ITT: We brainstorm and discuss myths, customs,holidays, places and daily stuff of Earth's hot sister

ITT: We brainstorm and discuss myths, customs,holidays, places and daily stuff of Earth's hot sister.

I haven't seen those photos before actually, that's pretty cool. Anybody got anything else? Doesn't have to be venus, though.

Your choices are either underground, risking the occasional volcanic upheaval, or in the upper atmosphere.

The latter is surprisingly viable; breathable air is a lifting gas there, so you just need to have gigantic zeppelins proof against the weak acid at that height.

A man is not considered to have come of age until he has completely his first Dive into the sweltering depths of the Venusian atmosphere.

The primary Venusian export industry is compressed CO2. Nothing much else is produced there in high enough quantities to warrant a major trade route. This gas is typically used in cheaper reaction engines for spaceships. So Terran, Martian and Jovian companies buy it in bulk and sell it for twice as much on mainstream markets.

Venus is essentially the dive of the Solar System. Crime is rampant. illegal/unsafe work practices are ubiquitous and the locals are unfriendly. However it's also probably the best place in the whole system to disappear. Between it's floating cities and makeshift derigeables, you can escape detection by the law or anybody you've happened to piss off.

Seems like Venus would be a good place to dump bodies.

Hey sciencefags, I know Earth is at the upper limit of gravity:rocketfuelmass or whatever, but what about Venus? Any interesting launching requirements or orbital tidbits we might want to hear about?

Venus is known as Earth's sister planet for a reason.
Assuming you had infrastructure and equipment that could survive the atmosphere and the heat, you'd only have a slightly easier time launching from Venus than you would from Earth.
That being said, the heat and the atmosphere makes it such a far off thing that it really wouldn't be worth it in real life. But in a soft sci-fi setting, no reason it couldn't be a thing. IRL it would certainly be a better option for orbital structures since it lacks the shell of orbital garbage we've given Earth since we started reaching for the stars.

>the shell of orbital garbage

I don't see it being too long before that starts to be repaired/recycled. Like with old landfills down here; only a matter of time before we're mining them for recyclables.

I started watching this series but got turned off by the SHINING DECLARATIONS BY THE PROTAGONIST that reminded me I don't like anime.

You are neglecting that Venus's atmosphere is a lot denser than our own, making a rocket launch from the surface a lot more costly in needed fuel.

Venusian mythos is a mix of mariner tales and urban legends. A lot of stuff about ships that went down in the soup, crews gone mad and started terrorising "floaters" up top. For example:

You ever heard the story about Senecca? Big rock hauler from the belt, bringing building supplies for the second wave of expansions. It was hauling 150,000 tonnes of raw ore. Had a crew compliment of 257.
On the 25th of May, 2435, she went to dock at Venera orbital. But something went wrong in their engine assembly. Just as they came along side their berth, their fusion drive when to full. The Senecca burned hard towards the surface, being all 257 poor bastards on board down into the soup, smack bang in the centre of the great rift.
It was a big story at the time. But this is Venus. Ships go in, from time to time. Everybody gets used to it. So the Senecca should just be a note in the history books, right?
But here's the weird thing. A lot of ships have gone missing right around where the Senecca went down. Gas collectors pick up some sort of old school distress call and follow it out there into the great rift. Then they disappear. Ship, crew, everything. But when search crews go out they don't hear any distress call.
It's only when a ships all alone that they hear it. Got so bad a few years back that the government put a quarantine on the whole great rift.
But every now and then, on the Maxia passage north, right as you're passing by the rift, you'll hear something over the radio. 3 short beeps. 3 long beeps, 3 short. Over and over. Gods help the poor bastard that answers that call, because he's just signed up to the crew of the Senecca.

Note the pieces falling off the lander. I think the toughest one lasted about an hour-and-a-half.

(Did the US and the Soviets have some sort of gentlemans' agreement, I wonder? All the best Mars data comes from NASA, while the best Venus data comes from Russia.)

There is life in the boiling depths of Venus surface. Not that the cloud folk would know or care. It's really for the best.

Yes. The US and Russia regularly share data gathered in space exploration.

Looks like a map for your typical Not!Mediterranean fantasy world. Is there one without the ice caps or with height maps for those? I'm interested how much of it would be above the sea level.

That's a really cool map. Makes me want to run an Inner Systems game using something hard scifi like...Blue Planet maybe.

Jesus, that's a lot of ocean. How'd thy figure the sea level?

>This map of Venus
>That map of Mars that has the giant fjord running across a quarter of the planet.
>Prehistoric Pangea Earth
>Something something magitech space travel.

I think I just my next fantasy campaign.

