuthin personnel kid

Satan knows his stuff.

Good article for newbs like me, thanks

hmmm got couple of metal infinity minis form friend, but they are not from the same faction. can faction mix ?

what minis you got?

Some do, like Aleph units in the ISS/NCA/SAA sectorials (subfactions) of PanO and Yu Jing, as well as some mercenaries work for one or multiple factions like McMurrough for Caledonia/Corregidor or Armand Le Muet for all generic armies.

hmmm from what i searched
some morat infianty, 4 minins form schock army starter (panOceania) and about 2 from yu jin and 3 from somthing i don;t know

o i got it 3 infinty form Nomads

Alright guys, sell me this game.
Why should I play it? What is the best way to jump into the hobby? Are Operation Icestorm and Red Veil both good or maybe one of this set is a better deal for a newbie? How many I have to spend on to play casual games at my LGS?
Just tell me everything you wanted to know when you were newbies interested with Infinity

How much I have to spend*

Fine asses, anime robots and tense, frenetic gunfights.

Don't bother with RV/OI, they are useless. It's much better if you buy the starter for the faction you want directly.

I think there's value in RV/OI. Owning it yourself gives you an easy way to introduce the game to a friend and get them hooked, or you can split it with a friend if you both want the minis, particularly the cool exclusive ones.

>fine asses
Tell me more about this - I found great asses as important as the core rules
Well, I actually thought about Haqqislam or Tohaa so RV would be handy

Both Icestorm and Red Veil are great ways to start, unless you really want to play a faction that is not in either, then use their starter. But considering 4 out of 8 basic factions are in those two, you're likely to get with either. Splitting the set with a friend is common practice.

As for how much do you have to spend, $100-$150 is the number thrown around. Couldn't tell you specifics because I'm not American, but Miniature Market seems to have deals on Infinity periodically. A rule of thumb seems to be 2 boxes (usually starter set and some extra troops or drones) and 2-3 blisters for a 200pts army. The game revolves around 10-16 models at standard point values, so you can do a quick estimation. Note that it's usually inadvisable to get two of the same box, especially starter sets.

As for rules, the factions are balanced against each other, there is a lot of rules and they may seem daunting at first, but not every faction uses everything (though most have access to almost everything and combine the general rules in unique ways). Balanced lists are better than gimmicks, everything can (and will) die, scenarios are often based around Specialist troops doing objectives like hacking a console or picking up supplies.

On the subject of asses, pic related.

Here are the reasons why those starters are shit:

- They don't come with the full rulebook, you won't even learn to play with them
- They don't come with a standard sized game matt, instead they come with a tiny one that is useless outside the short dumb demo games you will be playing with them
- You will end with miniatures from a faction you don't play and will need to find a player who wants to pay for them
- You will end with one set of scenery, which is not nearly enough to play a standard game, you would need aither buy at least 2 more sets or keep that one, which is useless by itself
- It comes with 6 dice: 3 for each faction, that means you will be short of one dice for your faction, even in the very demo games, because HMG requires 4
- All the templates and markers are shitty cardboard cuts, and you will need to buy more anyway because some basic required templates for the game are not included, like the teardrop one

The only redeeming factor to buy those sets at all would be the two exclusive models, otherwise you are just losing your time.

In all seriousness, if you want two players to start, pick up either Icestorm or Red Veil, depending on what factions you think look cooler.

Otherwise, pick up a starter box for a faction you find appealing visually or stylistically, and we can help you figure out what else to nab.

>Why should I play it?
Because it's cool, has tight rules, and looks neat.
>What is the best way to jump into the hobby?
With cutters, hobby knives, appropriate glue, some primer and paint from gaming stores or hobby shops
>Are Operation Icestorm and Red Veil both good or maybe one of this set is a better deal for a newbie?
Both are good, Red Veil's slightly better in that it has the little terrain bridges, and both the ninja and the Al Fasid from Haqqislam's very desirable. It's best split with a friend of course. There are also 300 point packs you may be interested in for Tohaa, Combined Army, and Aleph.
>How many I have to spend on to play casual games at my LGS?

