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Missed the post before posting this . Next stop will be some heros and 2 units of infantry and 1 elite infantry , made from roman vets and a hoplite command sprue. This will make it 3x10 units of infantry, 1x6 elite , 3-4heros and a Dragon (reaper bones). I'm thinking about adding a chariot, cav or artillery. The 'fluff' is a temple/cave guard for the dragon. I also have to finish a chaos troll for a nurgle warband for aos hinterlands.
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You are going to run five different armies for the campaign? O_o

Just finished building some dudes for This is Not a Test.

Basically one of the factions, Caravanners, can take units from other factions lists. It's to represent connections they've gained through trading and such.

The first one, who's by far the simplest, is an Alpha Mutant who I decided to make a Fallout-esque Ghoul. When I noticed that one of the wargames factory zombie heads had sunglasses I decided they were too characterful not to use other than that he's just a WGF Apocalypse survivor with swapped out guns.

Second is a Peacekeeper Warden, basically the closest thing the wasteland has to law.

Same torso as the first guy but with some legs from Mantic Games Enforcer Pathfinders and weapons from Warlord Games Apocalypse Z Spec Ops. The head is also Project Z but from the Bikers Leader sprue.

Painting some Relic Knights and Warzone Resurrection stuff last night. Beta testing of RK2e is really shaping up, Sodapop basically rewrote the game and it plays so much better, still niggling issues here and there but so long as they keep listening to feedback(and the other testers keep their heads out of their arses) we're gonna have a pretty slick anime based skirmish game at the end of it. Gamma.con approaches soon, so I'm going to get onto prodos about sending some demo kits for give-aways to participants that come to my table and starter kits to sell as well(maybe, might not be able to get the funds ready in time) start building some terrain for a new scenario.

Gonna hopefully be a good time all round.

Third is a Tribal and by far the most involved kitbash of the bunch. Her legs, midriff, and her upper torso are from three separate minis and each had to be cut to shape to fit.

She also has a railroad sign for a shield.

Last one is actually a guy I built ages ago when I was thinking about making a raider warband for TNT but never finished them.

Mostly Warlord Games Woodland Indians and WGF Apocalypse Survivor bits.

Hoping to have them painted tomorrow, doubt I'll post pics as I'm a pretty shitty painter.

This guy rules

Might as well post one of the salvageable photos from

I've been working on my fantasy skirmish game and should have a playable "alpha" version of the game to post by the end of next week, along with some battle reports to give an idea of how it plays.

Is Advanced Squad Leader a fun game?

Nice. I have an alpha locked away on an old computer, but had some interest in it last time I posted in here. I'll keep an eye out for yours if you decide to share it.

No I've made 5 different army's for Kings Of War
Basilea (Good)
Dwarves (Good)
Night Stalkers (Evil)
Orcs (Evil)
Twilight Kin (Evil)

All 2000 Point.

Nice - which are you using for the campaign? I am going to use The Herd, with leaning towards Good affiliation.

Dale captain.

I asked in /hist/ but I may as well throw it out here as well.

Has anyone played or interested in the new Congo game from Tomahawk? Foundry is making the models and it looks like quite a fun little skirmish game.

Must be a sign of me getting older because I never used to be interested in much of this style of stuff.

I put primer on my new barbarian for Frostgrave, but otherwise today I was busy playing Armada and Conflict of Heroes. Tuesday is /awg/ all day

Star Wars themed 8th edition 40k with some home rules for house rules for force powers and vehicles.

no

why not,

Quick question for /awg/. Anyone know why people hate Knight Models. I play the game and like it but people seem to dislike the company.

I think it's partly that they had another game going just before they got the licence to do the Batman game they're doing now - but they dropped that other game to do the Batman game. Jimmies were rustled.

I haven't really picked up on any strong sentiments either way, but I've heard that their casting quality does vary a little and there was that thing where they had a DC miniatures game planned that was dropped almost as soon as they teased the first minis or something.
There was a major fuckup with the licenses or something.

Now they are doing a Harry Potter game I think.

