Warmasters' Triumvirate XX

This is supposed to take place about a year before the Assassination of Malcador? Or is this pre-Ullanor even? Post-Ullanor, pre-Assassination makes the most sense to me.

I'm assuming said Archaeotech is Hashut? The campaign should show Mot's greedy, wrathful, envious side. Y'know, everything Hashut embodies. It should be where Hashut kind of goes "yeah, this is the guy who can make me a god".

>I'm assuming said Archaeotech is Hashut?
Yes, sorry I should've made that more clear. Marduk knows that it's actually a daemon, but doesn't know the full details and assumes it's one of the big four that'll corrupt Mot. This might come back to bite him when his patron gods get pissed that someone made a potential rival for their power.

I thought Hashut was part of a Khornate pantheon of lesser warp deities?

It's never clearly defined, though at one point I think he was a bloodthirster that got kicked out of Khorne's realm for doing magic. He then found the chaos dwarves and taught them sorcery.

Maybe, but we're not going with that. He's a Greater Daemon of Chaos Undivided, but becomes a Lesser God in and of himself. Him being a Daemon of Khorne wouldn't change much, though.

It's less "going crazy" and more "stopping holding back on psyker power usage and bringing the Mountain Warlocks and other psyker specialists in", but if the front is going to collapse, the Mountains alone are not going to be able to hold it together for long.

PROMPT:
What alien raiders plagued your legion's homeworld before the rediscovery of the primarch, if any?

Mot Hadad's homeworld, which I am renaming to Zharr-Hadad, suffered from periodic attacks from Eldar corsairs. Before Mot's rise to power, most of the city-states were powerless to stop such raids, but Mot put a stop to them personally when he broke the back of the corsair prince in a decisive boarding action.

The Death's Heads are, at this point in the timeline, mostly involved in their fighting in the Ghoul Stars against the Cythor. They might have token forces on the Ullanor Crusade, but most of their weight is in the galactic North-East.
They could get dragged from this front to fill in the Ullanor Crusade after the fall of the Emperor, which would definitely make Einchurt unhappy at whoever ordered it, since that means leaving millions of Army soldiers and civilians to face a threat they weren't supposed to.

Taiga never really faced any threats from Xenos. There are some old legends containing creatures that match the description of Eldar, but other than that, Taiga's interactions with Xenos are practically non-existent. Though the planet itself might be a Necron Tomb World, not sure yet

I should probably expand upon my ideas for the Cythor, make them a bit more of a fleshed-out threat

What do you have on them so far?

Not much on biology. They're mostly raiders, they prefer cannibalizing things rather than designing them on their own. Their weapons primarily fire large metal spikes, although razor-disci are common thrown weapons/offhand weapons for them. Their ships are usually shaped like blades or spikes, and the armour plating actually comes down to an edge, allowing them to slice into enemy vessels. This means the larger ships (cruiser and battleship classes) have basically two sides (they're usually arrow-head or broadsword-blade shaped), both sporting a lot of guns. When they broadside, the ship actually rotates along an axis. One side fires, and as that side is reloading and rearming, the other side comes to and does the same. Escort-class ships are more spike-shaped, usually with about four or five main sides mounted with guns. These ships are extremely fast, and make rapid attack passes by spinning and firing of volleys of shot and dropping mines and bombs in close proximity to an enemy ship. The spinning motion, combined with the uneven distribution of thrust while doing the maneuver, causes them to move extremely erratically, making it nigh impossible to calculate correct firing solutions.

Basically, most things I have are in regards to their fleet.

>One side fires, and as that side is reloading and rearming, the other side comes to and does the same.
I think I remember a greentext story where a rogue trader party did the same thing. Cool stuff.

well that sounds like the most metal thing since titanium

now that you mention it, I think I've seen it too
I'll take that as a compliment, thanks man

Anyone else got input on the Cythor?

Answer to the prompt

Eldar Corsairs from Caerbannog raided Iuma and enslaved the entire population.

