>>54505746

i have a story like that, but it was at a normal person home
>live in the great state of texas
>find a group doing 5e near me just switched over a few years ago
>exchange information everything seems fine
>i bring a blank character sheet with half-elf racial filled in
>guy said he had some homebrew classes for me to use he was insane about his stuff
>said he "balanced" the phb whatever that means
>lets call him c0re for now
>c0re is the dm and his wife is apparently some sort of chef
>got her diploma at cordon blue in texas or something
>frenchcookingintexas.jpg
>everything is fine at first but then we all hear this screeching
>im the only one freaked out and he just sighs and gets up from the table
>one of the players tell me has a daughter that has a few mental imbalances
>oh makes sense sure
>well he comes back after the screeching stops and we get almost through the session
>as were rping leaving theres this loud plopping smell
>i suddenly smell shit
>i look over and theres a toddler with shit in her hand grinning
>a guy starts cursing and i look over
>shit all over his shirt and phb and sheets
>the dm just sighs and takes his kid to the bathroom
>the guy tosses his shit and starts yelling
>the others take their leave quietly
>i have no idea what to do until his wife comes over
>she sends me home with some leftover breadsticks with cheese and herbs that were so fucking good
>i never respond to any of his texts again
>miss his wifes cooking though

>Never responded to any of his texts
You could've at least been an adult about it and told him you weren't comfortable being in the group.

That picture almost made me tear-up.
>We're in a shithole, but we don't have to be.
>We can be knights, wizards, swashbucklers and alchemists.
>And in the game no one has to think we're shit, we can be heroes.

From what I've previously read about this It seems like the popularity of D&D in prisons is a myth that stems back to couple of amateur blog posts, then every couple of months another overly liberal website expands on the story quoting friends of friends of friends.

Um... the article has actual interviews from guards and prisoners?
Not sure what your trying to argue m8

To be fair... It's fucking Vice.

Well, they don't usually outright make shit up. They have no problem slanting things, offering opinions as fact, failing to mention important details, failing to do any fucking research before they write, and generally being awful. But they don't tend to just fabricate stories.

Everyone in that group is a rogue.

>But they don't tend to just fabricate stories.
A bunch of their documentaries turned out to be at least partially staged. That being said I don't really know or care if they manufactured this story.

Americans don't believe in rehabilitation

I hadn't heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me

That was exactly the point that user was trying to make wasn't it? I don't think they're trying to say that it NEVER happens, just that maybe 1 in a thousand prisons have a gaming group in it

Pretty much because the people who are in prison are still low life scum

Hey Veeky Forums, where do undead criminals go?

The ghoulag.

I have zero credentials in the field of psychology and I'm only armchairing here, but perhaps it's a good idea to let inmates play D&D and other TTRPGs? I know not all hardened criminals are the same, but if we talk about the "redeemable" ones then they often either have problems with agression or problems with empathizing with others, both of which could be adressed in a playful manner through roleplaying. They are expected to assume the role of an entirely different person with potentially an entirely different personality, they have to think about what that other person would do or say and would have to consider and live with the consequences of their actions.

Considering that those in *correctional* facilities are also expected to re-enter society at some point, and considering that exclusive contact with other inmates probably doesn't serve that purpose well, perhaps they could even organize game nights where non-inmates that are looking for a group could join? For the safety of the visitors the inmates may have to be restrained in some way or another, but it would allow them to meet people from outside of prison, "normal" people, and play with them, have a chat, talk about what's going on outside et cetera. In the best cases, this might also mean that the inmates already have a new network of friends and associates from outside of the criminal circuit once they leave prison (meaning their chances of recidivizing are statistically lower).

Why isn't this a thing already? There must be something obvious I'm overlooking (other than the risk to the visitors).

US prisons don't actually care about rehabilitation, for a couple of reasons. First, even though the system is theoretically secular, America is still steeped in the cultural legacy of its puritan founders, and punishing sinners is a huge part of that cultural baggage even in the secular parts of society.

Second, American prisons are a business, and one which requires the existence of criminals. While an ordinary person might be overjoyed if crime actually stopped, the people in the prison industry would be out of their jobs-- their very lucrative jobs, for the executives on the corporate side.