Do you mean the Marvel game? I know the license for that was pulled after a few releases.

Yeah right sorry.
Marvel, not DC.

They also used to do Star Wars minis back in the day.
Could have made a pretty penny if they still had been doing that while EpVII was hyped up.

Where did you get the torso from? Purely for research purposes of course.

Also I really like what you did with the spears. They actually look like they are cobbled together rather than just being standard historical spears.

That's right. I am betting that they realized that they didn't want to pay premium for the Marvel license, and decided to double down with universal studios to make the Harry Potter game and DC Universe game among others.

That's the problem with licensed games. Licence fees can get pretty nasty.

Basilea or Dwarves if I can, certainly not siding with the Abyssal s.

Who here hype for the new heavy gear blitz kickstarter?

Brigade Models have added some new 6mm SF stuff - 6mm lizard cav and, more importantly, new 6mm human infantry and cavalry to replace the generic infantry in one of their ranges. Yeah, they're south africans, but cavalry are something I'm always glad to see on the table.

brigademodels.co.uk/Blog/2017/06/xenosaur/

youtube.com/watch?v=aeDk6ZeGNnU

Saw them in the FB group - they are fucking fantastic, the tribal girl is easily my most favourite and will probably steal some ideas from you.

Moderately hype.

I'd probably need to offload my CEF and Caprice before buying into any new factions but PRDF and Utopia are extremely my shit. PRDF have the cool head-fin Appleseed/Patlabor look going on and Utopia are straight out of Neo-Geo arcade game bosses/slightly shit 80s sci-fi OVAs.

Those South Africans look boss as hell, and make me want to get back into my 1930s Crimson Skies/Valkyria Chronicles inspired Imagi-Nations project, with impractical as hell dieselpunk planes and Wanzer-style mechs (mostly using Heavy Gear models) fighting giant land fortresses and the infantry hordes of the villainous Turk.

But at the same time I want to get a Brigade Neo-Soviet fleet for my Full Thrust campaign setting to use as the New Earth Fleet (who have cool ships with cool new guns but are led by a bunch of warlike assholes compared to the old fleet who remember how Earth was nearly destroyed last time mankind pissed off an alien empire).

How out of place would 1/55 stuff (e.g. civilian cars) look in "Heroic 28" scale?

Radical.

Do you think their would be enough interest in a wargame built around a modern American civil war with squad based combat in 15mm?

I wanted like 4 or 5 main factions with room for smaller groups for people to flavor themselves accordingly with maybe 10 to 30 dudes tops. Fire team level combat (so groups of 3-6 dudes running around as a unit) with a range finder instead of a tape measure ala Xwing.

>But at the same time I want to get a Brigade Neo-Soviet fleet
They're pretty spaceboats, but I don't think I'd be able to resist going full meme and painting them with adidas stripes.

The problem I have with Brigade's 6mm ground miniatures is that there's too much hover & grav. The new Hammer's Slammers ones look great, yeah, but the rest just make me wish they'd put fucking tracks or wheels on things. Fortunately, the Neo-Soviets don't do that, but there's so many other models that could be good if they had more ground contact, Mercs for instance.

First you gotta think of the title, IMHO, tbqh.

>Second American Civil War?
>American Civil War: Round Two?
>ACW2: Electric Boogaloo?
>ACW2: The South Has Risen Up Again?
>ACW2: The Rise of Trump?

C'mon - help me here.

Just pick the rules, and make something to the tune of Very British Civil War only slightly slanted to the modern times.

>ACW2: Electric Boogaloo
I vote to this.

What's the setup for the campaign?

I was thinking for something ultra cliche: Divided We Stand: the Second American Civil War.

Factions would be the

Republic of California (Chinese backed modern 1st world military with low training and no partisan support)

Texas (modern military reliant heavily on partisan support)

Constitutional America (Pretty much all Red states except Texas/Oklahoma)

The United States (New England area, most elite army with best gadgets in upgrades due to it being the America every other country broke off from)

The minor factions would be in disputed areas around the borders like Cascadia wanting to be separate from California and be it's libertarian paradise, the Mormon enclaves of Utah, La Raza settlers in the SW, I want to leave this vague for people to make up their own factions but will give rules for religious zealots in case you want to play Muslim extremists or for gangs in case you want to play the Hells Angels or Crips trying to shirk off city control while the government is weak.

