40K is shit

>people actually play
>the reason 75% of people play it

Wouldn't it be nice if people just played whatever the fuck they wanted, shared the games with friends, and didn't worry so much about min-maxing bullshit?

>sci-fi
It's magic in space lad

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>>isn't weebshit
kek
Also, how exactly picrelated is weebshit?

Why don't people bother to play other games? Because buying into these is expensive as shit. Plain and simply.

If only, user. If only.

40k in general isn't weebshit. The Eldar and Tau have anime influences but it's relatively subdued and even then it's only a subset of two factions.

>how is anime: the game weebshit
Even Ariadna has a bunch of special forces soldiers in sexy poses with their tits out.

>The Eldar and Tau have anime influences but it's relatively subdued and even then it's only a subset of two factions.
>only a subset of two factions.
Sure.
>Even Ariadna has a bunch of special forces soldiers in sexy poses with their tits out.
So they are weebshit, just because CB can into attractive models?

agreed

>Sure.
Yeah you can find some things here or there but it's the exception rather than the rule. The Dreadknight has a unique reputation as being a horribly designed model.

>So they are weebshit, just because CB can into attractive models?
They're weebshit because they're explicitly influenced by an anime. It's in the tagline description of the game. Ariadna is the only faction that isn't hardcore manga but even it has weirdly sexualized models that are supposed to be grizzled operators.

>butts and tits means anime now
Fucking numales

>The Dreadknight has a unique reputation as being a horribly designed model.
>implying other Imperial walkers doesn't look like weebshit, especially big one.
>They're weebshit because they're explicitly influenced by an anime.
Here we go.

Which anime is that pic from?

Please tell me of another genre where the at issue poses and attire are common place.

Idk, looks like average sci-fi

>Please tell me of another genre where the at issue poses and attire are common place.
I\ve already posted it
Also, fantasy

Are you implying that the Dreadknight is anime influenced?

>giant robot with the sword
>not anime

Don't mind me, "anime" models coming through.

Listen. I just don't like anime aesthetics. I'm fine with it in small amounts but I don't want the whole setting to revolve around it. That's just my preference. If you're going to act like Infinity isn't turbo-anime then this conversation is over because you're just being willfully ignorant.

I don't think you've looked at infinity in a while user, while I do agree CB used to be full anime memes with lewd sculpts, they really have tried to change that in the past few years. Like look at these, do these have an anime aesthetic?

I fucking hate Infinity shills, when will they learn nobody wants to buy into their shit game.

You may think 40K, Fantasy and AoS are shit but at least they keep to themselves and don't proselytise.

So you are worst than the 98% of /a/

>ReeEeEEEEEeeee anyone who talks about a game I DON'T LIKE is a SHILL

Govad is so 90s anime, it hurts

40k are literally the worst at that, posting they memes literally everywher there.
And I don't even play wargames but you guys are be far the most obnoxious bunch there, putting 40k like furrys of bronis do.

What? How?

No, I've looked into Infinity plenty. There are some cool models but they get ruined in my opinion by all the sculpted boob armour, ridiculous hair, and stuck out butts on elite soldiers. I like the ones you posted but they're the exception rather than the rule.

No, infinity fags are horrible shills. They are so convinced that their clunky and bloated game is perfect that any criticism just boils down to fingers in ears or nay saying.

You do realize that all those are old sculpts that are actually due for an update.

Except for the bikers, who are just lewd, but they aren't even "elite" soldiers, the biker troops are literally biker gangs..

But no

>all the sculpted boob armour, ridiculous hair, and stuck out butts on elite soldiers

This is the exception, not the other way around.
Go look at the catalogs.

And the boob plate thing, what is wrong with that? It's not like they are over sized or anything, it looks fine.

I mean look at this thread, has anyone given an actual reason for why Infinity is bad besides the

>Anime aesthetic ruins it

Which is a meme, if you look at the newer models.

>Listen. I just don't like anime aesthetics.
>but I am fine with Titans and Knights
Top kek.
Nigger, your main characterization of anime was sexual attraction of models.
Also, infinity WAS turbo-anime in first edition, each new edition art-design moving closer to classical sci-fi

>imperial walkers
>weebshit design
I want to see that anime, got any source?

>their clunky and bloated game
>says GWshill

Most of the images you've posted as proof are still obviously anime inspired. Yeah, most of Ariadna are dressed like modern day soldiers (unless they're female) but that's their whole schtick. Infinity's anime aesthetic isn't a meme and it just doesn't appeal to me.

