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Also, what's the best AP for shitheads who don't pay attention and are edgelords.

I Remember an Evocation Wizard i once Played. The Image i used was a Standard Black Mage Picture, which was fitting, seeing as he was an Evocation Specialist. Then the party forced him to get a new Wardrobe because A) they were sick and tired of him wearing the same Robes every day and Prestidigitationing them clean. so they forced him to wear a VERY flamboyant looking light lavender suit. needless to say he looked damn handsome with his red hair once the hat stopped hiding all of his face.

It just feels like Archers just stand there and do the same thing over and over...

Hell's Vengeance, probably.

Well archer fighters get to do combat manuvers at range

Is anyone using this? Or Is this just theoretical?

Hawkguard Warder

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Keep us posted on the side story, bruv

I got into an alignment based argument and it lead to nothing and now 2 days later it still bothers me and I feel frustrated

...

What was the argument about? Maybe you just need to vent a bit

Anyone have a pdf of Everyman Unchained: fighter?

Can Good force people to change their ways and become good
Can Good to do war? Can Good conquest an Evil nation and force everyone to become Good or does that make it Evil somehow

Yes, yes, yes and no.

Why do you feel that way

>Can Good force people to change their ways and become good
Alignment isn't religion. You cant force people to become Good unless it's mind rape, which isn't Good. You can outlaw evil practices.
>Can Good to do war?
Yes
>? Can Good conquest an Evil nation and force everyone to become Good
No because that's not practical. Everyone in an "Evil" nation isn't evil just as everyone in a "Good" nation isn't good. Even in some lalaland where that is the case see the above statement.

Changing alignment, espcially from Evil to Good is a really long drawn out process that the person doing the changing needs to actually WANT.

Alignment is cultural
New regime could start settle a new culture into the conquered kingdom to change it

>Alignment is cultural
No it's not.

Any reason why you want anything from Aguanus?

Because funny thing about Pathfinder's alignment system is that it is governed by the Paizo pantheon. There are concrete definitions of good and evil, those being the alignment based outsiders. Anything an angel can do without falling is good, anything a demon can do without....ascending(?) is C and E. Anything a protean does is purple monkey dishwasher.

Coercion is not necessarily good, but if it's not causing harm or putting the person under unreasonable duress, it isn't evil. Depends on how you define "force."

Yes, Good can go to war, it's part of being good that you don't stand for evil.

You can have Good nations conquering evil, but most times the Good option would be to liberate it and give it back to its own people after tearing down the evil regime that rules them. You can't "force everyone to become Good," simply because that's neither feasible nor necessary. Most people will be some flavor of Neutral, and to try and stage some mass inquisition to ensure nobody's Evil would be madness--a waste of resources, a crusade that would only alienate the liberated subjects, and it's basically just this side of Evil already to use such tactics to enforce Good.

What Good armies would actually do is probably be kind to the people they've just liberated, start helping them rebuild and improve their standards of living, and set a good example. That's how you bring about alignment change on a large scale.

Is it good to let an idiot make self destructive decisions?

Of course it is.
Or how do you think in evil nations or good nations people end up growing up to match alignments

Not comparable.

The actions of an individual isn't a culture. Culture's can have good and evil practices, but don't have alignments themselves. Only those that engage in those various practices.

It's a straight upgrade to the Fighter. And I lost mine.

>Walk into thread
>Onryouposting
>Alignment arguments
>Walk out of thread

>evil nations or good nations people end up growing up to match alignments
They don't. Every single person in a "good" nation or an "evil" nation doesn't have the same alignment. Most people grow to be neutral regardless of where they come from. The alignment of nations has more to do with who's in charge if anything.

Cultures have different expectations of whether you allow the idiot to do that though

>still /pgg/ when there is /sfg
For what purpose?

Fuck off, /pfg/ autist. Nobody gives a shit about the name of the general except you and /pgg/ autist.

To trigger your autism.

Lewd game faggots want to erase our proud history of /pfg/.

What's a good build for a cute oracle? What's the cutest curse? What's the cutest Mystery?

Leaders inadvertently affect their subjects
If not the poorest, then the elite atleast

Fuck you, Kawase. As a proud lewdster, I've always stuck by the /pfg/ name.

I'm not whoever that is. I've been an user, through and through.

Max charisma backline support with the Lame curse and Lore Mystery. Be princess-carried while you give advice to your friends and buff them up.

Spirit Guide Life Oracle. Lame Mystery. Be the Cute White Mage that everyone wants to protect!

