Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1587: Writefag for your life, fag Edition

Unless you redeem yhem, then they make babies in your brain.

>Obligation isn't the loss condition. It's becoming Enlightened that is your loss condition.
And, uh, how do we avoid becoming Enlightened?

Because the list of Transgressions seems to include "Bringing the dead back to life." at 2, which I do kind of regularly? I mean, 1 is less problematic, but "Mass murder." does tend to pop up in places like 40k.

I'd... rather not risk something like this if we keep it post-jump

Do not.

DO. NOT.

DO NOT!

Well, according to Jim Butcher Cowl would've been able to beat down Mab in a duel if he'd pulled it off. Evil Bob (who stored Kemmler's dark lore) is basically a minor deity of the spirit world and Himmler himself died several times under the combined might of the White Council. Which, coincidentally, Jim also said would be needed to take down Mab.

His magic tends to involve lots of freezing cold and darkness. But also according to Jim, the Erlking and the Summer/Winter triumvirates are the result of something like the Darkhallow but older being performed during Halloween when the stasis of immortality is fluid. So yeah, it's pretty unclear at the moment.

Scathach is great!

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This is a pretty long post about her, but basically tl;dr, she's someone who struggles with wanting to appear serious but really wants to have fun (by fighting) but struggles with reconciling the two.

Well Transgression is more of a mental thing than a hard rules thing. I'd add a line or nine about how it works in the next update.

Why not? Brain babies are cute.

Do I commit transgressions when I violate my moral code or the current jump's moral code?

So is this ready to be jumpedBecause it looks pretty ready

Well okay. Mab, the Queen of Air and Darkness is the ruler of the Winter Court of the Fae. She's basically a goddess, the type of power you'd expect to see thrown around in comics instead of urban fantasy novels. The protagonist – who knows a lot better than most how powerful she is – felt the power that the only Darkhallow we've seen in the books held and described it as being far and away beyond Mab.

Of course, a lot of that is because the guy doing the ritual went out of the way to stir up a ton of powerful ghosts and summon the Erlking, who is a peer to Mab, and the Wild Hunt.

If you pull it off on a similar scale, you'd basically be the strongest thing in the setting that isn't straight out of Lovecraft or able to unravel galaxies with a word.

That wasn't a real Denarian. It was basically a psychic footprint in his brain.

How does this look?

>On the one hand, Obligation binds a genius to humanity; on the other hand, Inspiration tells him to do things that no sane person would ever want to do, and this grinding against the wheel of the local ideal of 'normal' is called a Transgression. This violation of your personal morals, or the morals agreed upon by the vast majority of local populous, with the use of Inspiration is what makes the event so jarring. A Genius could murder a person in cold blood with a knife all day long but using Inspiration to do so unhinges the system a bit more than your usual serial killer.

Not yet.

I don't see why this setting is so super speshul that it needs its own loss condition, especially one that persists post-jump.

Sure, they're cute, but potentially getting the back of your head blown off during the birthing process is a real downside. And that's not to mention the migraines that go along with it during gestation.

Also has a point. It wasn't really the Demarian in the first place.

Just let it drop post-jump like literally every other fucking thing.

Is any of the disney princesses waifu material?

Well as it is, it's not really a 'new' loss condition. Just me explaining that Enlightenment is death.

See above.

fair enough that I get some benchmarks for Greater Wonders ? would something like The Dome from ultimate Marvel be possible? what about a Vaulted Archology that continuously makes itself bigger on the inside? or a combination of the two.
Depends what you go for

I'd REALLY still rather be rid of it post-jump, especially if it works on other's morals. Damn.

But I suppose it's at least contained to stuff that uses Inspiration.

Reading bits of the supplement pdf, it looks to me like an anti-insanity perk will take care of it?

Megara

Might be best to just say that you can't become Enlightened post-jump.

Why? Insanity isn't death. This is you forcing your retarded houserules on everyone who takes this jump.

