How would Holy Terra fare against a Hive Fleet?

How would Holy Terra fare against a Hive Fleet?

Depends on how big the hive fleet is, who was present when this all goes down, how long they've had to prepare, and how deep the genestealer infestation really runs

Assume they've had enough time to fully prepare, but for some reason are only able to make use of what they have in-system

They're up against the full for of Hive Fleet Leviathan

Pretty well, what with the shipyards, it being Holy Terra and Mars being RIGHT THERE for the Mechanicus to asspull some superweapon assuming Emps doesn't just reincarnate and BTFO the fleet himself.

It's 40k man, it runs on holy bullshittium or high octane handwavium.

Literally the worst place to invade without having half the IoM backing you going in
Probably so much bullshit sitting there

I don't think the tyranids would really care about the world considering all the work they would have to go through to get to the slivers biomass in it

>only what's in system
When though? At one point in time you have mostly just admech, terra PDF, custodian, inquisitor and assassin troops. They fleet and orbital defenses are impressive though, but against the full might of leviathan?

And the At other points in time you have Guilliman himself, the sisters of silence, several chapters of marines, Cawl, Celestine, and the entirety of the primaris marines present in the sol system. After that, you have most of those forces leaving terra and going on the indominus crusade

That has never stopped them from invading forgeworlds or hive worlds before. Again, this is the entirety of leviathan. Not the cryptus tendril, not even the Octarius tendril or the one that wiped out forgefane in a week, but ALL of leviathan. Unless a warp storm wiped out the majority of them, it's going to be an extremely hard fight for the imperium even though this is terra

Current time in lore

Terra might be all right. The Shadow of the Warp hitting the Astronomican would spell death for countless thousands of worlds and ships though

>all of leviathan
>no reinforcements coming to save them
Terra loses through attrition, there's simply too many tyranids focusing on one system. Those orbital defenses will hold out valiantly but eventually even they will be worn down by sheer numbers. If the tyranids are already landing on terra and mars, the battle is pretty much over.

>all this terra wank
>belicuck made it into orbit
>eldar made it up to the throne room
>Orks literally parked their death star in orbit and had an ambassador walk into the palace
>Necrons made it to mars
>Khorne sent a whole army to the palace gates
>genestealers cults already there
Pretty much everyone but the Tau has stuck their dick into terra, an entire hive fleet showing up when most of the custodes and SoB are off on crusade would absolutely fuck them up. It's like the Beast, except they aren't going to wait around and negotiate

there is no "current time" you dunce

>All of Leviathan
>A giant pile of skulls falls from the sky, killing a few transients

Alright, if Leviathan can't take terra, would they be able to take cadia? How about Armageddon? Or Ultramar again, except this time with Guilliman?

The Tyrannids get shot down before even a single spore reaches Terra. The Sol system has the most in-depth orbital defenses in the Imperium of Mankind; for fuck's sake, they've turned the entirety of the moon into a single giant battlestation!

Guilliman would defeat the nids by application of REASON. He would not only persuade them to stop their attacks, he would make them evolve giant omega letters on their ships and becoming their Hive Liege.

Even with the official defenses, it'll be tricky.

Now consider that the Imperium is like an iceberg. 10% of their defenses are above water, 90% of their defenses are hidden in secret vaults. Because they're technically forbidden magic or technology, and should only be used in the direst of circumstances.

I'm edging towards this answer, myself. Sol is one of the most heavily defended places in the entirety of 40K, starting at Pluto and only getting more ridiculous as you go inward, has multiple Astartes chapters, whatever the fuck Mars keeps in their vaults, the moon is literally a giant-sized Death Star, and if all else fails, the Emperor is there.

>necrons made it to mars

I just want to explain just how INSANE Mars' defenses are.

The Necrons fucking FTL'ed/teleported to the surface of Mars WITH WARSHIPS, and in seconds all but one ship was destroyed. We're talking here about planetary defenses OBLITERATING NECRON WARSHIPS. The last surviving warship managed to land and open the cargo hold doors before being annihilated.

And that all took place in seconds.

The only reason that the Necrons made it to Mars was because they teleported in using their Warpless FTL drives. Nothing that uses the Warp/realspace in anything like "normal" factions would get anywhere near.

No, they don't. The Mars incident is mentioned in recent lore. Newcron lore which has the Necrons not being FTL but near-light speed.

Guys, we're talking about a hive fleet consisting of millions upon millions of ships. This isn't just a tendril of leviathan, this is the whole damn fleet. Terra's defenses will carve through them but they can't possibly hope to shoot down every ship. Even if only 10% of the tyranids ever made it to the ground, that's more than enough to pin down the defenders

where can i read up on this?