About this many. Actually anywhere as low as 70 USD to about 140 USD for a rather complete collection

O:RV/O:I aren't useless, they're both rather good foots in the door to learning the rules and starting. They include terrain, dice, and starter rules easing you into it.

I just got my copy of operation icestorm and have been getting acquainted with the game. I've only played a few matches with missions 1 and 2 from the box so far. Had to use D&D minis as proxies since I'm still assembling the miniatures that come with it.
So far I don't regret my purchase. I'm having fun and can't wait to get all my guys painted and start using the more advanced rules. I don't really plan on going to a FLGS nor do I have anyone to play with regularly so I just enjoy going solo. Suits me fine though.
If you're unsure of which box to get I definitely agree with the notion that you should get one that has the faction you want. I thought PanO looked cool so I decided to go with that. Later on I wanna go ALEPH but I went with the starter set for terrain and all those extra bits.
One last thing, be sure to pick up some clippers, sand paper, super glue, and an exacto knife. That'll help with getting through assembly. I don't have much experience with paint yet. I'm gonna pick up some vallejo paints a little later but they're not necessary to start playing in my opinion. I've had some issues with gluing but gel gorilla glue has been helpful Where else the zap a gap glue I was using hardly worked

Is it possible yet to field an army of cat boys?

Maybe. With models as is no. With greenstuff and miniatures that don't have helmets, it is pretty easy.

Now why would you want that?

none of those really mix. I'd say pick the ones you like best and sell the rest

I already regret making this

wrong.

Reposting this in case somebody else wants it.

I think is the general gist of how I want to get into ISS before I get a Su-Jian. Which Sniper should I go for, Bounty Hunter or Dakini? List is more elegantly with the bounty hunter but Supportware with a Mimetism sniper seems more annoying to deal with.

>Outrage
What's the reference? I don't get it.

"Outrage" is the Infinity ""Manga"" that came out in April. This box has characters from the Manga and it's causing outrage because some people find them ugly (I'm not inclined to disagree with Emily and Domovoi).

Why do these models look bad? I've never thought that about any of corvus beli's new stuff, except for their scarface stand alone one.

I dunno dude. Maybe they tried to copy the style of the comic and it went horribly wrong. Or maybe they just had a real off day.

I'm convinced at this point it's that whoever painted the eyes just did a complete shit job.

>Manga
Why do they do this? Is it because manga is popular in some countries like Spain and France?

Because on top of infinity being inspired by anime and manga styles, a lot of players are weebs who like anime and manga.

They look so much better from this angle.

In the shot for the box cover Emily looks like she has some Jessica Nigri level 5head going on.

Anyone have the infinity deathmatch rules?

it's *Spainga

Think about it. There are plenty of dirty weeaboo Infinity players who love manga but would never touch anything called a comic, and the anti-weebs who like comics but not manga would be turned off by Infinity's manga inspired aesthetic anyway. It's a smart move.

>They don't come with the full rulebook, you won't even learn to play with them
They come with a rulebook that teaches the basics of Infinity and allow you to play the 5 missions attached. And it's not like you have to pay for full rules.

>They don't come with a standard sized game matt, instead they come with a tiny one that is useless outside the short dumb demo games you will be playing with them
>You will end with one set of scenery, which is not nearly enough to play a standard game, you would need aither buy at least 2 more sets or keep that one, which is useless by itself
Those are both same thing: enough to play the set and a good starting point. Most two-player sets for miniature games come without any kind of scenery at all. The only thing that comes close would be the Shadow War: Armageddon starter and it still did not have full rules or enough terrain for a full game in it. Not to mention apparently GW stopped selling it.

>You will end with miniatures from a faction you don't play and will need to find a player who wants to pay for them
Yo, I play both PanO and Nomads. And splitting the box means splitting the cost. You need someone to play the game with anyway.