Kane lost....

>Greater Daemon of Chaos Undivided
What kinds of daemon fall under that umbrella? I can't remember ever reading about them before. Daemon princes of Chaos Undivided yeah, but not Greater Daemons

Nice trips.

Greater daemon is the closest thing that I think we can classify Hashut as, but he's probably closer to a minor godling in the warp at the time of his liberation by the Forge Lords. He's powerful enough to avoid influence by the big four, but weak enough to avoid their notice (I'm operating under the assumption that he is imprisoned by the Eldar, and not jealous agents of the other ruinous powers). When he attains true godhood with the help of Mot Hadad and his sons, he's nowhere near as powerful as any of the other chaos gods, and so requires mortals to act as his agents in realspace because summoning his own daemons is even harder than those of the other gods. Despite this, the big four are not pleased with his apotheosis and so other heretics aren't very willing to work with his servants.

I'm personally fine with everything you're doing with the Hashut angle, it's something different and interesting. Also it gives Mot a lot of motivation and a bit more character depth. Feel free to add when these events happen to the timeline table I put in the thread links tab. So everyone knows exactly when it's going to happen.

I'm not quite sure yer, but I know it's very close to the outbreak of the brotherwar.

I'm alive, but on vacation.

I'm not sure exactly how close yet, though. Suggestions would be welcome.

It'd be interesting if it was only shortly after Ullanor, give plenty of time for the corruption to take root

Something a little different, to show how Kincaid would end up

>Kinnévail Kincaid lounged in dark contemplation, absently strumming a lute lost in his reverie. His chamber within the vessel was nearly pitch black, lit only by the glittering of starlight and the flitting illumination of a candle. Kinnévail was ever fond of such anachronisms, anything to remind of him of better times, when the ale flowed like water, song hung like smoke in the air, and violence was just and good. A time when his band of vandals and misfits roamed Kaliborn from end to end, from the Snowy peaks of Yvar to the deserts of Jakhistan to the fel-marsh of the Shrouded Isles. A time where she drew breath... A single tear welled in a stormy eye, rolling off and staining a fine linen bandage. Good. Let his hubris and vanity mar the scripture, so he can never forget, never forget his failures and those of witches too weak to reign in their own hellish power. Damn them. Damn them all. His fingers danced across the strings, stunningly masterful by any metric, but Kincaid knew he would never be able to play the same, sing the same, dance the same. A normal eye or ear couldn't perceive a true difference in skill or quality, but it was something Kincaid felt, his malformed skin turning deft hands stiff, bandages snapping taught with every movement. His life was torment and agony, and his only outlet was tainted by the loss of those he loved. He supposed that was the difference, not in skill, but in the soul of his music. He could not play a happy tune without recent history souring his joy. He couldn't play a somber tune without surging with vengeful rage. But these where his inner most thoughts, his heart of hearts. His brothers and sons could not see such weakness, such doubt. His father would not bear such a sight.

>Kincaid set the instrument down, gingerly lifting his humble candle and carrying it to a wide canvas. The candle shared its warm light with the canvas, giving life to the rich oils upon it. A man with deep skin and exotic features gazed down upon him, an array of lashing light billowed out behind him in a radiant halo. The man had dark hair and tempestuous eyes set boldly in a visage that was very similar to the once Kinnévail once bore. The resemblance was clear between father son, though Kinnévail was once of fairer complexion, and yet the son paled in comparison to the father. All the Primarchs did, even the greatest amongst them. How could they not see his obvious divinity? Because of his denial of it? Their father was divinely humble, how could they not understand this? His beauty, his strength, his infinite love for mankind, his endless knowledge? Kincaid, knelt before his paltry representation of the man who bested him in all things, yet showed him the way towards glory. In Kaliborn prayer to one's ancestors was common, and Kincaid was never one to kowtow to some absent "almighty" power. But the Emperor IS a god, at least as close as one can be and still be worth revering. Kincaid didn't know what to say, prayer was alien to him, yet he felt it was necessary, vital. It seemed an eternity passed passed in the dark confines of his chambers, then a solemn vow conjured itself forth, "I will show them, Father. I will show them the path."

