Did 3e permanently break the brains of Martialfags...

Yep, theeeeeeeere it is, the tried and true desperation to continue a stale bait thread. Pathetic.

Here is your serious answer: if magic can do crazy shit that bends reality, what is the internal inconsistency of there being other methods of bending reality?

Now fuck off back to /v/ or wherever the fuck your kind of snively troll comes from.

Shut the fuck up.

I do think that if martials are just "dude with a sword" and restrained to physical limits like jumping height, carrying capacity and all that, then casters should be the same. Spells should take a while to cast, be very easily interruptible, and largely done outside of combat as a means of surmounting obstacles. Otherwise they should be very powerful, but only allowed as villains, like standard sword and sorcery stuff.

I concur with , you're just spewing easily repeatable statements, which I call Baitisms, stringing them into an incoherent native. The fact that you say 3E ruined Martialfags, not Casterfags, is telling that you're just in it for the reaction. More people are getting mad at the fact you posted this rather than anything in the subject matter.

2/10, no originality or effort put into this, just an echo within the echo-chamber.

At least back then, the board moved fast enough that shitty bait threads would get pushed off within an hour or so unless they were particularly funny or clever.

In all honesty, I'd be fine with my filter catching another 15 or so threads if it means that trolls have to be clever again to keep their threads up.

Oh it is this thread again

Agreed.

>At least back then, the board moved fast enough that shitty bait threads would get pushed off within an hour or so unless they were particularly funny or clever.
>In all honesty, I'd be fine with my filter catching another 15 or so threads if it means that trolls have to be clever again to keep their threads up.

This

>Implying the OP isn't a rectally ravaged questfag false flagging to get Mahou Shonen Pantsu Quest back on /tg.

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Pretty much proved the point.

"If martials are guys with swords, then magic should be gimped so that it is worse than martials on every front

I tire of bait that is 10+ years old that revolves literally around a single edition (out of, what, 7?) of a single game in the entire library of pnp rpgs.

This.

Nowadays the catalog moves so slowly that practically anything can get a few bumps.

>Casterfags are so ableist, they should be quadrupel amputees like me so they stop making me feel worthless.
This is what you sound like.

I mean, if a game is going to pitch 'god' and 'quadruple amputee' as equally viable class options, then wanting to find some middle ground is pretty understandable.

But hey, at least there are no quest threads, amirite?

You sound like the type of moron to play a vanilla human in Vampire: the Masquerade and then bitch when everything can kill you in one hit while you can barely whiff a 10th gen vampire.

There's always going to be a scale where some options are better than others. Most people would've learned this and either dealt with it or moved on and yet we still get martialKEKS who shit up the board so we remember that yes, there was a point in time where martials sucked and that's terrible :'(

This.

>But hey, at least there are no quest threads, amirite?
It's pretty funny in retrospect that quest threads on Veeky Forums were so popular because so many people here enjoyed them as a fun time-wasting activity while they were browsing Veeky Forums, but now that they're banned on Veeky Forums everyone uses bait threads for entertainment instead.

Shitposting bait spammers like you should be gassed
We've had some variation of this thread everyday since the fucking board first started
3e is shit
D&D is shit
There are hundreds of other rpgs out there
Most are better than this steaming shitpile of a system

I'll take infinite bait over quests.

Even 5e is better than 3e. I have some serious grievances with 5e, but it's leagues better than 3e and it fixes the one biggest problem besides power disparity that 3.5 had:
Autistic number crunching. Not as bad as GURPS, but still bad.

But Vampire: The Masquerade doesn't present Kindred and Kine as equal options unlike certain other games.

I have to wonder if you're really being serious or not. Here's your (You), regardless.

I wonder if the people who petitioned against Quest threads were people upset their shit threads didn't get as much attention as Gundam Quest XXVIII

I would like to know more.

>Best guess for this image: sword and sorcery movies 80s
I mean, I can't imagine you're wrong, but I was hoping for a little more, Google.

>48% similarity pic related
iqdb no

>Best guess for this image: sword and sorcery movies 80s
Change that best guess text to the filename of OP's pic (without the number)

You should see it in the first or second hit.

FKC/DC Universe crossover that's way better than it has any right to be be.

KFC teamed up with DC comics to release a oneshot comic about Colonel Sanders titled The Colonel of Two Worlds where Sanders teams with the Flash to take down his evil Earth-3 doppelganger before he ruins the Colonels good name

In the sequel Crisis of Infinite Colonels, Sanders finds he can only remember one of his 11 Secret Herbs and Spices which hold the key to his power. He is then visited by his Earth-11 counterpart who faces the same problem, they then travel the multiverse to gather Colonels from multiple earths to solve the mystery and defeat the villain

The third just came out recently. In it the Colonel enlists the Green Lantern Corps to help spread KFC to the stars.

