Infinity General: Varuna Incoming Edition

Furries need to be removed from the setting.

>pan0
>'weak'

Maybe CB should stop with the favoritism and make them pay for all the cheap BS boosts they enjoyed these past 10 years instead.

>gencon release going to be PanO sectorial #4
th-thanks cb

Don't worry, it'll include Kamau which are otherwise Bolt equivalents and not fusiliers so you'd be left with a lot of players with a sunk cost fallacy trying to defend their core unit sub-par for the price, like how Bolts have Bio-immunity, movement 4-2 Kamau have X-visors on LGL + likely to be included in the box, BTS 6, and Aquatic terrain which it doesn't need. I mean, at that price of 16 points you can get Myrmidons which have ODD, Unidrons with K1 combis, the general FO Sensor Remote, etc stuff with neater equipment.

But hey, BS 13 on a LI unit is mad decent when linked.

Stop playing Military Orders.

Criminals should be outlawed while we're at it. That will surely be effective.

The genetic engineering for it is only found on bakunin back alleys where real laws can't touch it and werewolves are disliked. It's just gotta be something you live with.

I've seen better, I've seen worse, I'd put it very slightly above average quality although the picture at this size. angle, and lighting, isn't particularly flattering. Shoulder looks kind of messy and the white kind of thick and flat.

I'd put it at a 6, maybe up to a 7 out of 10 personally. Enough to pass, but not quite "wow" me.
Basing could use some extra work, doesn't look finished.

Other points for improvement:

>leaving whites to be mostly an off white, like one level down from white and highlighting the extreme edges with pure white.
>Shading of the hair behind the head
shading near the shins

points for commendation:
>I like the way the skin was painted
>cloak and straps

I don't mean to sound like a total critic. Thanks for posting. I like seeing people's paint jobs. Post more if you can later.

Thank you, I'll take the criticism on board

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beyond starter sets bringing them up to 300

PanOceania:

1x Kamau, Amphibious Intervention Teams (HMG)
1x Swiss Guard (HMG)
1x NeoTerra Bolts (Paramedic)

Nomads:

1x Hellcats (Spitfire)
1x Intruder, Corregidor Assault Commandos (MULTI Sniper Rifle)
1x Kriza Boracs, Tunguska Crisis Special Unit (MK12)

1x Authorized Bounty Hunter (2 Breaker Pistols) RESERVATION EXCLUSIVE

Yu Jing:

1x Daofei (HMG)
1x Zhanying Imperial Agent (Breaker Combi Rifle)
1x Guilang Skirmisher (MULTI Sniper Rifle)

Haqqislam:

1x Tarik Mansuri (Spitfire)
1x Hassassin Fiday (DA CCW)
1x Hassassin Ragik (Boarding Shotgun)

1x CSU (Breaker Rifle) RESERVATION EXCLUSIVE

These sound pretty good from a tentative first look.

But, given that a lot of these profiles already have models I'm a little worried it's not all new.

If there's a Daofei and Guilang resculpt that's partly easy to convert I'd consider it an instant buy.

AFAIK Ragik doesn't have a BS model, Fiday doesn't have a CCW posed model with no visible gun, Tarik Mansuri has a Rifle+LSG not a spitfire, hellcats have HMG, Hacker, Combi, ADHL, and no Spitfire, Bolts don't have a dedicated paramedic profile like that Caledonian, and Zhanying just have a dedicated hacker and ML so my hopes for Intruder, Daofei, and Guilang models are high.

Those boosts ARE paid for. Its why Orcs and Bolts sre mad overpriced. Unless you think an Orc is somehow equal to a Ayyar.
Thats not even including the faction penalties like few interesting bits of gear.

This. Like how Guarda de assaulto costs over fifty despite having pretty rubbish stats otherwise and no special skills or equipment beside his buddy bot (and D-charges)

Muyibs are the best Hassassin core as I gather. Govads don't even come close.

Kamau Core will only be played if Fusiliers are mad limited, like in MO. Their limit is the only reason why Sergeants Core is sometimes played. Even with being a super cheap BS13 platform, Kamau are nothing to write home about and the main event of every list is going to be Cutter.
They're okay, but a bit costly (proving that guy wrong).

That PanO set is predictably overcosted and terrible.
The Nomad is better, though I'd have to see what Kriza Boraks do first.