Main mechanics would be a 5 step range finder for shooting. Certain weapons (shotguns, smgs) would do more damage within a certain range but all guns can shoot out to 5. Shooting *similar* to 40k. Basic morale system. Vehicle rule. Mission goals depend on faction types going against each other.

Mostly I just want a fast, skirmish game set in the modern era with room for "your guys".

I like VBCW and will probably steal a lot from it.

But this is all just me thinking "wow I don't like anything right now on the market" and this was my conclusion.

I literally just thought of it while taking a bath

I agree entirely, which is why I went alt history dieselpunk for my 6mm project. Just go on GHQ and buy a shitload of random early war tanks and armoured cars from nations like Italy and France, most of which wouldn't look out of place in Valkyria Chronicles/Full Metal Alchemist/your favourite weeb dieselpunk thing.

GZG have tracked and wheeled 6mm ground stuff that's good, but they also are allergic to photographing miniatures.

ACW2: STONEWALL *THIS*

>ACW2: STONEWALL *THIS*

Son, I have a couple of folks here that say they're from the 2nd 'Stonewall' Brigade and would like to have a 'word' with ya.
Got a minute?

That's SOCIALIST Republic of California, son, and you've forgotten all about SJW's too. (time for them to show us that 'Warrior' part of theirs)

I'm looking for historical figures to put on my Hippogryph. Anyone have any ideas?
I'm looking mainly for the big ones like Wagglin' Willy, Sal Ah Din, Richard the Lionheart and stuff like that.

It wouldn't be named that way in this setting. It would just be Republic of California and pretty much just all of the USA 50 miles from the Pacific ocean.

The SJW's and Antifa and Oathkeepers and stuff would fall under different variations of partisan groups and can be taken as their own army, or part of a government army if they have overlap in keywords. Like the Hells Angels won't fight for anybody and Antifa mobs won't be fighting with
Conservative governments.

Like the "patriot militia" subfaction is better armed, better at direct combat, and has better morale than "red horde" units but the "red horde" units can place bombs in buildings and is cheaper on a model to model basis. The way I had it worked out is the game would operate with fireteams being the unit type you control mostly so units have health of about 3-6 so red hordes would be wounded easier but their is more health, so countering them would require you to sit down and law out a lot of fire.

California's gimmick would be Chinese funded equipment and training and rely heavily on horde tactics and non-mechanized infantry. Maybe they can take Antifa guys as meat shields.

Texas would be ultra mobile moderate infantry. Can take Militiamen units.

USA would be like Seal Team Six tier.

Constitutional America would be the "average" faction.

Missions would fall under a blanket of Symmetrical Armies, Asymmetrical Fighting, and Street Fighting.

Symmetrical Armies would have higher point values, would involve more vehicles and have more abstract victory conditions that include gathering intelligence or destroying a high value target or recapturing a base.

Asymmetrical Fighting would be terrorists or partisan fighters against state forces. Mostly ambush, bomb defusal, hostage situations, gang crackdowns etc.

Street Fighting would be civilian fighting. Antifa bombing a church? Muslims kidnapping a politician? III%ers playing army guy?

The torso is from Warlord Games Project Z Bikers, the leader sprue specifically.

Well, the top half is from their, the midriff is from the female zombie sprue. Originally I was just going to use the whole zombie torso but then I noticed how, erm, "well equipped" the biker was and decided to use that instead.

I guess tribal girls drink a lot of milk.

Yeah she's my favourite too, although I really like the Warden.

And feel free to copy what you like. The whole reason I post stuff is to show what you can achieve kitbashing. As someone who's not the best painter in the world it's my prefered method of making my stuff stand out.

Exactly what I said when I saw the zombie head with sunglasses. I'm very tempted to go full 80's when I paint him all white with a pink shirt maybe?

