/WMG/ Warmachine and Hordes General

Most people don't want to play the gunline stuff in skorne. I know I haven't bought into winds of death just because I don't want to play it, I realize it's strong. I'm wondering how good jalaam will be at delivering praetorians whenever that theme comes out. I think he'll be pretty good

Deadeye has the ability to be super strong, yes.

But that caster does a lot of extremely good things.

TOO BAD IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT SKORNE PLAYERS WANT TO DO

Man its so funny, last edition all that skorne wanted was a better ranged presense.

I didn't want anything last edition, I was fine with the state of the faction. Then PP came and broke everything.

You think so?

Warpath is incredible for most Skorne warbeasts. His feat and AoD lets him deliver all sorts of infantry, including Cataphracts. Hell, Acuraii love Deadeye. Immortals with UA are the only Skorne unit that can naturally gain Concealment, so he can deliver those immortals like no one's business. Deadeye works wonders for the various spray beasts.

Sure, he plays a mean ass gunline, but it's hardly the only thing he does.

Wow...That's...Amazingly childish.

How is that childish?

The whole "I know there was a market presence for it, but I want my motherfucking toys even if they are bad for the game!!!"

I know my faction had some busted toys in MKII, but they really did limit the scope of the game to what could deal with them, and anything that didn't reach their level was always passed by.

Maybe I'm not the guy in the post chain with you. I just commented about how I was happy with the state of Skorne in Mk2 and how PP basically ruined everything.

It sounds like that user just didn't want Skorne to have a ranged presence, dude. Not sure why that makes him childish.

Ded game, who cares

Hey, dumb question, but i was reading the khador command book & noticed a lack of winter guard. Is the book like a WIP or sample, or are winter guard no longer a thing?

Sample. It's complicated, but point being that Winter Gaurd will later get massive releases, and will get extensive history and development in the NQ Prime...Eventually.

At the moment, the approaching releases refer to Man O wars.

Command books were a mistake. So was not printing cards

>We're printing faction decks
>Oh wait no we're not

>We're making command books
>Oh wait no we're not

>We're going to do a big errata every 6 months
>Oh wait no we're not

>You don't have to play themes to be competitive
>Oh wait you do

>We're going to use CID to errata the game better
>Oh wait no we're not

>Kriel Warriors just got added to the Northkin theme
>which means Kriel Warriors are now in CID
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

At this point why not just put the entire faction in CID?

It needs it

Madrak1: Back in the game?

>The market has changed so instead of moving forward with a bad plan we're adjusting our approach to new releases
>Some how this is a bad thing

Because they want to try and keep their focus narrow(ish).

YES I WANT TO REMAIN BITTER FOREVER! FUCK JASON SOLES HE BRONZED MY CAT!

When you change direction at every crossroads, it's time to admit that you are lost.

Seems pretty good.

I still maintain bitterness

They'll nerf this.

Yo, Conflictanon. I can't add a command attachment to my Kriel Warriors under Storm of the North.

dumb question but, is there a homebrew ruleset to battle warmachine stuff vs warhammer stuff?

it's the base rules, actually. The games are made using the same engine, but their resources are inverted - where warcasters HAND OUT their resource, (whatever hordes equivalent is) pull theirs off their beasts at the start of a turn

He said Warhammer, not Hordes.

He said Warhammer, not Hordes.

NotLikeThis

shit, whoops. I don't think so?

How did you read "Warhammer" as "Hordes"?

look, it's been a while since I "slept" or "stopped drinking"

I don't think it'd work to be honest
The games are on way different scales, and the systems are completely incompatible.

I dunno, 8th might make it easier. Not that it'd be easier, but easier.

what about homebrew simple warmahordes rules?
kind of like in the emperor's name for 40k.

Where do you actually find the Grymkin rules? It looks like the command book is just lore and theme forces.

cards.privateerpress.com/

cards.privateerpress.com/

How does the Arcana work?

cards.privateerpress.com/

Where on the cards does it indicate how many Arcana they get?

cards.privateerpress.com/

>the market has changed
>so we must change
>oh shit the market didn't like that
>Oh Well keep letting the decisionmakers decisionmake

Literally Matt Wilson's Ego

>When you change direction at every crossroads, it's time to admit that you are lost.
They haven't? The only real major changes that weren't planned ahead of time was the removal of volunteers and moving books into NQ.

You didn't think CID was just made up and released randomly did you? They've been planning that for a while

>be a retailer
>stock faction cards because it's a new edition so why wouldn't you
>hear nothing from PP
>suddenly the hundreds of dollars I've put on my shelf are literally worthless
>repeat for years
Even if you still like the game, they're souring their relationships with the people who help move their shit

What store stocks thousands of dollars of faction cards? That doesn't happen and unless you're an idiot you knew those cards wouldn't be used forever. Cards were going out of style last edition and moving to digital along with the rules being free.

The reason they printed cards at all was so you could play with the toy solders you live to bitch about on day one

Same thing with GW and indexes

GW openly said that the indexes were a temporary thing until the codexes come out. How much advance notice did PP give retailers before they stopped using the cards they spent time to make and release for their new edition?

