Do Imperial Fists and Raven Guard Primaris Marines have the missing organs back...

For Primaris.

Doesn't the latest book say he had Geneseed from the two missing legions as well, and this really freaked Big Blue out?

Chad Marines are just normal Marines with 3 more organs I thought. So technically they can make old Marines with all the old organs now if they wanted to. I do not know about adding missing organs to a marine that is a couple hundred years old though. Stands to reason that they can though if old Marines can upgraded to nu-marines.

He told Guilliman he wanted to use geneseed from the Lost Legions and the Traitor Legions, and Guilliman said absolutely not.

Excoriators user

>Be 10,000+ year old Archmagos improving the work of the Omnissiah himself
>Some Primarch says he "can not" do something Omnissiah himself did in his infinite wisdom

TECH HERESY IMMINENT

>TECH HERESY IMMINENT
Oh, I hope so.

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>cawl calling someone omnissiah or using the word "heresy"

cawl is emperor tier fedora.

Tell that to the Inquisition monitoring Chapter numbers, Captain. They'd love to hear about your 'guidelines'. =][= allows creative accounting with specialists, drivers and pilots but that's about it

Yes, they have the missing organs back, and chapters who want to harvest Primaris marines for gene-seed can also harvest the gene-seed for those replaced organs as well now. No more defunct/missing organs if the Chapters don't want there to be.

Whether they will, on the other hand, is a different quest. The RG already basically go "not muh" at their Primaris and ostracise them.

>Space Wolves
>Black Templars

Don't forget that immediately after Rowboat told him no, he thinks to himself that Cawl absolutely cannot be trusted to not just go ahead and do it anyway.

Cawl also says that "the flaw of the Lost legions was with their Primarchs, the gene-seed is not a problem" and that Robby knows that perfectly well.

the inquisition thinks they have any control over the Astartes

>Space Wolves
The most special snowflakes of the bunch
>Black Templars
They have legal reason to go over regular numbers. Crusading chapters are allowed to recruit marines to do their job and prepare for heavy losses, Black Templars just never stop crusading. I'm glad that they were retconned back.

>tfw planetary governors saying the Codex says Rowboat can't put Space Marines in rulership positions in Ultramar

Dark Angels too, in some ways. Not that the Dark Angels give a flying fuck about the Inquisition, pretty sure I remember an Inquisitor coming across Dark Angels hunting the Fallen and then having a mysterious accident before he could communicate anything back to the rest of the Inquisition.

Not over 9 first founding chapters but they can make Celestial Lions out of any other chapter.

Dark Angels backed their legion building with bribes and blackmail. It's a different story.

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They can't do shit to the First Founding because the rest of the First Founding will back them up, and where the First Founding goes, their successors are highly likely to follow. You fuck with, say, Raven Guard, and Salamanders will back the RG. Screw with Fists, Smurfs turn against you. And so on and so forth, because the Chapters understand that if they let the Inquisition get away with coming down on one of them, then they can come down on all of them.

The same extends to some other Chapters, but it depends on the Chapter. Chapters without that influential pull get ork snipered.

>You fuck with, say, Raven Guard, and Salamanders will back the RG.
Now that you've mentioned them these two chapters sound like the one within the Inquisition reach. If we forget for a second about plot armor, they could be destroyed by =][= if need be. They are the least numerous and rich, don't have many connections and leverage within the Imperium. Salamanders have no recognized successors, Raven Guard successors are far and few and their approach to warfare wouldn't let them mobilize their forces to defend the progenitor chapter.

They're FF, that's all the leverage they need.

>They're FF, that's all the leverage they need.
That's plot armor I was talking about. Not all FF chapters are created equal.

Are you aware that Girlyman, pretty much ignored the codex right? and he is going to FAQ it?

Reading the wiki, the lost legions were probably two closely related individuals who either pretty much got the worst of the scattered by the Chaos Gods deal and ended up more fucked than Angron, noted for being removed by Russ, because they supposedly over saturated their ranks with Spess marines.

Notably, it's mentioned in addition to their memory holing, that they're dead, or otherwise, lost for-fucking ever in some manner, which probably had to do with the purge, so one can speculate they may have never cared for the Imperium and decided to go fullblown everyone is spess mareene now, or they misused their powers and gifts of the imperium for ill-gain.

They apparently had a lot of potential, so whatever caused their erasure was probably something big. Personally, I think they were involved with A.I before it went rouge, so I could imagine some kind of horrif-Borg Spess marine unit.

Man I wish they would officially redact that shit and go back to the 'your primarchs' stance

That part was more important than Gorillaman. If he turns back to the old legions, High Lords and other Chapters would have a good reason to confront him. Dark Angels legion restored could challenge him as usurper and proclaim their dead primarch and their Chapter Master in his wake as the Lord Protector of the Imperium. Dear GW, please let it be the Robot Heresy.

That said, the reason for Guilliman being against it is that pretty much all the Primarchs had a really bad opinion of it, Emps included, seeing as they got memory holed for a reason. I suppose for those two, the past should stay in the past for a reason.

It also borrows from the redemption arch present in the HH with guys like Garro and Qruze, or the Thousand Sons redemption arch through the Blood Ravens.

It is also related to the split between the pre-contact marines and those drawn from the homeworlds of the Primarchs. The nature vs nurture argument was present then, as it is with the Chad Marines being of traitor stock.

>=][= allows creative accounting with specialists, drivers and pilots but that's about it
No one cares as long as the chapters aren't acting like shady motherfuckers. Like refusing to pay gene tithes and shooting up the IRS when they come knocking.