Couldnt the Emps just BTFO the shadow?

Emps is the wildcard, so no one can really tell what the outcome would be

>has multiple Astartes chapters
I know the Imperial Fists and Grey Knights are there, with their Fortress-Monasteries on Terra and Titan respectively, but what are the other ones? Do the Custodes count as Astartes?

>Unless a warp storm wiped out the majority of them
This already happened, though.

Slaanesh in "Valedor" casually arrived at an Eldar maiden world that's being eaten by the Tyranids. Slaanesh pushed the hivemind and its shadow aside to descend on the planet to munch on the dying Eldar souls and then watch the whole thing unfold before leaving for her business.

If the Shadow in the Warp didn't affect Slaanesh at all, then it shouldn't affect the Emperor.

Can't think of any other marines in the system, but there should be enough custodes to make up for it, as there are apparently 10,000 of the fuckers.

>Khorne sent a whole army to the palace gates
wait what

>holy bullshittium
my fucking sides

>Necrons made it to mars.
One of 5 ships. Nothing made it back.

>Orks
Yeah calvinball fuelled ones under the Beast.

It was 5 light cruisers designed for stealth operations not battleships.

Yeah then it does not make sense.
Traveling with the speed of light from Sol to our next stelar neighbour already takes years.
Go figure the rest regarding stl...

Still warships.

Ork "ambassadors"?

Yes "Beast Arises" I think is the name of the series, about most badass orks ever.

And yes they did steal moons to make space ships

The Emps may be fine. The Astronomican can be blocked however. That's mostly why it's called "shadow of the warp".

Read the 8th edition codex. Khorne was utterly btfo by Guilliman when he sent 8 legions and 8 bloodthirsters to terra after the galaxy was split in half

has the lore stuff been leaked already? I only managed to find stuff on the units

>tyranids show up in sol system
>the astronomicon is instantly switched off due to shadow in the warp
>suddenly daemons.jpg
>tyranids move closer to terra
>terra already BTFO by daemons
>tyranids move closer to terra
>daemons have picnic

Daemons just did attack Terra and got BTFO. Fuck off chaos-shitter.

But in this case terra is incapable of getting reinforcements and the daemons have infinite reinforcements.

What part of 'just happened' dont you understand? Your headcanon can fuck off chaos as always only achieve sidequests.

>this totally theoretical event can't happen because the people who are not writing it delegate chaos to only achieving side-quests

Nice b8 m8
What part of The ENTIRE FUCKING ASTRONOMICON BEING DISABLED do you not get?

The astronomicon being veiled by the shadow in the warp would in no way result in demons being everywhere.

Perhaps you've confused it with the golden throne, which would be entirely unaffected by the shadow.

Dragon wakes on Mars and shows the IoM that the Tyranids are the least of their troubles.

What part of THAT JUST FUCKING HAPPENED YOU RETARDED CHOAS FANBOI dont you understand?

Nigga the codex is literally half lore. Goo fucking read it

I need to step in because of the retardation. The Shadow in the Warp will result in the Choir powers cutting out with many of them dying from the Shadow in the Warp.

With the Firetide being extinguished, daemons will surge forth to Terra. The next step depends on if the Shadow in the Warp can halt the coming daemonic incursions.

The khornate invasion did not feature the Light being turned off.

The Dragon on Mars is just a shard.

>The khornate invasion did not feature the Light being turned off.
It only existed because that HAPPENED. Jesus Christ literally kys for the betterment of mankind.

Space Wolves usually have about 2 dozen of their guys there as the Wolfguard, who protect their navigator bros. Nowhere near chapter strength, but they're there.

No, the Great Rift birth obscured the light across the Imperium. It didn't shut it down.

>khornate invasion just happened and since khorne is the only chaos god this means that no other daemons can attack terra

10/fucking kill your self
Seems legit

It would be terrably

>With a great surge, over a million planets of the Imperium were cut off from the Light of the Emperor as the Astronomican went out.
Hmmm. I'll just consider this my final point. It's clear you know nothing.

>We didnt really mean it that time promise

Or you can say 'high octane bullshit'

Why does he look like a giant baby? Or a man trying to be a woman.

Is this from the oldcron codex? I'm pretty sure it was single occupant craft that landed. I can look it up if you want.

It's been in Necron fluff since 3rd codex at least

You are right the beam did went out. However, the attack was described as rash. Rash attacks often fail.

If Abaddon led the attack, things would have been different.