Have you ever been surrounded by jackassery and awfulness in any world? What did you do about it?

read it again, it's ego death, not insanity. And there's already precedent for This kind of thing the changeling jump

Left one. The irony is that I'm a god.

Reminder that 'I Won't Say I'm in Love' is the most tsundere Disney song ever.

>Have you ever been surrounded by jackassery and awfulness in any world?

yeah

> What did you do about it?

steal all their cookies

The Enlightened have had all that they use to be bured away, It's ego death.

What page? "Enlightenment" doesn't turn up anything for me. And no, unless it literally causes the universe to erase you from existence or renders you entirely brain-dead, then it really isn't.

Just look at the pdf, there's example Wonders from page 397 forward.

I think you're confusing Enlightened with Illuminated. Enlightened is the Lemurian term for Unmada, which the Lemurian background makes you by default.

Secondly, being turned into an insane vessel for a corrupting supernatural energy does not normally count as death in Jumpchain. It's bad enough that doing too much reading of scientific literature in a day can force an Unmada check and drive you crazy in the first place, without adding the failure condition onto it.

Well sure, that's bound to happen eventually in any chain unless you stick to the mostly nice worlds. As for what I do about it? I try to fix things, because my Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain antics have less of an impact if everyone is being dickish. And because it's the right thing to do, though I won'd admit that outloud.

She's on the short list of non-shit tsunderes

Who else is on the list?

Page 34. Paragraph above "The Consensus" in the pdfs of the game that have been posted here.

So? Unless it's bundled with a more traditional form of death, then it shouldn't count. There are dozens of ways to lose your mind in such a way, and none of them should otherwise count. And unless you specifically take perks to prevent it, it's bound to happen anyway.

Would using a pokeball on Shenron work? If so what would there be to do with him?

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>What did you do about it?
While making the sacrifices for it was dificult, I have not once felt regret for buying the "Punch people through the internet" perk in GVW.

So amnesia drawbacks should count as death? Just amnesia in general should count as death? No, that's retarded. It's not death unless it's literally death, or brought about by some other way that would usually kill you. Like some forms of teleportation where there's a lack of continuity.

IIRC it burns away your soul as well. It's not really you anymore, It's a Science Cthulhu wearing a you suit.

Nah, he's no pokemon. Same way it wouldn't work on humans.

In my opinion it should be dropped post Jump just like the Exalted great curse is.

Humans are Pokemon, though.

Considering that it can work on god-like entities, where do you draw the line between pokemon and non-pokemon?

The Dome would be possible. The latter part might be possible, with the apex of several different Axioms. As for a combination of the two? I don't think so as just a Greater Wonder.

Anti-Insanity would help a person keep a high(er) Obligation and as such be better off then the usual Genius yes.

I guess.

Ah sorry we just call it Enlightened not Illuminated.

It's not the insanity it's the ego death. See and
As for the Lemurian background. Well to use the other guys term. You are the Science Cthulhu so it isn't a threat.

So? There are literally perks you can buy that take away your "soul". It's not necessary for life. If it's not literally death, then it shouldn't count. Also, I can't find anything to support that assertion unless you just count the "soul" as an extension of your personality.

I'm growing to hate this fucking Goku-face.

Both because Goku's a shit-tier character, and for the dumb shit that accompanies it whenever it's posted.

>45 seconds ad in the vid

>There's no such thing with Denarians.
The question was about joining the Denarian Order?
Like taking orders from Nick? No. Never worth it.

Just picking up the coin(s) for a power up?
That can be a good idea, but you would really want some Perks from other jumps to keep you from getting taken over, or to do a reverse possession on the fallen angel in the coin.

They are insidious, and maybe not by just by compelling persuasion either. In the latest book Dresden thought one of them was editing a hosts sensory input to make them take actions based a made up view of reality.

But if you are immune to that somehow, or have the spiritual mojo to to attack their soul directly, or hollow out their personality and turn them into a empty husk that grants powers if they try and fuck with you, you can pick one up.

>Not even with an equal partnership?
Nick might be an equal partner, and his wife and daughter. Might. Note that the daughter got manipulated into killing herself to open a door instead of some other disposable knight.

