Tyranid invasion in 30K

The Tyranids cannot take on the Imperium as it is now without humiliating defeats.

The Swarmlord, the best Tyranid ever in every way possible, was defeated by Calgar in a 1 vs 1. Even Cassius defeated the Swarmlord TWICE within the same war. Dude, stop the Tyranid wank. They are an embarrassment.

When ordinary marines can outsmart and outfight the best of what the Tyranids can offer, then the Primarchs are untouchable by the Tyranids. A primarch would bitch slap the Swarmlord.

Some people believe that the 'nids are an Old One creation that lay dormant in just outside the galaxy. Supposed to be used as a weapon of last resort.

Theory goes is that it would be the Old One's reboot option should everything go to shit.
Everything sentient would get devoured and then they'd select out the genetic sequences of the species they wanted to reseed the galaxy with.

Would make sense that the hive fleets would be seeded spherically around the galaxy so that when activated, they come in from all angles and nothing escapes.

I think the Heresy would be pretty damn stymied. A lot of the resentment in the legions came from the idea that eventually the Crusade would be over and ungrateful politicians would take over the Imperium. With a potentially limitless enemy to fight, I could imagine that once the threat was properly realised ("Oh wait, these aren't just some random aliens, this is an invasion"), compliance and conquering would be put on hold.
I'd like to imagine the combined might and intellect of Emps and the Primachs would be able to at the very least stall the Hive Fleets in a major way.

You're severely underestimating the early Imperium; this was a time of discovery. Horrific creatures were wiped out across the galaxy at costs so great the Emperor forbade them ever be spoken of. For all you know, the nids of 30k were some of those things. For a species that supposedly adapts every generation, 10,000 years is a long, long time, so it's doubtful even if Guilliman had faced them that he'd recognize them in 40k. Be interesting to know if he recognized genestealers, tho.

Genestealers have been known, presumably unchanged, for thousands of years. They're seeded on hulks; spacefarers have probably known them individually (though not necessarily survived them) for longer. Admittedly the last Cults codex tried to have us believe the first cult was only encountered by the Imperium about a hundred years before Behemoth, but that's still distinct from purestrains.

Besides, all fleets so far encountered have a single overwhelming weakness; they need to move forward, need to continually feed, or they overstretch their lines of supply. Once that was realized by any single Primarch with sufficient men and ships under arms, they'd simply harry the Tyranids until they were starved, then exterminate the stragglers.

You're not dealing with Space Marine Chapter Masters - you're dealing with demi-god sociopaths, each of them answerable only to the Emperor, able to recruit and train superhuman warriors in months (with poor results) or years at most, commanding millions of ordinary soldiers, hundreds of vessels of their own, able to requisition more and call upon alliances with Forge Worlds that have no compunction over deploying anus-inverting hate-powered archaeotech; it's the Legions who would come out on top over any Hive Fleet. Hell, Behemoth's ability to hurt the Ultramarines was just because it headed straight into Ultramar; facing the far larger (and unbroken by the heresy) fleets of the Great Crusade, Behemoth would never have made planetfall.

>Same as he reacts to any xenos: purge the fuckers.
End this meme. The Emperor only advocated exterminating all xenos actively harmful to or competing with humanity. Harmless ones got ignored, friendly ones got incorporated into the Imperium.

No.

The Emperor had Vulkan exterminate Eldar exodites who rescued humans from Dark eldar slavers and then allowed them to coexist with them on their planet.

Source is Promethean Sun.

Nids ain't shit, but how about Necrons in 30k?

The hive mind would shit it self seeing the their food using volkite and plasma in Mass lol

>(10 Space Marines shooting volkite at 50 tormagaunts)
>27 gaunts turned to ash,the other 23 are burned stumps
>Hive mind:MUUUH BIOMASS!REEEEE
>glaive tanks fires it's carronade cannon
>Fucking swarms of nid turns to dust in mins
>Hive mind:omfg

But the Space Marines and Imperium in general have such overwhelming fire power in comparison to their modern day counterparts. Not only are the Astartes Legions massive but even the Adeptus Mechanicus and other factions in the Imperium. There could easily be many times more Imperator class titans and other powerful units facing the tyrannids in 30k.

as a counter-point, the way the rangdan xenocide is vaguely described makes them seem like a stronger and more subversive enemy.

