/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

Into the East Edition

Previous thread: Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.

List of mini providers:
docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit

List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R

ZunTsu Gameboxes:
mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes

/hwg/ Steam Group:
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Games, Ospreys & References folders:
mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
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mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern

mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon Hill
mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_&_Tactics_Magazine
mediafire.com/folder/lx05hfgbic6b8/Naval_Wargaming
mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
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Other urls found in this thread:

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mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming Compendium.pdf
mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer Ancient Battles 2E.pdf
mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer Ancient Battles - Armies of Antiquity v2.pdf
mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
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mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster Ancient Armies.pdf
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mediafire.com/file/u1dpro286e54ttq/Osprey - MAA 240 - Frederick the Great's Army (2) Infantry.pdf
mediafire.com/file/gkwd6kmmdtha155/Osprey - MAA 248 - Frederick the Great's Army (3) Specialist Troops.pdf
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mediafire.com/download/5pkvn34b4u6g2u0/Osprey - MAA 308 - Louis XV's Army (4) Light Troops and Specialists.pdf
mediafire.com/download/wij5mloyxd0d5sc/Osprey - MAA 313 - Louis XV's Army (5) Colonial and Naval-Troops.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Roch_Coignet
arteis.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/blood-plunder-pirate-game-on-exquisite-terrain/
youtube.com/watch?v=nFJI04ifSoM&
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

>Advanced Squad Leader
mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
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>Hail Caesar
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>Impetus
mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_&_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer Ancient Battles 2E.pdf
mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer Ancient Battles - Armies of Antiquity v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster Ancients.pdf
mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster Ancient Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
Modern Spearhead

You beat to it by literally five minutes user
Do have something to post? If so I'll add what I did after

August 1st in military history
626 Persians & Avars abandon siege of Constantinople (begun June 29)
902 The Arabs capture Taormina, the last Byzantine naval base in Sicily
939 Battle of Simancas: Asturians defeat the Andalucian Arabs
1096 Walter the Penniless, Peter the Hermit, and the "Beggars' Crusade" reach Constantinople
1209 Crusaders besiege Albigenian-held Carcassone (falls, 15th)
1423 Battle of Cravant: English longbowmen devastate attacking French
1578 Battle of Rimenant: Dutch defeat the Spanish
1664 Battle of Szentgotthard: Austrian crush Turkish invaders
1675 Battle of Altenheim: The French defeat the Imperialists
1759 Battle of Minden: English infantry attacks & routs French cavalry
1781 Cornwallis' British army occupies Yorktown, Virginia
1848 Battle of Crotta d'Adda: Austrians defeat the Piedmontese
1914 German Emperor Wilhelm II declares war on his nephew Tsar Nicholas II of Russia
1918 British troops occupy Vladivostok
1940 Soviets occupy Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia
1942 Allied fleets begin diversionary moves to mask the Guadalcanal operation
1943 Blackett Str: "Tokyo Express" to Kolombangara tangles with 15 PT-boats
1943 Japan declares Burma independent under U Ba Maw
1943 Kiska: U.S. surface ships shell suspected Japanese positions.
1944 Chinese hold Japanese before Hengyang.
1944 George S. Patton's Third Army begins 281 days of operations
1944 Marines crush Japanese resistance on Tinian
1944 Warsaw Uprising: the Polish Home Army begins a 62-day insurrection against the Nazis, as the Soviets stand idle nearby
1945 The Yangtze: U.S. air dropped mines sink or damage 47 Japanese ships.
1966 Military coup in Nigeria installs Army Chief-of-Staff Yakubu Gowon as President/Dictator (1966-1975)

/hwg/ in a nutshell

>WHAT COLOR IS FELDGRAU
>hot diggety
>Lion Rampart
>WW2 IS THE LEAST TACTICAL WAR
>Scales exist below 25mm??
>Camo has no real world benefit
>SOMEONE TEACH ME ASL IM STUPID

