Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Fuck off, don't start stirring up shit

>That silly Gaunt art

When is the next book coming out? Its been a long time since Salvation's Reach.

Daily reminder that WAAC tourney fags have no place in "New GW" and should be denied games regardless of circumstance

SC: Dark Eldar and Skysplinter good starting points to begin an edgy elves army?

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anyone living in or around the Philadelphia area? I'm moving there this weekend and don't know my wargaming options.

What does the heavy weapon matter? In 5 Plague Marines I can take either two special weapons and a combi-weapon OR two Blight Launchers, which are better than most of the Heavy weapons CSM have access to. Meanwhile CSM get 1 potential Combi-Weapon, 1 Special/Heavy with a second Special/Heavy at 10 points. The CSM have a bigger footprint, worse firepower and thanks to the bigger unit size are actually more expensive. Their Grenades and melee attacks also don't reroll 1s To Wound. T5, 5+ FnP is also massively survivable. While a CSM takes 9 Bolter shots to take down, the Plague Marine requires 20.25.

i'm about to convert one of the figures from the deathguard into typhus (i have one but i got a 2nd chinacast one to make a bigger typhus.)

i'm thinking of taking the lord and either:

a: clipping his wrists off so the scythe is on his right and he's bringing it upwards in a forward swing

or

B: clipping the hands off the weapon and having it so the scythe is on the left side.

Jesus Christ that was terrible.

There's a GW in the north east. Not so many game shops in the city but a fair number in the burbs.

>Primaris Chaplain
>Primaris Apothecary

>seriously its not a replacement for manlet-marines

people believed this seriously?

warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/faith-fury-and-firepower-space-marines-preview-july23gw-homepage-post-1/

That is some rad fucking smoke, mate.

> Model A: Units within 12" of this model have -1Ld
> Unit B (Enemy): Units within 12" of this model can use their Leadership in place of their own

I have a rules question.
Let's say I have a Hemlock Wraithfighter, and my opponent is IG. They have a Commissar-Conscript horde within 12".
What is the Leadership of the Conscripts?

> 7
The Commissar grants them his Ld8, which is then reduced to 7.

> 6
The Commissar is reduced to Ld7. He grants this to the Conscripts, who are then reduced to Ld6.

About to crack open some dusty boys

Now i dont know much about 40k and its rules i come from sigmarwas my first wargame

And i´d like to ask someone who has more knowledge about the rules and this unit on what weapon option i should give them. Warpflamers or Inferno boltguns? Also should i go for the special weapon

They're not a replacement. Not until they're stopped being produced.

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Of all the Primaris models so far, this guy is probably my favorite. He strikes that perfect balance between "noble healer clad in immaculate white armour" and "brutal, practical field surgeon who mercy-kills with one pistol, then shoots your head and neck off with the other to get your geneseed".
It also helps that the old Apothecary and indeed the entire Command Squad box, is fucking ancient.

I get that plague marines are better vs Bolters but quite frankly i face a lot of shit that isn't bolters since not every player in the world plays marines. Plague Marines are barely better against S3 shooting and a 10 man squad of CSM with two heavy weapons has always seemed the far better choice to me than equivalent points in plague marines due to the extra bolter shots. Yeah they work well as small plasma carriers i suppose but at that point i would probably run fallen as cheaper dudes who can take five combi-plasma and reroll 1s on their own.

Boltguns. Far more versatile. And yes, the soulreaper cannon is absolutely worth it.

I wished they would just have called them what they are

Truescale marines

and made no rules or fluff bullshit around them

I'd say if the Commisar is within the Hemlock's AoE, it's 7, otherwise it's 8. If it only affects the 'scripts, then they still get their own, now even shittier, Ld overwritten by the unaffected Commisar.

Should I get into Tau?

So in the new codex, the land raider Excelsior isn't present? Can I still use the rules from the indexes?What about the HQ's on bikes - are those models dead now?

I mean if they just released them and basically said "They're replacing your shit." The space marine players would all throw an even bigger bitch fit anyways.

I for one welcome this new age that prevents new bullshit to rise, now if only scattbikes were gone for good, this game would truly begin to heal.

>Plague Marines are barely better against S3 shooting
33% is a bit more than "barely better"
>10 man squad of CSM with two heavy weapons
is illegal. You get either 1 special, 1 heavy or 2 special.
Also don't forget the Blight Launcher, which is better than all the other special weapons.

I would say that the Conscripts have Ld 8, unless the Commissar is in range of the effect, then it's 7.

Please help an upcoming Archon out, lads.

from what i gathered most of the sperging is coming from the fluff

Biggest aggravatior is the part about cawl making them in 1000 years or so in his basement.

Holy shit he's holding a geneseed.

>seriously its not a replacement for manlet-marines
Has GW ever said that?