>been running a PF game for just over a year
>far from my longest campaign
>six players so as to include our entire group
>start out with pretty standard cultist storyline
>only character who actually does anything, has broke-ass 26 AC at level 1, by level 4 he has over 60 hp, AC in the 30s, and +7-10 on all saves
>is a fucking SWASHBUCKLER
>and armiger which I shouldn't have allowed
>realize part way through campaign I shouldn't have allowed any of the 3rd party shit I allowed
>swashbuckler finally dies after running into an orc camp singlehandedly and derailing the entire session as he ran through the woods fighting defensviely
>his death was a mistake because I forgot wraith drain had a Fort save after he tried to hide in a temple and got attacked
>rest of party literally yells at me to kill him while he is running around and tell me to stop being a pussy DM
>kineticist abuses telekinesis to blast open doors at will, destroy buildings, all because "can lift muh 4000 pounds"
>kineticist dealing metric fuckton of damage is actually derailing campaign because I went for "muh story" instead of tailoring CR 8 encounters to them constantly
>witch wants the healing achievement feat (heal 1000 hp to get Maximize Spell on healing forever)
>kineticist hides in rafters of tavern with a 32 Stealth check and starts stabbing people with telekinetic daggers
>witch runs around healing them
>character who owns tavern ends up losing tons of money but doesn't do much about it
>characters rape every encounter of their level, then whine when they go up against a level 12 that they insisted on fighting despite hints not to
>complain about CR > them despite there being 6 of them, and well optimized
>the replacement for the swashbuckler is some cavalier archetype that can aid another for +7 or some shit, giving other characters like 30 AC and + a shitton on saves (Bodyguard feat I think?)
>at this point just want to railroad a TPK into them and restart

You're retarded.

I know, but at this point the pile of my mistakes is so high I just want to wipe out the whole thing and start over. I didn't even cover half of my other mistakes.

>decided I would design an entire setting before even starting the campaign
>now am locked into this shit where I don't want to contradict setting material I already wrote so I can't do much interesting
>whole setting feels boring
>allowed pretty much anything the characters wanted to play
>one character wanted to be a LITERAL DRAAGON XD XD
>another wanted some homebrew race
>finally I ban 3rd party shit
>doesn't matter because they still build broken from shit from 9 different books
>takes me half an hour to look up how their abilities work because they abuse the fuck out of them and don't read the rules
>build an armored wagon and there is really nothing short of Shatter or Disintegrate that can do anything to it because they murder anything that gets close
>and if I tailor attacks against them they get salty that I am "trying to kill them"
>want a way to subtly TPK them, considering a swarm of incorporeal undead but all their touch attacks have saves which get boosted to fuck-huge levels by the dwarf cavalier who isn't even a cavalier

Sounds like you and your group deserve each other.

You'll be pleased to know that the product was improved.

No, you're retarded and not for the reasons you think.

Go play 5e, you'll be happier with that game.

Heavens mystery lame oracle who has to rely on others to travel and just wants to fly in the sky, not bound their crippling injury.

>Go play 5e, you'll be happier with that game.
I was just about to recommend the same. It's a much better system for people who can't be bothered to read the rules.

Literally Sky Raker

I don't see a problem with that.

Explain why.

I read the rules, the PLAYERS won't and I finally got sick of arguing with them, and sick of reading their latest epik character's abilities.

Sounds like you're a nigger.

Fuuko is cute! CUTE!

So I'm talking about my Relic Users subsystem again. I am looking through relics, there are 25 (added another three since yesterday). Relics are meant to be packages of thematic powers that a character can focus themselves around.

Now what I am asking is what archetypical relics/artifacts/etc. should exist that aren't covered under these? Any you as a player would like to see? The current list is:
>dagger
>club
>bow
>shield
>armor
>blade
>spear
>candle
>cloak
>chalice
>pendant
>cauldron
>skull
>bone
>saddle
>idol
>tome
>gem
>drum
>horn
>sack
>spyglass
>crown
>veil
>banner

All relics are defined by a primary and secondary role. For example cloak is:
>Primary: Espionage Utility
>Secondary: Personal Defense

This unfortunately means there isn't a huge amount of design space. I can explain the primary and secondary role of anything you guys want to know more about.

Yeah, you and you're group deserve the fuck out of each other.

/pfg/ give me the lowdown on the Augmented Blade archetype for Soulknife. How bad is it? I like the idea of using the psycrystal as a psuedo-intelligent item, but I don't want to have a really shit class.