>It comes with 6 dice: 3 for each faction, that means you will be short of one dice for your faction, even in the very demo games, because HMG requires 4
I'd say you'd be 2 short, because HMC and linked HMG is Burst 5. But you know, there's no law about using the dice from the other faction if you keep both armies and d20s are cheap.

>All the templates and markers are shitty cardboard cuts, and you will need to buy more anyway because some basic required templates for the game are not included, like the teardrop one
Only valid complaint IMO. Although they have enough templates for the box itself, you'd want to print out or buy more.

Honestly, what do you expect from a 90€ two-player starter set? For it to be two bundled 300pts packs with triple the scenery and a full game mat?

>Honestly, what do you expect from a 90€ two-player starter set? For it to be two bundled 300pts packs with triple the scenery and a full game mat?

That would be a good start. Would be better if it were all that for 50€, though, since charging people 90€ to see if they like a game is outrageous GW-tier robbery.

>would be better if the company hemorrhaged money, though

Ah, you are a retarded troll. Gotcha.

>since charging people 90€ to see if they like a game is outrageous GW-tier robbery.

Not even close. The RRP of the two faction starter sets in those boxes already covers over half the price they are asking for. And that is before factoring in the extra two exclusive models you get in them.

And there is no mandatory cost to try the game like with GW since the entire ruleset is free online. You are only paying for the convenience of having pretty much everything you need to get started in a single box.

Also unlike GW it is easy to find online retailers with discounts for these boxes.

Reposting best girl from Aristeia!.

Really hoping aristeia will have miniatures. Otherwise, I'm really just not interested

CAD sculpt of the panda guy leaked a while ago.

really getting a jet set radio vibe from that art

Beba is actually pretty good and most of the others look at least somewhat decent, but holy shit, Emily looks horrible.

Rumor had it that that would be a limited-edition kind of deal and the only actual mini. Not sure if true, but it'd sure be stupid...

Question about models with a CC of 20+

I get how the increased crit range works.
However there's people in my club claiming that in addition to that, when rolling for CC, depending on the value, you actually add a hard number on top of the rolls' outcome. Meaning that f.e. if you're CC 25, and you roll 8, you add 5 to the result for a total of 13, which counts for FtF purposes.

Is that true?

>I play it for the rules
Huh, time to take a look on Infinity arts

I'm torn between Haqqislam and Tohaa. I want to talk my gf into Infinity so if she say "yes" we will split the RV box and if decide to stick with _AoS_ only I'm gonna pick Tohaa

>With cutters, hobby knives, appropriate glue, some primer and paint from gaming stores or hobby shops
I already have all these hobby stuff so it's a good start
>Actually anywhere as low as 70 USD to about 140 USD for a rather complete collection
Wait, what? What do you mean by "complete collection"? I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?

As a newbie, how would you rate the models quality?

>Haqqislam
>Tohaa

Hello new user. Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and savior Jesus Christ?

Probably would be blunder of the century.

Yep.

>I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?
Basically, yeah. There aren't many important models as much as there's important roles that can be filled by several different models. For example in Haqq there are a few different ways to deal with enemy camouflage. You can use Djanbazans with their fancy anti-camo visors, Naffatun with their flamethrowers, Rafiq robots with their sensor, an infiltrator with mines, or a combination of several different methods. The same goes for big attack troops, support units, order generators, objective grabbers, etc.
There's a lot of choice generally, and many units go about doing the same things in different ways.

still waiting for the fucking rpg

that'll be the best way to jump into the setting, no? i'm not really interested in wargaming but the world seems cool for an rpg

The core book is basically done already. The preview PDF is only missing the 'Life in the Human Sphere' section (and has the formatting a bit fucked up in places), and the whole book is now with CB for one final round of checks before it goes out to the backers so they can see if there's anything both Modiphius and CB missed.

Let's just ignore the fact that Conan is on its fifth book already.

