Dragons are more intelligent than humans...

In other words, Meanwhile on /dragon/...

Do you HAVE a reason for her to be basically following the party around?

Aside from this:

>dragons can shapeshift
go away Richard Knaak

Why don't they just modify themselves with magic and have all the advantages of both, and none of the weaknesses?

Not to mention that in D&D like OP is implying, dragons tend to be quite adept spellcasters. For tasks that are too delicate to handle with their claws, thwy can always cast mage hand or unseen serpent or some other spell to just magically manipulate an object. And that's assuming they don't have some slave to do it.

The only reason for a dragon to appear as a human is if they wish to disguise themselves for whatever reason.

Shut the fuck up Wayne.

Sweet! People have said this enough times in response to my posts that it's become a thing. Strikefag thinks he's so smug with his "Why does Veeky Forums keep shilling Strike?!" Wait until he hears about this!

Simple answer: they do, and you're too dumb to notice.

I'm not eating your tail, Tohru.

Because dragons are proud and arrogant, and like their solitude and their natural form.
Why would they, dragons, take the form of lesser races? Why, they'd be unable to fly, or use breath weapons!

I always viewed shapeshifting dragons as more of a concession for lazy writers than anything else, especially if it is used for anything besides subterfuge. It lets you characterize/describe the dragon and its actions easier, make them fit in more places, and even kill or subdue them easier because they aren't in their full powered natural form.

Well, the OP's premise is only true in D&D to begin with, so...

often it's a matter of pride.

Dragons don't feel like they need those things because they either do damn well enough without them or have minions to do tasks that require a smaller frame and opposable thumbs for them.

Then there's also racism, Dragons will generally see taking a human form as 'pretending to be less than they are'. Basically like feigning being a cripple and begging on the street corner when you make an eight figure income.

n-nice legs..

Shut the fuck up Wayne.

Why are humans even around? Aren't they usually strictly worse than every other sapient creature in the world? Why haven't dragons and other sapient creatures snuffed them out, yet?

Legion Ramses did this.
>Boy, my phylactery just got jammed into this human pharaoh, reviving me.
>Opposable thumbs? Neat. Lemme just stop the transformation halfway...
>Fuck yes, Dragon-Man! Man, humans sure are interesting.
A century or so later
>Hey, you Duk'Zarist weaklings. On your spying mission in Archangel, retrieve for me an autographed painting of Empress Elisabeta, or your lives will be forfeit!

who here /serpent/?

Humans are one of the races on the low end of the adventurer pool.

It goes like this. A single human is worth 3 or 4 Kobalds or like 2 goblins. This advantage keeps them safe from a lot of the other weaker creatures.

The stronger creatures are generally avoided when able, because humans are not normally very good at taking them down. BUT one time out of a hundred a human manages to metamorphisize into an Adventurer. While small in number, these Adventurers are powerful enough to kill or otherwise deter the majority of stronger monsters.

This acts much like the poison defense in some species of toad. Not all toads are poisonous, but enough of them are that predators have learned it is best to avoid eating them anyway.

Because you can't sell a setting without humans.

In my setting dragons are about as smart as an average human if they're around them a long time. Most dragons though are around large-dog level intelligence. They breathe fire regardless of scale color, have individual personalities and feelings towards other creatures and generally do not have magical aptitude. Some do, but many do not.

Dragons usually avoid living near humanoid societies, but some civilizations actually live with them. Dragons in major cities can eventually learn to talk, but learning a language is very difficult and they tend to prefer their native tongue over anything else.

Most dragons tend to be proud of their possessions, but generally the ones that only get wrathful and defensive about their stuff tend to be the ones that live furthest away from society. Others are more reasonable and willing to trade, and some in cities even understand the concept of banking (though quite a number of major banks (and other major organizations, mostly trade-related) are owned by dragons.)

The PCs at my table have adopted a blue dragon into their group to serve as a riding land-vehicle, pack mule and field tent. I thought they'd bring him into fights but they're absolutely terrified of letting him take even a single blow. Occasionally one will ride it back to a city to resupply in the field, usually if a player has to miss a session. In this way they even use it as a field recycler to dispose of any unwanted equipment or loot, selling it in town and returning back with useful goods later. They pay the dragon for its services, and it has amassed a small hoard for itself back in one of the major cities. The dragon usually carries them, instead of being rode upon.

One of the players has approached the dragon with the concept of becoming a dragoon, but when I talked with the player after the game session they were worried about the dragon being killed in a fight. I won't give the dragon plot armor if the player wants to start riding it into battle.

>ho ho ho haa haaa look at me im crazy im all over the place WOOOW!