I'm pretty sure anyone who plays a class with spells is an autistic asshole who just wants to hold up the game and make it boring for everyone. We have banned spells at my table because they just bring everything to a halt.

Thanks. That was my second guess, but as Barbarians 5 doesn't exist I was hesitant to trust the filename.

If you open up a book that sets itself up as high fantasy, why the fuck would you bother being "dude who hits good" or "dude who sneaks" when you can be "dude who hits good, sneaks, and casts magic?"

Think about it, almost half the book is dedicated to the amount of spells that your average character could have access to and yet you honestly believe that martials are presented as equals when the combat rules barely take up a pamphlet?

You have nobody to blame but yourselves if you fall for the martial meme.

Yes yes, kid, I know you expect your thoughtless stale bait to get tons of replies, here's your (You)

What honestly made you think Fighters were equal to Wizards when you first opened the book?

Tell me.

(You)

Tbh levels are a thing. A level 10 mage should be no more powerful than a level 10 warrior. If that's not the case, then you might as well do away with levels altogether.

The issue is people keep thinking about world-changing magic that should perhaps be closer to level 100 or something and comparing that to a level 20 warrior... of course magic is going to look a lot better.

I have no idea what could be done for level 100 warriors, though. Probably has some sort of upper limit to how far warriors can go.

>I mean shit, a couple days ago we literally had a thread where Martials were having a fit because they couldn't make MAGIC weapons,
Dumb
>Martial weapons BECOME magical through the feats the user accomplishes with it
Good

Martial can't just make a dragon slaying sword, but killing a dragon causes a previously ordinary sword to become a dragon slaying sword.
This is also why magical items are rare and valuable because at some point someone had to kill a dragon with an ordinary sword.

I'm just not feeling it tonight, casterfag-kun.
Maybe just a back rub?

Except that makes zero sense. A mage has a level 10 mastery of magic, while a warrior has level 10 mastery of banging sticks against things.

If you spend 10 years perfecting a club and I spend 10 years perfecting an artillery gun and we point them at each other, its obvious which will come out on top.

Well then obviously to have Level 10 Mastery of Magic it'll require as much Experience as to become a Level 50 Mastery of Banging Sticks Against Things, which still makes everything stand at about the same point.

So by the time you become a level 10 mage fresh out of magic college all the warriors are already done with the adventure and the BBEG is already done for and you can now use your magic to flip burgers at McMagicks. Grats.

You know, shitposter-kun, I think we should see other people. Maybe you can shit up a Warhammer thread about how infantry is useless in the 41st millenium.

>54565640
Not him, the the concept of "levels" the fact they exist, and the fact that the game puts the classes and their capabilities all on the same progression track with the same "level" system and treats all classes the same for terms of CR and HD disproves you easily.

Now then, go back to masturbating to ntr porn and stroking both your real and internet penis as a means to compensate your lack of a life, friends, or any purpose in life. You disgust me o much that I'm not even giving you this (You) that you desperately crave and try to fish for in a pathetic excuse to try and give yourself some purpose to fill the pointless and wasted void in your life.

Unrelated third party, but is talking to you.

>Spouting the "all levels are equal" meme
Man, it's a good thing you've never played AD&D, I think you'd have a heart attack.

Also, it's great how easy it is to make martialKEKS salty af over their inferiority complexes.

Guys, I found OP. He's this fuck here who's shitposting his meme in other threads Stop bumping the thread, sage and report, then leave him to rot. Getting (You) to his shitposting is the only thing that sustains him.

>w - wizards are better than martials!
I don't see any Wizards, but we still have Fighters.
QED pointy hats go and stay go. No (You) for (You).

>54565777
Why'd you even give him the (You) you retard? Your just as bad as him now.

This thread is shit. So instead, share some ways you balance martials and magicians in your game, if you do.

I just use Spheres of Power, except I ban the Weather Sphere. I also give Fighters the Stamina feat for free, and have been considering implementing a Counter system for them to discourage rocket-tag

If you're not going to have levels being equal then getting levels in different things will require different amounts of experience or it'd make no sense from a balancing standpoint. It'd also make no sense for anyone to be anything other than whatever gets the most power for the least amount of levels.

I mean, you can argue that maybe it's not meant to be balanced, but then you should just split it all into different books. Then you have D&D: Mage the Ascension and D&D: Rogue the Stabbing and you never mix the types because they're not balanced and shouldn't be mixed.

But if you're not a retard (or someone making RPGs back when no one had any idea of what to do), then you'll have to make levels mean something.

Because if you didn't want to give him a (you), you shouldn't have posted anything in the first place.

That and talking mad shit when the other person can't see it makes you a coward, and you needed to be exposed.