It seems obvious to me that what's happening to Space marines right now is exactly what GW did to most of the fantasy armies.

Dwarves for example.
WFB Dwarves are still valid in game, they have rules as "the dispossessed" . But all the new dwarven models being produced are for the 2 new "dwarf" factions, steampunk dwarves, and angry naked dwarves.

Dwarves as they were before are now a legacy army, support for them is being discontinued and they are slowly being phased out with the 2 new dwarf factions taking their place.

The same thing is happening to marines right now.
I would be surprised if manlet marines get any new models. Instead, primaris will continue to be expanded, and manlets will take a back seat.

Now if only they would do their fucking job and nerf necrons.

Sure why not

Everything that wasn't overwritten can still be used. Aka you're supposed to use the new Datasheet for Intercessors, Reivers etc but stuff that didn't get an updated datasheet is still valid from the Index. The Primaris Rhino and Excelsior Land Raider, the Imperial Space Marine and the Bike HQs are still valid, just don't expect them to get updated in the near future.

They have indeed said they aren't a replacement.

Im watching this atm youtube.com/watch?v=6DqjcNd9mOY

Says he cant show points sheet because of NDA but talks about changes:
Khan has lost moondraken (lol)
Dreadnoughts have lost twin heavy flamer, twin heavy bolter and lost twin autocanon (although possibly just because they're forgeworld index rules instead of being in the codex, see later) (rip rifleman dreds)
Sergeants cant take combi-grav
Honour Guard can only take power axes (no relic blades/thunderhammers)
Chief Librarian Tigurius can throw out his Master of Prescience to a nearby 6" unit.
Datasheets not in the codex: Land Raider Excelsior, Tyrannic War Veterans, Terminus Ultra, Imperial Marine, Librarian on a bike, Techmarine on a bike, Chaplain on a bike, Apothecary on a bike, Chapter Ancient on a bike, Company Champion on a bike, Company Veterans on bikes.

POINTS CHANGES
Non primaris Lieutenant = 60pts total, primaris version 70pts total
Big bobby G same points cost, stormravens also
Hunter tank is -30pts, Marneus Calgar -50 pts, Ironclad dred -40pts, Chaplain Cassius -40pts. Emperors Champion -33pts, Sergeant Chronus -23pts, Captain in Terminator armour -17pts, Sergeant Telion +(plus)14pts, Librarian -2 pts, Chapter Champion -5pts, Sternguard -1pt (special-issue boltgun got reduced by 1point) Bikes -6pts, Attack bike -10pts, Inceptors -15pts, Land Speeder -10pts, Drop pods -10pts, Land Speeder Storm -10pts
Primaris Hellblasts 2 points more expensive but their guns are 2 cheaper so the same

Page 215
– Sudden Death
Change point 2 to read:
‘If at the end of any turn after the first battle round, one player has no models on the battlefield, the game ends immediately and their opponent automatically wins a crushing victory. When determining if a player has any units on the battlefield, do not include any units with the Flyer Battlefield Role – these units cannot operate within a combat airspace indefinitely and they cannot hold territory without ground support. Furthermore, do not include any units with the Fortification Battlefield Role unless they have a unit embarked inside – even the most formidable bastion requires a garrison if it is to
pose a threat.’

I get they wanted to end lists that were just all stormravens, but doesn't this also kill all air-cav? Unless you drop your passengers out turn one it's an auto-lose.

And get this: those faggots expect people to pay 5 bucks a month to watch their content. THIS sort of content.

33% for more than 50% extra points. Yeah i guess you get a plasma plus a lascannon or heavy bolter or something but you also get several more bolter shots, if the entire squad was packing blight launchers or something that would be awesome but they aren't.

Looks fine to me.

There's a tiny piece that goes into the main torso part underneath the plate with the Aquila on it. Then you attach the Aquila plate over that.

youtu be/1fn1luN3d_4?t=16m20s
This video shows that piece, shortly after 16:20

How to start AdMech? Will be probably starting as Kill Team / HoR and then building it from here

Necrons are like the fifth best army. Don't blame GW's rules for your vast ineptitude.

>Khan has lost moondraken (lol)
This has to be fake news.

Working on scouts and I hate it

Start Collecting box + Kastellans seems the way to go.

Is the commissar within 12"? No? Then their leadership isn't reduced at all.

Is the commissar in 12"? Yes? Then the conscripts get 7 leadership.

They're USING the commissar's leadership, they don't take it and then stack the same effect.

Its just that the datasheet isnt in there. Is his model still available, if not thatd explain it. Seems like they're removing rules for models they dont make any more but i dont know shit about white scars. See rifleman dreds.

