/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General Thread

Why the fuck would you want to move to 8E and be strapped to the sinking ship of GW rules?

GW will just fuck them up as always, now FW has complete control of them.

Hey Curzefag, guess what?

Thramas

>now FW has complete control of them.
>has complete control of new rulebook
>doesn't fix any of the mistakes
Bravo Forge World. The future is looking bright!

>How easy are 8th ed rules to learn
It's very easy, the only clunky and unintuitive part is how models move in close combat. Other than that it flows very smoothly and only has 8 pages of core rules to learn, the complexity comes from unit profiles and optional advanced rules.

The main rules for 7E were fine, they were pretty much 90% of what we had in 3E and 4E. The problems are well documented so suffice to say that I'm sure they wouldn't take much tinkering to make them good.

The most public effort is here:
bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334291-8th-edition-legiones-astartes-1106-i-v-viii-xii/

The only problem is that no one's very experienced with 8th ed yet, so don't expect great balance yet (not that there was balance when playing 7th ed games).

8th ed. looks like it's meant for smaller games than we're used to in 30k. Isn't that a major impediment? We'll all be playing Centurion games, basically.

Exactly what I was looking for, thanks.

How is 7th any more inherently suited for larger games?

I've played two games of 3k points in 8th and if anything 8th works even better with large matches than 7th does.
Not being forced to spread out to avoid templates, not having to roll scatter and argue how many hits you got and not having to check vehicle facings really helps speed things up, definitely worth the loss of granularity in my opinion.

Oh, good to hear. I was afraid all the modifiers and wound-tracking would slow it down too much.

I think he just means that as vehicles cost more our armies at 2000pts will be smaller than what we're used to.

Then play a game at higher point totals?

Shocking video of a World Eater training. twitter.com/wsredneck/status/879490681479344128

>Redneck World Eaters
...Not sure if I needed this.

Surprised that no one has tried it yet.

What did you think WE recruited from the Gun Clans were?

B-burn this!

Ragemarines with guns?

Low quality

My mental image of the Bodt Gun Clans was the War Boys from Mad Max. So not that far off actually.

>slav redneck marines

>cyka blyat remove loyalist
>goddamn corpse-worshipping scum in MY god-damned neighborhood
>*blasts space country*
>cyka the south will rise again
>*fires boltnugget indiscriminately
>fucking xenos too
>fukken xiggers I hate xiggers

Please rate my latest. Loyalist, like all good 30k Iron warriors players of course.

Data point of one, but Astartes wielding 8ft bee launchers is a fucking horrifying concept.

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looks clean but idk about the hazards on the helmets. Kinda overdoing the amount of stripes when they ALL have it.

What is the anime figure to the right?

Checked. I hate your hazard markings. They work best when they're used sparingly and irregular. The lines are absolutely dreadful. Mask with tape if you can't paint straight.

Chakia, Yui from Muv Luv and Sakuya from touhou. I don't normally display them but I have a barracks inspection and want to creep out my 1st sergeant.

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My first attempts at freehand. Its hard to get tape that small and effective. It doesn't help that I crushed my dominate hand a few years back during a deployment. I'll keep working on it.

They are average for individual models. I've seen stripes like that for IW missile launchers

Good on you for going loyalist, but I think the hazard stripes on the beaks aren't good. I'd paint over those, but otherwise I like 'em. 10/10 would defend Sotha with.

what this user says, bee launchers are fuckin great. I like 'em.

Cute Chika. Take this.

Ok, what the fuck is going on in this Perterarbo book? Its weirdly pornographic

>Neil: There won’t be any major changes to the game. Instead, the rulebook is designed to be a better resource for Horus Heresy players dedicated to your needs during a game and filled with information relevant to you. A good example of this is the Special Rules section; rules not present in the Horus Heresy like And They Shall Know No Fear won’t be featured, while common rules like Legiones Astartes and Agile will be, making this section, and the book as a whole, much easier to use as a reference guide for Battles in the Age of Darkness.

Enjoy your perma-7, HHcucks.

Elaborate.

If you got it from here an user edited it before sharing.