I mean I could go on, but I have stopped because the fanbase is full of shills and talking to a brick wall would suit me better

>big robots = anime
Titans and knights are clunky with gothic architecture. They aren't anime except by the broadest possible definition. Sexualization isn't my biggest criticism it's just one of the more quantifiable ones.

Okay so is the meme now

>Wait it's sci-fi that isn't massive space marines
>Clearly it's anime

Like what is it with you guys? Are you so used to dark color schemes that the second models have a bit of color it's an anime style?

The whole point of 8th was to remove the clunkiness and the rules bloat. Pay attention.

>I mean I could go on
Then do it user, stop bitching out. If you really think Infinity is a bad game and have points to back it up, then present them already.

And not just
>Anime

And it's already coming back with the Codexes user, it's going to be the same. Space marine players will already have to lug around 3 books once that comes out, if they don't play ultra smurfs.

>got any source?
Macross

The game literally have a character named kusanagi, appleseed mechs with pilot arms sticking out, and cyborg ninjas cutting said mechs with katanas.

What kind of kool aid do infinity shills drink?

This is just going around in circles so this is the last post I'll make. Infinity is full of anime from cheesecake to giant spiky hair cute little robot buddies. Most of their designs are airlifted straight from a manga and the developers even use that as a selling point.

True, but not all infinity is like that. It's like saying all 40k it's from 2000ad comics, it's true it gets a lot from those, but also from anime (Tau for example).

>The whole point of 8th was to remove the clunkiness and the rules bloat.
Yeah and turn it into primitive shit, where bunch of conscripts can destroy Riptide and Predator cannot pass through group of grots.
Yes, Infinity rules might be overcomplicated, but unlike 5th, 6th and 7th editions of 40k it still works and provides you a lot of ways to win against OP-lists.
And yes, 8th edition looks pretty balanced now, but we'll see how it will look after few new codexes.

>The game literally have a character named kusanagi, appleseed mechs with pilot arms sticking out, and cyborg ninjas cutting said mechs with katanas.

And this is the exception not the norm user, you're acting like these are the only three units in the entire game, when they are just 3 out of hundreds.

>Infinity is full of anime from cheesecake to giant spiky hair cute little robot buddies

Like I said to the other user, that's not the whole game. That's like calling 40k an anime, just because Tau have mecha. Does that make any sense? Doesn't to me.

>Most of their designs are airlifted straight from a manga and the developers even use that as a selling point

Are you referring to Outrage? because that was made to go directly with infinity, and explore the lore a bit more. If you're referring to something else I would like to know.

>full of anime from cheesecake
Says the guys who endlessly shipping Yvraine-Guilliman

Man I always love these Infinity argument threads, because the 40k fags literally never give any points about why they don't like the game based on mechanics, they just shout

>Anime!!

Then you get this guy with the classic
>I mean I could go on but

Just make actual points about why the game is bad, not some rant about a single lewd model.

Encapsulated rules that lead to other rules taking up space and being redundant.
Action economy system that requires both subdivision in lists to balance out and still leads to single model pacmanning.
Not rules per say, but models lack clarity on tabletop for identification due to generic anime look.
Overloaded on needs for tokens.
Need for two lists to be presented due to what the opponent can see being different.
Unlimited ARO actively discourage aggression and faster play.
Limited list building options due to necessity of specialists and certain equipment like visors.

I have done so for about a year. I've just given up because Infinity fags are just absolutely the worst shills I have ever seen. All arguments just boil down to "it's not, it's not, it's not"

Well, guess everything what doesn't look cartoonish is anime for 40k fans

>All arguments just boil down to "it's not, it's not, it's not"
So just like any discussions in /40kg/

And this is relevant to infinity being shitty anime wannabe how?

Show me, how exactly Infinity cheesecake is anime and especially more anime than 40k.

You posted AVP.

I don't understand how it is relevant to 40k or infinity.

Do you have brain damage?

Just look at it. I mean, just look. It's not fucking difficult. I can't tell you why water is wet, it's what it actually is, can't really go more clearer than that.

Fantasy needs to be before it can be anything.