I work as a CO in a smallish prison. RP games are fairly popular. The issue with a game night like you are describing are the visitors, not the inmates. In the few years I've worked there I have caught half a dozen people trying to bring in drugs, lighters, tobacco, etc. In low custody prisons, inmates are fairly well behaved (otherwise the wouldn't be there) I could see a volunteer or two coming in to run a game. Getting approval for something like that might be difficult. You would have to show that the benefits outweigh the risk to the visitors, inmates, and the security of the facility.

Because Americans hate criminals and want them to suffer.

>Prison officials sent Bey to solitary confinement, where he convinced the inmates in neighboring cells to play a game with him by yelling through the ventilation shafts.

No prison can hold the man whose mind is free.

You'd think they would pull a Joe Dirt and just leave it at a rest stop or something.

I think it's a little more common than that. My friends are part of a prison pen-pal program (the idea is that if you keep talking to someone on the outside, you've got a better chance of staying sane and getting out.) The inmates ask for books a lot. Books are some of the few things that are allowed on the inside and are also durable, tradeable, and relieve the boredom. The most popular books are mysteries and RPG books. They say there are a lot of groups going, using the slips-of-paper-for-dice method.

So, it's not just some rare thing the news picks up on. Writing to two random prisoners also turned up stories of jail D&D. And it makes sense. What would you do in that situation?

I agree with that statement. Fuck criminals

Shit, if I went to jail I'd probably start working on that novel.

Vice has been getting worse with every passing second.

>small time contraband will destroy their punishment
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I worked at a mental hospital built to hold kiddy didlers and rapists in perpetuity. I was a sort of temp worker because my license allowed me to technically do the jobs necessary there but not good enough to get a full time State job there (fucking unions man).

Any way. There was this one guy who had mountains of GURPS books. He used to game regularly with a group before he was moved to the medical wing. He was permanently housed in the medical wing because he was such a fat lazy piece of shit that he was stuck in a wheel chair and his left foot was slowly rotting away. He also never bathed and when I first had a shift at on the medical wing I was warned that a C.Diff infection was currently raging through the place so it was on quarantine. I was a bit confused how this could be. Someone would have to not wash their hands after going number two to really cause that kind of problem.

Turns out ol' neckbeard guy had a penchant for jerking off with his poo. And then he would smear his poo hands on the torn out pictures of Justin Bieber he had hanging in his room. Oh god, his room. He had Tiger beet posters of Justin Taylor Thomas and Justin Bieber all over the walls. I had to search his room one time and that's when we found the poo smeared pictures under his mattress and smeared on the wall. His sheets by the way were crusty (literally, like the stuff that falls off a scab) and yellow...and brown.

Any way...I would talk to this dude occasionally about gaming and games he played before he got locked up in the medical ward away from his friends. This guy had one of the rec rooms kind on all to himself with a whole bunch of GURPS and other gaming books I never heard off. People were content to leave him alone in there because he stank like shit and rotting flesh and was an asshole most of the time. He spent some days designing a campaign but he wouldn't talk about it to me because it "wasn't ready".

See, this is why GURPS is the best system. You can design any campaign with it. Even a campaign imagined by a overweight, rotting nurgle worshipper who uses his own poo to jerk it to Bieber.

One of his friends came to visit when the quarantine was over. The whole time he is asking if he could borrow a book because he and the guys kinda of needed it to finish the game they were playing before the Aspect of Nurgle got sent to the med ward. The fat guy refused (on the one hand I couldn't blame him because with him being stuck in med ward there was no easy way for him to get the book back). The guy who came to visit, I saw him in a normal ward I would watch over a few times. He and two other guys got to game regularly at least twice a week. They had no dice and I don't know what their games were about (aside from occasionally checking in the window in the door to make sure they were not fucking or killing each other I was supposed to leave them alone). The books they had I did recognize as some Roll20 modern and some D&D 3.5 core books.

Sure, seems like nothing till someone lights their room on fire making tattoo ink, or starts headbutting walls high on spice, or OD's because their heroin was laced with elephant tranquilizer.
But I can understand if you disagree. Between your rationalization of criminal behavior "small time contraband" and calling prison "punishment" I'd guess you have done a bit of time yourself.

Treat people like animals, they act like animals.

Interesting how you want to believe anyone who disagrees with you is a criminal.

Alright, I admit I jumped the gun a bit by implying that you are a criminal. I apologize. I just get frustrated when people trivialize the seriousness of contraband in prisons, because I am the one who has to run in and save these guys when something happens.

The guys in my mod spend most of their time eating junk food and playing videogames. Something I'd hardly call punishment.

>average fa/tg/uy

Why would he be rouge instead of blue like the others?

