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DHB posting has gotten really weird lately.

Nugget Man, Caveman Crusader, NTRacle, and Serial Killer-kun

I honestly don't care about his characters, and often feel that his character-building is not to my tastes. Except Falafel, he's such a great antagonist and a fun character overall
I only pay attention to DHB out of interest in his homebrew content, its the only thing he does that I like

aaaaaaa cookies~

So far I have only seen him do retarded stuff like +43 diplomacy NTRacle designed to seduce Ameiko and cuck the rest of the party.

What is the appeal of Falafel as an antagonist? I have considered to him but not sure he'll appeal to my players.

To be fair, that was pretty much just a joke that got out of hand.

Sleepy reverse trap from LoBaF is good. Falafel is weird enough to be memorable, but he wouldn't be much more than a one-off villain.

Nugget Man would make an AWESOME recurring merchant.

That was one time, most of his builds are neato. The huge diplomacy bonus was stated as a joke. It's gonna haunt him forever.

Everyone forgets about a few of his characters who are really cool. Like his assassin from the City of the Faceless and his Eugenics crusader, the one he called "Twisted Sister".

Kurat would make a good NPC quest giver.

Most /pfg/ game apps are jokes, whether intentional or otherwise

Why haven't YOU applied for Fiendish Intrigue yet?

Falafel was cool. He's the elf who gets off of destroying beautiful things.

His appeal is that he's a villian who is not only subtle while still being inexplicably evil, but he also has a reason and a drive to being evil. Its that he has a horrible and messed up world-view, but at the same time his mindset isn't alien and can actually be understood by the average person. And when a villian, particularly of a bizarre and psychotic variety, can be understood and otherwise feels real and like a normal person, that is when they are the most frightening and unsettling to a person.

But I have.
>tfw extremely anxious about whether I'll get in

Because i run it desu

Eugenics Crusader was the one with a drake companion, right?

Because it doesn't interest me.

Why haven't you applied to GODSLAYERS?

My favorite part of him was he was apparently just broken from birth. The first line of his app goes something like:
>Talathel was the kind of little boy who liked to pull on little girl's pigtails.

He has no reason to be evil, no sympathetic backstory, not even any real goals or ambitions beyond watching legacies burn. He is an intrinsically broken character.

That's why he couldn't be in a party. His entire character was toxic to whoever he came into contact with because he was entirely sociopathic.

He's actually kinda like Kirei if Kirei never found religion/Gilgamesh.

I don't want to pay for the subscription.
...Or get harangued over the Commune by a Yugoloth Call Center.

But don't most guys like to pull on girl's pigtails? I thought that was a thing boys did to express their affection, yet don't want to admit it because girls have cooties

Who's your character? If you don't mind telling

I think there is a joke somewhere in your post, but I don't get it.

Writing a backstory for a gestalt 20 mythic 10 character is intimidating as fuck.
>Who's your character? If you don't mind telling
Miri.
Chronic anxiety issues are pain - literally every game I applied to so far was killing me with anxiety, some more, some less.

Also Talathel who ultimately stated to be and acted like a coward. He actively avoided conflict and combat, particularly at war, while at the same time said to treat those he commanded extremely well. He was a competent commander.

A cowardly villain who would rather never come into conflict with the players is interesting at times, especially when he never actively harms the players, just what they love.

This while at the same time being a build entirely focused on 1v1 combat. Talathel was VERY high on both defense and offense, particularly personal. He's a coward that when forced can easily kill a PC before fleeing.

The fact there are multiple reasons you could love this character shows how great the character is. Personally, I love how PETTY his evil was; most people make murderers, or tyrants, or rapists or monsters. Talathel? He scratches up the furniture and scribbles on your heirlooms.

Okay guys, help me out and let's build the ultimate rerollmancer party.
DC Oracle, Witch/Shaman with Fortune, and Iroran Paladin are given parts of the comp, but what else? What else is there to force/grant rerolls to allies? Forced rerolls (like DCO Misfortune) are the best ones, because they work with doubleroll earlier than "free rerolls" do.

Alternately, how many of the party members can we justify taking a 1 level dip into DCO? inb4 all of them

>Miri
Heh, our characters have the same bloodlines. I guess that means only one of us will get in.
I hope it's you then.

I just realized of the four games I play in, I play three charisma-based characters, and one Wisdom-based character who didn't dump charisma.

What does this say about me.

What kind of character could you even write for 20th level Gestalt with 10 Mythic? That's King of Kings or Force of Nature.