The Ad mech also tracked them for a while before they tried to land (I'm guessing with weapons fire)
Also as everyone else has said, these were small crafts, not tomb ships.
Considering the World Engine was heading for Mars makes me think it's more than just a shard, possibly a big shard or the real deal. This was after the crons got newcron'd

>Considering the World Engine was heading for Mars makes me think it's more than just a shard, possibly a big shard or the real deal. This was after the crons got newcron'd

"Gods of Mars" says the Dragon on Mars is a vast shard of the Void Dragon. The villian of the book also wanted to unearth Dragon of Mars and put it inside the Breath of Gods machine which would have made the villain control all space and time in the galaxy.

Matt Ward pls go and stay go

>of abandon lead the attack, it would have been different
Abbadon lead much more diverse forces against the reeling forces of cadia and lost the ground war, it's just chaos writing is so bad these days he pulled a "gg faggots but I already won in orbit lol." Abandon and an army teleporting right in front of the lions gate and facing an army of sister of silence and custodes, lead by Guilliman, and under fire of the best defense guns in the imperium, would get BTFO. The whole premise of showing up on the emperors doorstep with no backup is already rash, no matter who it is

>5 Necron stealth ships BTFO by mars
>somehow this translates into millions of bioships not even being able to get close to mars
Really activates the almonds

If the tyranids enter the sol system and IF this causes warp travel to become impossible then the tyranids win because terra runs out of food and dies.

Well Terra has a GSC infestation so I guess we'll see soonish.

>Abbadon lead much more diverse forces against the reeling forces of cadia and lost the ground war

One, Cadia the second most fortified and defended planet in the Imperium. Abaddon forces conquered all the surface of Cadia except a single fortress.

Two, Trazyn efforts prevented the last fortress falling, and his tinkering with the Gellar shield saved the entire planet from being one shotted. Then the Pylons....

Three, the Pylons fucked over the traitor and daemon forces and forced Abaddon's retreat. Before the Pylon was activated, the traitor forces were crushing the Cadians and have killed off all Trazyn's collection.

So lets take a check. Trazyn won't be at Terra and there are no Pylons anywhere on Terra. If Abaddon invades, it will be fucked.

...

Terra has a population in the hundred billions

This sounds radical as fuck. I gotta look into this.

Oh so we're giving abbadon every advantage he had at cadia? That's a totally different scenario than the army teleporting right in front of the palace with no space support and a strategy to just blitz in and kill the emperor, which is what the khornates did. Any force in that same situation would have lost hard, even abbadon. Especially abbadon.

Why? The lore is garbage

so has the average Hive World

Which the tyranids attack all the time. Just because it's mostly city doesn't mean tyranids won't go through the effort

>Ultramar tore through a Hive Fleet with the cost merely being most of a chapter and PDF regiment

A lone hive fleets of any size wouldn't even make it past mars

>genestealers cults already there
????

Holy Terra and the Sol System are the most heavily defended place in the imperium. You can barely see Terra through the cloud of spaceships surrounding it. Mars's shipyards form a solid, thick, ring around the planet. And if Holy Terra is threatened, every space marine chapter is immediately redirected. The hive fleet would be fucked. You could lay siege to the sol system, but attempting full-on warfare is a death sentence. Nobody has ever won.

Actually they care. This is very clearly say in the Codex that a huge part of Leviathan is running straigh to Terra.

You know that the Astromonicum is frequently compare to a light in the dark, and the Tyranids to insect ? Well what happen when you put a torch in a forest at night ?

Exactly.

>Leviathan

I'm sorry to say, but Leviathan died in a paragraph already, no longer a threat

I think you mean "It depends on what edition it is, which edition tyranids it is, and which edition imperials are allowed". If the answer is 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, then tyranids win pretty handily.

10,000 you say?

Valedor got some Slaneshi wanking tough, and there not that many Tyranids anyway.

Isn't in this novel some Fareseer got a weird contact with a Tyranids/the Hive mind and see some weird thing on how being eaten by the Nids is worse than death and feel that the hive mind noticed her, and shit herself because it's terryfing ?

>Millions of bioship
Surely you mean billions user ?

The Emperor you say!

In Age of RobotLyman the tendril attacking Baal got destroyed yes; not the rest.

Dosn't change the fact that the Astronomicun act on them like a lamp on mosquito.

Would very much like to see this is an arc actually.


Astronomicon is dulled by the shadow, desperate battle to fight off the fleet going on around Terra to relight the astronomicon, Imperium going to shit all around.

Would be funtimes.

I dunno, if they can turn Octarius into a meat grinder then Terra might just be a big battlefield for a few months before someone shows up to kill them all.

Probably Guilliman.