The truth is with DC gone their development has no non-tournament side to it. Cult of Hungerford and Panini was a bad choice

Sure they have. That's why a few months before it was announced they were still shitting on the lousy playtest experience they had with Hordes.

Believe what you want, but there are very few signs that they've done anything but react (and overreact) poorly.

> reads "hundreds of dollars"
> mocks "thousands of dollars"
Fuckwit spotted.

I don't think you understand how development works

>you probably don't even talk in the faction forums

Actually PP has said that at start that faction decks would be updated with errata. They pulled the rug under the retailers.

GW indexes were from the start, a stop gap measure considering that the new edition was ridiculously different from their previous editions until the proper codex releases were done. Only mild gripe is that marine players only used their index book for a month, which isn't even all that true since indexes still contain Blood Angels, Grey Knights, and Legion of the Damned stuff.

PP is basically 6/7th ed 40k era GW right now.

>with Madrak1 and under krielstone our heavies become 14/20
Oh man, those are some DELICIOUS stats

Did anything of actual worth even happen there? Good riddance

It won't last. PP will fuck it up somehow.

It's in testing for a reason guys

>it's just a beta

Oh no, I found the autistic shitlord :(

It is? Literally. I don't understand what you're bitching about

You do realize where you are right?

That picture disturbs me

>LEAVE PP ALONE

>Champs are 16/18
>Champs can charge through themselves
>Longriders can charge through champs
>His feat heals both

Paaaagggaaaannniiiiii

Hungerford isn't in model dev and will pastrami is an assistant. If you're going to cry about something at least get it right

my apologies, I meant to say: Read the fucking cards. There's a card that comes with every fucking Grymkin warlock that tells you exactly how arcana work.

MY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

I didn't say that? If they fuck up call them out on it. I don't understand the complaint about beta rules. They're there to be tested and change

>let's increase def on champs so they don't get hit.
>let's give retalitory strike so they hit when they get hit

WTF is this bullshit design?

conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0a4Njnjnjo6G6O6O0k0miTcEiTcE

Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Band of Heroes

!!! Your army contains CID entries.

(Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29]
- Dire Troll Brawler [16]
- Dire Troll Brawler [16]
- Pyre Troll [8]
Fell Caller Hero [0(5)]
Trollkin Champion Hero [0(5)]
Trollkin Champion Hero [5]
Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6]
- Stone Scribe Elder [3]
Trollkin Champions (max) [16]
- Trollkin Sorcerer (3) [9]
Trollkin Champions (max) [16]
- Trollkin Sorcerer (3) [9]

It's the fucking spell retard. Not inherent defense.

It's so they can be tank and punch back?

>Read the fucking cards

That's actually better than just posting the link, as some people are on phones and can't see the cards well. Especially when half are upside down.

Or did typing the actual explanation cost you that much energy? Seriously if online interactions are that painful for you, I feel for you in the real world user

>Assuming you interact in the real world

But they can't tank because their armor isn't the thing getting buffed.

That's what the stone is for
And Sanguine Bond so they can pass around the wounds to avoid casualties
Especially the latter when you realize they are allowed to pass the wounds onto Trollkin Sorcerors

Looks nice but I'd like Mauler to put Rage on those Brawlers.

>Mauler or Mountain King

Every Troll list that is not a Cryx/Khador answer should ask that question and answer it first user

5 billion years in MS Paint

Fixed. Thanks for the report.

Do you really need +3 over +2 from the Pyre?

I can't add two units of Champs to the Storm of the North

>Yes they lifted that restriction

Uh user, I'm sorry to break the news to you but the Pyre Troll animus became self in Mk 3.

>troll the animus dependent on faction
>remove animus
>expects the faction to not become shit
What was PP thinking?

Honestly I think everything they've done since hiring Pagani had actually been... As good as I've ever seen a tabletop company do.

As far as I can tell they haven't screwed up much since he was brought on board... The really bad stuff -- Mk3 release snafus, Una2, Caine3 -- were decisions made before he was brought on.

I really can't fault anything they've done since CID started.

>box two out of a Dire Troll's three spirals
>pops regen for two
>good as new!
>proceeds to mulch a heavy and a half in response
Why even bother differentiating spirals when they're never capped out?

I'm
Sure
You
Can't

because when your spirit goes down, you can't regen?

Because other factions aren't Trollbloods and don't have regeneration.
Also, Trolls can't regenerate if you take out the spirit column (needs to be forced to do it)

Still requires the force to regenerate (and hence doesn't work if spirit is out), and even if sprit is out, the caster has to spend Fury and it invokes an order of activation requirement.

Yeah, it's not as bad as repairing jacks, but beasts cost more for the same stats, so it mostly evens out.

I think it may have been Mind and Body, but next time I'll check before he heals.
And now I might actually grab some Ghost Snipers and a box of Ryssovass Defenders for that targeted damage if my LGS keeps picking up Troll players, since I keep getting cucked by Regen and good Tough rolls.