I couldn't find the origin of the picture, but I have a ton of questions.
First, fucking ice caps. Assuming Mercator projection, they go up to what, 60 degrees latitude? With expected average of 26°C for earth-like atmosphere on Venusian orbit, compared to more like 14°C for Earth - those don't seem realistic.
Second, Venus has really slow (and retrograde, though that's not important here) axial rotation - that would probably mean that ice caps would grow not on the poles, but on the equator of the hemisphere further from the Sun (that's of course assuming we don't use any L1 point mirror swarms and don't speed up the rotation altogether).
Third, I know it's possible, but the islands off the east coast of the big continent are annoyingly smooth.
Fourth, muh sulfur dioxide-spewing volcanoes and downwind death zones fucking where?
Fifth, shouldn't there be at least some shallow sea areas formed by former lava fields?

In general, I think that even terraformed Venus should be pretty fucking metal.

i think they got lots if radar data from a soviet probe that showed its topography.

>Theres a thriving underground bio-modder scene, cybernetics are commonplace being used to boost work rate and combat the acid or toxins that can bubble up into the lower cities

>Venus has an odd relationship with Mercury.

we will all be living in giant balloons.

Thats fucking retarde even for a science setting. Venusian atmosphere is so thick youre better off thinking it of an ocean of gas. It contains all kinds of useful gases and chemicals dissolved in the acid.

Its also disgustingly easily to colonize because habitats filled with breathable air would conveniently float in a comfortable temperature layer. You could float entire factories there using helium balloons.

>helium
Hardly replaceable without uranium mining. Or, you know, fusion reactors.

The fuck are you even about? Simple, fucking terran air filled habitats float high in the venusian atmosphere.

Also, your're a fucking retard because terrestial helium is a byproduct of natural gas extraction and we have tons of that shit to go around.

The overwhelming majority of the Venusian atmosphere is Carbon Dioxide.

So?

Just like Soviets did. Turns out helium will eventually escape, as it can pass even trough solid glass.

Not necessarily. Denser atmosphere generates lift. You can fly up there, airplane style, and only where it gets too thin start your rocket engines.

Oh noes, the station needs to be refuelled every 50 years or so.

So it represents an obvious bulk export market with minimal infrastructural investment.

The notion of building export factories on the Venusian "seas" runs into the same problem that Earth based factories would run into in a system-wide economy. The gravity well. Shipping mass out of Venusian atmosphere and orbit would much more expensive than, say, shipping those same materials from Ceres or Vesta where you only have to contend with microgravity. Not to mention the pitfall of nearly all of your potential buyers being "up" the Solar Gravity well.

In essence, Venus is poorly placed for export industry.

You know, sci fi where energy and thrust is free.

If you want to be more hard sci-fi then using balloon launch systems like SkyCat would be trivial in the dense venusian atmosphere.

Also, if you want Venus to have an obvious export market, might as well use something more interesting than interstellar dirt. Turn the planet into a garden world, huge floating gardens taking advantage of the blazing insolation and abundant organic materials refined from the thick atmosphere. City sized floating algae bioreactors, hydroponic farms,processing centers and biochemical factories, producing pharmaceuticals, protein pastes, synthetic biopolimers and biofuels to power the paceships carrying their cargo away from their high-atmosphere launch stations

>helium
>helium
Breathable air is a lifting gas on Venus, dumbfuck.
A habitat will float, lifted by the air it's filled with.

I fucking hate it when illiterates get into Veeky Forums science threads. If you can't get your head around basic reading comprehension, fuck off back to /b/.

Given the classical association with the Roman goddess, there is a niche market for Venusian gemstones, especially diamonds, as romantic gifts for those that can afford them. The sheer difficulty, expense, and human risk involved in mining on Venus only increases the appeal to certain members of the Solar system's hyperrich. Indeed, the extravagant prices for Venusian diamonds compared to those from other sources makes them the only choice for some - we all remember the heiress of the 2nd largest hydrogen-mining cartel breaking off from her fiancé after discovering her engagement ring only held a mere Terran stone!

Actually mining these gems is ruinously expensive, and almost always costs lives. Teams are sent down in mole-submersibles known as "magmachasers", which stay underground for months at a time to avoid the acidic rains of the surface. These must play a deadly game, constantly moving to avoid being caught by Venus's many tectonic threats, but following magma flows closely enough to collect any gemstones brought up from the crust. Underground skullduggery between different cartels' machines is also not unheard of, although always denied by all parties in public.