I'm fleshing out the lore of my chapter and I have a question: are Space Marine fleets comprised entirely of Adeptus Astartes vessels (ie. Battle Barge, etc) or can ships of the Imperial Navy be present too? Like can the flagship of a chapter be an Emperor-class ship? Or can they only be boring battlebarges?

Any recommendations on what I could improve, though? Like, will it be able to hold up to armies of equivalent points?

I've played 4 games of 8th and every single one resulted in me being tabled. I'm sick of it.

This. Or Start Collecting + Kataphron Destroyers for another troop slot and some more firepower. Really just Start Collecting or 2, and then whatever models you like from there.

You fucked upo the link numnuts

pretty sure passengers in transports would count as "on the battlefield" for those purposes.
they count for the units in reserve limit

>10 man squad of CSM with two heavy weapons
>is illegal.

>n-nani?

"One Chaos Space Marine may replace his bolt pistol with a plasma pistol, or replace his boltgun with one item
from the Special Weapons or Heavy Weapons lists.
If the unit numbers ten or more models, an additional Chaos Space Marine may take one item from the Special
Weapons or Heavy Weapons lists."

I saw some people saying that the salamanders have the strongest chapter bonus now, what is it?

>mfw starting a SM army, not including a single Chad unit.

re-roll 1 failed hit in both melee and range per turn, per unit.

Good for you user

OG-Marines have a charme to them they couldnt really replicate with primaris in my opinion

Your point?

this boss gets it

...as long as yer talkin DEFFSKULLZ

An additional D6 hits for all flame weapons, and an additional D3 damage for all melta weapons.

Sounds pretty good, don't know if I agree that it's the best but I'm also not the type to build WAAC lists either so maybe there's some great synergy I'm not seeing.

But you can take 5 Plague Marines with 2 Blight Launchers. 133 points, take a decent amount of firepower to shit and will continue to shoot 4 S6 AP-2 D:D3 shots every turn like clockwork until your opponent deals with them. Keep two or three such squads aroung a cheap Chaos Lord and you have a relatively effective bastion of firepower.

Bolters are never good. The only way S4 AP0 D1 shots are ever good is when they come in massive quantities and preferably as auto-hits. For reference, see Taurox Primes, Flamer Crisis Suits and Aggressors.

some battle barges are actually refitted navy ships.

pretty sure the space wolves have one thats an Emperor class hull.

Navy escorts are also common.

Put a (.) between (youtu) and (be)

youtube.com/watch?v=1fn1luN3d_4&feature=youtu.be&t=16m20s

>I'm fleshing out the lore of my chapter and I have a question: are Space Marine fleets comprised entirely of Adeptus Astartes vessels (ie. Battle Barge, etc) or can ships of the Imperial Navy be present too? Like can the flagship of a chapter be an Emperor-class ship? Or can they only be boring battlebarges?
If Space Marines somehow got a hold of an Imperial Navy vessel, they probably would be able to hold onto it. The Navy certainly couldn't take it away.

It should work/10

All flamer weapons always roll a 6 for number of shots and all melta weapons always roll a 6 for damage.

No, embarked units are not on the battlefield.

Yes you need to drop at least some of your passengers turn 1. Just put them out of LoS and/or on backfield objectives. Alternatively take a cheap bunker and stick some troop tax guys inside.

Superior geneseed.

Ty :3

>Genetically weaker
But generally better.

That's a big door.

What chapter rules do I pick if I'm doing my own guys chapter, Do I have to pick Salamanders if there green coloured or am I allowed to pick any?.

Is giving out false info the new meme?

Weaker but smarter

I'm a bit scared of how the Primaris meme will affect the Blood Angels once they get their new Codex.

You thievin' gits, I iz talkin' about da best clan. Da flashiest, da one wiv da most dakka, da most teef and da best buncha ladz eva, DA BAD MOONZ!

There is enough space in the universe for all of it. Depends on how close the chapters are to the Imperium.

Or is it jeanetically better :^)

Fucking hell. They broke a tradition of at least five fucking editions. You can actually take 2 Heavies. Okay, I'm sorry I'm blind.

That's not how genetics work.

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In Battlefleet Gothic, you could take Imperial escorts in your fleet. As other anons have pointed out, a lot of battle barges are refitted IN ships, so I don't see an issue with it.

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You can pick any as long as your colour scheme isn't the exact copy of a known chapter.

>new Mark of Power Armour
>hey, uh isn't this "proportional/truescale"
>oh yeah, just mix and match it or field these new units Guilliman thought up to take advantage of their powersets. Compatible with all old marines.

10000

Yes it is, the average blackman, whos has trained as long/hard as the average white man will be stronger

Help a sort of poor fag... I have started a Krieg army and I can't quite justify the £70 for one basilisk shite. Anyone know of any historic WW1/2 miniatures that could work?