Its the most fortified planet in the imperium

It has the massive lunar rings which are the headquarters of battlefleet solar

the shipyards and star forts of Saturn with the solar auxilia

The foundries , forts and shipyards of mars and all their weird technology

The Earth has its own star forts with more solar auxilia

Earth has the imperial palace and its 10,000 custodes , which withstood 9 space marine legions , dozens of titan legios and a chunk of the imperial army as well as demons.

Earth has *hundreds* of billions of people to call on, including billions of the best soldiers in the galaxy, thousands of armoured and mechanised regiments.

Earth has an imperial fists fortress with a garrison (due to codex fuckery its hard to say how many squads chapters rotate out for garrisons, given its importance and the number they left behind last time they may have about 50 marines on station)

Earth has the fortified headquarters of all of the major institutions of the Imperium

Earth has several titan legions present

If reinforcements were allowed then you would have everything in the imperium flooding in

hokay, it would not be Terra. Terra, is the heart of the imperium. Terra is the Astronomicon. The blinding beacon of humanity. The reason and ability for all interstellar trade, commerce, combat and war. This is the seat of the 12 highlords, a primarch, and the fucking emperor of mankind himself.

Ever single soldier, ship, weapon, deployment, pilgrim, man woman and child, in the fucking galaxy, would be sent to Terra.

Life in the imperium STOPS until Terra is safe becasue without Terra, there is no imperium.

All off the Space marines. ALL OF THEM. Would hit Terra.

The Chaos Marines would show up. Because NOBODY kills the emperor but them.

Every single fucking astartes in the galaxy, ever warship, guard regiment, loyalist, traitor, whatever, if a hive fleet big enough to actually threaten the most secure place in the imperium, a goddamn galactic scale exodus of war would focus and become such a fulcrim of death, destruction, backstabbing and promotion, either the chaos gods would rip open reality and step in personally or a fucking new god would be born. This would be the singel most catastrophioc event in 40k. gods, kings, heros, villians and monsters would rise and fall, and nothing would ever be the same.

AKA That'd be pretty fucking dope.

>nobody has ever won
Orks literally parked their death star in orbit and told the imperium "git gud."

If terra was really as protected as everyone here keeps wanking it up to be, that ork moon would have been toast the second it appeared in orbit

>Hive fleet surrounds Sol
>Shadow mutes the light of the Astronomicon like a billion moths on a lightbulb
>no reinforcements
>Mankind stranded without light of Emperor
>Hive fleet wages war on Sol for centuries
>Eventually consumes everything
>'Tis the inevitable end of man

Nope, the tyranids were on their path to total victory with no losses due to biomass reclamation because ultramar could not do shit against them.
Then the inexplicable imperial navy showed up and the tyranids melted. Even though that makes no sense because the imperial navy cannot be rallied that fast and nobody knew anything was wrong and warp travel is not that fast.

Behemoth wasn't even close to leviathan in size and didn't really bother with anything other than swarm tactics, it's why they burned through their biomass so fast compared to other fleets. And they still only lost because the imperial fleet just so happened to show up at the right time and a warp rift sucked up most of the fleet

A tendril of leviathan bulldozed through thof cryptus system shield worlds in 3 days, faced the combined might of the blood angels and the Mepherit dynasty Necrons, lost a large portion of their fleet in some asspull move, and still went on to wreck Baal and what is essentially the Blood angel legion. The BA lost, the tyranids won that war handily even with the warpstorm wiping out most of their fleet. It was only the combination of that plus guillimans indominus crusade suddenly appearing plus kbandha wiping out all the Nids on another moon.

Holy Terra would be triumphant, but nobody 'fares well' after getting hit with a hive fleet. And if this is a hive fleet big enough to threaten terra, there's gonna be a hell of a lack of faring well.

The Tyranids would literally have to send so many ships that space is just filled with solid biomass, and have so much shit in the air that the defenses can't kill them all. Either that, or run the entire solar system out of ammunition and energy.

The Tyranids can technically do both, we just haven't seen their main force yet. No hive fleet or tendril will be able to breach the solar system, let alone Terra. They couldn't even take Macragge.

>all of the imperium bum rushes to terra to stop a single hive fleet
>rest of the galaxy left wide open to everyone, including the rest of the hive fleets
So even if the tyranids lose, the attack on terra would weaken the imperium so bad that I'm not sure they'd be able to recover before another major war

I wonder if Admech in this situation would use dead Tyranid biomass to create bioweapons of their own

>now guys, get this. They said don't use xeno tech, but did they say anything about using Xenos AS tech? Checkmate, inquisition