Well then I was going to do Minden, so here we are:

It is 258 years since the Battle of Minden, a decisive engagement during the Seven Years' War. An Anglo-German army under the overall command of Field Marshal Ferdinand of Brunswick defeated a French army commanded by Marshal of France, Marquis de Contades. Two years prior, the French had launched a successful invasion of Hanover and attempted to impose an unpopular treaty of peace upon the allied nations of Britain, Hanover and Prussia. After a Prussian victory at Rossbach, and under pressure from Frederick the Great and William Pitt, King George II disavowed the treaty. In 1758, the Allies launched a counter-offensive against the French forces and drove them back across the Rhine.

After failing to defeat the French before reinforcements swelled their retreating army, the French launched a fresh offensive, capturing the fortress of Minden on 10 July. Believing Ferdinand's forces to be over-extended, Contades abandoned his strong positions around the Weser and advanced to meet the Allied forces in battle.

In an exception to the norm for the era, Contades placed his artillery in the centre protected only by the cavalry, with his infantry on either flank. The battle began on the French right flank, where Marshal de Broglie, who commanded the reserve, began an artillery duel against the allied left.

The decisive action of the battle took place in the centre, famously due to a misunderstanding of orders. Friedrich von Spörcken's division, composed of the infantry of the British contingent of the allied army and supported by the Hanoverian Guards, actually advanced to attack the French cavalry. It is reported that they had been ordered "to advance [up-]on the beating of drums" (i.e., advance when the signal drums begin to beat,) misunderstanding this as "to advance to the beating of drums" (i.e., advance immediately while beating drums.) Since the French cavalry was still in its ranks and the famous 'hollow square' had not yet been developed, it was assumed by all that the six leading British regiments were doomed. Despite being under constant artillery fire, the six regiments (soon supported by two Hanoverian battalions), by maintaining fierce discipline and closed ranks, drove off repeated cavalry charges with musket fire and inflicted serious casualties on the French. Contades reportedly said bitterly, "I have seen what I never thought to be possible—a single line of infantry break through three lines of cavalry, ranked in order of battle, and tumble them to ruin!"

Supported by the well-served British and Hanoverian artillery, the entire allied line eventually advanced against the French army and sent it fleeing from the field. The only French troops capable of mounting any significant resistance were those of de Broglie, who formed a fighting rear guard.

Prince Ferdinand's army suffered nearly 2,800 men killed and wounded; the French lost about 7,000 men. In the wake of the battle the French retreated southwards to Kassel. The defeat ended the French threat to Hanover for the remainder of that year.

Any personal accounts from survivors of line battles, I wanna feel how terrifying it is to stand in a line waiting for a bullet to hit you

In Britain the result at Minden was widely celebrated and was seen as part of Britain's Annus Mirabilis of 1759 also known as the "Year of Victories", although there was some criticism of Ferdinand for not following up his victory more aggressively. In France the reaction to the result was severe. The Duc de Choiseul, the French Chief Minister, wrote "I blush when I speak of our army. I simply cannot get it into my head, much less into my heart, that a pack of Hanoverians could defeat the army of the King".

The British regiments which fought at Minden (with the successor British army unit which still uphold their traditions) were:

Royal Artillery
12th Foot (Suffolk Regiment), now part of The Royal Anglian Regiment
20th Foot (Lancashire Fusiliers), now part of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
23rd Foot (Royal Welch Fusiliers), now the 1st Battalion, The Royal Welsh (Royal Welch Fusiliers)
25th Foot (King's Own Scottish Borderers), now The Royal Scots Borderers (1st Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland)
37th Foot (Royal Hampshire Regiment), now part of the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment
51st Foot (King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry), now part of The Rifles

The descendents of these units are still known as "the Minden Regiments."

When the British infantry and artillery were first advancing to battle they passed through some German gardens and the soldiers picked roses and stuck them in their coats. In memory of this, each of the Minden regiments marks 1 August as Minden Day. On that day the men of all ranks wear roses in their caps. Every year from 1967 to 2016, six red roses have been anonymously delivered to the British consulate in Chicago on 1 August.