Well written man. I like it. Now we just need to figure out the who, when and how he got burned.

Checking in from Taiwan. What have I missed?

Who's Kincaid?

He's the new Yochin. Functions pretty much same, what with being a major driving force to found the ecclesiastical Imperium, but with different flavor.

Groovy. Looking forward to seeing how he turns out.

This is exactly what I hoped Kinnévail would be like. Good shit.

It can happen. They're rare, but they're not impossible. The only alternative would be to make him a Greater Daemon of Khorne that used magic, which wouldn't change much, but still seems wrong.

I doubt the Death's Heads need to be involved. There are actually already more than enough leigons present. He could show up for the after-party though.

It's me btw

Kadir was infested by Orkz of different tribes, mainly in the mountains, but also pirating in te seas, too. They were kinda shy, not attacking too much outside the mountains until a warboss reunited the tribes and started to raze and plunder villages outside them.

Manaan did not suffer from alien raiders. The reason Manaan was so well armed despite that is that the Raakshas, as the Manaanan people called the Titans, were used to keep the population in line.

Manaan was rather unique during the Age of Strife though. Unlike most other human worlds, Manaan had regained most of its technological prowess. They knew Manaan was not the cradle of humanity and that other worlds were out there. They just didn't know why their space ships didn't work.

We're not quite done with the Heresy itself yet, but there's something in the immediate aftermath of it that came up: the Codex Astartes. Specifically, who writes it, what's it say exactly, and do the Seperatists have their own equivalent?

So first off, who writes it?
There's 7 Loyalist Primarchs, so who does it? Linares doesn't want to split and Raj is dead, so that leaves 5 potential candidates. The foremost suggestion seems to be Solomon, but I'd like to hear some thoughts.

Then the size of the chapters. I think we can all agree that the OU's 1000 man strong chapters isn't that great. I suggest we increase the (max) size of the chapters to 10,000, with the legions and chapters deciding how big they are themselves.

And lastly the Seperatists. Do the Seperatists split their legions, and if yes, why?
My personal preference would be for them to do so; it works better when balancing the power of the two factions and successors allow for different Astartes cultures and tactics, but I think it's something the SepAnons should weigh in on.

Einchurt does write a document on his theories for the future of the Astartes, which his Legion uses to split after he vanishes
Whether the other Legions give a shit, though, is different

We could maybe expand on that and have him write it in conjunction with the likes of Solomon and Je'She. Then it'd almost be a guarentee the rest starts using it.

maybe some Sep Legions do and others don't. Like, the legions whose primarchs are indisposed are more likely to spilt, and it's not always a legion wide agreement. perhaps some chapters are formed by marines basically just going "I'll make my own Chapter, with Blackjack and hookers" and actually following through on it. These "Renegade" chapters might still be loyal to the Seps cause and so they aren't gotten rid of because they are loyal and useful to the Separatist movement.

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Makes sense to me. So essentially the Seps would split apart more naturally, as opposed to being forced to at a singular moment like with the Codex? Does raise the question on just how long the Sep Primarchs stick around.

Linares' works on the art of war are oriented towards swordsmanship and melee fighting. Maybe drop assaults and general tactics to use in the battlefield. Logistics and Organization are things that he don't master as much as other of his fellow brothers, so he wouldn't write too much in that matter.

Maybe something about illegal modifications and how to conceal them to the Mechanicum

Could the basis of the codex be something written by a traitor ala the Lectitio Divinitatus, seeing as the guy who writes W3's equivalent is a loyalist? Like, maybe Mot wrote a book of tactical doctrines much of which was integrated into the Codex.