Sorry.

Step 1: Ban martials
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

>If you're not going to have levels being equal then getting levels in different things will require different amounts of experience or it'd make no sense from a balancing standpoint.
You are never going to find a game where two characters having the same amount of progression will always be equally effective against one another, it's just the way things are when you allow players to design their own characters.
>have to make levels mean something
Looking at tabletop gaming as a whole, level-based systems are actually the minority in terms of progression. I mean, outside of D&D and its various offshoots and fantasy heartbreakers, most games use point buy.

>54565952
>talking mad shit when the other person can't see
>can't see
Congrats, you're blind AND retarded! Either that, or your a butthurt OP sockpuppet. Have fun finding this post later and being blue balled from.not seeing the tab icon turn red, or seeing the (You) you are always after. I hope you can find a new fetish to please yourself too instead.

Hey OP, real talk here for a second. Time out just real fast.

Is this just a fun thread for you, or is it an honest opinion? Just wondering to make sure, thanks.

Jesus this martialfag is having an aneurysm

If you're going to go through the trouble of typing out a long winded response, why not go the whole nine yards and actually link it to the person that you're responding to?

It's like, what, you waste your time and then hope that nobody notices that you responded to them? There's not even enough people ITT for that shit to work.

Fucks sake, your post is literally four posts under mine, it's not even hard to find.

>54566249
You don't get it, do you?
It's not so that they don't notice, in fact want them to notice.
It's because I want to blue-ball them from getting their (You), because I know that that is the most annoying thing you can do to a shitposter is to "cheat" them out of a (You) while still demeaning them.

What the fuck about this is hard to understand? Heck, just to spite and annoy you, I'll keep doing it to you, since you are clearly bothered by it, yet you haven't realized that that's the whole point of it, to bother and annoy the baiting shitposter back.

Now fuck off until you either finally decide to grow a second braincell, or decide to go to a doctor to get your aspergers checked

You're wasting your own time and energy and somehow that's supposed to spite me?

I mean, keep doing what you're doing but you gotta realize that a) I can get (you)'s from other threads besides this one, b) I can get (you)'s from other anons besides you, and c) you're still bumping the thread and giving OP more opportunities to amass (you)'s later on.

I mean, why not just close the tab, hide the thread, and go on about your business?

Post AD&D causes brain rot and general shitness, personally I have banned D&D players from my table.
Quality improved?
Through the roof.

So you have no problem looking for players longer than actually playing your campaign?

Not him but what's the point of finding players quickly when most of them are going to be shit?

Because a few of them aren't? I know it takes time and nerves to filter through all the shitty D&D players but it's still faster than waiting for a full group of non-D&D players (even more since some of the latter could die of old age before the start of the campaign)

For fuck's sake.

Mods, please, just ban this entire thread. Everyone in it, please.

It shouldn't have been made, shouldn't have gone past the first reply, and now these autists are trapped trying to troll each other, but ending up just getting trolled.

Ban everyone. Everyone in this thread, and I promise Veeky Forums will improve tenfold. At the very least, just ban OP and delete this thread.

Nigga please, embrace the autism and come to GURPS already

It's still generally faster to filter out D&D players in general than to shift through a mountain of shit to find a few nuggets of gold.

Besides, it's easy as shit to find newbies who have never played a tabletop game before and as long as you aren't stupid enough to make them memorize the entire text, you can generally teach a newbie almost anything with no major issues.

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Well, I don't know for where you're from, but here, it's actually easy to find correct players
There's as much actually shit players than great players

The college where I went to generally had a concentration of D&D players who were of the stereotypical power gamer mindset that all Veeky Forums horror stories talk about.

Thankfully, once most of them graduated or dropped out or whatever the fuck, the quality of campaigns overall improved dramatically as people were able to run non-D&D campaigns without having the grogs shit all over it and newbies could actually learn the rules without being scared away by a combination of the overly obtuse ruleset and the shit-eating grogs who pushed it.

That's just my personal experience though.

Listen, I hate this human trash fire as much as you do, but shitposting isn't an explicitly banable offense. Moderation on Veeky Forums is usually by-the-book.

Appealing to mods to ban someone else, fyi, is itself banable. Better you take solace that the life of a shitposter is bleak and unfulfilling. They may get a giggle here and there from your buttfrustration, but their lives are generally abysmal outside of that.

OP will have to return to the shitstorm of his school, his soul-crushing McJob, and/or his horrible parents soon enough.

Holy shit Martialfags are mad

it's the mother fucking DIRTMASTER

Personally I'm happy that I don't have to scroll through 6 pages of quests before I can find something that actually has something to do with the board.

It's very simple. Any on topic thread is more deserving of being here than any quest.

>catalog doesn't exist