Minden is a fascinating prospect for a wargame. While its size and colour make it appealing as a spectacle, the miscommunications and complicated allegiances means the battle could get totally out of the player's hands, and the challenge then becomes seizing the initiative first.

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mediafire.com/download/hw2yncm97j089cr/Osprey - MAA 289 - King George's Army 1740-93 (2).pdf
mediafire.com/download/47ia2b0flhkl418/Osprey - MAA 292 - King George's Army 1740-93 (3).pdf

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mediafire.com/download/e4rr8o3gg1mpc9m/Osprey - MAA 302 - Louis XV's Army (2) French Infantry.pdf
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Nope I got nothing user. Glad you turned up because I was dreading writing up the WW1 Declaration of War on Russia and the Warsaw Uprising.

Timeline-wise today is also the anniversary of the start of the Batavian Rebellion in AD 69, and the Ploesti Raid in 1943.

Line infantrymen rarely left memoirs, most could barely write anyway. An interesting exception is "A Soldier Of The 71st", which is an anonymous account of nine years of soldiering in that regiment, covering South America, Spain and Waterloo. It has some memorable accounts of being in the thick of it.

Amazing timing, I was literally just about to post. Good work anyway, Eastern Front WW1 doesn't get enough love.

Every soldier that fought in ww1 is gay, FACT

tell me about stlaingrad

There would have been moments of gayness for sure in all soldiers. They would have ll experienced queer happenings as well Because in WW1 'gay' mean't happy and 'queer' meant strange or unusual

Any Italianons who can tell me the difference between archibugiere and scoppiettiere? As far as I can tell using google, it seems both terms refer to an arquebusier.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Roch_Coignet

This guy has left memoirs. He started as a simple soldier.

Well, that was last thread but not every thread.

We used to have people who actually played games and posted pictures, sometimes even non ww2.

I sure hope we see some hot diggety in this thread.

it was a dark and stormy night, the German sixth army was surrounded in what was known as "the kessel". They had fought themselves to a standstill in Stalingrad, with the Red army feeding in endless men to prevent the capture of the city. The shelling and bombing just made it better for hiding in. Bitter street fighting was never what the Wehrmacht were designed for and they lost all momentum. Winter set in and eventually the Red army, who had been learning from the Wehrmacht the entire time, began to carry out their own offensives.

Somewhere on the Romanian lines, securing the flanks of the Sixth army, a unit of infantry huddled in a trench during a snowstorm. Suddenly the ground began to shake and the sound of tank tracks became audible over the blowing wind. How was this possible? no one would launch an attack in these conditions - even if they could they would never be able to navigate tanks!!
The Russian T-34s, driving by compass in the blizzard, smashed into the Romanian trenches, spewing machine gun fire and high explosive rounds. The Romanians didn't stand a change - who could fight in this bitter cold!?
As the flanks closed around the German Sixth army, they were completely cut off - the cauldron was formed.

Less than 10% of the German soldiers who left to fight on the eastern front would return alive...

What's everyone's opinion on blood and plunder? Or more specifically the ships, they look beautiful, but I haven't seen any painted pictures not from the studio

Personally, I love it. Only have one painted ship so far, second is on the workbench.

She's Beautiful, I have got to get me a sloop

That she is. And her bigger sisters aren't looking bad either.

(I have one each of the Sloop, the Brigantine and the Frigate).

I was just reading a blogpost about it the other day
arteis.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/blood-plunder-pirate-game-on-exquisite-terrain/

I now have a strange urge to get a French sloop and call it the Jean B

Just remembered I promised an user I'd post Ivan's WWI rules since they apparently are unavailable for sale.

Thanks user

does anyone know if the warlord games morion helmets would fit heroic scale heads?

Warlords minis are heroic.