>Encapsulated rules that lead to other rules taking up space and being redundant.
Give an example

>Action economy system that requires both subdivision in lists to balance out and still leads to single model pacmanning.
No this doesn't happen, those Rambos you see almost always get shut out, if you put all your focus into having 9 nerds for orders, and a single rambo, that rambo will just get murdered and you will loose. Go look at infinity general lists, no one who has played more than 3 games will try to run that, it doesn't work.
>Not rules per say, but models lack clarity on tabletop for identification due to generic anime look.
I don't have this issue, but I could understand confusing the grunts of an army as they usually look similar.
>Overloaded on needs for tokens.
Well what do you mean by this? If you're talking about order tokens, you can just use their app to track it, and who is dead/unconscious ext. And our group just uses bases for tokens like camo and such, only recently did someone decide to buy real tokens for that.
>Need for two lists to be presented due to what the opponent can see being different.
I don't get how this is a big deal? Unless you're going to a tournament people aren't going to hound you for a list, just tell them what stuff is when you deploy. And if you are going to a tournament, then you would be printing out the lists anyway. It adds a fun element to the game since you can never be 100% sure about what your opponent has or is hiding from you.
>Unlimited ARO actively discourages aggression and faster play.
No it just makes you take risks, line of ARO's? Use smoke so you can either assault them, or if you have the right equipment, shoot them threw the smoke and not even worry about it. Or flank around, combat drop, or even be an annoying ass T.O. Camo token and never get hit. Lots of ways around it, you just have to use the tactics available to you.

Cont.

Cont.
>Limited list building options due to necessity of specialists and certain equipment like visors.
I don't know exactly what you are referring to here, do you mean list building is limited because in ITS mission you need specialists? Or choosing equipment is weird? Please clarify because I have no idea what you're talking about.

>Just look at it. I mean, just look.
So no any arguments, only "I don't like anime"
>I can't tell you why water is wet,
Except we are talking about art-designs.
And by the way, look at this tactical marineLooks pretty simmilar with picrelated except of head

Youre butthurt is delicious

Encapsulated rules for example would be things like morat which is just religious and something (I forget now, veteran 1 I think?)
There's no need for that shit.

On tokens, if you need to use an outside source to play the game then it's already not handling its playability well.

>unless going to tournament
And tourneys are where the standard of the game is set to. If it's obnoxious at tourney level then the game itself has obnoxious levels.

He is talking about how anything that is Sci-fi and not a Space Marine is called Anime, because 40k fags are so used to this being the only form of Sci-fi war game they have ever seen, and so they don't realize other art styles of Sci-fi can and do exist, and aren't just all
>Anime

ITS of course. It's the standard for the game to be played at.

And you are gonna respond with generic videogame space armor?

Wrong picture

>generic videogame space armor
Look who is talking

Western comics, since forever?

>Even Ariadna has a bunch of special forces soldiers in sexy poses with their tits out.

Are you gay? tits and ass on lovely models is a good thing.

I played Warhammer Fantasy Battles for over a decade and have collected and painted hundreds of figures.

But deep down I always knew that the game system was shit and flawed. Rotten to the core. I don't know why I stuck with it to the bitter end. When AoS was announced my spontaneous reaction was to reject it. To say that GW had made a horrible decision.
Now that the dust has settled I think we all can agree that AoS was a smart move by GW, and that it is actually a fun game. Focus is on fun. That's good.

However, I do like the old warhammer lore. Or some of it at least. I wish they would have done with fantasy what they did to 40k with 8th edition.
Shake up the setting quite a bit, but still keeping it the same old setting. And really go back to basics and build up the rules and army lists from scratch again. Get rid of the bloat, focus on the fun.

Long live his imperial majesty Karl Franz..

Yes and? How does this relate to Infinity's visual design being bad?

>Encapsulated rules for example would be things like morat which is just religious and something (I forget now, veteran 1 I think?)

No there is, because it saves space on the unit's profile, and when almost an entire third of your army has the same special rule for being Morats, why not just combine them into the Morat rule, making it easier to read and consolidate. And is far as I understand this is one of the few examples infinity, so even if you really do think it's a problem(For whatever reason, seriously why is it a problem) why would it even matter? Is you day ruined because you have to just remember that Morat units have Religious Troop and Vet 1.

>On tokens, if you need to use an outside source to play the game then it's already not handling its play ability well.
What? Outside source? The App was designed by CB and is highly recommended by them. Not like some third party like Battlescribe runs it. And if you really want to use tokens for orders, then you can. They starter sets all come with some nice ones you can use, and they have a pdf download of every single token in the game on their website, which you can print out and use if you really want to.

>And tourneys are where the standard of the game is set to. If it's obnoxious at tourney level then the game itself has obnoxious levels.
My point is it's not obnoxious, what is so hard about printing out two lists? Hell you don't even need to. You can just have a copy of your second list on your phone and just show your opponent if they want to see it. At tournaments you digitally upload your army list to them, and they will print out the lists for you if you need them too. It's not hard, and I don't know why you are focusing on it so much.