Ok, well to whoever did it its a really pleasent surprise. I can't stop laughing

Enjoy losing to 250 concript spam faggot

>We really think your 300+point vehicles dying to a single shot is solid balance, and have made no attempt to fix anything that is glaringly wrong with our game.

Woo. So excited for a stagnant ruleset. Yaaaay.

>Not being forced to spread out to avoid templates, not having to roll scatter and argue how many hits you got and not having to check vehicle facings really helps speed things up, definitely worth the loss of granularity in my opinion.

This sort of stuff would be a total dealbreaker in a WWII or modern game, so why shouldn't 30k be given the same level of "respect" (yes I know it's a daddy issues toy soldier game)?

It seems to me that some people hated formations and deathstars so much that they welcomed all the other massive changes and didn't care what else was broken in the process.

>Woo. So excited for a stagnant ruleset. Yaaaay.

What in the world is wrong with heavy tanks dying from a single shot? It's not like that isn't the norm in the real world and in the 30k lore.

I guess enjoy the RTS style DPS hit point attrition game that is 8th.

It's SOOO cinematic.

Aren't practically all marines recruited from feral worlds redneck marines, though?

>Aren't practically all marines recruited from feral worlds redneck marines, though?

Do Whitescars count as feral?

According to Fulgrim they are.

anyone who isn't the 3rd legion are ignorant barbarians who can't appreciate art

This is the second time this has happened, the guilliman primarch book had the same, with Bobby G fisting Marius

So 40k player here just wondering what you guys think about the shitshow that are the new FW indices for 8th?
Now I've heard FW lost their main(?) rules writer and I'm wondering if thats what its about? Are you guys worried about the poor quality rulewise of the recent FW books? I'd heard Inferno was pretty shit as well.

Those proportions hurt to look at.

I-is he a m-midget?

doesn't look that bad to me

I will say that 8th looks smoother, but it's so much less satisfying. You fire a couple Neutron Lasers into a Land Raider and it feels like you're just smashing wounds effortlessly off a giant sponge, even with the degrade charts. The fact that there's almost nothing to the tactics beyond matching suitable guns and melee capabilities to targets (even more so than 7e, since there's no reserve rolls, risky deepstrike or other shit that allow the you to do much other than walk, and everything has Split Fire) and they made wounding simpler it's hard for a weapon to have a niche like Dragoons in 7e or something. You're either an infantry killer, medium killer or heavy killer and there's not much else on the table.

It may technically be a better game, but it just feels so bland and soulless. Armies aren't particularly unique, interesting weapons have just got Mortal Wounds or more AP instead of doing cool shit, no blast templates so you lose those glorious satisfying scatter rolls.

>When you nut but he keeps sucking

share it I didn't catch it.

>It may technically be a better game

I haven't seen a single thing that implies it's a better game, unless people think being able to roll dice and reliably remove all your models as casualties in 1.5 hours is what defines a good game and not much else.

Oh no, FW isn't going to completely rewrite 7th but is at best going to make minor tweaks! If only anyone with a brain hadn't assumed this would be the case weeks ago.

So long as we get all legions' units and characters in 7th before 8th I won't care.

>Armies aren't particularly unique
Everything else aside, I keep hearing this but its not really a valid complaint until Codices come out.

No, Feral Worlds are barbarian marines.

Redneck marines come from the rural areas of Civilized Worlds. And possibly Agriworlds.

>So long as we get all legions' units and characters in 7th before 8th I won't care.

I bet 40k players love how every Chapter is the same now in 8th edition.

8th edition=Looser edition,it is soo fucking basic and annoyng

7th>th

>Roboute Guilliman remained loyal to Terra. His ship was sternly decorated in gold, so much so that it rivalled that of Fulgrim’s vessel in ornamentation, but whereas the Gauntlet of Power was ornate, the Pride of the Emperor appeared vulgar. Its decoration had been applied with abandon – everything that could be adorned had been adorned. Back when the two ships had fought side by side, its extravagance had not been to the taste of the Ultramarines, who were born of more solemn worlds. Now it was an affront to decency, added to and added to again until tawdry obscured all trace of art. Neglect went hand in hand with this ostentation, and it made the Pride of the Emperor appear ugly. It was a decayed relic from a bygone age, like a theatre from a decadent century left to rot in the rain.