The thing with nids is that nowadays they get countered by massive use of force where the guard bring the majority of forces, but the astartes are only the scalpel to launch decapitation strikes. I could imagine the legions decimating the Tyranids due to the tactics they employ and the more readily available technology they can employ. From the destroyer chapters of the legions, their super heavy vehicles and the vast number of war machines the legions brought to bear.

So? There was millions of space marines at the time of the Heresy. And fluff marines kill much worse monsters than Nids on a regular basis.

Cato Sicarius killed a C'tan shard that was literally destroying a tomb world solo with a grenade.

>ordinary marines
>some of the best warriors from the best, most handsome, most capable, most adaptive fighting force the galaxy has ever known
>ordinary marines

>Besides, all fleets so far encountered have a single overwhelming weakness; they need to move forward, need to continually feed, or they overstretch their lines of supply. Once that was realized by any single Primarch with sufficient men and ships under arms, they'd simply harry the Tyranids until they were starved, then exterminate the stragglers.

Can you imagine Alpha Legion vs. the Tyranids? Every time they make planetfall they find that the world they're on is booby trapped somehow.

>destroying a tomb world solo with a grenade.

A vortex grenade that created a Warp rift that dragged the C'tan shard into the Warp. The text says the C'tan shard was banished, not destroyed.

I like tyranids but come on man

>itt people completely forget about the Rangdans which the Imperium extermianted and were comparable to the Necrons in power

>were comparable to the Necrons in power
Citation on this? As far as I know we don't have any concrete info on the Rangdans other than that they were the Great Crusade's most difficult campaign.

They had mindshackle scarabs on steroids and annihilated an entire Legion of Space Marines. And titan legions. And entire fleets. Info on them is scattered about the Horus Heresy books for forge world. Ultimately it required the Emperor to step in to kill them.

Happens all the time in 40k

That's a random fan theory and in no way supported by in universe or older lore, that states they are simply unbelievably ancient

>Nids aint shit
>Necrons are actually afraid of nids
>Silent king says if nids keep growing soon even a united necron empire cant stop them

Ok

All of the Necrons?

Necrons are not afraid of the Tyranids. The Triarch Praetorian say that the Tyranids, unless provoked, will just ignore the Necrons.

And I wouldn't trust the Silent King in manners of warfare. Imotekh is the greatest military mind that the Necrons have, and he doesn't think much of the Tyranids.

>And I wouldn't trust the Silent King in manners of warfare. Imotekh is the greatest military mind that the Necrons have, and he doesn't think much of the Tyranids.

Silent king saw how many were coming and did an "oh shit" 180

The Silent King is the only one who has actually seen the full scale of the tyranid threat out in the void, and he's saying even a united Necrons race might not be able to stop it. The rest of the Necrons don't know shit and will continue to act like pompous dicks who can steamroll through any threat or waitnit out. Numerous tomb worlds have already been destroyed by the tyranids, they are more than capable of doing so.

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Behemoth, kraken, Leviathan and the smaller hive fleets are beaten at great cost but are ultimately not too much worse than the various other scary xenos species around at that time. Then the next fleets start showing up, bigger and bigger and at greater rates. 30k imperium could deal with the current tyranid threat, they would be hard pressed to stop it he main fleet

There were two millions at best even with the most optimistic numbers

>they would be hard pressed to stop it he main fleet
Just nevermind the fact that the "main fleet" theory is based on scattered bits of fluff, with no concrete evidence to back it up.