I might still get it, as I don't have an HMG Swiss or MSR Intruder models. Although I already have 4 Hellcats...

Wait, why is CSU in the Red Veil pack? Shouldn't it be in the Icestorm one?

Shouldn't the CSU be with Icestorm (and thus the only faction that could field them: Neoterra) and the Bounty Hunter with Red Veil (and thus the faction that can field them in a sectorial: ISS?

I wonder how they'll advance this design.

They're supposedly S5 now.

Gotta grab all the exclusives...

LoL. CB loves to package the shit that you don't want with the shit that you do want to get the oldfags to keep buying more shit. They want oldfags to have extra shit to get the newbies hooked.

So besides D-charges, heavy flamethrower, Eclipse grenades, then the Auxbot on top nothing special then? Losing a couple of points of ARM is very acceptable and BS has always been better than WP on doorkickers. Watching the smokes miss 1/3 times is frustrating, but there just aren't so many units that can close down an L/MI link team so well then chase the spitfire with a shotgun. I do think they're marginally overcosted, but not for the awesome skillset, just because (like Teutons and Asuras) they still have that legacy costing from back when they had a MOV advantage. But hey, if everyone's taking missile/sniper links, Guarda delivers

Is this legit? Getting spitfire hellcat and space russian big guy is awesome. New bolt yaaaay...ffs locust pls cb.

Yeah, I don't mean they're bad, but if you start to compare them to other "toolbox" HI's, say, Ayyar, the cost is rather high. I guess it may be the case of old prices, as bar Fatherknight all the HI has only had some minor adjustments since N2.

>Is this legit?
Probably. It's how the F¥¥ box was spoiled in a very similar fashion. Also bear in mind last year Beasts of War released their video about Infinity's Gencon models too early as well.

I'm just praying to various deities that the Yu Jing releases are new sculpts and not the ugly old ones. Breaker Zhanying's ok, but I don't know what they were thinking about the Multi-Sniper Guilang (besides maybe making some imaginary quota of a useless/debatable sniper per starting army), and the HMG Daofei should've been the Spitfire which is both a Lt option and more easily supplemented by its Camouflage and infiltration.

>Daofei spitfire
>Zhanying madtraps
>Guilang hacker
>not
FFS, CB.

Missile Launcher fires outside of the HMG's range.

You are comparing HMG vs ML against a target in cover w/ a Rifle. I'm talking about a ML firing at a target w/ a HMG.

Also, could you show me the math on those odds of wounding? Because 3 instances of 13 damage seem to be better odds of hurting than 3 instances of 11.

Yeah, Yu Jing really got the short end of what would've been a nice stick. I hope the Swiss Guard and Daofei remain girls at least.

Those look awesome.

Wonder how them and Blue wolves come out (the Yu Jing Svalarheima TAGs on the background)

IDK, I read somewhere that the Blue wolves stats they play-tested were OP, because it was a light TAG with HRMC and frenzy, so they had no plans to make them soon and/or retconned them to a named Squadron of Guijias stationed on Svalarheima.

So user you heared the call.
When will you enlist?

I came for the kilts but I stayed for Uxia.
Then I came again.

...

I can't masturbate to this.

Wuss.

>this is 10/10 in Corregidor

If a cat can't cross your table without knocking over any terrain you're setting up way too dense.

Trick statement, the cat will knock over any terrain on the table because that's what cats do.

If he did that they wouldn't keep him in the shop.

Is Vedic ALEPH still in release purgatory?

Where is the info about the Varuna Sectorial dropping coming from? It's not the same as is it? I was promised a Vedic Aleph Sectorial and I don't like the idea of being cockblocked by these fish sticks.

Last anyone heard, they should all be dropping in the next major book release for Infinity. It's supposed to be a revised Paradiso Rulebook and come with 1 sectorial for each playable faction.

>come with 1 sectorial for each playable faction
Which is also a lie because frogs and Shasvastii are supposed to be redone in lieu of a new Sectorial.

Not so bad given ariadna and EI both have 3 sectorials

My own version

Small fix of some pixels

Hey man I didn't say they were new sectorials.

They got Onyx and USARF early.

Oh, well then perhaps it's possible we could get both Varuna and ISS. Does anyone remember when OCF and USARF were released?

>ISS
I meant OSS.