That wasn't even Macragge's Honour, Third is below Thirteenth in art.

>Everything else aside, I keep hearing this but its not really a valid complaint until Codices come out.

And then the return of special rule bloat and power creep layered on top of a simplistic and flavorless rules framework breaks that disgusting trance that everyone who furiously defends 8th has been in for the last month.

Thing is, we weren't allowed to complain before we got the rule leaks because "the problems may not be there", then the same before we got Index leaks and when we were debating the Faction Focusses. They went to the trouble of printing some reasonably hefty books and hyping them to shit, and they're about to start a global campaign. Unless you're Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines you're not looking at a codex for a good while, these are the bloody rules and that's it. Yes, I'm going to bitch they're a pile of bland bullshit with so many "they just didn't care" moments you could make a whole army from them. It would have been so easy to do it better THEN, as opposed to some nebulous point in the next few years

Admech players might pick up IA14 rather soon, but that doesn't fix the problems with the base army like everyone is saying the Codexes will, although I'm reserving judgement on my cogboys until after then.

the third towards the end of the HH became decadent, 100 years after their fall it's even worse.

I think too many of us have had bad experiences with an opponent insisting that the template is totally not covering as many men as we're claiming.
>Oh, you think it's five under the template? Looks like two to me, and I'll give you a third on a 4+.

Either it's a tournament setting in which case you can call a judge, or it's a casual setting where you can choose not to play with cheaters.

It really will take time to know whether it works or not. I was around when 2nd ed. gave way to 3rd, and at the beginning we were all using the bare-bones army lists in the main rulebook. Just a very few USRs, very little variation, lots of "use these minis as regular dudes."

Little by little, the codices brought back a little bit of the old flavor and slew of special rules. Not as much, since it was a bigger streamlining than 7th->8th, but some. That's when some imbalances snuck into the game too, of course (nothing as bad as 5th ed. and later).

Look at the difference between 7th ed. 40k and 30k - the same basic rules don't have as great an effect on the quality of the game as all the other things that get piled on top of them.

No, that's bullshit. I played plenty of 3e using the rulebook lists and the armies felt unique and varied. If they could do it 17 years ago they could do it now.

>reminder that the first 3e GT was won by rulebook Nids and not some fancy codex army

>Look at the difference between 7th ed. 40k and 30k

30k has tactical strike and zone mortalis - both neat variants, but which barely get mentioned because players are stuck in the self imposed prison of giant battles on open terrain.

The root cause of the problem isn't the underlying rules set.

>The stink of his corrupted brother made Guilliman gag. His head swam as the daemon primarch’s scent invaded his nose and throat, unmoderated by his battlehelm’s systems.
Fulgrim even smells like pox walker, what a repulsive creature.

>Every breath poured more of Fulgrim’s lethal perfume into his lungs, a poison so potent that it taxed his superhuman body
Big worm faggot won only because he farted so much it disoriented Bob.

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bobby quite literally threw up IIRC because of Fulgrims stank.

Is this a new form of ultramarine shitposting?

That's because at the time, armies had a limited set of units that fit their archetype. But people get mad if you release a codex without new units, so over the space of 15 years they unwittingly filled in the gaps and gave every army everything.

that's not bait
that's a challenge
pick up the blade and defend yourself, foul fishknave.

Worst fucking placement of Hazard Stripes I've ever seen.

>only reason Fulgrim won the duel was because he stunk
>the absolute state of GW and BL

>Ferrus Manus actually saw the death as sweet relief, too sombre and stern to complain or show sings of his unbearable disgust

My, what patrician taste. /hhg/ truly is the best.

Starting now with HH. Post your armies for inspiration anons!

aint got much of an army painted yet, but I guess I could repost this mini bi-weekly until I get around to show more

Have you got some progress done with him user?

Currently working in his eyes and face. Fucker is too detailed for my kills

Only the start of painting my IF, but I have too many Custodes painted

Why did you start with your HQ?

yes but no pictures, I painted the bolter, assembled and primed a veteran seargant while waiting for my gold wash and other colours to arrive

They were test models, honestly. Ended up with lots of extra bits and said "fuck it"