If chapters, chapters, a thousand man SM force can create troubles for the bugs, imagine what a whole legion could do.
Also, remember that end-up equipment like titans, baneblades, etc, were much more common and widespread.

they are coming back because they have daddy issues. the swarmlord beats up a naked Dorn while screeching out the word "brother" with tears streaming down its face. then chaos still wins

>A primarch would bitch slap the Swarmlord.
Considering the biggest Ork Warboss (the Beast) in the last 10k years straight-up KILLED Vulkan in a 1v1 fight after the big guy shoved ol' Goff Beastie into a 'Waaagh! generator', you don't even need to bring up Primarchs here.

The second the nids come into contact with Warlord Urlakk Urg's Ork Empire (y'know, the one the Ullanor Crusade was about), the Tyranids are fucked.

Hell, ol' Swarmy can't even kill Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka or even drive the warlord and his Orks off Octarius, and he's at that for a century now. Apparently he's burned through most of Leviathan's tendrils in the process of trying to devour ONE planet.

Nids would get DESTROYED if they entered the galaxy in 30k.

>ones that posed no conceivable threat to humanity at that time or at any time in the future, and could be exploited for food, slave labor, or some other resource were incorporated into the Imperium.

Fixed that for you.

Psychological warfare doesn't work on creatures with no sense of self or fear of death.

Booby-trapping a planet is more the speed of the Iron Warriors. They'd set it up like the Iron Cage.

The Ordo Reductor would have a collective nerdgasm. Their job is to solve Outside Context Problems like this, and they have a truly spectacular array of bullshit superweapons at their disposal, plus Genetors who do this kind of adaptation competition on a regular basis. They helped the Emperor break the Rangdan over the Imperium's collective knee and fought DAoT Silica Animus regularly, this is another Tuesday for them.

The one Reductor Magos we've met in fluff fought on Istvaan III for the duration, built a Vortex Bomb from his drop pod, hijacked two Land Raiders, a Fellblade, a gunship and then a fucking STARSHIP from Space Marines then rebuilt his SM bro into a cyborg psychic zombie. He wasn't even an Archmagos, these guys are creative.

>these guys are creative.
And yet they still haven't figured out a way to properly exterminate those greenskins. Y'know, the most widespread, frequent threat the Imperium had, has, and will ever face?

Aside: according to Index Xenos 2, one of the theories about how Ork numbers increase so fast is their that deities vomit their "numberless progeny across the galaxy with wild abandon".

In other words, some Magos Biologis inside the Imperium thinks Orks are green daemons who can exist realspace.
As an Ork player, I'm just going: "... wut."

Orks are stubborn bastards, you know that. There'll always be some overlooked infestation somewhere in the galaxy, they've had bigger problems to deal with since the Great Crusade wasn't done before everything went Octet-shaped. Also they're not given much love in the fluff even if they're perhaps the single scariest HH army in crunch. Top 3, anyway. They have Decima kicking ass, their section in the rulebook and then a couple other tidbits.

Also, why isn't Mork or Gork spawning a bunch of spores somewhere interesting not possible? Seems like the kinda thing they'd do if they saw something they wanted to get the ladz stuck in with. Still some Magos Biologis are a tad mental, you know the Admech. The Ordo Reductor tends to take the near-heretical ones who are actually sane, they're Admech Special Circumstances.

It would probably silence any Chaos whispers and actually convince the emperor to be more open with allying with other human/xeno factions.

Any initial invasions would be rebuffed, albeit with heavy losses. Granted those losses can be refilled very quickly in the current state of the Imperium, but the shattering defeat, combined with the Emperor being very much alive and well, would be enough for the entire Hive to change direction.

Remember, by 40k the Milky way is essentially feeling just the side of the entire swarm scraping against it as the Hive Mind travels through darkspace. With this kind of scenario, it might be enough to bring the entirety of the the Tyranids onto the Milky Way.

The Emperor may not spend as much time on his projects at home or maybe even bump up whatever secret plans he had in the future to now. Custodes, human webways, and who knows what else may get fielded now, half finished but still quite powerful tools to defend not just the Imperium, but the entire galaxy.

As large as the Legions are, their numbers would be stretched to defend every single world the Tyranids infest, possibly even losing some as they will initially underestimate the thread of the Hivemind. The Primarchs themselves would have their endurance tested from the never ending war it would bring. Death wouldn't come from a single crushing blow from an equal foe, but a million cuts made by a never ending tide of organisms.