Depends on just how heroic the heads are, we could be talking like G.I. Joe all the way up to Superman after all.

GW scale. I'm working on some not! Swiss guard for armies on parade so I have to use actual GW miniatures.

oh, I thought they were Perry style true scale

Depends which sets they're selling. The plastic Woodland Indians and the German Grenadiers are clearly from different universes.

Their legionaries and hail caesar shit seems to be true scale and their WW2 and Napoleonic is heroic. This is only my experience though

>Their legionaries
I have a set of auxiliary troops and they are heroicscale. But my warlord hoplites are truescale

Because those are not made by Warlord but by fuck if I remember who. They bought the company, like with the woodland injuns and AWI figs.

GW isn't a scale, it's a siz...wait wut?

I just want to know if those morions will fit on my empire dudes ;_;

Wargames Factory?

No, they haven't reissued those. Immortal Miniatures, I think.

What edition? 6th, probably a touch too small, but could work, 7th and it'll work nicely. I'd advise looking for heads with morions already on them, think Warlord has them as well.

I'm using the 7th edition plastic Greatswords as the base, just wondering if I can slice their hats off and add the morions or whether I need to order some bare heads to use.

Yes, that'll work.

tyvm famalam

>10 days and warlord still hasn't even shipped my order
>it's not even a large order, just two cav blisters and bases

I got an email from them that said due to some issue they had delayed shipping a bunch of orders and that my order should be shipped on the 31st or 1st with better shipping.

Bump to survive the night

come back ASLanon

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Is that the new galleon? That's one big woman

Bump

From what I can tell from the blog, it's a 3D printed piece. The guy who actually ran the game owns a company which does that sort of thing.

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Just finished watching a recent Forgotten Weapons vid on the Breda Modello 30, apparently the worst LMG ever made
youtube.com/watch?v=nFJI04ifSoM&
Jesus Italy, wtf

A machine gun that has magazines of only 10 rounds

>technically only has 1 magazine, permanently connected to the gun which can be hinged open and reloaded with stripper clips

Video said 20

I bet Lindybeige still thinks it's better than the Spandau

Nothing better than a Bren

Can someone explain lindybeige to me? I watched one of his videos in which he claimed to be something of an expert on military history, and then repeated a bunch of outdated misconceptions about medieval and ancient warfare. Why is he so popular?

He said vegans should be force fed lard and got fired from his job (i think at a museum).

Watch more of his videos and see the exact opposite. When he proposes an idea he always mentions he's by no way an expert on the topic, just his personal ramblings.

I'm still puzzled that Wehraboos still think of the MG34/42 like weeaboos think of the katana. It's not like he made valid points that were proven true by history or anything.

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The only thing at all I know about this guy is that he is or was a real fan of Arty Conliffe's old Crossfire rules, which makes it virtually impossible to discuss them because he gets brought up every time you do

Hi,
any chance to obtain Perry's Firepower ACW Rules form their ACW "battle in a box" boxed set ?
Thank you

>Why is he so popular?

I don't know. Got sick of his shit soon after he started when I saw him dismiss evidence out of hand then use that same exact evidence later on to support his argument like he hadn't just tried to invalidate it for no good reason. Even accounting for 'just opinions', people listen to and believe him.

If you can be arsed, check youtube for 'response to lindybeige' videos and you will find and endless stream of much better people saying he's wrong and why in detail. Which is the problem, he spews bullshit but because he does it so fast it takes more time to explain why he's wrong than it does for him to generate more wrongness.

Good rules, though.

He makes rant videos with little regard for factual correctness but pretends to be a history expert.

- "scoppiettiere" : 15th and 16th century infantry soldier armed with a firearm calls "scoppietto".

- "scoppietto" ( or "schioppetto" or "schioppo" ) is a hand cannon.

Ask me about the Italian army in WW2.

You know that a single man designed all Italian armoured vehicles between 1933 and 1943?

That troops in North Africa managed to endure even 30 months of warfare without R&R?