Regarding the *Codex*

I'm going with the "Treaty" explanation. The Book would still be created from necessity, but not in the same way as in the OU. In the OU, Chaos was THE enemy, while here we got 2 great enemies to fight, with fronts spanning whole sectors. The strategical flexibility is much more important there because you have 2 huge fronts, with enemies attacking from several points. The Chapters would be big enough to answer the calls and win, but small enough so they aren't a logistical miracle.

The Imperium can't afford to have small chapters so in case one defects the damage is minimal. Inter-Chap relations are difficult and as fluid as fuel-oil, even more if the Chapters are from different Legions. Having a big Chapter pretty much excludes the necessity of calling for reinforcements to other chapter, thus reducing friction and allowing a more fluid operation

...

Perhaps Solomon creates the draft, but is actually the culmination of various Loyalist Primarchs and other characters, such as an prominent Custodes (my horus-heresy knowledge of them is limited at best) or important humans. Perhaps Malcador made some rough drafts or something as a back-up plan in case his mediation didn't go down? Which it obviously didn't. Since in this AU he's pushing up space daisies

This could be the solution.

Stovokor's small forge empire came under regular attack from a number of odd xenos species, some of whom would later pop up at Rangda. Their general tendency was to keep watch over a larger area than they actually managed or could reach effectively so as to have advance warning, ie remote sensors.
From there it was a lot of fortresses, robots, and titans.

Had a look through most of your documents, some good stuff in here guys. My favorite Legions are the Sentinals, Iron Guard and the Chosen of Hecate (But I think you should have stayed with the original name you had for them).
Where is the info on your Emperor's Dragoons Legion though?

Glad you like it user.
I might be wrong here, but I think that, if the Emperor's Dragoons still exist, they're called something else. We definitely need to update that chart.

If I remember correctly, their user is currently busy with life things, but is active on the Discord and here occasionally. They should be able to be more active soon

Glad ya like them mate. By old name do you mean Warpclaws? That was kinda a throw back to when I had the stupid idea to make them Rat marines haha.

I like this idea. It creates some definite distance between the Loyalists and the Separatists, ideologically. After all, I'm not sure the seps would let anyone that wasn't a space marine have any say in something akin to the codex.

So I've been reading through the red book work done so far.
For CoH I was thinking maybe:
>CoH models gain fearless if within 12 (6 if to OP) of a dreadnaught.
>CoH venerable dreads can be taken as HQ unit which goves them 4+ invuln save from Iron halo at no additional cost.
>If a CoH dread is destroyed all CoH units in Line of sight must immediately take a pinning test.
How's that sound?

Following the assassination of Zelbezis, there is unrest among the Generals of the Iron Guard. His murderer's faction fails to federate the other conspiracies, leading to an internal unrest in the Legion. To distance themselves from both the dead tyrant and his usurper, they adopt different liveries, and call themselves variant names. They all still adhere to Zelbezis' Liber Bellicus, meaning a nominal strength of 10 000.

It's worth noting that not all of the legions might need to split into chapters merely because their numbers are too low. The Space Wolves and the Salamanders in the OU have very few foundings for the same reason.

They don't HAVE to necessarily. In my personal opinion however, I feel that in allowing for groups to split off from the parent legion, you allow for more diverse stories further down the line. Silver Blades can only fight Ogre Legionnaires so many times, ya know?

That's true, but I find It hard to imagine that all the legions come out of the heresy unscathed.

Oh, right, I must've misunderstood you. Yeah, I do agree with you, some legions must've gotten fucked. TM would make sense, but I've actually got ideas for successors.

How any losses do you imagine the Forge Lords take? How fractured is the Legion after Mot attains daemonhood?