Even though I really don't care for GURPS, I have a gut feeling this isn't quite real considering the recent topics...

This. See

This is the right attitude, you wouldn't forgive your gf for cheating on you and take her back, neither would you ever trust a thief to never steal again.

It is, at the very lest, sort of common. A buddy of mine is a prison guard in Missouri and they find books and character sheets fairly frequently.

Sure sounds dandy but, due to personal experience reading article like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth cause most of the COs in NY are shitheads and don't allow PnP games.

Hell, next year families won't be able to send inmates packages anymore. They just have to send money so their loved ones can buy shit from the over priced prison approved vendors.

They usually warrant it.

>why isn't jail like a hotel?

You know what? This post rustles me.

OP image is corny as heck but... it's sorta heartwarming? These people who in the eyes of society are at the lowest rung, lower than even hobos, they still pretend to be heroes. That black guy still wants to be the knight in shining armor, protecting others. Whatever bad decisions he made that lead him here, now he at least pretends he made the ones that ended up with him being able to do that.

I'm usually a cynic, and I'm not sure why I'm extrapolating so much from this shitty MSPaint pic, I just feel optimistic about this whole thing, and you just have to go for the low hanging joke.

Because that wouldn't be profitable for the private owners.

I don't know, barbarian feels about right.

>bitching about someone making an honest living
>while defending thieves and liars and murderers
Really jogs the nog sir bog.

If you give everyone what they deserve, society becomes hell on earth.

tl;dr lol cry more

So are you actually unironically defending privatized prisons or is this one of those things where you're being a contrarian to rustle people

You are imagining things.

You asked a question, you got the answer. Or you think it's like that because we must stop inmates from reading?

>Something I'd hardly call punishment.

Yeah, and it's not rehabilitation either. Prisons are for-profit bullshit.

A sane system would like something like:
>mental health services for the crazies
>training and monitoring for the dumbass losers
>prison for the tiny, tiny minority that you can't do anything else with.

But, that ain't what we got.

Edgy.

... Sick Nick?

>rogues can't have shields and swords
You disgust me

There is nothing wrong with private business, even if it's prison.
At worst they'll bitch about having tougher laws that make the streets safer.

Privatized prisons are corporate ventures. A corporate venture must post consistently higher profits every year, in perpetuity. The primary revenue stream of a prison is a function of the number of inmates housed. The primary cost is vitals and amenities per inmate. How do you consistently post higher profits every year? Draw your own conclusion.

Fuck you Doug Dimmadome owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmajail

Alternately they'll loosen the bounds of what constitutes a crime while simultaneously making the punishments harsher, so that crimes that would have at one time resulted in a fine or community service now result in jail/prison time.

Notable for this are three strike laws.

That said, America doesn't give a shit about the causes of crime. It just cares about 'being tough' on it.

>he would look at his wife, Tyrone still in bed, his semen dripping from her mouth and say "I forgive you" then kiss her in the lips

>if you do bad things you get punished
Shocking concept I know, just stop breaking the damn law.

>crime college "makes the streets safer"

Corporations are neither good nor evil; they are amoral. They do whatever makes the most money. You have to create a system of laws that makes sure what makes the most money isn't, e.g., throwing babies into a woodchipper.

What makes the most money for prison corporations is lots of "crime" and lots of people in prison. Prisons create criminals, repeat criminals, all the research shows this.
They make the country worse for everyone else, but it makes money for them, so obviously they're going to do it. It's pointless to blame them; they're like money-seeking amoebas, basically mindless. But we do need to fix the system so they stop.

You know, not everyone shares your interracial cuckolding obsession. It's kind of weird how you keep talking about it. Keep it in your pants, man.

Alternately, only make laws against things that actively harm society and make the punishments fit the crime. You Americans scream about making government as small as possible, but Jesus Christ you want them to legislate against everything.

Your comparison is a false equivalence. I might as well compare your attitudes toward crime as being someone who would cut off his girlfriend's limbs and keep her as a torture doll for looking at another man, but I'm not a retarded shitposter.

You're right. We need to reintroduce corporal and other forms of punishment instead of relying on jails and the lie that is the rehabilitory theory of punishment.

As a law student, I guarantee you break seven different laws every damn day of your life. It's just that the police don't have a motive to, say, give a shit about people jaywalking across a mostly-empty street yet.

