Endgame goal

Was she right in the end?

She was right about Jedi Order and Sith being a bunch of deluded retards. Both were too reliant on the Force and misguided in their own Code. That doesn't mean, however, that her teachings were entirely true. She merely helped to root out corruption out of both orders.

depends on the choices the PC made

You mean the jedi exile who left the order to join Revan even though the jedi council said no?

Not that user, but I think it's about defining moment at rebuilt Jedi Enclave
youtube.com/watch?v=8VvS5MLnG0Y
youtube.com/watch?v=3EtByaOxiwE

Didn't she want to kill the force?

I think it was just a lie to lure Exile on Malachor V. She needed Exile to fight her to death in order to finish Exile's "apprenticeship".

Strap in, it's gonna be awhile.

youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0S0Z8lUTg

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According to OT canon, no. Her philosophy is fundamentally flawed as there is no "Light Side of the Force", only "the Force", which is perfectly balanced, and the corruption of it which is the Darkness Side.

Kreia as a character is specifically wrong about her views of the force and is a bitter old woman clinging to her own sheltered view of the universe. In the end she and her philosophies are undone by her seemingly uncontrollable compulsion to betray others. Kreia was manipulated by the forces she thought she understood and sought to rise above and manipulate.

This is on purpose of course, and is the entire reason the game builds her up as an infallible mentor while also having most of her teachings revolve around not simply accepting shit at face value.

She's a surprisingly deep character, especially when it comes to how she truly cares for the Exile.

>According to OT canon
>Believing Jedi Propaganda
Also according to OT canon. The Darkside was supposed to be Weaker, yet the Sith purged the Jedi Order

The Dark Side is weaker. That's why it has to resort to manipulation to win. That's why only two Sith Lords can exist at any given time or they are all weak as fuck.

I'm with you on the "no such thing as the light side" and prefer the zen taoist whatever balance vs imbalance but I think its a bit disingenuous to use it to refute Kreia since the game has a built in light side-dark side binary morality system that ties in heavily to the game's narrative and characters relationships/interactions.

In the Last Jedi trailer Rey talks about Light and Darkness. light side of the force is sadly becoming a thing.

>Light and Darkness. light side of the force is sadly becoming a thing.
pic related.

At least the Jedi are going to go Extinct. No more Religious wars for the Galaxy.

I don't like it either yah schmuck but Light side of the force is a thing in recent times. burying your head in the sand doesn't make it unhappen

Given Star Wars naming conventions so far I wouldn't put to much weight into the word last. It most likely just means that Luke will be dead by the end of the movie and Rey the only living Jedi. The Ordet will likely be better by the end of the next one.

it could just be Luke being mopey in the first two acts before Rey gets him all "yay Jedi!" again

Kreia wanted to kill SW's god: the Force, which she saw as a capricious motherfucker. With the death of the Force the universe would be entirely mundane, and 'free'.

She was channelling the dark god Chris Avellone who gave her lines about the force and the fourth wall mirroring his own.

If the jedi exile is lightsided then she is a great teacher

Always amazes me how people fail to understand her, but then again I've played Kotor 2 over ten times, so:
>subtly hinted at, and at a few points outright stated, that the galaxy goes through phases of Light-side-dominated stagnation and dark-side-dominated ruin
>Kreia hates this
>she also hates the way the force essentially controls everything, makes people behave stupidly by following either of the extremes, and generally removes human agency
>also dislikes the inequality in power it causes (this one may be a bit shaky)
>because of all of this, she thinks that the galaxy would be better off without the force, and seeks a way to destroy it once and for all
>the exile is that way, the events of kotor 2 are the culmination of her discovering the exile and then trying to use them

She's not wrong, honestly. That's why I love her so much.

Not necessarily weaker. Luke asked if the Dark Side was stronger. Yoda said no, but a quicker path to power, but seductive. The rule of two was created because Sith are all douchebags and eventually will stab each other in the back.

its ashamed Veeky Forums hates her

does anyone have a you tube video with all her dialogue so I don't have to replay this bad game all over again?