>dual cursed Clouded Vision + Deaf.
>gain a familiar & improved familiar for something w/ telepathy
>solar mystery
Shine like the sun.

>proud history
>HEY GUYS HERES THE LATEST UPDATE OF THE LOTLK FLUFFY TAIL LEWD GAME!
>UNF I WANNA FUG DRAKANIA!
>JAR OF PISS!
>*autistic buildposter screeching*
>Futa Tiefling Psycho Rangers
>Lammashtu Bloodborne
>Demother's mask meming
>shota blinkling shitposting
>"I wanna marry a Drow!"
>overPoWered bingo
>pregnant kitsune OP
Sure, such a proud history we have

Except I don't powergame, so not really. Though I admit I pretty thoroughly fucked up this campaign. I am probably going to introduce a deck of many things in the place they are going, which they probably won't even recognize but if they draw from it, it will change up the campaign one way or another.

Man, at least most people recognize why they're shit.

Fuck off. Go play 5e. Or better yet, kill yourself.

>He uses the term "Powergame"
>>/r/pathfinder_rpg

aaaaaaaa DHB

Why am I shit then?

>Fuck off
Nah. Not til you explain why.

>haha he used slang i don't like that means he's wrong
Typical retard-level argument.

>deck of many things
kys. If you can't even control your players and your campaign as it is now with mostly shitty classes, then you need to stop DMing period.

Also, you should've let the swasbuckler fuck die, he deserves to suffer the consequencse

>glowing Helen Keller with a magical devil pet

Sounds cute

>If you can't even control your players and your campaign as it is now with mostly shitty classes, then you need to stop DMing period.

I can, but not without tailoring shit to their weaknesses, and that shit does not exist in the part of the world they are in. Why should I have to change up what is in the world just to BTFO them?

>Also, you should've let the swasbuckler fuck die, he deserves to suffer the consequencse

I did, he wasn't supposed to, though. That was the one and only time I actually fucked up on the rules, so really he might have lived, because that character had ZERO weaknesses.

Faggot

I miss Drowanon

>unironically saying"powergame"
>about players who don't even read the fucking rules

if your players are such lazy fags that they don't know their own characters inside and out IN ADDITION to any and all applicable rules, then they're just shit players.

I normally choose Sin Seeker. A magic flying micropig that makes it hard for people to lie to you.
>d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/sin-seeker/

Gotta find ALL the sin.

>if your players are such lazy fags that they don't know their own characters inside and out IN ADDITION to any and all applicable rules, then they're just shit players.

They do, though, and they know a lot of the rules. They just abuse them and go on for hours arguing whether a locked door counts as an "object" and throwing their rule-of-cool mindset in my face, despite the fact that I let them pull all kinds of bullshit.

Shutup nigger

If Cards Against Humanity has taught us anything, its that Helen Keller is always the right answer

>swashbuckler
>zero weaknesses
Come back once you actually learn how to play the damned game. Swashbuckler is literally the weakest class outside of the Core Monk and Rogue.

Also, if neither you nor your players are willing to read and understand the rules of the game, you need to stop playin such a complicated game and switch to something rules-lite, since none of you seem to be able to handle PF

>wahhh the Swashbuckler and the Kineticist, the LITERAL worst two classes in the game, are overpowered
>These players are POWERGAMERZ!!1!
>They don't even read the rules tho

If I didn't think you were baiting i would be severely disappointed

And playing in full-miracle worker mode doesn't get too obnoxious?

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>Come back once you actually learn how to play the damned game. Swashbuckler is literally the weakest class outside of the Core Monk and Rogue.

He had multiclass with Armiger, some 3rd party bullshit I shouldn't have allowed. He had AC of 25+ constantly, saves were all at least +6, in fact he usually had +13, he had shitton of Panache points he could do more bullshit with, and at least 60 hp. he was level 4, too. Outside of some ridiculously above-level shit, or a bunch of wizards spamming sleep, there wasn't much that wouldn't have sounded like complete bullshit.

Except the kineticist deals like 40-50 damage per round with good Dex to make up for shit BAB. Pretty much nothing lasts more than 1 round against that.

>says his players abuse the fuck out of stuff and don't read the rules
>"but they know a lot of the rules"

Ah, I see, my mistake, I see where I went wrong.

>If Cards Against Humanity has taught us anything
No.

Mirror, ring, doll which I think is distinct enough from an idol, urn, scepter, cloth.