>conveniently choosing the exceptions to the rest of the mad cheap faction

>orcs are actually cheap compared to other 'standard' HI, their eventual fireteam would be ludicrously insane

>of course no one plays bolts when there are plenty of cheapass fusiliers/auxiliary spam to power the aquila/swiss cheese instead.

Pretty damn cheap when he can pump 3-6 shots at high BS, with 2 of them unopposed assuming a single target.

order sarge specialists/non-core attackers aren't even bad, and most MO playas use mag knight teams anyway. The kamau would no doubt get even more cheap stuff regardless.

N2 was years ago dude. Get with the times, it's Tohaa that get the crazy bullshit nowadays.

DaoFei HMG can plausibly be passed off as the spitfire assuming the gun is tiny, ZhanYing has breaker rifle as standard so there is a chance of 'traps, and getting a new mediocre sniper is just a dick move though alongside the CSU instead of ABH.

Cutting the barrels off Guilang snipers to make them useful is a proud tradition, I see no reason why it should stop.

The new Yu Jing HMG is about the same size of the Spitfire, gone are the days of the massive tube gun. I don't know why people are complaining about the Zhanying. The Madtrap, Sensor, LT, and Haris options are all Breaker Rifle. Between that, Hacker, Missile Launcher, and Hsien, the Haris can finally be made without tons of proxies. MSR sculpts are great because you can just saw off the barrel and nobody is going to yell at you for your new rifle miniature.

>orcs are actually cheap compared to other 'standard' HI, their eventual fireteam would be ludicrously insane
U wot m8? Other standard HI would include Brigada, Janissary, Wu Ming or Zuyong. They are all much cheaper than ORC. Even PanO's own Hospitallers are cheaper than ORC. ORC links are never going to be a thing, no matter what CB tries to tell us.

>Pretty damn cheap when he can pump 3-6 shots at high BS, with 2 of them unopposed assuming a single target.
50pts for an ARM3 guy is always going to be a lot. Especially as for the same price you can get an ARM5 guy without a buddy bot and slightly lower BS.

Orcs are pretty similar to Brigada overall. I'd put Suryats and Shang Ji in that category too. Orcs can't stand up to the real good HI links like Wu Ming and Jans but they're not too terrible, especially since they're likely to get their own ML/HRL profile to mirror the other standards.

ARM ain't shit though. I don't know why people think of ARM3 HI as fragile when they still have the far more important 2 wounds. 5-10% less chance to wound from non-crit hits isn't that big of a deal, not compared to things like the buddy bot that help you to not get hit in the first place. ARM5 is only a small part of the Father Knight's appeal, that BTS9, AHD and to a lesser extent assault are what really do it.

Those hospitallers knights have that frenzy bonus which makes them way cheaper then they should be (not the only example in game), and the other examples have to cut down on other stuff/stats as well.

And really, a unit capable of dishing out 5-6 shots (2 in ARO) at BS 15(!) per order is still a bargain at 50ish pts.

The buddy bot actually puts him into really elite territory when it comes to lethality, on par with the Swiss. There are like no good choices for an enemy when it swings around the corner with the combination of the LS on the bot, heavy flamer on the Guarda, and whatever gun it it has in its hands.

Yeah, but that is pretty much the best case scenario. At that point you're burned several orders and managed to get close. Pretty much the only smoke in the faction is hard to ignore, though.

>specially since they're likely to get their own ML/HRL profile
Until that happens ORCs will remain where they are. And neither profile has been hinted at officially. For all we know they could get a Spitfire, combi + auxbot and MSR.

>not running HI heavy Hassassin's with 4 man Asawira link and dual Ayyars

It's like you don't even want to inflict fear into the enemies of Haqqislam!

Cool cat statue, where did you get it?

Asawira are kind of ugly too, and they don't even have a core link.

>(not the only example in game)
cough cough riot grrls

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. Roughly 100% of the time, that Daofei HMG will be a spitfire or Multi-Rifle to the point that my opponent will forget that it ever was an HMG.

>orcs are actually cheap compared to other 'standard' HI, their eventual fireteam

Mobile Brigada say hi at roughly 3 points less but with +1 WIP and -1 BS and LFT on multi-rifle options

Janissaries say Hi at -4 points and +2 WIP -1 BS

Asawira say hi with Regeneration, MA L2 (read: stealth), +6 CC, BTS 9, Nanopulser, Shock CCW, and a mere -1 armor for the same points cost.