Some humans are wizards, very powerful wizards. It's generally a pretty bad idea to try and genocide a race that can destroy reality if they put their mind to it. .

>muh opposable thumbs
I'm pretty sure if dragons required dexterity, they would've shape-shifted into something that has multiple prehensile tentacles.

What if......
the dragon....?
Shapeshifted.......
Into itself - BUT WITH THUMBS?

Prehensile tentacles >>> thumbs.

Shadowrun.

Wherein they walk around in human form and rule over nations and corporations.

>dragons can open doors

they're there, you just have to look for them. I caught one disguised at my workplace. the dragon disguised as a woman in question had pink hair along with tiny horns. knowing it was a maturing dragon, I began to flail my arms and yell at it. while I was suppressing it with the knowledge Veeky Forums gave me, the dragon got scared and bolted from the gas station.

dragons are pussies, don't listen to the myths.

Depends on the setting.

Scaly-baity as it might sound, this is basically what dragons looks like in my own 'original' setting. They're not that big and can shift between a bipedal and quadrupedal stance, and otherwise posses perfectly capable hands with grips strong enough to crush volcanic rock yet dexterous enough to manipulate delicate gears.

Of course, the point of this for my setting is just to drill home that dragons are not things you fight. You bargain or flee from them because no magic has been discovered yet to harm them consistently and no weapon has been invented yet that can hurt them.

The only way you're likely to kill a dragon is to sic an equally powerful giant on their ass.

Or get another dragon to fight one.

Fact: the smartest dragons shapeshift into lolis and spend their days laughing at the idiot dragons that don't as said idiot dragons are slaughtered and lose their hoards to humans

Wrong. The smartest dragons eliminate the mammals that would one day become humans, so they don't have to demean themselves by taking on the form of an inferior creature that inexplicably is capable of becoming the most powerful thing in the setting.

Where are that dragon's antlers?

kek

Dragons are vain.

Hidden

How about kill yourself, you namefagging piece of shit? I know you won't because you're a cunt who gets off on people being triggered by your namefagging but are the (You)s really that worth it? I'm honestly curious. What makes a man into an attention whore?

...

You'd be surprised

>anime "dragon"
Quests can stay fucked off and I hope to god anime shit goes next

Me in particular? A variety of reasons I'm actually writing a Tell-all pdf that explains my personal opinions on virtually every facet of the board... It's going to be great! Not because anyone will actually agree with me, but because it'll be viewed as such an autistic cringefest that I put pen to paper listing everything wrong with the board that it'll be passed around like it's the new issue of Sonichu!

Also, at least I'm not as stupid as this guy. Too short-sighted to even see why removing anime would be impossible even if the mods tried.

The funny part here is that I used the words mod and try in the same sentence.

At least you have the decency to use a name so I can filter you, reddit-tier scum.

> filtered wayne
> still see his name in every single thread
I understand now why some people don't bother hiding posts

Then remove yourself faggot, fuck off to your containment thread Kyonigger.

>continually ban evades and namefags where his name is not appropriate because "I WONT STAY GONE UNTIL THERE IS A SYSTEM THAT CAN PERMANENTLY REMOVE ME BECAUSE IM SO CHAOTIC RANDOM XD"
>knows he's an autistic shitter yet continues to shit all over the place autistically in hopes of getting some praise
>thinks anyone will give a shit (good or bad) about his garbage work and will no doubt shill it as hard as possible when/if it gets finished
>has the audacity to call anyone stupid despite being one of the most garbage users on this board
I'm glad /pol/ is killing this board.

>complaining about anime on an anime imageboard

>post an image from Gundam Unicorn
>I- I'll call him a moefag! Hehe that'll show him.

>moe

>any gundam but orphans
>good

>calling orphans good

>m-muh cyte grilles pilloting mechas is cute
fuck off to 2009 kaionbab.

>Dragons should be living in societies where they remain in human form unless they want to duke it out or go somewhere fast

Isn't this a key feature of Fire Emblem?

Get the fuck out you filthy casual
IBO is mediocre at best

Yeah, deliberate autistic behavior is a bitch, huh? Don't worry, I'm thinking of putting Wayne to rest for a while... after one last Hurrah.

People just aren't learning to ignore Wayne, and by extension, every bait-poster like him. Additionally, his purpose has become way too widespread, so he's become way too random and undefined as a poster, he's just become Wayne... that annoying guy that tells us he's annoying, I guess?

I'm probably going to go a different route with more anonymous posting, and you, know, actual contribution, with a smaller, more directed and less intrusive namefag persona, though one different than Wayne, as his reputation now precedes him.