At first I thought this was an elaborate ruse but now there's way too much effort going into it to be. I'm curious what kind of fuck up leads to a Swashbuckler with all this shit.

d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/armiger/

This was where I fucked up. He stacked it with Swashbuckler and had fucktons of HP, his only weak save was reflex and even that was a +5 cause he had 20 Dex and he had shitloads of hp from 18 Con.

Fuck it. Next time I am doing core-only with point-buy, I am sick of this shit.

>Mirror,
Mirror is one I have been having a hard time separating from sack not thematically but mechanically. I want to add it though.

>ring,
I should add it, though it might be rolled into a generic jewelry one with Gem.

>doll which I think is distinct enough from an idol,
I can see this, yes. Doll should be added.

>urn,
I am unsure how to make this mechanically unique from Chalice and Cauldron.

>scepter,
I have been meaning to add a staff/scepter/etc. one. This should be added.

>cloth.
I am unsure how to make this mechanically unique from Veil and Cloak.

These are all ones I have at least considered but I am struggling with the relatively small design space. In this idea Urn would be one of the alternate forms of cauldron, like how Saddle can be Reigns or a Riding Crop and Candle can be a Lantern or Torch.

>rolled stats
Never ever. Did you do any research at all into how to DM before you started this campaign?

>he doesn't screen the 3pp content
>wonders why he has a problem
>decides to go core only, removing one of the only enjoyable parts of this shitty game

if you're gonna do that just use 5e, at least that game pretends to function properly with core

>Rolling stats
This is starting to make a lot of sense.

Not him, but rolled stats can be fun. I had players go through a meat grinder for two sessions to see who survived a siege they were on the wrong side of. Random stats and lots of their friends dying/getting injured to build their small band of survivors. Each time they died or got injured to the point they couldn't man the walls they rolled up a new guy. All level 1, rolled stats in order and assigned a class, spent 4-5 minutes writing a 2-3 sentence back story.

Had a great time, built a fun ragged band.

>nigger nigger nigger
>Hi.I'm.from.reddit.and.this.is.my.first.day.on.Veeky Forums.wav

Asking for reviewanons at this stage might be too much, but can we get a quick rundown on all the Ensoulment apps one last time?

Three days left and I'm sure there'll be last minute apps. Just wait until it closes before we round up and start predicting.

>He had multiclass with Armiger, some 3rd party bullshit I shouldn't have allowed.
>Level 4 with a multiclass,
>Actually being good with damage and stuff
>actually having high panache and pretending it maters despite only being limited to one Swift/Immediate action per round
Granted I don't know what the Armiger is, but consider he probably only has at most 1 level of a dip into it with a level 4 chaacte, I doubt its any good, unless you're an idiot who doesn't understand how muliclassing works.

Also, literally 2-3 Raging Orc Barbarians of around the same level with Power Attack should be able to ill him. Hell, most Barbarians are able to 1shot an enemy of their CR+1

Honestly, this whole thing speaks of cheating and fudging rules, and your player possibly taking advantage of the fact that you don't know enough about the game o correct him. And considering you're the DM you probably have no business runing the game if you have no idea what you're doing.

>d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/armiger/
I see nothing here with particularly abusable abilities, especialy anything that would be limited to level for and hving at least 1 swashbuckler level. Hell, This is basically just a Fighter with AAT through a feet and Mobile Stronghold and a tower shield. If you can't even handle a competantly made fighter equivilent, then you have no business DMing.

Seriously, anyone could make a Core Barbarian that could give the character you're describing a swirly.

Also

>core-only
Nigga, Core is the MOST imbalanced way to play 1pp Pathfinder. I hope you enjoy most people being useless while Caster twist the narrative around thir fings, and the only martial builds being either Multi-arrow masturbation and raging Barbarians with Pwer Attack and reatswords.

Also, with your kineticist, did you make sure to keep track of their burn? Or d you not even bother to read how that class works either?

Also, FUCKING SCREEN YOUR 3PP YOU DUMBASS!

This. Picks are going to be made Saturday evening at the earliest, that gives us plenty of time to speculate.

Other than Ensoulmeme, are there any pfg games accepting homebrew? Specifically Vult's fey healer?

Revised Preliminary List:
>armor
>banner
>blade
>bone
>bow
>candle
>cauldron
>chalice
>cloak
>club
>crown
>dagger
>doll
>drum
>gem
>horn
>idol
>mirror
>pendant
>ring
>sack
>saddle
>scepter
>shield
>skull
>spear
>spyglass
>tome
>veil

Cloth is contained in Cloak & Vein, Urn is an alternate version of Cauldron.