>ITS of course. It's the standard for the game to be played at.
I still don't get what you're on about. Do you not like having to balance your list with objectives in mind? What is wrong with this?

I always wondering what definition of "fun" in terms of wargames
>How does this relate to Infinity's visual design being bad?
>generic space armor in Infinity is BAD!
>but it's good when GW doing it

Well they aren't "Common place" even in their own worlds, but you do focus on the few that are wearing such attire.

How are infinity designs bad? You can not like the style, that's okay, another thing is to say it's bad because they really aren't, inspired in anime, SpecOps or pop culture yeah, but then 40k is 80' inspired sci fi isn't for everyone too.

>but you do focus on the few that are wearing such attire.
>on the few
>few
Okay, enough is enough, now it's official DC cheescake thread

What is wrong with infinity's visual design? They look fine to me. Also if these are 'Generic space armour" then what amazing space armour do you consider acceptable?

i've been F5'ing a while now
where is the cheesecake

Well, I\ve lost most of my archives, just hoped some anons will help me with this.
BTW is it anime enough?

Because it's bloat. All the tiered rules refer to other rules. Veteran 2 is literally no wound incapacitation and 6th sense. Now instead of needing to know and refer to 1 rule, I need to know 4 rules. It doesn't matter if I can remember it or not, it's still unnecessary steps.

As for outside source, I mean that you need an app to track tokens which in turn needs to track in the game, you have got a system with too much steps in the middle. Having a crutch doesn't fix the broken foot.

>it's not obnoxious
See, this is yet another nuh huh kind argument from every infinity player. Name me any other game where you need to generate a list for your opponent which contains hidden information. It doesn't need to be hard for something to be necessary.

You are the one who asked about ITS or not. I don't understand how it became a balance issue.

Which I never said?

Seriously, do you have brain damage? First you are posting irrelevant pictures and now you are writing arguments that no one presented to you.

>Which I never said?
>And you are gonna respond with generic videogame space armor?
Also, could you finally decide, what Infinity is, turboanime or generic space armor?
And 40k posterboys using almost the same generic sci-fi armor

There's a very bad lack of visual distinction on models. Faction distinctions are very color dependent rather than form based. Try to tell me how anyone is to tell that croc men and the knights belong to the same faction?
What are the specialties of each knight orders? Can't really tell.
When the ninjas attack, how do the minis distinguish between mono filament and explosive weapons?

Some infinity stuff is pretty good. I like the Japanese due to katanas and poofy pants making them more recognizable.
Same with the aliens.
But rest are so fucking samey or on the flipside, so unrelated that clarity is very poor on the tabletop.

Infinity is technically well done, but the designs are very bad for a minis game.

It's both, turbo armor space anime

>There's a very bad lack of visual distinction on models.
>implying WW1 tanks equal to flying tanks with railguns is good thing
>Faction distinctions are very color dependent rather than form based.
That's why when some sneak pics releasing players surely can tell what faction it belong?
>What are the specialties of each knight orders?
Their history, they all just restored medieval christian orders.
>turbo armor space anime
-> these animes looks more like Warhammer

you all shitters need to get people into the wargames you like or use the miniatures you like for more mainstream games instead of complaining all day about "all" games being shit. People only ever talk about warmahordes warhammer, infinity and malifaux, get out there and discover the other games.(also stop saying i don't play infinity because it has shit mdoels, just buy other models to play it, it's not GW, you can do it)

People can recognize something they are familiar with. 40k fans can tell differences between each bolter, leman russ, and titan's forge worlds, but that's because they're already invested. same with e sport gameplay. Just because the fans can tell, doesn't mean that the design itself is clear. Fans have jumped the hurdle, but the hurdle remains

>People can recognize something they are familiar with.
So visually difference between infinity factions is visible?
Also, I am pretty sure that random guy wouldn't see a lot of difference between Ultramarine and Dark Angel model except their colour schemes

>So visual difference between infinity factions exist?
sleepfix

Hood and wings which cover both the body and head, aka the parts where people have the greatest recognition

Tell me why o yoroi and the other yu jing tag belong on the same team

>Hood
So literally one unit (company veterans)?
>and wings
Wings on DA captain helmet made in the same manner as plume on new primaric captain
Wings on chest plates are simmilar too.

Not in any meaningful way worth mentioning.