But there are perks in the jump that would make them treat you fairly. Do you have those?

What can be done? The things I'd have to do to make them stop are worse than anything they can do on their own.

>It's not the insanity it's the ego death. So fucking what? "Ego-death" isn't death. This is your houserules. It doesn't even kill you in the traditional sense.

>"Hey guys, you know what sounds good? Moving the tournament that will result in universes dying to TOMORROW!"

>"GOKU WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS"

>"Because I want a good fight!"

Do you realize how many forms of insanity could be considered "ego-death"? There are a few.

>"The Illuminated are not fooled by Mania: they are Mania. The Illuminated have been consumed by their own Inspiration. That alien light burns away their personalities, leaving nothing but a swirling vortex of Mania and alien logic. It's estimated that about 20% of all fall to Illumination eventually: 10% more or less immediately and 10% over the course of their lives. Most of the latter are Lemurians, but no one is entirely safe. An Illuminated becomes "genius," rather than remaining an individual genius. As a mad scientist succumbs to Illumination, raw Inspiration swallows up the genius' personality. He becomes something amazing and terrible, entirely devoid of human feelings or thoughts, a mere conduit for the deranged energy of genius as it floods into the world. The Illuminated are dangerous and magnificent, transcendental mathematical intellects wrapped in the guise of mortal flesh, their actions unpredictable and dangerous. Whatever motivates the Illuminated, they are often as beautiful as they are cruel, capable of composing grand and monstrous projects, as Maniacal light from another world spills from their eyes"
^This^ is a form of death. Just with really fancy results. A direct quote from the book.

How the the fuck did real Goku become a bigger fucking retard than TFS Goku?!

Becoming 'Enlightened' being an loose condition isn't an issue after this jump ends, right?

And various anti-corruption or 'your personality stays the same/ you are you' perks can keep you from loosing obligation by committing sins in the first place, right?

GVW?

I'm pretty sure they don't consider that death on a fundamental level, rather than just not getting what you're saying.

They're free to have that Sword of Damocles on their head and risk losing their status as Jumper to pure mad science, but I'd personally prefer that not be the case.

Yes, I'm looking at that quote, and it's only "death" by your houserules.

Megara (Herc)
Misaka Mikoto (Raildex)
Morrigan (DAO)

There's my short list

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He will not stop bitching, just so you know. He's all booty bothered now, and will happily keep going all night long.

None of that counts as death. This part on the other hand, probably does.

>Geniuses don't know whether Illumination changes a person or replaces him, generates a new thing or allows an existing being access to our world, whether there are many Illuminated intelligences, just a few, or just one.

Although it does leave the possibility open to GMs that the person isn't replaced and is just crazy.

However, I think you're underestimating how easy it is to become Illuminated. You just need to get a dramatic failure on two different Unmada checks, which is likely given that most jumpers will quickly hit Obligation 2 or lower (3 is the level of committed per-meditated murder.) And just spending more than 6 hours a day reading science magazines is enough to provoke an Unmada check.

Not true, it canon does work on humans but silph co puts in a chip to keep it from working because of past incidents.

That is a very short list.

I believe in truth in advertising

...Wait, really? That's hilarious.

I wonder if I could remove that then...

I wouldn't do that if I were you.

Toriyama.

He wants the series to end so he can stop working on it. That's literally all it is.

Fair enough,there goes 400 points,I don't suppose I could have Multiple aesthetics could I?

Why not?

Well, you were entirely truthful about its length.

Probably.

Oh, I missed one: Aeryn Sun from Farscape. That increases the size of the list by 33.3%.

Can't he just he just say fuck off I'm done? Is he stuck in a bad contract, or something like that?

I'm not going to rule against that. I mean those are all things that you could easily rule, but Jump to Jump interactions aren't for me to be the final arbitrator from.

Huh.

I guess we have different reading then? It's death.

