FNM Promos no More

>foil tokens
Fuck, they may as well just give out nothing. That's probablt next.

But in a majority of places FNM is still standard. This hurts more than it helps.

Right, like those 0.20$ Eldrich Moon double-sided foil tokens.

>Why does Wizards hate the market that nets them 0 money on their IP

I hope you like playing standard on your saturday mornings.

Meh/10. Honestly, ghost rares at one per box on average are fine enough. Reward people for buying a box and cracking it, don't reward people for showing up to fnm because lgs will just scalp any good promo they know is worth money.

There's two types of prizes that exist in gaming:
- something that is used in the game
- something that helps you play the game without impacting the game

I don't fucking understand why people get excited for the latter. I don't need a fucking water bottle or t-shirt or hat when I win a golf tournament; I want fucking balls or clubs or even better, goddamn membership or a pass.

Likewise with Magic why the fuck do I want dice and tokens or useless cardboard deck boxes or dividers. I want fucking cards that are used to play the game you dense motherfuckers.

We're going from possibly being able to earn a playset of some dogshit promo a month to earning ZERO of anything useful a month.

>20

Actually it's 5$

why are big corporation trying to sugarcoat and conceal every move of their assfucking?

i would prefer, and trust them more, if they just said
>we've decided we need to fuck you in the ass to keep our business going, in fact it was a mistake to not have done it earlier,it might hurt a bit, but don't worry, we will use lube

than
>our data indicates that our consumers manifested high interest in prostate exams and as part of our consumer rewards system we decided to introduce you to new and exciting ways to enjoy biting your pillow, and it's all in your best interest we promise

We understand they are a business and it's their objective and right to try to sell us different products while giving us less value for more money.
Why should anyone pretend otherwise?

But it's not.

The secondary market fuels the purchase of booster packs and boxes. Re-sellers buy them en masse to get good cards.

Because that's just the way Bureaucracy works. That honestly dishonest business jargon is just another reason to hate The Companies in this Orwellian Cyberpunk Dystopia we're headed towards.

>responding to someone who is being intellectually dishonest on purpose for (you)s

It doesn't. It could kill that market right now by offering individual reprints of all cards for a flat rate regardless of rarity and usher in a new age of Magic and eternally BTFO richfags and their three thousand dollar decks. But they won't because it would make said richfags who only buy secondary anyway mad.

I wonder if this was their call or Hasbro's.
"Why are you giving people free cards?" "To reward people for coming to-" "You sell cards, you don't give them away for free. No more free cards."

>SCG

Giving away a promo token costs the same as giving away a promo real card. If it was Hasbro they'd say no all together. You can argue there's an opportunity cost (Now people wont open Kaladesh packs for Aether Hubs) but when you only print uncommons I don't think thats true. Clearly Wizards thinks this will attract more people.

Well, it will if the tokens are good. Would you rather a random uncommon or a neo-phyrexian bear token? What about an Eldrazified Gobbo, or some sort of shredded zombies?

It's $15 on TCGPlayer, but its still a decent money card. Glorybringer was also a $10 card. You can't fault their recent promo choice.

so you're saying if they keep doing the fnm promos like they are now it's going to make richfags mad?
or are you just choosing to conveniently ignore that point to spin your narrative.

it's unbelievably shitty for players for them to do this. like, it's just undisguised shitting on the players with no upside whatsoever, either for us or for WOTC. it's unbelievable. it doesn't even save them money. it's just shitting on the players for no reason. they just print awful sets and make it shittier to play their game and expect us to thank them and act like they're The Voice Of The Fans. it's so completely fucked.

i hope someone tells MaRo and everyone else to go fuck themselves at HasbroCon

I can fault your stupid thinking that it actually is worth it, or will be in 3 days outside of some overpriced stores. There are already listings on e bay for 8.

The card is decent, but you are retarded with your "OMG TWENTY DOLLA$ GUYZ, WIZARDS IS KILLIN IT"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>wizards
>secondary market
Both are fucking shit right now, fuck off (((Rudy)))

I'd rather they put sweet art on uncommons that are format staples.

>sugarcoat
So let's say that you work for a corporation where there is a record of every fucking thing you say to the public.

One day you get reviewed. Someone is going to go through every fucking thing you have written down on record and they will need to see that you've done your very best to mitigate anger or hatred that would impact the performance of the firm. The people typing this horseshit up know this and they know that it's the difference between a promotion or not or getting fired or not depending on how well they express fucking the customer up the ass.

And now you know why CEOs that bankrupt a company into the ground somehow find jobs elsewhere as a CEO again. It doesn't matter if they outrageously fucked some people in the ass - good or bad actions are necessary in their position, what is important that they DID IT IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. And in the future their most valuable asset is showing that they are capable of keeping the idiotic public as happy and ignorant as possible.