I expect at least a standard sized game mat and at least 4 dice per player.

Making me buy a proper matt and extra dice to be able to play at home is a dick move by CB.

I a big believer in the red veil ice storm starters. Each gets you an extra model per faction (darn good ones mostly) and the game will be more fun to get into with a friend to learn with. Id only recommend against them if you really like specific faction that isnt one of the 4 included.

>I can have all important models of chosen faction just by 140$?
It's a skirmish game, you're unlikely to field more than 16 models. Although Haqq likes to push upper limits because their main strength is Light Infantry and even their TAG (the Maghariba Guard) is on the cheap side for its stats.

Tohaa is the odd duck of the whole game, I've never played against them so I couldn't tell you what they're like. They're both one of the strongest armies (due to Symbiont Armour and Triad Fireteams, i.e. they all have basically an extra wound and they can move 3 models with one order) and the least popular one, because they are that weird and don't play like anything else.

>As a newbie, how would you rate the models quality?
Probably best looking sci-fi minis on the market and pretty well cast too, although various antennae are a pain (as every PanO player will tell you).

>Making me buy a proper matt and extra dice to be able to play at home is a dick move by CB.

No one is making you buy a proper mat. And they already pack at least twice the terrain anyone else does, aside from the apparently discontinued Shadow War set. Most companies just pack minis, dice and a rulebook. And again, the box has everything you need to play with it alone. You don't need a full mat for any of the starter set missions. Besides, a paper mat at full size is not really that good anyway.

You really are an entitled little shit aren't you.

>entitled little shit
Oh, pardon me for not wanting to end with a lot of useless shit I'm not going to use ever again.

So you say I can either trigger Derpus Vult Poles at my LGS with a massive amount of future-islam models and save some money by picking RV box or be a very special snowflake by running an outstanding (both rule- and aesthetic-wise) faction? Well, it seems that I have picked good factions to choose among them.

Also is there any Infinity arts database?

>There isn't enough stuff in the box
>I don't want to end up with a lot of useless shit

Which is it user? Those 2-player starter boxes aren't required to play. The rules are free online. Terrain kits are cheap.

All these boxes do is give you enough models and terrain to play with someone else quickly if you want. They aren't mandatory.

Crying about them having exclusive models would make more sense than your current train of thought.

You disgust me Saracen.

No big PanO tiddies for you.

It's both: they are useless because there are not enough or are not big enough for a standard sized game, so the moment you want to use it for a regular game you need to buy extra everything. Even templates.

You keep calling them useless despite lots of people saying they like them just find. Have you ever wondered if it might just be your problem?

They're not supposed to fully kit you out for a standard game you git. They're meant to give you enough to see if the game is to your taste before you buy anything more.

>Hey Galileo, you keep saying the Earth is round despite lots of people saying it's flat. Have you ever wondered if it might just be your problem?

Exactly, and then after 5 demo dumbed down games you end up with a useless mat, half the dice you need, and a third of the scenery you need.

Much better just buy the faction starter, a 5-dice pack, a template/marker pack, and if you want to play at home, three sets of the scenery you like most.

Similar cost, no useless shit, and then you only need to expand your army as you see fit.

Then just buy the models you want for your faction and a couple terrain packs. Or do what everyone else who doesn't want the other factions models does and re-sell them on ebay. You are manufacturing problems that aren't real.

I think I see the problem now. These boxes are meant as a quick start for 2-players so you can play with a friend. And you don't have any friends.

*significantly higher cost

ftfy

$40 starter
$40 scenery
$20 dice and templates
= $100

i.e. similar

>and if you want to play at home

And who and what are you going to play against if you only have one faction starter?

You're counting half the number of miniatures as equivalent? That's cute.

>Then just buy the models you want for your faction and a couple terrain packs.
Now we agree on the uselessness of these sets, aren't we?

Other players you dumb faggot.

>counting models from a different faction you won't play and will need to sell to get rid of