As the Jumpmaker I guess I've gotta just put my ruling forward on this. It's death. As for the whole Obligation thing, as I said before you could kill a guy in cold blood but as long as you didn't use your Inspiration in it it won't effect your Obligation. That's a Jumper thing though.

You can if you get (Not so) Consistent Technology.

I think it's a bad contract, yeah. Let me look up the exact details.

No, since Shenron is a temporary entity that only lasts until someone makes a wish before dispersing into dragon balls, and those dragon balls are inherently linked to their Namekian caretaker (Kami early in the series, Dende later on) so you can't really keep him around outside of DBZ either unless you also bring them along. He doesn't really do anything besides make wishes.

Nobody knows what happens once you turn the safeties off.

Good news, everyone! The Left 4 Dead jump is almost finished! I just need to come up with drawbacks for the infected other than gib fest survivors Also, I got a name.

Which setting's moral system is it dependent on? Do we get to choose the civilization as well? Different cultures have different morals at different times.

Regardless, it's kind of stupid for a jumper to go insane for doing something they feel is morally right merely because other people feel it's morally wrong. Do willpower, mental resistances, and morality perks help at all?

>As the Jumpmaker I guess I've gotta just put my ruling forward on this. It's death.
Okay, ask yourself this: Would a one-up perk work to prevent or restore you from this condition? If the answer is no, then it's not death. Death might very well be a more desirable outcome, but alas, you haven't died.

Okay, if you're going to force your inane houserules on anyone who takes this jump, then it needs to be removed after you leave. You do not have the authority to rule not only on other people's jumps, but their entire chains as well.

Will there be a Witch companion option?

I don't think 1ups cover this sort of death.
They help with actual physical death rather than identify or personality death.

Yee.

I think you need to fail a willpower check before an Obligation violation actually does anything? So I'd say those things would stop it.

Not the most relevant of observations, but from what I read of Genius, I think Obligation being arbitrary and unfair is part of the entire reason for it existing as a game mechanic. Makes actually being a Genius suck though.

Well, on the subject of writefagging, can somebody point me to some jumps, other than Pokemon Trainer that are good chain-starters?

I'm asking because literally every chain I've ever done has started off with that jump. Considering that I still know jack-shit about the IP, I feel like I'll make myself physically sick if I start another chain like that.

>Shitposting
Please just stop already.

...I'm gonna level with you, without context?

Could be both.

Off the top of my head, only Mulan. I've heard good things about that Tiana girl, though.

>straight out of Lovecraft
>Straight Outta Lovecraft
>hardcore crunk rap battle crew of Great Old Ones

That accurately describes my first forrays into Creation, yes.

A lot of the companions I travel with can tangibly sense moral alignments. From their point of view, the place is like a mashup of Wonderland and a 404 error. The first time Brigid met a rowdy bunch of Dragonblooded, she got a headache and couldn't decide whether to smite or bless them until one of them backhanded a waitress through the windows (He quickly followed, through the wall). Scanty and Kneesocks had to go and lie down after mumbling about "crazy rururs". And Morrigan kept complaining she felt unusually holy all of the time.

Systematically trying to pull society up by the bootstraps to make the world a better place is easier said than done. You infiltrate the Guild in the hopes of corrupting it into a force for actual good, but then you find out half the House reps in the region are counting on you for celestial crack deliveries, taking up the resources needed for your Shadowland-eating fungus plan. A year later you're STILL having to micromanage the company you usurped because fate ninjas keep hiding in your teacups, and only half of them want to assassinate you. Everything you own's already stretched thin just to maintain a decent standard of living for the cities you run by proxy, but THEN it turns out a Lunar ate half your stock, your hidden valley of young Solars took the Eyeless Face for a joyride while drunk at the pub last night and your secretary was a Raksha with a REALLY convincing moustache all along.

Look, what I'm trying to say is-I tried to do a little good on the down low by correcting some minor crises, but found they could only be stopped by EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS CRISES.

I'd question that if not for the fact that I've seen tons of waifu and porn art of her

No. Either this counts for the purposes of one-up perks, or it doesn't count at all, because it's a condition separate from death and thus isn't death.