Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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I played my first game of 8th this week and have no idea how Quantum Shielding works.
2 wound Lychguard. Hells yeah.

Might get some Kriegsmen. What's the cheapest I can go with?

>which are S4 T4 even outside of power armor

For matched play just don't use the ruse and sudden death decks, or if you do use them both players get a card.

Randomly draw them and you won't be able to build your list to abuse a particular one.

So they put people through a lengthy, expensive, often fatal course of body augmentation just for shigs?

SM scouts.

>Emperor used his DNA to create Primarchs. He's a guy, so they have a Y
>Emperor used Primarchs' DNA to create marines geneseed. Based on guys, so they all have a Y
>Genetic material with XY is incompatible with genes that have XX

If you want female marines you can still play Slaanesh marines that successfully prayed to Slaanesh for a sex change. Transgenders also get represented in one go. Boom, two birds, one stone.

I can think of one:

GW still haven't released an official line of Guardswomen. Forcing us to grab third party heads that don't have the aquilla helmets.

IG is known to have guardswoman and the Marines do not. Ergo we should get female models first because you won't have to break the lore. Also, because we need new plastic guard sculpts.

Ah, right, carry on.

Or just play Iron Warriors and use the character from Storm of Iron who is a female ex-guardsmen who was taken as a slave then possessed by the daemon in her CSM captures armor, kills him takes is place and everyone assumes the CSM was just blessed by Khorne because he kills much better now and wastes less time being a whiny ass.

They don't need to make femarine models, personally I'd settle for lifting the ban in lore and giving me a few art pieces to base some conversion projects on.

Emperor is just a warp construct that was able to manifest in realspace kinda like a C'tan.

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I'll get yelled at to read the book, but I have, and it's not super clear to me how detatchments are meant to work. Is there a minimum ammount of troops necessary? Could I just use a bunch of vanguard detatchments for my army and not need troops, or is it that points and objectives balance out that plan?

The Emperor of Man made his children men. That's basically it. You can absolutely have female space maines sure, but it would have to make sense in the lore and it kind of wouldn't as space marines were sort of defined by the Emperor, but I wouldnt mind someone proving me wrong. Just no boob armor. You want to be a space marine? You wear the suit.

>those pixels
Satan is very pleased

As long as we get them first. If you write your ass into a corner in the 80s, at least have the decency to update the faction actually known for inclusivity before retconning you're lore. Especially if the sculpts for that faction are overdue for an update.

And yes Sisters Players I know you've been waiting and deserve plastic models. I sympathize.

Nope, Sisters of Silence can see him just fine. And he just looks like a regular man to them.

lore ban is going to stand.
This is not the hill to die on.

Imperium is actually pretty non-sexist (not counting lack of sculpt options). Outside of Space Marines all the other positions are explicitely said to be open to and at times held by women.
There are female magos, lords of terra, Inquisitor Lords, Generals, Admirals, Judges, Planet/sector Governors, etc.

You want a cool female warriors in power armor, you have that option. And I don't just mean sisters of battle, make a damn inquisitor.

I'd be happy if they made a IG regiment that wasn't a blatant rip-off of historical army X from 19th and 20th century europe/america.

Granted you obviously can't do a weeb IG regiment because the Tauwank would be off the charts but you could do some futuristic 80s inspired regiment or some primitive medieval or ancient army.

I actually want femarines, but basically this. New guard plastics with female models included are a much higher priority.

And new SoB models are an even higher priority, but let's be honest, femarines are more likely.

Sisters of Battle are as much a sexist faction as space marines, yet somehow you never hear anybody about them ...

If the Emperor is basically a warp creature now how can they come anywhere near him without him dying? It's not like the Golden Throne is the only aspect to his being sorta-alive he's also staying alive by sheer force of will and psyker juice.

Probably because they've been barely acknowledged by GW for nearly 20 years.

Girls become Space Nuns, Guys become Commisars

Absolute cheapest is cadian or chaos cultist snap fit 5 packs for $10.

Chaos marauders are little cheaper but don't have guns in the kit, so depends how into WYSIWYG you are.

Because they've been all but squatted at this point.

Two things that keep coming up in our games. First one is whether you roll or choose deployment map/type. Every mission says "determine", which my opponent argues means select/pick the deployment map/type. Second is whether a model with more than one attack and a chainsword, or weapon with the same rules as a chainsword, gets the additional attack with the chainsword even though they use another weapon with all their attacks. Since the rule just says "make an additional attack with this weapon each time it fights" it doesn't specify they have to use at least one of their attacks with the chainsword.