That Mussolini ordered half of the Army to be disbanded just before declaring war to Greece?

That Italy had better radar tech than the Allies but the Admiralty refused to use it as "it will never catch on"?

It's like an endless comedy, just with 400k dead people and a civil war as a result.

Why is Italy so damn idiotic?

They are like the Baltic fleet of WW2.

Ahh, a common question! Point is, Italy in WW2 was the heir of a fascinating series of problems. I can sperg about the subject at length, but it can be summarized as "The Fascist State , despite having great but partial power on the nation for twenty years, utterly failed to manage, and arguably worsened, many of the traditional problems of Italian society".

The list is frankly endless: from the overall strategy on foreign policy, focused on dispersal of forces (managing to be weak everywhere and failing to concentrate in essential fronts - fun example, the best AT guns were sent in Russia to become Soviet war prizes instead of sending them in NA -) to a frankly embarassing lack of priorities. Sum that with endless squabbling between competing powers, a officer culture that rewarded complacency, inefficiency and power cliques (while apparently focusing on élan).

It's almost dizzing. The overall strategy wasn't there, the Fascist party failed at propaganda and political motivation, the people lacked the guts for war and trust in the regime and in their allies, the officer corps were terrible, weapons were outdated , badly built, or the result of corruption and shady deals, resources were squandered in idiotic pursuits....

Pretty much the only thing that worked in the Italian army was the common man, sent to fight a senseless war with shitty weapons. I remember a letter from a soldier in NA (guy was killed shortly afterward) : "They told us blood and flesh (meaning "fighting spirit") were superior to machines: well, they aren't. In the War between blood and steel machines triumph."

user,
scoppettiere doesn't mean arquibusier, because the "scoppietto" was an early type of black powder weapon, more a hand cannon than an arquibuse.

But it is...

Well boys asked last thread but want more opinions... anyway what's the general consensus of the battlegroup ruleset? Don't like how "meme" flames of wars rules are and was hoping it's different with battlegroup.

>Don't like how "meme" flames of wars rules
This is meaningless

Let me put it this way. I don't like how typecast the various national armies are in flames of war. Say for instance hordes of soviet cannon fodder, or superior German tactics and engineering. Or the fact I can get parking lots full of tanks shooting at one another. I just want a better game and was hoping battlegroup does that.

I can't speak from personal experience, but I've only ever heard positive things about Battlgroup from discussion in this general.

Particularly when compared to Flames of War.

My By Fire and Sword Cossack skirmish force.

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sorry for phone quality

Hey, another BFAS player. Nice work.

Gott mit uns.

I like them both, and I play them both. Battlegroup is a great system with some really interesting mechanics but it tends to feel a little prone to bogging down when you try to scale up the battles. Platoon+ has worked out wonderfully with their rules, but for anything bigger I still prefer Flames. And if you want to go smaller than a platoon Crossfire's not bad.

The bigger question is: was it mechanically better than the BAR?

He got turned into a meme, and many more souls than just /hwg/ gets to cringe through it.

The problem with Battlegroup, is that it's got too much micro-managing for company scaled games. So while some might not be bothered by the extra time it takes to run things at that range, it'll be needlessly tedious for others.

if you want a beer and pretzels game just play 1940k

No one actually likes Bolt Action. Good try though.

Though really, who wants to track individual casualties at company or battalion level? Autists.

die

Are you just mad because Crossfire's a better game? Or did WGR and ASL touch you when you were young?

ASL as a game is literally impossible to learn, no wonder the only people who play it are those that wrote it 40 years ago

ASLSK is easy, and honestly a satisfying experience on it's own. It's the "full" rules that are generally terrible.

SK is stupid theres only like 5 scenarios for it

That's just sorta not true at all... there's kits and even some historical modules that use just SK.

theres like 3 SK scenarios per SK and the decision at elst. Such a great catalog

It did touch you somewhere unfortunate didn't it.