Eldar, possibly orks, and dozens of other xenos may get pulled into this conflict as this will essentially be the biggest bug hunt anyone has ever seen.

>Also, why isn't Mork or Gork spawning a bunch of spores somewhere interesting not possible? Seems like the kinda thing they'd do if they saw something they wanted to get the ladz stuck in with.
Mostly because it feels like that'd imply that Gork and Mork are intentional creations of the Old Ones, and not just two VERY terrifying accidents that helped destabilize the once calm Warp during the War in Heaven.

Although having two massive Warp entities that could spawn endless Krork behind enemy lines wherever they were needed would certainly be advantageous to... the... Old Ones...

Oh zog me.

If the theory about Gork n' Mork being able to spew endless ladz into battle is actually true, then the Old Ones are even more short-sighted than I thought! Sure, it's implied that the Ork gods have been around since the beginning of time, but this means those 2 extremely violent, gigantic entities are probably a big part of why the Warp got so fucked up in the first place (You're welcome Khorne...?)

You know, I'm told that some people had abusive fathers, but were still able to go on to be competent writers without bringing it up in every single book.
Just saying.

It been present in all codex since 3rd at least and is mentioned again in the index, suggesting they are softening up the galaxy

The main fleet being way bigger has always been a part of the fluff. 6ed fluff sort of made it seem that Leviathan was the main fleet, but 8ed outright states that the current fleets are just the vanguard and the main fleet is on its way.

>made it seem that Leviathan was the main fleet
>made it seem
Only for fools and nidhaters.

It was always clear to anyone paying attention that Leviathan was just the largest fleet invading from a different angle than normal. It just fucked up by spreading itself too far and trying to nom the entire galaxy at once and then focusing on Baal and Octaria/Octarius (the latter apparently for ~112 years since the Octarius War didn't stop during the 8e timeskip).

Depends who's writing it. That's it.
You can't make a further argument about who would win because it all comes down to that.
If you take a realistic perspective and say that tyranids have probably eaten most of the other galaxys now then eventually tyranids would win.
If you take an imperium wank perspective then the emperor would shoot a pyrovore with some mind bullets obliterating the segmentum obscuris and killing all tyranids ever with warp shittery

what do you mean by this? Which tyranid fleet invades 30k? Behemoth? Kraken? All of the big three? The tyranid outer god itself?

Well Khorne is clearly an ork based on how his art depicts him and his being like an Ork in every way, so who knows that is really going on with the warp.

The tyranid invasion happens in 30k instead of 40k, sonall of them, invading at roughly the same rate they are now

I was thinking it'd be more like Starship Troopers(the movie), where the state of the war is ongoing but actual progress is nebulous.

>Well Khorne is clearly an ork based
Considering Khorne's the only Chaos God Gork and Mork don't mind skimming a little bit of Ork 'war emotions' every now and then, it wouldn't be too surprising if the majority of original warp energies that formed Khorne came from the Krorks.

Gork and Mork do not have a choice in the matter.

>dis humies tryna implie gork n mork wudda naht krump dis korn git ifn he says sumfin

When Orks fight and kill, what part of that energy goes to Khorne and what goes to gork&mork? When slaaneshi worshippers spill blood, what part fuels slaanesh and what part feeds Khorne? If tyranids fight each other does Khorne get fuel from the resulting war? How can Khorne ever lose if fighting him just makes him stronger?

Chaos is so stupid, I really wish they put limits on it instead of "EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE FEEDS THE 4 RUINOUS POWERS AND THERES NOTHING TOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!"

>implying the Ork gods aren't 100% aware about what's going on and that all Ork-related phenomenon doesn't pass through them first before the Chaos Gods know about it

>Mostly because it feels like that'd imply that Gork and Mork are intentional creations of the Old Ones,

No it doesn't.