>do thing
>"that was the wrong thing to do, you're stupid"
>do opposite thing
>"that was the wrong thing to do, you're stupid"
There, that's all of her dialogue.

I guess I'm just too dumb or don't get obsidian's AMAZING writing, but come on, there's grey morality and then there's just being a contrarian little shit.

Except she explained why either path was bad in detail rather than just saying "hur dur you're a nigger jedi". She's against either extreme, with a definite dark side bent toward personal relations and a light side bent toward actions.

When you have a high wisdom or intellect, you will be given a plenty of opportunities to disagree with her criticism. She even will say that you're doing good for thinking on your own.

fucking finally. someone who gets it

kreia did nothing wrong

She doesn't have a personal vendetta against you user, she wanta you to think critically, so she criticise a lot of what you do so that you'll think about your actions, your motivations, and their consequences (especially in relation to the Force and its ripples)

Doesn't she also accepts and approves of lightsided action if they aren't purely altruistic?

Yes. As long as you've got a reason for what you're doing, and can elucidate for her why you did it. Even when you're being a dick to her or someone else, she doesn't care, as long as you've got a good reason for doing it.

Rey is not going to be the last Jedi because she is in fact a reincarnation of the Light Side itself. As the next movie will show, the Force came out of a mystical tree and assumes the forms of a woman (the Light Side) and a man (the Dark Side.) The man will kill his sister and regret it, setting off a chain of reincarnations that end with Rey being the very embodiment of the Light Side (thus being Luke's master) and Snoke as the very embodiment of the Dark Side.

Because the Force is female, the Doctor is female and the future is female, shitlords.

This is some Dave Sim level of shittery.

Is this legit or some kind of copypasta? Got any source on that?

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It's legit and fresh from /tv/. Started as a copypasta nobody wanted to believe, but then candid shots of the island sets came out showing an emphasis on a big-ass tree.

Pure altruism is a good thing.

>/tv/

The Porgs are also Force birds that fly using their telekinetic powers, as they're too fat and adorable to fly otherwise. They look like a cross between a penguin and a seal and a puffin and they're the next new line of billion-dollar merchandise.

The reincarnation thing is canon.

I wouldn't put it past them, this is a media climate that completely ignores shit that doesn't work in favor of pushing your shit.

Example? Sony is doubling down on the 2016 Ghostbusters cinematic universe, even though it was both a financial and critical disaster. Expect numerous sequels, crossovers and video games.

youtube.com/watch?v=DqVzKiYOlQw

THE FUTURE
IS FEMALE

She approves as long as you get an advantage from it (and no, parangon powers aren't considered an advantage).

I got a textual let's play with pics and videos. It's great, and has the restored content.

lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/

When duel-wielding just isn't mary sue enough anymore...

learn what words mean before you use them, user

Well she only has 1 hand...

How can you corrupt a corrupt institution?

>and no, parangon powers aren't considered an advantage
Would she approve going full light or dark side if she knew there were mechanical reward?
Hell, I wonder how she would react if she somehow realized she's in a fiction.

It's simple, OP. We kill the Force.
She wanted to "kill" the Force, or at least sever the the connection of it with the Galaxy, because she believed it was an amoral thing/god-thing playing with living beings.
Of course, if her plan had came to fruition it would had fucked the galaxy beyond repair, leaving everyone as empty husks or Darth Nihilus-like-things

Not EVERYONE.
Just like, 99% of sapient beings because they're all too shit scared on some level to live without the Force, even the tenuous, painful connection they have as non 'sensitives'.

Hey, you think kreia watches Evangelion?

Being a patronizing mouthpiece for someone trying to make Star Wars into the morally grey setting that it isn't and can never be.

She certainly hated the Force, and no doubt would have liked to destroy it but her plans within the game had no actual means or real intention of doing this. The Exile's rejection of the Force was something she valued and sought to exemplify in her teachings and manipulations. I think realistically her plans were to prove her philosophies correct, wipe away the last of the old jedi (who she didn't even really consider jedi at this point) and the sith

She was a vindictive old cunt who spent her time manipulating you until you had no choice but prove her right or destroy yourself.

Rude

Only good post in this thread.