"Open kimono" is not the best policy. In fact, it's the worst fucking policy when dealing with the public. The only people who work with the actual facts are the lawyers and the accountants. So let me bring up a hypothetical situation. A CEO fires 10% of the staff for no good reason; well, guess what that CEO puts on his CV; they "cut costs and improved margins" and they pull up the numbers following that action and it proves that yes, indeed they cut costs and improved margins; it's right there on the public financial report. That guy looks like a fucking genius to everyone in the business even though the customer is bitching and complaining that customer service or quality has gone to hell.

but user everyone here knows the secondary market isn't real :>) be sure to buy the newest box of Hour of Devastation! (tm) at your next FNM!

>uncommon
>format staple
Let's assume that wizards continues to print format staples, like Push, at uncommon. They already know what is a staple, thus they're less likely to print it in the first place, since you crack packs for one anyways. It also doesn't mean you won't get staples with alternate art, you just won't get them at fnm, but maybe in a precon or a duel deck.

> Only promo I really want.

K.

Perhaps I didn't explain well enough, what I'm trying to say is that they offer a service that allows you to custom order speciffic cards from older sets, ones from packs that are no longer in circulation, charging for the additonal
cost of producing them in small batches. Imagine all the popular cards from before, say, the Theros block being available to order directly from Hasbro. Suddenly richfags decade old cards will be worth the cardboard they're printed on. The secondary market would crumble.

They don't want to do that because the secondary market indirectly makes them huge piles of cash.

Why the fuck is an article being published on Sunday?

God, they're officially the government. Announce shit on the weekend so fewer people pick up on it.

then you just don't do that, you start fixing the market now and let anyone who wants to keep their "old money" cards from older sets keep it.
this is what it looked like they were trying to do with promos but we're taking a step backwards now.

we don't need reprints of older cards that have insane value but cards like fatal push (9 dollar uncommon) need reprints because it's a fucking 9 dollar uncommon that every black deck has to run in standard.

Really? How?

If WotC doesnt care about secondary market why is the reserved list still a thing? Or is that going to burst with the two upcoming Masters sets?

Do you think people would open packs if they didn't think there was a chance of a money card? It's like a scratch card.

This is inflated more by Modern Masters where Wizards charges 3x much because they put Fetches in.

The secondary market purchases huge sums of product from the primary market. Every time there is a chase mythic that half the format needs to run playsets of, a large sum of boxes are cracked to amass those playsets.

Isn't that card like a thousand big ones

Okay, I see. That makes sense.

>Time Walk in sealed

Still much worse than time walk in any other format.

>everyone complains about the FNM promos being shitty cards
>they decide to make them better, which is why we're getting shit like Hub and Push
>for whatever reason, they decide to do away with this for tokens. despite improving the FNM promos

I get mixed messages from wizards all the time. Like two different entities are making decisions for the company who aren't communicating at all.

Why not give the tokens at prereleases still? Why not give them with sealed products like commander and starter decks? Why not give them with boxes? Why not have a chance to open one in a pack, making people more interested in opening packs?

All of these are ways to supply the demand for foil tokens. They were doing a pretty good job with the FNM promos, finally.

The only way I can see this being some fiscal-based decision is if they were in bed with third party sellers, because it increased supply for chase cards, which is what everyone who plays wanted. It costs the same to them either way, and realistically, these promos being good cards should actually improve sales because newer players have something to work towards (placing high to get a useful card for their collection, keeping them coming to FNM and participating).

I think it's because they are completely out of touch with their playerbase and just look at their charts or marketing techniques.

I can see them changing something that most people are currently happy about, because tokens ranked higher on the latest survey or something.

Yeah, but it's weird to not try to work with the feedback from AFTER you made those changes. We're talking about feedback that was given during shit like SOI where we had really garbage FNM promos, and the zombie tokens were new, flavourful and exciting. Working with that feedback isn't really a good decision, especially in the context that they've improved the FNM promos drastically.

Ahahahahaahaha oh wow. So after the Fatal Push FNM promo, I'll no longer have any reason to go to FNM anymore. Nice, see ya later, Standard and Modern.

>The only way I can see this being some fiscal-based decision is if they were in bed with third party sellers
I have difficulty believing that because of how little money it represents (relatively, it probably still accounts for 5+ figures for CFB and SSG).

Maybe its another step in many steps (like nerfing Judge foils, prerelease promos, release promos) killing FNM promos. Maybe the ultimate goal is to kill good promos entirely; we're almost there to be honest.

Maybe one group of promos (FNM promos) doesn't impact the secondary market but all the promos do. But that strikes me as an incredibly incompetent issue in negotiations. Like could you imagine if SSG goes to Wizards (and they have) and complains about promos being too good impacting their bottom line? That just strikes me as a level of godawful pettiness that I wouldn't accuse my worst enemy of having.

I mean maybe you're 100% right. I already think Wizards are as fucking disgusting as Valve or Blizzard when it comes to things like this. They're successful but it's because they've sold their souls to make money from the most retarded portion of the market.

Wizards seems very much like Sony's Playstation department this Console Generation. They practically fell into their sucess by mostly being not as bad as their competitors at the start, but they don't really know why they are successful. They also have a significant fanbase that's incredibly apathetic to the company's policies and just keeps buying product at regular intervalls, stifling any need to actually have a good look at themselves.