Orks make Gork and Mork from their collective psychic mumbo jumbo, then Gork and Mork, who now exist, decide it would be cool to randomly throw Ork Spores in random places around the galaxy.

>reminder that Khornes finest thought they could steamroll through Octarius and ended up getting fought to a standstill before they Ran away

They don't run away. The Warpstorm took them somewhere else. Winning or losing, the daemons were bond to whenever the storm moved on.

And we have been through this dance many times.

>the daemons were bond to whenever the storm moved on.
Which left the mortals who'd been tagging along (aside from ol' Kharn) at an extreme disadvantage.
>And we have been through this dance many times.
And if you are who I think you are, you've been wrong every time.

But not in 30k.

Wasn't there a Tomb World that actually woke up during the Great Crusade by accident? I recall a mention of Trazyn cackling of how thoroughly they got curb-stomped.

>And if you are who I think you are, you've been wrong every time.

Nope, you consistently ignore that the daemons are a set timer that will compel them to leave regardless of how the battle was going. This makes you automatically wrong for saying that they ran. Khornate daemons NEVER RUN.

>Which left the mortals who'd been tagging along (aside from ol' Kharn) at an extreme disadvantage.

Mortals are noted to be expendable in the eyes of Khorne. Their blood feeds him as good as any. Kharn and his Slaughterhost are still alive and are still on the warpath.

You are wrong. The only fluff we have says that some tomb worlds awakened at the time and watched the Great Crusade sail through the galaxy. That's it.

Though, they didn't all come at once, did they?

Like, there was a 250-year gap between Behemoth and Kraken, that's longer than the Great Crusade in its entirety.

How would just Behemoth turning up, say from the Galactic South or something, instead of the East, change things?

>muh nids unstoppabil bugs
Come on guys. I thought this meme died in 6th ed when GW realized one faction being the ultimate threat was retarded. The whole concept loses its bite if it isn't resolved in an edition or two of writing.

>88 Legions

>when GW realized one faction being the ultimate threat was retarded.
Clearly they haven't realized that, because they keeping propping up Chaos as some sort 'uber big bad' for the last couple editions...

1. user didn't say a damn thing about the daemons. He said "Khorne's finest". That means daemons AND mortals.
2. I never said Kharn was dead. I merely said he and the rest of the Khornate mortals were at extreme disadvantage without their daemon back-up, and had to retreat off the planet.
You know what we call a retreat?
RUNNING AWAY.

>Clearly they haven't realized that, because they keeping propping up Chaos as some sort 'uber big bad' for the last couple editions...
They're the main baddies like the IoM is the main goodies because they have the most armies and models.

And I don't recall any fluff saying that Chaos will destroy every other faction as a matter of time.

One question nobody's asked is how would the specific timeframe of the Great Crusade change the result of a Tyranid invasion?

I'm not suggesting it happen too early, when it's just the Solar System and a few other colonies, but seeing how things might change depending on when it happens could be interesting.

Bligh said they came closer to killing the Imperium dead than anything before or since.

One of the words most commonly used to describe the current fleets is "tendrils", groping forward in the void.

Tendrils are attached to a body.

>1. user didn't say a damn thing about the daemons. He said "Khorne's finest". That means daemons AND mortals.

The Khornates daemons are Khorne's finest. Among the mortals only Kharn can be considered worthy while the others quality is unknown. In fact, the text says that the Crusade is mainly daemons with the mortals are the riff raff that are attracted by the Crusade so their quality can range wildly. So you are an asshole.

>2. I never said Kharn was dead. I merely said he and the rest of the Khornate mortals were at extreme disadvantage without their daemon back-up, and had to retreat off the planet.

The Mortals dudes are not the Crusade. The Crusades are the daemons. The mortals are the tag-alongs

>The Mortals dudes are not the Crusade. The Crusades are the daemons. The mortals are the tag-alongs
>Kharn and the World Eaters are tag-alongs

Holy crap, you are still trying hard to twist this loss by Khorne's boys into a 'draw' with this crap?
Khorne's Blood Crusade lost at Octarius. It lost 2 times out of hundreds (if not thousands) of successful carnagefest.
Just accept it and move on.

