/L5R/ is upon us again with a pretty gangbusters week for news out of FFG.
This week we got organized play information (fantasyflightgames.com
In the Emperor's name I declare this blessed general thread open for discussion of the LCG, CCG, RPGs, and anything to do with Rokugan you care about.
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I want Mantis, Spider, Nezumi, Shadowlands, Naga, nezumi, Ronin, and brotherhood of shinsei to stay gone.
I suspect some of those factions we're going to see as neutral cards over time.
There's also mechanically room for two more factions with the way they've revealed Roles to work. And up to 14 if they add some kind of third axis later on besides keeper/seeker. But I think 9 might be the cap they'll ever add to the game to prevent it getting insanely unwieldy.
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Man, I still can't believe how the writers are going full anime with the story. Is this how pandering feels like?
I like how the old turboshit storytelling is gone, but I don't like the dangerous new direction the story has taken.
The author is REEEE Soesbee, one of the most divisive old writers of the line. This move does feel very Unicorn where they make a stupid move because of ideals, but I found the setup extremely weak since it basically relies on the Ide not existing and everyone else not having lived in Rokugan for 200 years at that point.
I do think it conveyed the character traits of Altansarnai and Kamoko well enough though and I look forward to them in stories by other authors.
Pretty sure the "divorced" Phoenix is actually a Scorpion
That's generally how I felt about it too. It is a very Unicorn move but it's a dumb Unicorn move, and the dialogue in general felt more 1E L5R than the rest of the fictions so far. Hell, I had gotten used to -ue over -sama before this.
I kinda really liked the detail of Daiyu being essentially a male concubine, however.
I think the Crane snuck her in there deliberately to sabotage the marriage and get the Unicorn as another front for the Lion to fight, and possibly direct allies in their own war.
>I kinda really liked the detail of Daiyu being essentially a male concubine, however.
Hey, all it takes is status and cash. I'm surprised she doesn't have a man-harem, one woman to multiple men marriages are a thing in parts of central Asia that the Unicorn totally could have lifted.
It would be really hilarious if they got her in to dishonor the marriage and weaken the Lion-Unicorn bond but weren't actually counting on Altansarnai going "okay fuck it, war it is"
Man, I was actually excited at the prospect of having a fun LCG that I could play with multiple friends. Dreams have been crushed, thanks FFG
So, /l5rg/, what was that one game that you always wanted to run but never could?
The campaign pitch that has never left my head is what I call the San Juan Bautista game. In an 1E-era Rokugan where White Stag happened about 80 years back instead of five centuries, gaijin missionaries are trickling back into Rokugan to try and make amends. As part of the amends, they have brought knowledge from afar, particularly shipbuilding knowledge. After consultation with his advisors, the Emperor commands the construction of a gaijin-style vessel to take the Embassy of the Emerald Empire Beyond The Sea Of Amaterasu to the far corners of the world. Cue in would-be explorers, young bushi eager for glory and reticent samurai that the courts would not miss particularly shoved inside a galleon and having to work together for years of journeying if they are ever to return to their Empire. The one big problem for me is that I don't care for the official fluff of the non-Rokugan nations so I'd have to make the rest of the world from scratch.
Forgot my pic, look at this swag motherfucker in Rome.
>So, /l5rg/, what was that one game that you always wanted to run but never could?
Unicorn Return court game with the PCs being a mix of clan samurai and 1-2 Unicorn in the years immediately after their return as the Unicorn try to carve a place into Rokugan with only Crane as their allies.
Other clan samurai, rather. I missed a word
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Unicorn party road trip.
What clan is this qt.314?
Could be any clan. Despite the overwhelming majority of art depiction involving clan samurai wearing clan colours, Rokugani samurai actually don't actually do that unless they're on military / guard duty, and will wear pretty much all colours in current fashions otherwise.
>when you're so Phoenix you don't even know how to hold the sword properly
He's just about to burn, the sword is the least of his problems.