That would depend on a number of things.
First off, the question is how many forces he has at his disposal in the first place. He has his own legion, couple of knights, probably a large chunk of the traitor guard, but who else? Are people alright with the idea to give Mot command over all traitor marines from the Sep and Loyalist legions?
Second, the question arises of just how long the First Eastern Black Crusade lasts. Do they run as soon as the Siege of Terra ends? Or does the Crusade continue? Do warbands from the other traitor legions join after the Siege of Terra proves a bust?
Third, what exactly does Mot do anyway? Taking on all the Seps alone is quite the herculian task. What kinds of strats does he employ? Does he actually care enough to play it safe?
And lastly, what does Hashut actually do for the Bronze Lords upon his apotheosis and how late into the Crusade does it actually happen?

>Taking on all the Seps alone is quite the herculian task
Mot's not exactly alone. He's got the Gorgomongers helping him out, though that alliance is probably extremely strained what with them being Xenos and all. Actually, Do you think Mot serving Hashut be a problem for the Gorgomongers? Seeing as they seem to exclusively serve the big four.

>Gorgomongers
We're actually doing those goofy fucks? I mean, Chaos xenos auxiliaries are cool, but how about we don't make them ugly ass Squidward nosed ogres?

The Blades would emerge from the dust cloud pretty scarred. Their Primarch is gone, and their battle style is prone to having lots of casualties, as the more shooty Legions can rekt them from afar while they try to get into melee. They have their boltguns, but boltguns aren't as effective against blobs as earthshaker's shells. Think of 40-50k men lost from one reason or another. Plus their Primarch is gone with nearly half a Battalion and the retinue. They would have to settle down first, then split.

Rokuten here, still on vacation. The Gorgomongers despise unorthodoxy and lesser gods. Any "alliance" would be an agreement that the Gorgomongers will rampage in that general direction.

Would you rather they have handsome Squidward's nose?

I'm going to say that about a third of the forge worlds in the galaxy have sympathies for Mot, with maybe a quarter of those actively embezzling war materiel for him.

After Marduk realized that he fucked up and released a rival to his patrons, I imagine that he plans for Mot to eventually lose the Eastern Crusade, while still giving time for the rest of the traitors to break Terra. Naturally, this doesn't go according to plan, and Mot's crusade lasts for far longer than anyone (including Mot) expected. This culminates when Hashut reaches the point where he can achieve true godhood, grants Mot the position of Daemon Primarch, and the Forge Lords all retreat into the eye.

The Eastern Crusade is a guerrilla war. Mot has his Forge World allies declare independence from the separatist cause, making the separatist legions go to besiege them, while taking the Forge Lords to break sieges at significant worlds. During all this he takes pains to muddle the waters so to speak, and many of his war parties paint their armor a myriad of colors to sow confusion.

Continuing with the Warp Crusade story:

The Khornate horde advanced slowly towards the human lines, some daemons roaring, others waiting for the massacre to start. The glorious bloodshed.

Kane was summoned by the shouting of his brother. He was sent to either kill Linares, or make him angry enough to be abducted by Khorne himself. He would make a great Daemon Primarch. Killy, angry and big. Just. Perfect.

The horde aproached more and more. The Astartes soldiers aimed their boltguns and heavy weapons, hoping for the blood rain to cease, and the horde to vanish. But they were in their very own realm. The chances of that happening were... none.

Kane yelled the hatred battlecry: BLOOD FOR THE GOD OF BLOOD

And his horde replied, SKULLS FOR THE THRONE OF SKULLS

And they charged. The hordes rushed towards the Legionnaires, outnumbering them 2 to 1 at least. Reinforcements were called, and the Argentean maneuvered to firing position. The bitter screams of the insane Astartes filled the ground of the Silver Blades Legion, and everyone felt more and more insane. More and more angry. More and more killy.

The Assault Marines charged the horde while their Battle-Brothers supported them with a continuous hail of bolter and plasma fire. Some Tactic squads charged, too, and the Argentean fired a single shell towards the hellish army, destroying many of their warp-made bodies and creating a large crater in the battleground.