I've been out of MTG for a couple years, can someone give me a quick rundown on the difference between FNM and Showdown? Why are there two standard things in the week but Showdown seems to be pushed more heavily despite being newer?

They offer different prizes, and AFAIK FNM does not have to strictly be standard, so WOTC pushes for people to play Showdown so that people play standard?

FNM gives out FNM promos. It's on Fridays. Can be any officially sanctioned format your store wants.

Showdown is similar and on Saturday or Sunday. Standard only. Gives Showdown Packs instead of promos. (Containing right now two standard legal rare/mythics a standard foil and a full art land)

at my shop fmn is modern draft and edh and the standard showdown is standard

They've stated specifically that there are no Reserved List cards in either of the upcoming Masters products.

LOL at this company. They show just how greedy they are after each and every "announcement." When was the last time they announced something that players actually wanted? That was valuable? That was fun? Any time they post an article you know something is being taken away from you, are (((they))) are pushing you more and more toward standard.

We really need a competitor card game to push this trash company out of the market

>when was the last time they announced something that the players actually wanted? That was valuable? That was fun?

arguably, when they announced Unstable.

I just don't understand. Why don't they put something people REALLY want for those promos? So difficult would be some standar staple from Ixalan each month?

What will be even funnier is the fact that they will deliver foil tokens without alternate art. They are jews and, instead of tempting me and my casual gf to go to FNM, now I will just assisst to the local standard league. My gf possibly won't touch a LGS never again because those promos was their little consolation prizes for her crap deck.

Fatal Push, and Aether Hub is a decent card.

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what said. Ixlan sound pretty cool too imo

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They can put out quality products and still be anticonsumer as fuck

>Unstable
you don't know anything about the set but you're convinced that it's what you want, that it's valuable and that it's fun. You've sucked MaRo's dick long enough that his propaganda eroded your brains, congratulations. Have you preordered it yet like a good goy you are? I bet you had.

I laughed heartily

because the secondary market nets wizards literally 0 money. why the fuck would they care about it?

well promos were basically the only reason i went to FNM sometimes so i guess its just kitchen table magic for me from now on

>Secondary market gets BTFO again

Thank Christ, i hope WotC continues to shit all over those kikes.

>kikes shitting on other kikes
k

I think this might be the first thing they've done that's so obviously terrible that MaRo isn't even defending it on his Tumblr. And that dude will defend anything.

It doesn't even need to be about the secondary market! Even if you don't give a shit about the secondary market, tokens are just way worse prizes than promos! It's a much shittier experience for players even if you don't care about the money at all!

If I didn't own so many cards from the 90's I'd liquidate my collection right now, thank god I mostly buy from the secondary market so mark doesn't see a dime from me but they keep testing me really hard with all of this.
I kek'd.
If the reserve list ever goes I'm out for good.

FNM buy out when?

I'm all for getting Guay Basics, but this just seems so fucking stupid.
10 bucks says they are gonna reverse this decision by the end of the year.

>If the reserve list ever goes I'm out for good.
This means we don't fucking need you so don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I won the Aether Hub promo at FNM and while I don't play standard it was cool winning a card that's good that I can sell for money. I don't need tokens, I can print cool tokens from my computer that I'm probably going to like more than whatever the promo ones are.

>my store hands out promos free with attendance
gonna get me like 12 fatal pushes

>thank god I mostly buy from the secondary market so mark doesn't see a dime from me
Where exactly do you think that the secondary market gets its cards?

I seriously can't believe there are people not only defending this move, but are shaming people complaining about this change.

>(((Weisel)))

I dont even care about the promos so much since the store would just give good chubnks of store credit to even top 8 or 4 if they decided to split but thats bullshit, tokens over promos is a step down in every way

>actually wanting nuPhyrexia

Yikes

>I think it's because they are completely out of touch with their playerbase

We've known this for a long time on the fluff end of things, they've burnt pretty much anyone who played for the fluff at this point and the only thing keeping anyone around is EDH. I wouldn't be surprised to find this is the case for design too.

delet

snek dad did nothing wrong

he does not like the best phyrexia

I bet you liked the power ranger daleks too

>13th is a woman
I hope her character isn't just "I have a vagina"

It's going to be.

>that image
Good taste

"I find it easier to run know with nuttin tween my legs"

God fuck no, I was spared that particular shit (I only watch Dr.Who sporadically).

But New Phyrexia was as good as the old one. Especially the white faction, they really turned shit up to 11 with the porcelain and machine orthodoxy.

haha, nah, she'll be just that and telling people how being a man all this time was stifling her creativity.

>no more real cards, only tokens
>last promo is fucking fatal push

How much if a cluster fuck will FNM be in september?

God I hope so! Never jump to conclusions, but be cautious, for we have yet to find how much cynicism is enough for the world. After all, Promos were just ended.

At least the last promo is of a chase rare, but yeah, why did WotC cheap out again?