It's kinda weird what he's doing in Dark Imperium. On one hand, he's insistent that he banned the legions with good cause and has no intention of restoring them. But on the other hand, he says Ultramar was intended to be a beacon, a symbol of what the Imperium could be, but he smothered it. So he's restoring Greater Ultramar to relight the beacon anew. But to that end, he's creating more chapters to defend it of his bloodline, and distributing rule among his successors, creating a psuedo-legion structure (which admittedly is by necessity if you're going to govern a region that large, but still none the less smells of legion building. Even the people present noted it)

He's already made marines using those gene seeds, and has reported that they're just as good as the rest of the legions. Gorillaman refuses to let full production happen. Cawl thinks it's retarded because the emperor created each legion for a specific purpose and not using half of the legions available to them is limiting their tactical flexibility. I really hope at one point we get to see loyalist Tsons and Iron warriors, etc.

There's always the loose canon stance. The worst that could happen is some autist shrieks at you on the internet.

I honestly doubt it's anything special. They probably just fell to chaos or some shit and got purged from memory, just like the traitor legions got purged from the public's memory. It's only a big deal because it was relatively contained creating a big air of what-if and there was no precedent. That's my take anyway.

None of the marines in 40k are old enough or have enough balls to confront a living Primarch and lord commander of the imperium

Only bjorn would, and ironically, many traitor marines from 30k and guys like huron

40k DA view Guilliman with such awe and reverence that the only other person above him would be Lion or the Emperor. These aren't 30k legionnaires with a tribal dedication to their legion and Primarch, these are guys born into darkness and despair for over thousands of years who think primarchs are gods

>loyalist Tsons
I, AM GAB-RE-AL AN-GEL-OHS, KAP-TAN OF THE BLUD REHVANS.

>Cawl makes primaris tsons, red armor, psyker bullshit, whole nine
>loyalist tsons suddenly become avid kleptomaniacs
>collect "artefacts" from every expedition they're sent on
>act all secret-y about it when they're questioned
>start developing weird dramatic accents
>mfw we just made more blood ravens

gabriel stole primaris geneseed to upgrade himself for DoWIII

>Implying that the Blood Magpies wouldn't have just 'borrowed' Cawl in the first place...
"Ah, Tech Magos Cawll. So good of you to gift us this secret base and all of your research."

Yes, according to Cawl all forms of Primaris astartes have all the organs they should including 3 new ones. Non-primaris marines with missing organs still have missing organs, it's only the primaris marines that are fully decked out.

>The Blood Ravens turn up to Mars to be "gifted" some Chad Marines
>Steal the Thousand Sons Chads
>Guilliman finds out there are traitor Chads and has them all killed
>The Blood Raven chads are mistaken for the missing Thousand Sons and killed instead

They call this stratagem Pottery Rain

>"This is madness! Even I can't make you that much bigger! It would be tech-heresy!"
>"Lord Cawl, how about we call it a...tech-GIFT instead?"
>DOW4
>Gabriel is now Knight sized
>still doing mad flips with his now tiny hammer

TACTICOOL GHENIUS!

>Dawn Of War 5: Find Guilliman's Head
>Gabe is now Imperator sized, wielding Imperial Knights in each hand as Cawl weeps for the Omnissiah

>DOW 6: Sindri's Revenge
>play as Angelos, the Living Planet
>with a moon-sized hammer

Sort of, but they've got the Fists' masochism thing going on.

>Dawn of War 7: This Box Aint Big Enough
>Angelos, now galaxy size beats back tyranids wielding the Planet of Guardsmen

>Kek my sides.
But in all honesty, is Gabe's size difference that significant between 2 and 3?

He's a big guy.

Oh... oh my.

For you.

I think they might have been corrupted by C'tan/Necrons.

>The RG already basically go "not muh" at their Primaris and ostracise them.

Source on this? Is it because the Primaris are similar to the Raptors during the HH?

Just wondering, are primaris marines part of chapters gonna have chapter rules or squad organization, or will you end up using the proper primaris codex as allies with your chapter? Will primaris codex have chapter tactics style things or will they have one generic list?

There's no way this shit is official. Space marines are orks
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>Notably, it's mentioned in addition to their memory holing, that they're dead, or otherwise, lost for-fucking ever in some manner, which probably had to do with the purge, so one can speculate they may have never cared for the Imperium and decided to go fullblown everyone is spess mareene now, or they misused their powers and gifts of the imperium for ill-gain.
"Maybe this, maybe that". So much conjectures, have you never read any Horus Heresy books? The traitors still won't speak of them, not even Horus. It's funny how they call for the plundering of the Imperium...but still honour that oath of silence they made to the Emperor so long ago.

It's from the Dow3 boards, and apparently an official unit comparison. I mean, I understand the decision to make a commander/hero a bit taller to improve gameplay a bit, but he's really massive.

It's like someone interred him in a dreadnought and then built a terminator armor for the said dreadnought and then had the whole shit put into a centurion.

I don't really recall dow1/2 heroes being that much bigger (if they were bigger at all) than normal units unless it was lore wise like Warboss = bigger than nobs but force commander = bigger as other marines.

i find it funny that everyone who played DoW 3 is moving back to SC2 and now SC Remastered

>funny thow the new Terran marine Design for remastered fixes a lot of shit that SC2 had

>but still honour that oath of silence they made to the Emperor so long ago.
Well yeah. The alternative is fluffing them, which will never happen because with the HH stuff, they're at a point where nothing will satisfy the hype if they do decide to fluff them. They've written themselves into a corner where the only thing to do to not tick off everyone is to continue to side-step and wink.

I don't, dow3 is a shit game that tried to grab the infamous "broader audience" well turns out that all relic had was their niche fanbase that they betrayed for a family friendly game and in their own incompetence they will never be able to make a game as well polished as starcraft or any of the assfaggots.