The blood rain continued to fall, tirelessly, healing the wounds of the Khornate Daemons and aggravating the Blades' wounds. A single daemonic host charged towards the waiting Primarch, followed by the very Deshain Kane. The 2nd Company stopped the host from reaching the Primarch, but let the traitor reach him. They couldn't even stop his warriors, they won't take down the Daemon Primarch

Dorado rushed towards a bloodletter that was about to kill Martí, who was trying to support as many Battle-Brothers as he could with his assault cannon. The bloodletter changed his target, and went for Dorado. The daemon launched a blow to Dorado's left pauldron, while punching his chest at the same time, and then attacking his legs as soon as he could. The Astartes stepped back, and, while dodging an attack from the bloodletter, attacked his bare chest with the sword. The blow destabilized the daemon and openned a window for Dorado to cut throught his left leg and then cutting his head off. Another bloodletter attacked him from outside his field of view, and injured him in the left arm. The entity was to finish Dorado off, but the sudden roar of an incoming beast distracted both fighters. The daemon jumped back, and Dorado could get up, just to get smashed by the huge body of the Daemon Primarch being thrown away by Linare's charge, so furious that even Khorne would be proud.

The traitor got up, and so did Dorado. The Astartes met with his squad again, and prepared to fight the host once more. The Daemon Primarch attacked Linares with his hellish guns, hitting him three times, one in the leg, the other ricocheting in the pauldron and the other in the chest. Linares nearly fell down because of the sheer strength of the impact, but was able to stay up. He would have better fall, because a sudden kick threw him to the ground, meters behind. Kane jumped over him, and started to punch him wherever he could. Linares dodged some of those punches, but received more than enough to make him doubt of his own survival. No time to waste, he thought. He punched the fallen primarch in the chest and in the head, confusing him and giving time to scape from his grasp. Linares recovered his Silver Slayer, and thrusted a blow to Kane. He deflected it, firing at it with his guns. The Slayer nearly fell from Linares' hand, and Kane punched him again.

Linares' injuries were getting worse as time went by, as the rain didn't stopped. The Silver Blades' Primarch was exhausted for reasons unknown to him, and the traitor prepared to deal the killing blow. And suddenly, autocannons. The Argentean dropped to nearly the planet's surface, and oppened fire with its defensive turrets towards the daemonic host. Many shells landed right into the Daemon Primarch, or near it. The Silver Blades started the tactical retreat, and Linares accepted defeat. The host ran towards the fleeing Companies, but a rain of Promethium shells stopped the tide. The remaining groups were picked up by gunships, and the Gloriana Battleship returned to orbit. Many bodies were left behind, their gene-seed lost, and the wargear scavenged.

"We have failed, Romero. I have failed. I failed Raj. I failed Father. I failed everyone."
"That isn't true and you know it. We have done much more than necessary. We all could have died. Let's get back to Kadir."

That said, the Argentean set course to an open rift in the Empirean. And everyone could breath calmed.

The engines roared when they got back to life. All the ship trembled, and the voyage back home started. Many Battle-Brothers were took directly to the Medicae, and others were summarily executed directly for they lost all their remaining sanity. Many had nightmares for years, and the damaged wargear was considered lost in many cases.

The ship sailed slowly between the Warp Tides, following them throught the calmest ways. Something was sailing them alongside the Argentean. Something that looked like a Slaaneshi whale.

"Weirdest. That's what it is"
"Are you OK, sir?"
"Yes, I am. Thanks for asking. ETA?"
"Like 2 days, sir."
"How many time have we been down there?"
"A couple of weeks"

The serfs in the bridge started to creep. Dataslates showed something moving behind the ship.

"SIR, SOMETHING BIG IS BEHIND US!"
"The fucking whale?!"
"No, I'm reading energy levels as high as the ones of a space station, sir. Definitively not the whale"
"Damn it. Options?"
"General Quarters, and run as fast as we can"
"DO IT, DAMN IT!"

The ship's alarms rang, and everybody went to their battle stations. The ship came to a halt, engines at maximum and everything nominal, but the ship remained stopped.