Who the fuck is doing stuff in that weirdo scale? Only on the market references were to some diecast Disney Cars stuff.

Hotwheels.

I've recently fallen in love with Reaper's wargaming system. Card based initiative is cool and I already have tons of ideas how to expand this and d10 is best dice for skirmish sized games. Also, degrading stats are something every game should have.

Yo man, I love it too. Wish I could get the books for a normal price in Europe along with the starters.

You'll get more traction on this question in /hwg/

Tremendously. That would be more in scale with 20mm.

>1/55 would be more in scale with 1/76 rather than 1/56
Nigga, what

28mm heroic is closer to 1/35, especially 40k

>28mm heroic is closer to 1/35
Have you ever seen 1/35 figures?

dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Scale_Model_Kits_for_40K
For using real world vehicles in 40k. Mini scales aren't consistent with model scales. The 1/55 scale cars I saw looked too small even for 1/100 scale Halo.

Are you trolling or just retarded? A fucking 1:35 Sherman is bigger than a Baneblade. What everyone lieks to forget is that there are fucking 3mm thick bases under the figures, and they are in outstretched poses. And your comment on Halo...Jesus Christ lad, you're high, or as I mentioned, retarded.

this seems like a weird setting for a skirmish game . Tomahawk makes some good games though

> Weird and wacky native tribes
> European colonial forces
> Private mercs
> Intrepid explorers
> Heart-of-Darkness style cult leaders

Nah man, Darkest Africa is a great setting for skirmish.

I think he meant 32mm.
Wargaming miniatures tend to be on the large side, and 28mm ""Heroic"" especially.

...and 32mm figures are still nowhere near 1:35, which tends to be called "54mm".

Obviously.
Still, looking at them, those 1:55 seem way too small for 28mm, heroic or not.

user may be confusing Xmm with 1:X, I dunno.

I'm on the fence. PRDF are my jam, but the front and side skirt armor being separate parts that you glue to the legs sounds like an absolute pain in the ass.

Getting the ton of ships I have for Dystopian Wars painted before the KS stuff arrives. Because I'm a cuck of transcendantal order.

Yeah, I love their system.

Want to try CAV sometime, but their selection of models is pretty limited. Like there's factions that are missing half the mechs available to them.

Yeah it looks like a really interesting game. My 2 big gripes are:

1) I hate games that use excessive amounts of peripherals like this one does, we have cards, tokens, measuring sticks... why? Why not just use inches and a few special dice instead?

2) I would have liked them to have national factions instead of lumping all the 'white men' into one group.

There's plenty of other rules user. I think there's a set in hwg's trove that solves your problems, it's called Heart of Africa or something, looked good when I skimmed through it.

While on the hunt for Full Thrust resources I found this, which appeals to the /m/ browser in me:

star-ranger.com/Stuff/SBtoFT.htm

Pretty old rules for statting Yamato ships in Full Thrust. Enjoy.

Agree, I'm a big fan of playing ospreys TheMenWhoWouldBeKings though.

What companies do good underwater minis? I'm looking to do an underwater themed demon army and was looking for ideas.

Same goes for old fashioned diver helmets and maybe harpoons or cannons. Was thinking of going full corrosion on the metal as well as crab claws and seahorse colour schemes.

Deep Wars' entire schtick is basically that.

Also check the one underwater faction from Wrath of Kings (Hadross I think?)

recreationalconflict.com/

Recreational Conflict's Lead Bones has Big Daddies from Bioshock in 15 and 28mm.

They look pretty good.

>Deep Wars
seconding this.
Antimatter also have another game called Shadow Sea that you can use for that.

Reaper has a lot of miniatures like that too.

As for the diver helmets and harpoons, Meridian miniatures used to have a system of 28mm troopers with all kinds of different heads, but I think he sold the rights for most of the alternate heads to another company. Forgot their name, but should be easy enough to find.