Given the low life expectancy, magmachasers are often crewed with indentured staff, either criminals or those who fell foul of a contract they either didn't understand or never thought they'd default on. Legally, if a crew make a successful trip, not only surviving but bringing back a profitable haul, they won't be sent down again. In practice, the cartels often make "bureaucratic mistakes", which see skilled (or lucky) teams sent down multiple times. It's been whispered that not every magmachaser that doesn't come back is lost to Venus's whims, and that some simply refuse to return to the cartels' clutches. Certainly, a haul of Venusian diamonds would be enough to pay for black market transportation off Venus's surface, and magmachasers have been found eerily empty on the surface of the planet...

>These must play a deadly game, constantly moving to avoid being caught by Venus's many tectonic threats

Venus has no plate tectonics.

Dagnabit. It's got volcanoes though, right?

For those working on Venus' flat, rocky surface, you end up wearing your envirosuit for more of the day than you aren't. As such, ornamentation, painting designs and other knick knacks, originally used for ease in identifying users has taken on an increasingly tribal affair, with wearers adopting family designs and transferring fragments from the parent's suit to their children's.

To be "barefaced" that is, to have no suit ornamentation, is to mark yourself out as new to the venusian surface, and will make you a target of thieves

It does, but not like it matters. The surface pressure equals roughly about 1km of water, several hundred degrees hot and thick with dissolved acid. There are also constant(surprisingly slow) winds that act more like ocean currents and carry tons of dust around

>So it represents an obvious bulk export market with minimal infrastructural investment.
No it fucking doesn't. Transporting things is so expensive that you don't export shit that can be acquired from other planets.

It's the dumping ground of the Inner System. If you need to dispose of something dangerous or toxic, you launch it on an intercept trajectory with Venus and forget about it.

The Venusians get pissy about the whole thing. But who honestly gives a fuck about those pricks? Locals sometimes try and intercept stuff as it closes on Venus, but it's generally moving so fast that contact is lethal.

>It's the dumping ground of the Inner System. If you need to dispose of something dangerous or toxic, you launch it on an intercept trajectory with Venus and forget about it.

Why would you do that, space is huge. Even if you had to send your shit somewhere, why not aim it at the star in the center, instead of the specks of dust around it?

Why wouldn't you just use the Sun for that? It's not like it even takes more fuel or anything, just get something on the right trajectory and it'll get there, even if a little while later.

Investing in the future? Like earlier user mentioned about terrans eventually mining the landfill sites, who knows what that "currently" toxic waste will be good for later down the line.

>Venus wants to 'steal' Ceres from the belt for their terraforming

Then leave it orbit where you are instead of sending it into a literal autoclave acidic hellhole even if it survives reentry.

Pretty much because it's too easy to access. Any retard with a rock-skipper and time can go and pick up whatever dangerous shit you've dumped. Whereas on Venus there's at least a chance it might survive to be recovered later.

>Whereas on Venus there's at least a chance it might survive to be recovered later.

No there is not.

>Pretty much because it's too easy to access.

Yet another retard who has no idea how big space is.

Yet another Earth is the most boring version of Venus. Or any extraterran world for that matter. Give the thing character. Do something interesting with the planet that makes it unique. A bunch of the stuff in this thread would be interesting. You know, if any of it were developed rather than immediately abandoned in favour of calling each other retards like a bunch of payed who've read a textbook once.

>Big rock hauler from the belt
>belt
Sorry, I don't pay attention to peasants.

that's a lot of water

this
Earth first.

>why not aim it at the star in the center
Well...
> Delta V
Takes less to hit Venus than the sun.
> Nuclear physics
Elements heavier than iron will shorten the sun's lifetime by taking more energy to fuse than they release.
> Transit time
Hits the planet faster. Good when you need your genetic experiments gone NOW.

Are you seriously this fucking retared or trolling?

>Takes less to hit Venus than the sun.

Literally the easiest thing to hit in the solar system is the sun. In fact, you'd have to put huge effort into NOT hitting it because you know, gravity.

>Elements heavier than iron will shorten the sun's lifetime by taking more energy to fuse than they release.

You could crash several jupiter sized planets made out of metals into the sun and maybe you'd shave off a couple thousand of its five billion years left.

Go back in user, it is worth it.
Skip the one episode with the (not)ninjas on the moon tho.

>Literally the easiest thing to hit in the solar system is the sun. In fact, you'd have to put huge effort into NOT hitting it because you know, gravity.
Not how it works. Earth moves around the Sun at 30km/s. That means that, after getting out of Earth's gravity well, that's how much you have to decelerate to deorbit something and hit the Sun. If you're starting from Earth, it's MUCH easier to hit the Venus.

Yeah, its trolling, you overplayed your troll hand.

t. someone who failed high school physics