"WHAT THE..."
"Calm down, Linares!"
"DAMN IT, ROMERO. DAMN IT!"

A battleship stopped right besides the Argentean, the gravity grasp still holding the ship with iron grip.

The ship was identified as one of the Forge Lords' Glorianas, but no records existed of such technology being ever implemented in their ships.

"Options, sir?"
"Gotta get the hell out of here."
"Yessir, but how do we do that?"
"Let me think... Toaster, energy readings?"
"Still space station-tier high, sir"
"If we destroy their generators, we win."
"And how do we do it?"
"Deep striking with Termies, Romero. Deep Striking..."
"That will certainly sentence them to death"
"They, or the whole ship"
"Understood..:"

And the Terminators got ready. The Boarding crafts were ready, and everything was set. The parties left the ship with an only objective in mind: To reach the generators and wreck them.

And so they did. The fight was short, but fierce. The Silver Blades' Terminators were no match for the Forge Lords slaves that ran the ship, and even the fallen Astartes had a bad time fighting against them. The generators were disconnected, and the Argentean broke free. The Terminators, in a last desperate action, tried to blow the ship to pieces, but they couldn't reach their objective in time and were killed to a man.

The Argentean quickly resumed her voyage, and returned to realspace shortly after the incident.

There, a surprise awaited. Everything had changed. The Legions splitted up. Some brothers were dead...

It was nearly ten thousand years later.

"Back to the past, Romero?"

Gotta get back

Does that make Isekho Scaramouche?

You know it, babe.

Behold, a Doomsinger

Looks good man, Can't change the hair color? I had that problem too, what color would you use instead?

Red, brown, or blonde

Natural northern European haircolors

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random fag who has slight interest in this
who is the guilliman of this AU?

simple and sincere curiosity, please answer kindly

In what sense? The tactical flexibility, the empire-building, etc?

There isn't a clear 1 to 1 comparison I think, since things fall apart quicker and vastly more divided.

I've only been here for a short time to my answers aren't the best

>There isn't a clear 1 to 1 comparison I think, since things fall apart quicker and vastly more divided.

I was expecting this, I wasn't thinking about an exact comparison either. But was also thinking that someone would fill the role

I wouldn't narrow it down, though.
My question is about approximation, the guy that more closely fills in the role that guilly did.

just so I can get a compass on this should I come more to these threads. I feel it becomes easier if I draw parallels

I personally see it as the Emperor's Dragoon's Primarch Frederick Aristide. He leads the seperatist and forges a new empire. But the user has been on holiday for a bit.

Well I can only really speak for myself, being new. I'm in charge of these guys who are basically all loyalist noise marines, but the Primarch has spun wildly out of control as far as parallels go.

Imagine if Fulgrim landed on Fenris but was raised by scholar monks, but becomes horribly disfigured after some Perils of the Warp and devolves into a religious fanatic like Lorgar, but without the Emperor to stop him. Makes the Ecclisiarchy and ruins everything.

Query: How technologically flexible are the separatists? Is there a line they do not want to cross? What about Psychics and Warptech?

Technological advancement is one of the things that actually make the Seps different from the Imperium. The Separatists do not feat advancement like the Loyalists do. This means that they don't lose the 30k era tech and that they also make some advancements in other fields.

As for lines they don't want to cross, that would depend on where in the Separatist Union you actually are. The Dusk Phantoms and their associates go pretty far, whereas others might be slightly more careful.

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That would make sense. Also means that we can have Gyahdred messing around with forge affairs to counter this and if he's doing it on the DL, it looks like Gyahdred is up to more strange mechanicum ritual. One more reason for people not to trust him.