But is literally from IBO.

That reminds me, I keep meaning to look into playing, maybe running, an Ironclaw game.

Some influential ones find humans cute, or believe them to be important to the ecosystem. Or it'd be too much effort for too little reward.

>the dragon swipes its tail at the party
>dozens of long, scaly, whiplike mini-tails attempt to wrap around everyone, pulling them along
>everyone, roll a grapple check

Dragons want to be left alone. How do you do this best, as a fuckhuge reptile in some mountain cave or a person?

>there's a dude there
"Ok"

>there's a giant reptile that flies and spits fire there
"Best to stay away from it"

You overestimate the greatness of the human form when they can become anything.

>Not remembering the pride

Thats why

>Why don't they do this all the time?
They do it fairly often in plenty of settings. Off the top of my head Shadowrun, Dresden Files, and Forgotten Realms all have their fair share of dragons going around as humanoids when convenient.

Shut the fuck up Wayne.

Wayne stop being a special snowflake and shut the fuck up, you don't need to namefag to do that stupid shit you just want to feel special when everyone tells you to stop acting like hot shit and fuck off.

Can we get back on topic and talk about Sarkhan Vol's wet dreams?

Because the last thing you want to have when you DO need to duke it out is the feeling of "shit, I haven't used this form in 200 years, I need to get used to it again".

fpbp

>"shit, I haven't used this form in 200 years, I need to get used to it again"
But that's exactly the kind of shit an anime villain would say! Something like
>You're good, forcing me to use this form. I haven't used it in 200 years!
or
>Feel honored, I haven't used this form in 200 years! Only six men have seen it before you, all of them have perished

The thread should've ended here.

Borkh Three Jackdaws and his daughter from the Witcher had the same idea as you.

That piece of shit dragon maid anime is the worst thing to come out of Japan.

Well, theres the occasional dragon that fancies a peasant girl and shape shifts to bone her and once in a while results in half dragons.

Hmm... nah, that honor belongs to the fighter jets that bombed Pearl Harbor, brought America into the War, and led to the Manhattan Project.

Atomic Bombs are kind of a hard thing to beat, even considering it through the blind impotent rage of a Veeky Forums poster.

>1941
>fighter jets
I hope you're only pretending to be this retarded.

No, no, I try hard to make my stupidity as authentic as possible.

I don't know, do you like being a human?
Lets say you can turn into an earthworm.
You get to live off of eating dirt and burrow better than any human can.

Do you stay as a shitty earthworm forever and form an intelligent earthworm society underground, or do you think you'd be more comfortable in your natural form?

I'd imagine life as an earthworm to be much less stressful than one as a human.

>Jets
>pearl harbor

Jesus Christ user.

Don't they often do just that in Eberron?

What about the rape of Nanking?
The show's not as bad as it looks anyway

in Warcraft they do spend most of their time in human form.

oh wait! THAT is why rape hentai is so popular!

Then the Yusha fucks you up with his sowred 'cos 400 years as a bipedal has you rusty as fuck, and those big flappy shits on your back keep getting caught on trees and shit 'cos your spacial awareness is shot.

400 years, fuck. Dude would look like a baby trying to eat banana.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor#Approach_and_attack

they basically don't give a fuck

also, depends on the setting

I just want to know where I can find a proper figure from the OP.
Dragons and maids are on of my favorites things and them mixing is amusing enough to want one figure.

If dragons are so smart why do they live in caves?

Lorwyn/Shadowmoor is GOAT after Onslaught.

>This bitch don't know about moles.

Semi related; The early bird gets the worm, but the early worm gets eaten.

Dragons are autistic savants that spend all their life on /dragon/. Yes, dragons are very intelligent, but not socialized at all. Even Silvers just have a human fetish. They don't really understand the point of working together in a community.

Dolphins are way smarter than humans. (Let's say.) But they never talk to anyone outside their family. Well, and the males are just horny bastards all the time, so they are totally worthless. But if you start with stone tool techonology, how are just you and your mother going to invent the the Bessemer process? Especially when you are lazy and can just magic most things?

>all these [deleted] posts
Seems like chemo.

>Ironclaw
Isn't that furshit? Doesn't sound very good.

They probably know something we don't. Didn't countries with higher Jewish population have a greater survival rate during the black plague because the OT actually has a bunch of rules on how not to spread disease like some fuckwit?
Seriously, I recently reread the KJV version, and Leviticus really goes on and on about how anyone who does anything questionably risky (eating various animals, being sick, being near a woman on her period...), he's "unclean" and pretty much has to thoroughly clean himself and quarantine himself for a day or a week.