>Writing a backstory for a gestalt 20 mythic 10 character is intimidating as fuck.
Mine is really simple. It's his origin myth. I didn't write a backstory become someone that powerful has gone beyond a backstory.

His origin myth is basically his wrongful hanging and becoming a spirit of miscarried justice who burned a city to the ground in vengeance and turned a country into dead lands devoid of life save him.

>I think there is a joke somewhere in your post, but I don't get it.
Have you ever gotten calls from an Indian call center?

Imagine that, but with Yugoloth.

>Heh, our characters have the same bloodlines. I guess that means only one of us will get in.
Eh, not necessarily. Unless you heavily base your fluff on them, bloodlines are mostly a mechanical thing the way I see it. Besides, the rules explicitly say most people with a bloodline have the Arcane bloodline.
>spoiler
t-thanks

What if we just combed through all the martial PrC's and gave their actually cool shit to the fighter as AAT/AWT's? Canny Defense and the Cha-based version, Mind Over Metal, whatever the fuck Str-to-Longbow is, etc.

>str to hit bow AWT
yes pls

>He's actually kinda like Kirei if Kirei never found religion/Gilgamesh.
It kinda reminds me of a fanfic I read where Lupin III was summoned as Assassin, and teaches Kirei to channel his nature to become a thief so he can get his rocks off of stealing from people who either deserve it or can recover from it. He immediately interested in that, since now he can be at peace with his horrible and broken nature, and starts to get into aiding Lupin in his heist to steal the Holy Grail

What classes are you giving him? I'm considering a character mired in tragedy too.

Speaking of which, do we know if Monster Classes are allowed? I want to know if I could play a Ghoul.

I've played a Dhampir before, but that's as close as it gets.

Would a wizard get penalties for something like wearing head protection like a kettle helm? How serious is spell failure for even something like Padded armor?

d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/

Padded armor is a 5% failure chance.

>Have you ever gotten calls from an indian call center?
No, that's not a thing around here.

Well if we look at it from a mechanical stand point, it would be boring to have two party members that do the same thing.

I have a question, and please stop me if I'm getting something wrong but why 1/4th casters or whatever they're called (Paladin, Ranger and the like) on top of not getting cantrips, get spells later (which mean they're of lower level compared to other casters) they also have lower CL which means those low level shitty as fuck (for the level you get them) spells are of even lower power?

See, at 7th level I get as a paladin Iron skin, right? +4 to AC, and because my caster level is 4 is only +4 to AC. And that's it, my 2nd level spell for the day, I have no other.
The mother fucking cleric casts the same spell and has +6 to AC and has tons of other 2nd level spells.

Why is this fair?

Magus and Bloodrages are pretty different classes tbqh

Why ams you talks like retardeds?

Use armored kilt, it has 0% spell failure chance

>Would a wizard get penalties for something like wearing head protection like a kettle helm?
I'd probably say to check the Piecemeal Armor rules, but I'm unsure how good or not those rules are

>Why is this fair?
Its not, Paizo is just shitty at designing a tabletop game.

The paladin gets full BAB great saves and a buch of features that the cleric has to burn resources to enjoy temporarily.

God, nothing makes you want to eat a fucking bullet quite like hearing about someone being noble IRL, and succeeding at being a hero where you failed.

I know it's 5% but how serious is in terms of statistics?

>Full BaB
Insignificant to be honest
>Great saves
Only thing good in paladin to be honest
>And a bunch of features that the cleric has to burn resources
And so does the paladin, smite isn't infinite, divine bond isn't infinite, in fact a cleric can use more smites than a paladin thanks to that shitty spell that copies smite evil feature. And with how many spells the cleric has he could be boosting his saves and attack all day long to copy a Paladin and still have spells to do 100 other stuff

But ok, lets say Paladin's saves are what makes it worthwile, how about the Ranger? what does he get that is so good to be behind other casters twice (once because 4th level spells only and twice because CL-3)?

Situations are different, and people have different talents and abilities. You can't hold yourself to the standard of someone else with a totally different life. That's not fair to either of you.

Explain?

Generally speaking, any chance to fail is a problem, when it's a failure chance on everything you're supposed to be able to do.

It might be worth the risk, but silken ceremonial armor, armored kilts, and haramaki are all available without spell failure chance, so you should go for one of those instead every time.

>but how serious is in terms of statistics?
A 5%. Or 0.05 if you prefer, if you assume 1 is the highest probability. Or 1 in every d20 roll.

Now, as a personal experience, I played once a sorcerer with an armor with 10% SFC, through a campaign that went from 1st to 8th level I lost some spells due it, not a negible number to be honest, though luckily never encounter deciding or powerful ones.