An all-monk campaign. A Togashi shows up at a bunch of monasteries, and asks for one or two just-ordained nobodies from each to meet at a particular place and time. Depending on who I'm playing with, the Togashi either shows up to almost explain what's going on, or just leaves them all standing on top of a hill with no idea what do next, because Togashi. Turns out that a 0articular heresy (probably an offshoot of Perfect Land) has taken root among the local peasantry, and the PCs' job is to figure out what's going on and what to do about it. Also, reports of heresy and possible rebellion might draw the attention of samurai, and then things start to get political.
I'm deliberately leaving things vague so that I can tailor it to the party, so the nature of the heresy and what kind of attention it draws are flexible.
If I wanted to play someone of Yogotai descent in 4th ed, is it possible mechanically with what's available, or no?
1. Yodotai.
2. Legends Of The Burning Sands exists for 3e, with a 4e unofficial update.
Sorry about the typo, still new to L5R. And thanks!
Hard to find the 3rd ed book.
Perhaps, but it's not hard to go to Kaze No Shiro and find the supp.
Good morning samurai-sans
Good evening, user-san.
Are you in the pacific or east asia?
Neat
Heroic level party fighting heroic level stuff. Maybe a group of badasses on a Warrior's Pilgrimage getting sucked into the Mantis Civil War and forced to fight the hellish shit Kitao throws at Kumiko.
But everyone is trying to give Warhammer 40k another chance around here, so this campaign won't happen anytime soon.
L5R Live is currently running on the FFG facebook page.
I'm not in a place to watch. Anything new in it?
That's more Legends Of The Wulin than Legend Of The Five Rings, really. Unless they're both heavily armoured monk-samurai slinging kiho with polearms, that is.
I'm maintaining a list of new info from it and I'll post it when it's finished. So far it's not terribly meaningful.
Here's my notes:
>There will be a parade starting from outside the convention center and terminating in the game room starting the opening ceremony.
>The GenCon role choice locks everyone at the World Championship into their role choice.
>Booth will sell one core set per person. Two waits in line to get two extra core sets.
>More Hatamoto reward / interaction details will be revealed at GenCon.
>Hatamoto playmat art is “from a card you don’t even know about yet”
>In-store launch dates will be announced in the Kiku Matsuri livestream
Scorpion will be fully revealed before GenCon.
>Katrina helped on Scorpion cards. Danny helped on the Crab cards. Mat (Newman?) helped with Phoenix. Dan Clarke helped with the Unicorn.
>Step 6 of playing a card is when a card “is played” – so Let Go vs. Watch Commander will cost an honor.
>Becoming dishonored is different from being dishonored. Honored -> ordinary is still doable with a participating Steward of Law.
>Yokuni can use Tsukune’s interrupt if he copies it. “Interrupt: When [foo]” is before “Until [foo]”.
>“The spoilers are already up. They’re out there.” what
Not a very meaty livestream for them. That last bit is confusing, but ok.
New card spoiler. Hidden among the already posted articles. Legions of monkeys looking for others still, but this is probably the only one.
That's awesome
>Favored Niece
Wtf?
Was that card always there but hidden or did they edit it into it. If its the former, how did we fucking miss that? Either way, Scorpion infiltrators are unveiling themselves now. Nice. Out of the darkness into light.
What???
FUCKING SOESBEE?!?
All hype gone.
Fuck this game.
I'm out.
>It is still the best fic so far
I would be surprised, but I almost expected this to happen.
That's impossible, user.
Ree Soesbee has devoted her entire career to making L5R shit.
I'd take the fucking penguin from that pic if it meant Toturi Tsudao ceased to exist.
This lady is very pretty. What's her name?
>There is a guy who hates Toturi Tsudao
Wowowowow... NOW I'm surprised. Tell me more user.
I would say you're overreacting, but I honestly had the exact same reaction.
So much for FFG saving L5R. All hope of that ever happening is gone now.
That card was not there before. It got added in at a later date, almost certainly today, considering the heavy handed hints dropped in today's livestream.
What's the story here?