Shang Ji say hi at -1 BS and adding Kinematika + Shock CCW, +3 BTS, and +3 CC. (This is one where I consider the direct comparison in favor of the ORC as the ORC has better looking models and less competition)

Which isn't to say that the Wu Ming don't say hi with the various crazy loadouts to boot all roughly 5 point cheaper

You win the round with Suryats, as they're 4 points more expensive due to Vet and RT.

And those were just the armor 4 comparisons mostly.

Zuyong, Haramaki, Riot Grrrls, Magisters, Crane Rank mixed links, and others still exist.

Wait, fuck, am I going crazy? Asawira did have core link at some point right? I thought Zhanying had a core link for fucking ages too.

Yeah, they both lost it in HSN3.

Im actually curious about that morat pricing. Is it a cheaper veteran thanks to religious?

Asawira also have frenzy and assault.

Asawira have frenzy so that fucks up any talk about them.

For the more directly comparable ones, I've got the base combi price for each unit. Using Mobile Brigada as the point of comparison:
>Brigada: 34
>Orc: 36 (+2 points for +1 BS and -1 WIP)
>Wu Ming: 31, or 30 for newer profiles (-3/4 points for -1 PH)
>Janissary: 32 (-2 points for +1 WIP and religious troop)
>Shang Ji: 36 (+2 points for +3 BTS, a small CC boost and a shock CCW)
>Suryat: 36 (+2 points for -1 PH, +3 BTS and the Morat skill)

As you can see, this shit makes absolutely no sense. I can only assume that Jans were based heavily around the AP rifle+light shotgun combo and are cheaper for that reason, but it's still fucking weird. I can't even think of an excuse for Wu Ming getting cheaper.

The pricing of the morat rule is decided via dartboard. I tried figuring it out a while ago, don't try.

No cubes or something to that effect.

Put up a fearless aura and let's take Raxora!

So I've been away from Infinity for a long-ass time, picked up a Wildcat that I intend on converting into Felix and a copy of Outrage.
Is Knauf any good for a Nomad player to take?

He's good to replace a Grenzer, but definitely no replacement for an intruder, who's more solid overall with full camouflage and MSV2.

When playing a Morat Agreesion force how Agreesive should i be playing?
do i play the objective or go all out on kills?

Kill as much as you can, especially specialists.
Once you've secured the way, make an objective run.

>that I intend on converting into Felix
Let us know how it goes.

YJ is the HI faction?

Trying to find something I can turn into the shotgun and probably greenstuffing the ears and tail are gonna be the hard parts, I think. Statuesque do a nice line of heads and one has the Felix hairdo.

Greenstuff ears/tail aren't that bad to do at all. Made some for my Daktari, which I still need to finish painting.

The easiest to use Nomad Boarding Shotgun would be on the Bandit.

As for the rest, are your ideas similar to this? smaggminis.tumblr.com/post/159342512322/ranorasaurus-smaggthesmug-what-if-felix-had

Supposed to be, and then pan0 somehow gets at least as many, and other factions get ridiculous ones as well.

PanO's are mostly rather boring and weaker than YJ ones (aside from BS) and they don't get 5pts regular orders to fuel them.
Just compare Magisters to Haramaki.

Looks like the expansion boxes are hyped up. Possibly new sculpts for all.
Which is cool, because I dislike current Swiss HMG.

Haramaki actually have higher BS, which is key for an ML link. And are cheaper.

I hope they keep the Swiss and Daofei HMG as females though.

Also looks like the Daofei's getting a coat, not sure what to think of it. Also, possibly a close combat pose?

Honestly I hadn't thought that in-depth. Wildcat with filed breasts, a headswap and maybe the rocket launcher replaced with something from my Specops spares was the only plan I had. Thanks for the link.

That's sort of duplicitous. "Aside from BS" is a pretty enormous thing to set aside. The Aquila's superior to the Hsien in a one-to-one basis, just that the latter also gets easier access to smoke (which takes up an additional 13 points and 0.5SWC).

And Haramaki obviously won't be taken in vanilla, so all those nice HI shenanigans in vanilla don't apply to JSA.

So which faction has the best skintight suits?