There are two reasons. First, most people want the government to stay the same size, or get bigger. Second, among those of who do want small government many give up on their principals quickly when it comes to their particular interests or their constituents. For example, the supposedly libertarian Ron Paul loved to jam important bills with pork for his district, and then vote against said bills to pretend he was against pork knowing it would pass anyway.

I don't fucking jaywalk you damned libby.

>A bunch of their documentaries turned out to be at least partially staged.
from what I've heard that's the case with almost every documentary ever that uses any newly filmed footage

>rehabilitation
Once a crook always a crook user.

If there aren't any approaching cars, most states don't consider it jaywalking, Mr. Law Student.

So, essentially, people only want bad shit to happen to other people, not to themselves.

Have you ever played music with your window open? Congrats, you violated laws about noise pollution! Ever thrown a single piece of trash out of your window, or Hell, even into the bed of your truck? That's against littering laws. Driven with one headlight because you didn't know the other was burnt out? Saw anything resembling "suspicious activity" and didn't report it to the police? You could be arrested for being an "accomplice" if it was illegal shit. And if you DO report it and it WASN'T? That's just as bad! Now you're being arrested for wasting police time! And of course, all this is assuming no NEW laws are passed.

Hence why I said "mostly-empty", Mr. Reading Comprehension.

Dr. Paul was very open about that, and addressed it at several points. His reasoning was that since they were going to pass the bullshit anyway, getting some of his district's tax money back to the people he represented was the least he could do.

Considering his utter consistency in what he voted for and against, I'm willing to forgive a little pork barrel spending. That pales in comparison to gross civil liberties violations and relentless warmongering, neither of which anyone can accuse Dr. Paul of -ever- supporting.

Joke's on you, I have never done any of the above.
Step your game up and stop blaming others for your inadequacies.

When it comes to the American justice system, feels always triumph over reals. And people act surprised when people who are let out of American jail frequently fall right back into crime after being trapped in hell on earth for years and having their job prospects nuked.

Alright, let's give this one last try. Three questions:
1. What's more important: making sure crimes are not committed in the first place, or punishing the people who commit them?
2. Is a man who steals a loaf of bread because his family is starving and he has no other way to provide for them the moral lesser of a man who scams people out of their life savings in a way that violates no laws?
3. Can any criminal ever be reformed?

I would take 30 lashes over a month in prison, honestly. Corporal punishment is arguably more humane than what we have right now.

#1, the second acts as the first.
#2, yes.
#3, no.

30 lashes was comparable to something that would land you in prison for years nowadays.
you steal something for 500 bucks, you go to jail for a month (which is actually worse than prison because you can't do SHIT in jail other than sit still and read your 2 books a week) and stealing something like that back in the day would net you like 2 lashes.
lashes were fucking horrible and still are. if you have someone who knows how to use a bullwhip, you can cut someone the same as a knife going down the skin. the reason a whip cracks is because that little tip is going faster than the speed of sound and that tip is no more than a few millimeters wide.

I'd still take the horrible mutilation of getting lashed twice over a month in prison lol. Like legit, at least I can still kind of go to fucking work or school with the incredible pain I'm carrying instead of having all of that nuked.

Not to necessarily say that isn't a valid choice, but most people who say that have never witnessed a lashing.

you do know that this movie wasn't a documentary,right? it was just using a Vice documentary to frame the found footage movie plot

>#1, the second acts as the first.

To my knowledge, this conclusion is not supported by any facts, data or study.

>#1, the second acts as the first.
Which is why nearly half of all released prisoners end up getting convicted again after only three years?

I'm not even really advocating corporal punishment, desu, it's more of a rhetorical technique, that a lot of people would take the pain and mutilation of a lashing over a month in prison, for very good reasons, even.

From others, not these pariahs.

Ah, I can see where you're coming from. The threat of being shipped off to a slave colony really served to cut down on crime in George's England. R-right?

I'm not sure if you know this, but the majority of criminal offenders are people who are desperate for money or food. "Desperate" usually means they're willing to overlook the potential consequences of their actions because they see no effective alternatives. As hard as it is to believe this, most criminals in the act are thinking of the short term much more than they're thinking in the long term.

What you MIGHT be thinking of, actually, is the pretty well proven fact that the thought that they'd get CAUGHT deters criminal activity. It's what security guards, home cameras, and leaving the lights on when you go out are for.

Feels like we've had a regular run of these threads recently. Is someone going to prison, OP?

It worked for Rome.
Then again they tied people to sticks and left the corpses on display.