Well so are marines soon, no difference there. Nothing but primarines from now on.

female commisars explicitly exist, and have been shown in art.

they have to use the chainsword to gain additional attacks.
Deployment type is up to preference, you can either roll a D6 for roll a D2 and let the winner pick. Alternatively just agree on one beforehand for the mission/game type

>go away for a few mins
>new thread started

42ndt for CUTEDAR.

each detachment requires you to take a certain amount and type of units, and allows you to take a number of further options. you are limited by points/power in addition to detachment slots

vanguard for example requires one hq and 3 elites, and allows you to take some more selections as part of that detachment. you still have to pay points or power for whatever choices you do take.

I have a question.
Has there ever been a map displaying the factions on Terra during the unification wars? If not, is there anywhere I can get a general guideline of it, or some kind of run down of sorts?

If you want femguard steel legion, death korp, tempestus scions and vostyroans are mostly androgynous minis. Cadians and elysians too depending on helm choices

Fair enough.

Match play you roll. Rolling player can spend CP
Narrative/Open... in the words of a Mets parking lot attendant- "do whatever you want, no one gives a fuck"

chainswords require the bonus attack be made with the chainsword. you can make your other attacks with any cc weapon you want. this was clarified in one of the faqs where it talks about units with 2 chainswords

I know that but early on that was one of the psuedo reasons to explain why the various schola programs are so obviously not gender balanced.

Hell the only Imperial faction other than SoB/SoS that isn't a sausage fest is the Inquistion and the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Oh and the Escher Necromunda gang.

Women aren't warriors.

Short answer: nope

Long answer: like most events pre-GC and between m32-m41, GW+FW fill in the blanks when they make up a story. Most details about the Unification Wars can be found in the Forgeworld Horus Heresy black books.

Do you still have to roll for Warlord traits for regular games (matched play now i guess) cause it adds a little sentence at the end that says you can choose to roll or just choose one. Same goes for psychic powers now that I think about it. Do you roll or is it more an optional thing?

TELL THAT TO ALL THE PROUD WOMYN SERVING IN OUR ARMED SERVICES
jk 90% of them at just cock sleeves

Optional. WAACfags take the best shit and non-WAACfags just roll. It's not too much of a problem, anyway. Chapter Masters get all three powers anyway.

>no cute Female Mordian Iron Guard models

Hell they could easily do a Vasquez inspired Heavy Bolter Catachan special character and people would be it just for the thrill of using her in a guard vs genestealer cult army scenario.

Sorry, Chief Librarians.

that's just in models now.
Admech is all mixed, you just can't see and most people don't care.
Guard and Associated are more male than female, but all female regiments and mixed regiments exist.

Astropaths and sanctioned psykers are not decided based on gender at all.

This is the fluff now. The only parts of the Imperium that are based on gender are SoB/SM and SoS/Culexus (nulls are sent to one or the other based on gender). That's it. They've ben pretty damn consistent on this fluff for a while now, and GW is not often consistent on fluff. Sculpts are just way way.

So we don't know where the Emperor began his war on Terra, or where the factions were located on Terra, or even how long the war took to fully unite the planet?

Bro it's pure AoS now. Just pick. Rolling never made any fucking sense anyway.
Here is the awesome background for my character... who apparently has multiple personality disorder. Or my mighty psyker... who randomly knows different spells every other battle.
Now that there is nothing NEARLY as powerful as invisibility who gives a fuck

Space Marines are people injected with the Emperor's DNA, in a male its fine because you got XY Chromosomes, in women you have XX chromosomes, it wouldn't fit meaning that some of the genetic alteration wouldn't work.

>Unless you want Autismo-Female Marines, Or genetically modify them to be XY... Also known as males.

Specifically injected with Primarch "Geneseed" (DNA) and the Primarchs are clones of the Emperor, meaning that it would be his DNA by Extension; for clarification

I think a female-heavy imperial guard regiment, as well as a few female sculpts of regiments known to field female soldiers (Catachans, Cadians if they're not all dead) would be a great addition. And I'm firmly in the "no female space marines, not ever" camp.

and while we're at it, lets go through all the fucking xenos too.

You've got Mono/nullgendered.
Necron. Orks. Nids.

Gender isn't a bases for membership in a group.
Delder, Harlequins, Tau.

Has gender based groups, but that's based on the assumed gender from joining the group because of the weird way their psychology/path system works.
CW eldar.