>kharn can be considered worthy while the others quality is unknown
Those are the same overwanked warbands from the daemonkin codex. The ones that do stupid shit like slaughtering an entire planet of tyranids despite that being impossible no matter what way you look at it, or beating Tau with bikes and chain axes.

Just accept that Khornes finest had to leave a battle they weren't even winning, which is called a retreat, which is also called running away

And we have no proof that they came to the party. It says arandom collection of warbands came and left as the Blood Crusade went on. They weren't the main body of the Crusade.

And you can't read for shiz. The lore says nothing about losing and you tried to pass off the random warbands as Khorne's finest and mainbody of the crusade

>Just accept that Khornes finest had to leave a battle they weren't even winning, which is called a retreat, which is also called running away

Forgot this part.

It wasn't a retreat. Like i said, even if they were winning and had the Orks and Tyranids at their mercy, they would have left because they are tied to the Warpstorm that moved them from one battlefield to the next.

>. In fact, the text says that the Crusade is mainly daemons with the mortals are the riff raff that are attracted by the Crusade so their quality can range wildly. So you are an asshole.

The text says that forces joined in and dropped off at various points. it says nothing about them being riff raff, unless you somehow think a bunch of riff raff won 99.99% of the battles they were present in even after the daemons moved on.

>unless you somehow think a bunch of riff raff won 99.99% of the battles they were present in even after the daemons moved on.

No, the daemons won the battles being the main body of the Crusade. As text says, the spreaheads bloodshed attracted the Khornate warbands to tag along and the text says nothing about them being the finest of Khorne's mortals. They are just a collection of warband that happened to join up. Their quality, like I said, varies a lot

>It wasn't a retreat.
The daemons left via warp storm, the mortals are the ones doing the retreating.
>And we have no proof that they came to the party
>Literally shows the area of forces of the 'first and second blades' of the Blood Crusade that showed up at Octarius in >54060295, right above the forces of Octarius and the outcome blurb.
God DAMN do you suck at damage control.

>and we have no proof that they came to the party
Bruh they're literally listed in the blood crusade force chart. How are you gonna call someone out for not being able to read for shit when you can't even find names on a picture?
>Even if they were winning
But they weren't, which is the key difference between this battle and every other battle of the crusade, save one. In every other battle they either completely destroyed their foes or had them completely at their mercy before leaving. That's a victory. At Octarius they had to leave and they weren't winning, they didn't even have the xenos at their mercy. They had to forfeit the match

>the mortals are the ones doing the retreating.

Where does it say they are Khorne's finest as you said? Checkmate.

>God DAMN do you suck at damage control.

And you suck at reading. You said that the daemonkin elite were present in that battle. Where is this said? Where are the Skullsworn?

>Bruh they're literally listed in the blood crusade force chart.

Cunt, I read it. The only known Daemonkin warband on it is the Brazen Beasts and these guys lore is not explored.

The Elite of the Daemonkin Warbands are the SKULLSWORN, They were not present in that battle.

>But they weren't,

Not the point. The point that regardless of the battle conditions, they would have left because they are on a set time. The Daemons objective isn't destroying the Orks or Tyranids. There goal was to reap as much carnage and bloodshed as possible across as many battlefields as the Warpstorm take them.

Also I would like to add that the Brazen Beasts were reduced to a few survivors 5 years before the Great Rift was born.

>985.M41 MIRED IN BLOOD

>The Brazen Beasts face a splinter of Hive Fleet Behemoth on Horos. Though all but exterminated, the Daemonkin are victorious, drowning the planet in Tyranid ichor.

So even the known Daemonkin in that battle weren't at full force.

15 years*

>implying Khorne's finest is referring daemonkin
>ignoring the fact Ka'Bandha, Skarbrand, Doombree, Karanak, etc. were all there
"Khorne's finest" obviously refers to the champions of Khorne, not the 'daemonkin elite' you keep referring to.