According to the doctrine of Stovokor, all beings have an omnissiah nature, which is clouded by fear and attachments. The sutras contain schematics for thoughts and machines, and the greatest of these is the STC, of which it is said that if one comprehends the complete text, then one will become enlightened. However, the complete text is not required and by meditating on the math and the sutras, one may comprehend and be enlightened. This can happen by degrees or in an instant, but this understanding is a recovery and resumption of our innate omnissiah-nature.
There are four great illusions, wrath, despair, certainty, and desire and the four great cosmic God-Engines which serve the Unbounded Engine each oppose one of these illusions.
So a forge will have four great doors, at each of the cardinal directions and at each will typically stand a great representation of one of these mythic titans. More on them later, but these depictions are also laced with sacred machine cant and usually have some sort of link to the forge defenses.
One major debate in this sect of the Mechanicum is whether all omnissiah natures are the same. Gyahdred seldom speaks on it, allowing the debate to continue. In M35, when the inevitable happened and people went pants-on-head over it, Gyahdred issued a sutra from his cogitator banks, the best known line of which stating that in omnissiah natures, the similarities of each are all different, but the differences are all the same.

If the Sky Serpents were Confucianism: The Legion, then the Dusk Phantoms are Tibetan and Mayahana Buddhism: The Legion.

There's four titans, though for most forges, lesser engines, such as knights or automata will suffice.
The Northern one is black.
Eastern Blue
Southern Crimson
Western White

Each one opposes a different illusion, but the precise mythos varies and may overlap with actual campaigns against various xenos. For example, on many worlds, the Northern Titan opposes the Orks (Wrath), and so is equipped with a rapid-fire anti-personnel weapon and a close combat one.

Anyways, what all this means is that machine canon is less important on these worlds. It's not a delimitation of what can be, but a guide-post to enlightenment about the underlying universe.
As a result, combining STC constructs is entirely permissible in for the Dusk Phantoms, at least in theory. Machine spirits can be fussy, but if one can merge the systems on paper and keep them powered, etc, then there is no reason that you can't try your best to coax the machine spirits into complying.
Thus the Dusk Phantoms armory contains most any imaginable combination of components. There are some limits, though, for example, items from forges that have incompatible machine codes. It's easier just to build an armature to fire the gun manually-- you just can't mix Tellurite and Accatran components, they won't talk to each other.

The Doomsingers have three Chambers that the chapters fall under, Chambers Valdor, Fyrax, and Balamüt.

Each one has a slightly different culture, Chamber Valdor exalts "true" Imperial Culture being "His Song" (The Emperor's), Chamber Fyrax emulates the cultures of Kaliborn Septima being "My Song" (Being Kincaid's history) and Balamüt being influenced by Pre-Primarch legion culture in the Goal of forging a Unique identity and the purest expression of the Doomsingers (Our Song).

The Doomsingers are honestly the best Legion to split apart Codex Astartes Style, the Chambers fostering a sense of friendly competition and allowing for a great deal of flexibility to make up for Kincaid's lack of Generaling skills.

Balamüt eventually becomes an orgy of renegades, plague marines, noise marines, bezerkers and Eternals (Thousand suns Rubric Marines but with fire instead of dust) and Malalite psychopaths. They are as much of a danger to themselves as they are to the other factions.

The Doomsingers have three Chambers that the chapters fall under, Chambers Valdor, Fyrax, and Balamüt.

Each one has a slightly different culture, Chamber Valdor exalts "true" Imperial Culture being "His Song" (The Emperor's), Chamber Fyrax emulates the cultures of Kaliborn Septima being "My Song" (Being Kincaid's history) and Balamüt being influenced by Pre-Primarch legion culture in the Goal of forging a Unique identity and the purest expression of the Doomsingers (Our Song).

The Doomsingers are honestly the best Legion to split apart Codex Astartes Style, the Chambers fostering a sense of friendly competition and allowing for a great deal of flexibility to make up for Kincaid's lack of Generaling skills.

Balamüt eventually becomes an orgy of renegades, plague marines, noise marines, bezerkers and Eternals (Thousand suns Rubric Marines but with fire instead of dust) and Malalite psychopaths. They are as much of a danger to themselves as they are to the other factions.