If you start bitching about why X class has better features than Y class then you may as well save time by saying "Why does wizard have powerful magic while everyone else gets second place at best".

Jesus christ what a fucking scrub.

It means you fearing the 5% is like the Gunslinger fearing a Nat 1 misfire, it's statistically notable but practically a non-issue.

Yeah, the CL-3 is so stupid and is basically putting a rock on top of their ceiling.

Are you sure hearing about how they didn't actually save anyone or make anything better because the stars are right and this world would be doomed with or without humanity's existence wouldn't do it, too?

>Strongest class on the game
>"Why I can't have more?!"
Fuck off. Clerics can't compete with Paladins in terms of defense and offense, we're basically relegated to healbots.

This has to be a troll, right?

Clerics actually can't compete with Paladins on defense by a mile or in offense against anything that smite evil works against. Clerics win in utility and get BTFO on utility by wizards.

Nah, that might actually make me feel better about my day. Because if there's nothing to look forward to for anyone, then it's not so bad to be useless.

>we're basically relegated to healbots.
>healing
>in combat
>in fucking pathfinder
Is this a Paizo-post? Because this smells like a Paizo-post

I'd rather have Paizo posts than F-list posts.

So what kind of handicap would you put on DHB before letting him apply to your game to make sure he doesn't over optimize.

>against anything that smite evil works against
user, clerics get smite evil

I played both classes, give me a cleric any time if we're playing above 5th level.

At one per spell slot and that's a 5th level spell.

Tell him to not do bullshit or he doesn't get in, DHB is not autistic like 2hu, he will pull his punches if you tell him.

Tell him "Hey, do you think you could back it down?"
That's all.
That's it.
That is literally all you need to say. He's not like 2hu, where he'll fight and argue on every point you try to make unless you put your foot down. He's actually capable of and willing to rein himself in.

I'd rather have F-list posts than most of the posts here.

"Hey, can you tone it down a bit? Look at

DHB is more of a min-maxer than an optimizer in the first place. He doesn't build to win games as much as he builds to do something wacky, to my memory most of his sheets shouldn't be a big problem in the average game.

You have 4 5th level spells (asuming average Wis) at the level a Paladin gets is 4th Smite. There're way better spells in where to spend those 5th level slots though, like way better spells.

I would just let him do it. I think it would be pretty arousing to watch him cut loose and just violate my NPCs and plots.

But 2hu does back down if you tell him to in, like, a concrete way.

Antipaladins, are just better than Paladins in essentially every way in terms of personal offense and defense. Insinuators especially.

Evil only though

As someone with actual autism, I can't stress this enough. We respond best to concrete scenarios and limitations. A vague "don't go overboard" is so vague that we just don't get it, because we can't gauge how other people would react to things through ourselves. Limited empathy is a large part of the condition.

Why does DHB respond to it then if he's an autist?

What would be the craziest game line-up I could have?

I want DHB, 2hu and Kawase to start. Who else could I fit in?

More mild form of it, perhaps?

Guess 2hu doesn't have "actual" autism then, because he will just keep arguing all the time and eventually even tell others that they aren't optimized enough.
Like that one time when he made a guy drop out of a game by constantly trying to get him to change the build. Even posted about it in /pfg/ not getting that he was wrong.

DHB apparently refuses to play with 2hu.

2hu doesn't play roll20 games.
Kawase doesn't play maptools games.
You can't get the two together.

>2hu constantly asks "why would you not?" about extreme optimization
>DHB goes "check this out" when talking about extreme optimization

Would be awkward as hell anyways.
Can you imagine a (autistic) Rollplayer and a (shitty) ERPer interacting?

But you even got the roles wrong.
2hu is both an autistic rollplayer and a shitty ERPer.
Kawase is autistic as hell, but neither a rollplayer nor an ERPer.

>DHB goes "oh man you know what's be neat" during optimization along with "I'm pulling out THE BIG GUNS".

You want to be pretty.

Because autism is a spectrum, and on top of that, people are individuals. different people still respond differently to different things, even if their mental health makes them more predictable in a certain direction. I know five people with autism, if you include myself, DHB, and 2hu, and every one of them responds differently to that kind of criticism; I'll freak out and assume I've offended the person in some way, another will get overly defensive and rail back, another will argue with the person who said it and try to prove them wrong, and another will go out of their way to make sure that the other players are operating under similar restrictions because they can't stand rules that some people can ignore for no reason.

Kawase was the first to app for Intrigue
DHB is reportedly making an app for it

how do we maximize the damage

DHB is making another "bunch of kids" character.