If Bioware games offered more than just a binary fucking choice, maybe that might be acceptable. But no, you just get bitched at until you just leave her behind in favor of someone on your team that isn't a shitter.

Hey, they learned their lesson with KotoR 2 and fixed their writing style for Mass Effect.

Except KOTOR 2 was obsidian and Bioware had nothing to do with the plot. They apparently hated it and retconed the exile in TOR

Good, Bioware knows what they're doing more than whatever Obsidian is.

>Bioware had nothing to do with the plot
>Still using the same retarded 'hitler or jesus' morality system that Obsidian doesn't and hasn't used since

Okay, user.

>Hey, they learned their lesson with KotoR 2 and fixed their writing style for Mass Effect.

I think being a nice guy versus an asshole is better than stark black and white, yea. I actually agree with you, but only with the 'evil' choices. Renegade choices tended to be pragmatic and fun rather than evil. But PAragon is still the good guy choice, where you rarely had consequences for. If the game sometimes punished you for making the morally right but impractical choice, I'd fully agree then. Or maybe at least made Paragon the rigidly by the book and lawful choice instead of being the good choice, that'd be better too.

TL;DR: Mass Effect was better but your choices were be good, or be an asshole but still good.

It wasn't a thing when the game was made though, so NuCanon can be disregarded.

See Force Tree confirmed. The Light Side is feminine confirmed, and Rey being the latest reincarnation confirmed.

With a million clone troopers. Then the Sith teamkilled each other out of existence.

To kill the force, and thus the concept of fate. If that wiped out all life so be it, better to have nonexistence than to be a slave to predestination.

She fully expected to fail, after all if destiny is a thing how couod you kill it? But she felt compelled to try.

What I meant was that nucanon can be disregarded when talking about Kotor II.

What

They were not corrupt.

Wasn't she a jedi who tried to find a solution for why the Jedi kept on falling to the darkaide

She figured the only way for that to happen was for no one to use the force.

Light Side and Dark Side being two extremes within the Force were a thing in Legends before, at the beginning of Je'daii existence. It's not a completely new thing exclusive for nuCanon.

>the beating will continue until morale improves

How does one kill the force

>paragon/renegade
>not binary choice

You can't, not without committing genocide on every species of plant and animal in the entire galaxy. Life creates the Force, remember? So it stands to reason that to end the Force, you need to end all life.

Which, as you might expect, is a completely impossible goal.

>caring about bioshit
>knowing about bioshit
>ever playing bioshit

But Kotor 2 is Obsidian

Tbh morality systems in RPGs are pretty much pointless outside of DnD adaptions and the sooner they're replaced by reputation systems the better.

And?

It was a thing exclusive to shitty EU stories, however.

>I think being a nice guy versus an asshole is better
Honestly, Mass Effect's morality system was fucking retarded. I get the feeling they were trying to go for Idealism vs Pragmatism, but most of the time it was just Doormat vs Insane asshole.

Bioware still salty Obsidian made a better game even without being able to finish it.

But the Exile was living proof that the universe would be able to survive in some manner.

Not really, no. She was still alive, and was literally using the Force by proxy of others. She was even literally bound to Kreia through the Force.

The Exile, unlike Nillus, didn't have force hunger pains from not eating Jedi. They were both essentially black holes when it came to the force, but the Exile had none of the horrible side effects probably because she didn't embrace her hunger. We don't know what would happen to the Exile in a universe without the force but Kreia believed that the Exile and whatever remained of the universe would be able to survive in some manner.

Wasn't this obvious from the game?

Considering/tg/ hates Kreia? No.

Double corruption

Yes. She could affect the force, but it wasn't *her*. It was drawn from people. Hell, the masters even comment on it - she was murdering her way across the galaxy and taking peoples force potential, even though she'd torn out her own. The force was an effect of the life in the galaxy, not the other way around. The universe would suddenly be depopulated of a lot of sapient life, but some could survive and go on.

Easily, you purge the old corruption and replace it with a new one.

>Jedi BTFO

Jedi are always BTFO

>The rule of two
>The only rule of the Two Sith
>still keep fucking breaking it