That hope was gone with the Lion fic.
Deep breath user. She's not the story lead this time. She'll just probably put out some of the annoyingly flawed fictions. The ones where if not for a few frustrating details they would be fine.
Like forgetting that katanas are fucking curved too holy shit woman
Till the Unicorn I feel like the stories had been pretty strong after that.
>katanas are curved too
I cringed at that too. It was like seeing every dumb skyrim meme all over again-- I could hardly be more appalled if Arasou retired from championship because Hotaru shot him in the knee.
>Like forgetting that katanas are fucking curved too holy shit woman
they are, but consider the perspective of the story.
I dug the Lion story actually. It makes things between Hotaru and Toturi really awkward and I like the conspicuous absence of Akodo Kage because I really want to be spared Kolat bullshit this time.
Also, Hotaru porn where
High IR Clan War campaign. Starts with Imperial Winter Court and ends with the Second Day of Thunder.
Ree was the lead story writer during second edition and whatever the CCG arc(s) were. Widely regarded as having created a particularly obnoxious mary sue, and otherwise been an easy target for flinging shit over some poor story directions.
Yeah, basically. Shizue was annoying but every other dev had their pet NPCs as well. As for the 2E era plot, it was crap but its foundations were in 1E and the relevant arcs (fucking Way of Shadow, fucking Merchant's Guide)
Also responsible for the Kakita Artisan. Which makes her unforgivable in perpetuity.
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Hey fuck you, the Artisans own. They're super OP in the set of 1E non-bushi schools (especially compared to lame shit like Kaiu Engineers or god spare us the Ikoma Bards) but magic art is cool as shit.
>They're super OP in the set of 1E non-bushi schools
Give that the !E splats is very clearly what user is talking about, have you considered the fact that being super OP might be what user is irritated about?
Uh, yeah? That they are OP doesn't mean they aren't cool.
I didn't dislike it, but I feel like it was the weakest story till the Unicorn. Toturi's strategic genius felt more informed to me than Kisada did when they used similar 'think of battle like a weird metaphor' techniques, and it didn't really get good till the back half when we suddenly had a crisis in the clan.
Matsu Tsuko is going to ruin everything again I think but I hope in a new way.
Lots of people disliked Tsudao. She got voted ded at Gen Con by everyone that played in qualifiers during the finale of the Four Winds arc.
I say Shizue wasn't THAT bad, they just messed her up with that stupid Kolat bullshit.
Aside from infiltrating a bunch of groups and distributing crystal that one time, what the fuck has the Kolat actually done?
As far as I know, everything that brought them closer to their goal was done by forces entirely unrelated to the kolat.
Something I've wondered about in L5R, not sure where to find the relevant info
How does the setting reconcile that it combines both kharmic reincarnation and several possible afterlives? Especially when it seems as though every named samurai has gone into an afterlife rather than become reincarnated
Only a few make it to the realm of honored dead, and they can choose to get reincarnated whenever they want.
Most of the afterlives are not permanent, they're only there to bleed off kharmic debt before you get reincarnated.
When you die, the first thing you do is sit in the waiting room. Then you get judged by Emma-O (And the lords of death in very late eras), who will usually assign you your next reincarnation. If you've been a fuckup, you might get stepped down to peasant or eta. If you dun good, you get stepped up to a higher tier of mortal. Sometimes you just get recycled. If you've done really well, you might get sent to the end-goal afterlife, where your soul chills out with all the other exemplars in an idealized Rokugan, until you get bored of being worshiped and decide to roll back into the mortal realm for a life or two.
If you're a real fuckup, you might get sent to Gaki-do, and if you're a *bloodthirsty* fuckup, you'll get written off as a lost cause and sent to the realm of slaughter. Gaki can earn their way back into the mortal realm eventually. Slaughter spirits are pretty much a dead end.
Anyone who willingly traffics with the realm of evil gets sent straight there, and it will never let you go because it's a jealous, controlling bastard of a spirit realm.
Then there's the animal realm, which is really not a human concern, and a couple other places that aren't really afterlives.