40k is as non-sexist as most sci-fi universes. It's just that the models aren't always up to date on this.

> sorry feminists- it's science. Nothing personal.
Kek

Since Harker is already a thing that's never going to happen.

Victoria Miniatures does some pretty good ones.

Necrons aren't. There are canon female Overlords.

I thought either gender could be any of the Aspect warriors including Banshees or maybe I was just imagining reading that in one or more dubious sources.

>actual science determining things in 40k
>female Chaos Space Marines have been canon for years.
>because fucking daemons and magic exist in this setting and science can suck it.

Wait ten years until the Horus Heresy well dries up, then we'll get Unification Wars from Forgeworld complete with maps/outrageously details warzone descriptions.

Thunder Warrior minis when?

>he thinks equal opportunity is a thing in the realm of chaos

Okay then, that makes a sort of sense then. So long as all the Warlord/Psychic powers stay in the mediocre territory and not auto-include territory than being allowed to choose won't be a disaster.

so the fluff, which is old but still cool and not reconned, only talked about Banshees but applies to all.

The question was "are their male howling banshees?". Answer: No. There are male eldar who decide to walk the path of the howling banshee aspect warrior, but when you put on the mask your personality is surpressed under the aspect you take on. The Banshee is a female aspect based off a female Phoenix Lord.

The other aspect had male founders.

Nah they said they were doing to do The Scourging after completing HH.

Right after the Men of Iron plastics get released

I'm not kidding, it's in Storm of Iron.
There is a woman in the Iron Warriors.

>What is Slaanesh

>Eldar literally have a "Path of the Trap"
Somehow I am not suprised.

The answer used to be that it went against their themes as ancient warrior-monk supersoldiers for a regressive fascist regime. But since GW doesn't care about the lore, it's just because they don't want to produce female heads for guard or Marines.

That would explain how they all died like bitches to the Primaris Marines in Dark Imperium

It is though

It's a pure meritocracy.

With them, not a.

I thought it was mostly a sentient suit of power armour that thought having sex means the woman goes inside you, instead of the other way around.

Agreed, really it needs to be is the eventual new guardsmen kit to include a handful of feminine torsos and heads. Much like the eldar plastics.

And yeah leave marines all male, they're space warrior monks to the sister of battle space warrior nuns. Its thematic and doesn't need changing.

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Wait wut? So if you have a female Phoenix Lord you are possessed by the orginal female who wore your aspect helmet? And same with the female eldar that are members of 'Male' aspects?

I mean I can see that for some of the aspects but others like the Dire Avengers? Nah that shit is dumb especially given some of the old art.

I have no problem with female Chaos Marines, I always assumed they didn't use the same methood as the Imperium, but loyalist Female space marines just to make feminists happy is pretty fucking cringy

The weak die off, the strong survive, opportunity is for those with the will and the power to back it up.

This

I might be thick but say I have a drop pod with a 5-man squad, and three characters in it. Does this count as only having one unit in reserves for the matched play rules, or would it count as five?

In the case of the latter, this would mean I'd need to bring five other units to counter balance it, yes?

They are yucky.

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....I kind of want Fem-CSM...now
Literally just so I can run an Exalted Sorc as a Sorceress Supreme because it rolls of the tongue oh so nicely

Didn't they say they were doing a single Xeno book for HH at the end?

The daemon armour basically used her as a host. She wasn't a female girl turned into a space marine who then turned Chaos. She was TRICKED into being consumed.

>I might be thick

Got some paint jobs on your mind I see.

well full on Phoenix Lords are just reincarnations basically, their Souls are so powerful the new wearer of the armor is basically dead.
And like I said, it's tiny bit of old fluff and only mentioned Banshees. It might fit a few other aspects, and Asurman might be so universal he doesn't define it as much.

>this was clarified in one of the faqs where it talks about units with 2 chainswords
indirect faqs for the win!

My brother converted corrupted SoBs for his possessed squad back in the day. Don't have any pics of it but it was a cool idea.

Dude you have no idea, Astral Claws are so fucking hard to paint. Then realized my stated conundrum and I'm pissed because I realize my army I've been working on might not be 'legal'.

But female Chaos Space Marines aren't a thing. It's cases where a daemon has used a woman as a host or whatever. There is no female human who is turned into a female Space Marine by loyalists or Chaos. There is daemons who mount women and use them as transport.

>No femarines because I think I know something about science.
>No femarines because I think 40k writers know something about science.