I've been wondering, how common are actual WARgames (I consider 40k and the like to be BATTLEgames) where the conflict happes on a bigger scale. I'm looking for something like that game where you fight for some part of africa but without the autistic-tier bookkeeping, maybe something that you can play from start to finish in about 8 hours. Have you guys heard of anything like it?

>reading star-ranger.com
>Full Thrust Continuum Edition

This is pretty damn comprehensive for a fan supplement, I am impressed. Combines all the rules from More Thrust, the Fleet Books and the beta rules GZG put out on star-ranger, adds a shitload more stuff (rapid-fire short range lasers, long range precision lasers, tractor beams, gravity guns, various new missiles and fighters, gunboats, turreted and reconfigurable firing arcs, rules for different styles of hangar deck affecting your fighters, and most importantly for weebs like me actual functional rules for axial mega-weapons that aren't the FT 2e Nova Cannon/More Thrust Legally Distinct Wave Motion Gun.)

Plus is has a "Tech Level" chapter where you can total up all the different upgrades your fleet uses and work out a rough estimate of how advanced they are.

I'm in love.

Simulating an entire war (outside of anomalies like the Anglo-Zanzibar war) is generally reserved for hex and chit because on the scale required, miniatures are wholly unrepresentative.

gmtgames.com/

These guys have you sorted.

gmtgames.com/p-65-pax-romana-2nd-edition.aspx

How about managing the whole Roman Empire and delenda-ing Cartago?

>their first kickstarter was supposed to make enough money so that they wouldn't need another.
The absolute state of DP9. Jesus Christ.

Has anyone tried Wrath of Kings? The minis look pretty nice but I've literally never heard anyone talk about it.

Fortan Chandler reporting in with my sad archive of Osprey Books

Adventure, Open Book, Myths and Original War Games

I'm still looking for Steam Punk the Old West and Elf
mediafire.com/folder/08hq9c7x4clme/Documents

Played my first game of ASoBaH yesterday. It was pretty fun, and I ended up winning despite my weird warband setup. In almost every other wargame I've played, I've leaned towards lower numbers of higher-cost models, and that "elite strike team" setup has never worked as well as it did last night.

Indeed, I know minis would be out of the question, hence why I'm asking for something a bit more abstract but also on a bigger scale. Hex and chit is fine on my book.

Thanks a lot, checking right now.

I liked The Andean Abyss from the COIN series. Sounds like it might be what you're looking for. Its 1990s columbia.

I think they did one on the 30 years war that looked neat too.

Check the /hwg/ and /bgg/ if you haven't, they'll have ideas and opinions too.

Um, that wasn't even remotely the intention of the first KS. They've seen saying since that one they were gonna do another to get more plastics made. Itxs been known for over a year we'd get a second one to do PRDF and NuCoal plastics. Not aure where you're getting your info from on that.

Rules are pretty damn solid. Army builsing takes a unique twist, combat ia fairly straight forward and the motivations thing is a nice touch.

My only gripe is that it can be awful symbol heavy and most of them do the same thing.

Same, anything by Daniel Mersey.

I might just pick up some of Foundry's models and use them for that.

I came into this thread to ask about Batman actually. Would here be the best place to post or would it be better to make a dedicated thread?

It'd fit here. Honestly, the only negativity I've ever heard about the Batman game was the price per model.

System is good but firm is known to be shit.
Added spider-man to their system just to not release anything except the initial.
Announcing 6 month later marvel with another release, push out some releases for 5 months. But very much in beta shape.
Then just stop releasing shit, but saying it it isn't canceled. 2 month release DC eith Marvel rule and a month later a pdf updating spidey and marvel.
Then about 3 weeks later throw Marvel and spidey out of the shop overnight.
Announced Harry Potter

Another points:
-Badly translated books
-Requires books to play, pushed out frequently
-official social platform bans freely
-bad communication

Personal nitpicks:
-Get Equiptment and spoiler for crews, never release them (freeze, origanized, Grodd,.....)
-Unfished crews but lets release our 9th batman/joker/harley.
-Tournament prize and Pre-order only rules
-Horrible store support
-no american store support
-powercreep in dc, making marvel even harder to play