Emma-O and the Shi-Tien Yen-Wang are the judges of the dead and send them to their respective kharmic punishments/rewards and/or reincarnation.
I can give you a couple of big reincarnations that came about in the story. First Lady Shinjo, she was killed when Fu-Leng attempted to storm Tengoku. Emma-o snatched her soul and reincarnated her as Moto Naleesh. Another big one was the fate of Bayushi Shoju's soul. On his death he was condemned by Emma-O to become a gaki. He eventually completed his penance and reincarnated as Bayushi Nitoshi.
Man how I wish L5R was more like this. Though I have run a few games like this. Earth Ring x4 for Health, with a Rank 5 game can get this crazy if you let it.
Their main thing is working as a behind the scenes influence on everything. So when you ask "what have they done, except for that bit where someone else did their stuff for them" ... well, that's it. That's what they do.
Posting better pic of Phoenix Clan Champion.
Except they explicitly avoided those issues out of fear of being exposed. They watched the gozoku without touching it. The sun and moon were spontaneous acts by individuals. The Totori dynasty was left to burn itself down. Ect.
>dat art
>that card quote
>My Champion Can't Be This Cute
I'd read it
>reading that pasta
>re-reading it.
this actually happened?
sure it isn't some Veeky Forums mythologist making shit up "but it's on the net so of course it happened"?
penguin?
kachiko.
she is love, she is life
So in the 4e core book the mai Chong is shown as 0k3. Does that mean that I must have a minimum of 3 strength to use it?
Kachiko a slut. A slut.
No, but kept dice can't be higher than rolled dice, so it gets downgraded to 2k2 at strength 2.
Thanks
Also is the Mai Chong good
hey, /l5r/, i need you opinion on something:
>strawpoll.me
arigato gozaimas!
>a bunch of unfunny "joke" options that just show how bitter you are about the game being different at all
Here's a question. What makes you think the fate mechanic disallows long games?
Eh.
It's okay if you're a Boar Clan samurai.
But 4e has a problem where you're using a Katana, a heavy weapon, a bow, your bare fists (With certain advantages) or you're using a sub-par weapon.
Now, combat is very lethal, so you won't be useless or anything as long as your weapon does Xk2 or better, but it will be subpar.
Hey, I made that pic one laptop ago. Glad to see someone saved it.
What I liked about the story is how it makes Tsuko's bullshit more palatable. Toturi isn't now just some stranger put on the throne that can never live up to Arasou: he might just be directly responsible for his death in her eyes. We know it's bullshit because we have Toturi's POV, but her being always pissed off at Toturi makes more sense now, and the fact that it was his own best friend that killed his brother instead of some random samurai makes things more complicated for Toturi. I also liked that Agetoki of all people sounded like a grounded, more reasonable voice.
I prefer Stolze's idea for the Kolat. You know, the one he wrote based on deliberately false information.
The Kolat are basically the Illuminati. They're rich, powerful, and above all things want stability to keep their train rolling. In City of Lies, their primary enemy is the Unicorn, because they are still an uncertain element and because they brought opium with them: the opium trade (central to the book's conflicts) is rocking Rokugani society in a way that bothers the Kolat something fierce. This unwittingly also puts them against the Scorpion, who are using the opium trade to gain influence in places they normally don't have good access to like the Crab military, and in the particular case of the Scorpion governor of Ryoko Owari it helps her in improving the quality of life of her citizens and the status of her city as a whole.
Speaking of, how did Ujimitsu die?
essentially off-screen and pathetically as an old man, no final fiery death of pure duty like we loved...
I guess as long as it wasn't as bullshit as Burisagu's death, it's okay.
>I like the conspicuous absence of Akodo Kage because I really want to be spared Kolat bullshit this time.
Fuck you, Kage was cool as shit and as were the Kolat until the story team screwed it all up. See Ree...
Wasn't Kage as (a) Kolat Master one of the first story prizes in the first place?
So Toturi's army is okay then?
Yes.