See
"those are the same overwanked warbands from the daemonkin codex." Most of the Khornate champions were daemons who were bond to the warpstorm schedule.

The only Khorne's mortal finest that we know off in the battle is Kharn. The Rest are randoms and no-names.

He's shifted the goalposts into an area of the field so small no one is even playing there. No one ever said Khornes finest referred just to the mortals, but user can't just accept that Khornes finest champions in a WAAC list had to forfeit a battle to the Orks and tyranids.

I hear it's a lot easier to reap massive amounts of skulls and blood when you're slaughtering your way through broken armies, not being fought to a standstill.

This has to be what, the 3rd or 4th time since 8e came out that user's been called out on his damage control goalpost shifting?
Or am I mistaking him for Carnac?

Khornes finest is referring to the entire force present, I would know because I posted that.

>only kharn
Well he is the only mortal GW Khorne character they could have listed, there were likely several chaos lords and champions leading those warbands.

Even taking into account that not all the elite daemonkin warbands were there, are you going to ignore the fact that the entire world eater legion was present? An entire legion of chaos space marines, lead by a guy who solos titans, backed up by dozens of warbands and countless cultists, with a full mechanized component, had to retreat from Octaria once the daemons vanished. Defend this shit, Khornefags. The daemons may have been on a time limit, but what excuse do thousands of chaos space marines and their allies have for running away?

Nope, you are one consistently changed things. Look at the posting chain. First when I said that Khornate daemons didn't run, you switched to saying that mortals retreated all while claiming they were all Khorne's finest.

>but user can't just accept that Khornes finest champions in a WAAC list had to forfeit a battle to the Orks and tyranids.

Except that isn't what happened. The text that the Blood Crusade had no destination or target. No goal other than bloodshed and carnage. And also that they are tied to the Warpstorms movements.

Bloodshed and carnage was had and the Warpstorm moved on taking the daemons with them.

>I hear it's a lot easier to reap massive amounts of skulls and blood when you're slaughtering your way through broken armies, not being fought to a standstill.

It easy to slaughter a whole lot if you are given more than a few hours but the fucking text says that the Crusade mostly lasted a few hours due to the movements of the Warpstorms that they rode around. So I heard you are dumbass that doesn't understand the text.

Like I said, EVEN IF THEY BROKE THE ORKS AND LINED THEM UP FOR CHOPPING, THE MINUTE THE WARPSTORM MOVES THE DAEMONS WOULD JUST LEAVE THE ORKS BE. Win or lose, it matter not. The storm was all.

Apparently the Ordo Sinister is similar to the Reductor, except they have the might and intellect of the Emperor and science behind them. So even more actual OP superweapons and shit.

God I love these ridiculous mary sue Ordos and subfactions that pop up. Its like an internal escalating arms race within the Imperium to build the most sketchy and irresponsible superweapons and place them in the hands of the most unaccountable and mysterious factions.

SURELY NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

>Khornes finest is referring to the entire force present, I would know because I posted that.

A lot of force present are randoms that we know nothing of. So by what right did you call them Khorne's finest? They could be Khorne's worst for all we know.

>there were likely several chaos lords and champions leading those warbands.

Of unknown infamy and status.

>Even taking into account that not all the elite daemonkin warbands were there, are you going to ignore the fact that the entire world eater legion was present? An entire legion of chaos space marines, lead by a guy who solos titans, backed up by dozens of warbands and countless cultists, with a full mechanized component, had to retreat from Octaria once the daemons vanished. Defend this shit, Khornefags. The daemons may have been on a time limit, but what excuse do thousands of chaos space marines and their allies have for running away?

A few question. In Traitor's Hate/Angel's Blade, did the Khorne warbands retreat or did they fight to the last. Did Kharn retreat off world or did he decide to fight to the last with his dudes? The answer is that they choose to fight to the bitter end. Kharn was forcefully teleported away by a servant of Abaddon. So any proof that the Khornates mortals retreated?

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we know that tge tyranids have already eaten 12 otger5 galaxies. They're from far away and have nothing to do with the old ones, they may even be older than them.