Bait of Konor

Making Chaos all powerful, and everything revolving around them, they have completely taken the bite out of the Xenos as being a credible threat. When everything is predetermined to fall out in Chaos favor, why even concentrate on threats like Tyranids and Necrons?

Eldar might be the only exception, since they seem to have pretty big spot-light in this new shitty storyline.

It won't be Chaos dominating. Notice that I didn't EU should be removed despite the Imperium dominating there. UK/World and EU regions are more or less evened with Chaos and Imperium having chance at seizing the lead. The US region is abysmal and is dragging the whole campaign into being one sided. If the US region didn't exist (cause of a Korean nuclear holocaust for example), then the campaign would be a nail better. More tense and fun for all involved.

>Konor

Who wins on Konor will be given an advantage in the coming narrative story of Ultramar round 2. It's not just a system. It's gonna influence where the story goes.

nail bitter*

>When GW created Chaos they inserted the concept of it being the originator and destructor of all that exists.
>A Force of entropy that cannot be stopped. Fighting against it only makes it stronger
>The Undead were introduced as the counter of Chaos. The only faction with the ability to stop Chaos. They realising of their plans would create a gray sterile world of unchanging order. The anathema of Chaos

>Years later, Chaos was ported to 40K
>After some years, it was decided thatto add in the anti-Chaos faction aka Undead which happened to translate into 40K as the Necrons.
>The Necrons in their 3th ED incarnation were the opposite of everything Chaos stood for and equally as threatening. A monolithic force of metallic revenants led by Star Vampires whose goal to seal Chaos away and usher an age of colourless and eternal order to the galaxy. They were the anathema to Chaos and its end.

>Some years later,
>Anons : WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
>GW in 5th ED utterly rewrote the story of the Necrons
>Scaling down their threat to the setting by large magnitudes making they a disjointed collection of infighting kingdom ruled by cripplingly mad monarchs
>Their all powerful material gods humbled and reduced to sharded slaves
>their anti-warp technology being retconned to being less effective than the warding spells of the psyker races
>their method of travel was reworked to be the Webway to cripple their movement in the setting
>their rivalry with Chaos scrubbed in favour of making them the rival of the Tyranids
>effectively, the Necrons were neutered as a opposing faction for Chaos. Allowing Chaos to run roughshot on the setting unopposed

And who is to blame? You guys.

>WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
None of us asked for tomb kings in space, we just wanted more units

I hope you were satisfied with what you got.

Wish GW had went with a more machine less piloted thing with some of the Crons vehicles.
A lord should be able to get of his Barge but the pilots should be hard wired in, no legs, hell not even arms just a control module.

Tomb blades should have been wraiths/AI units, not piloted wheels.

Was there even a chance for chaos to win to begin with? Just look at the only cheese unit they had now reduced to a flying pile of shit. BS4 and a heavy weapon that will hit on 5+ on the move. It's not hard to hit and can be charged any given time. The weapon can be changed to a flamer that doesn't ignore cover for almost double the cost of the default weapon. What the hell?

Hell turkey are good though.
They move 30" turn one, fire off a flamer with enough power to wipe a TEQ/biker squad and then charge. When it most likely survives to the next turn you disengage from combat and flame another unit.

>>Anons : WAH WAH WAH WAH we don't like the Necrons
Who the fuck didn't like necrons?
if anything people didn't like the limited roster and motivations on top the c'tan being little less than chaos gods proxies, which further proves that people find chaos as it's currently being treated extremely unfun.
the change into newcrons had good directions but exaggerated.

just like how GW exaggerated in having the chaos gods push a cohesive agenda and restricting or straight up removing anyone else from having a setting relevant appearance and opportunity.

as always, carnac, your sources are incomplete and your conclusions shortsighted.

Top kek, you're such a butthurt retard. The NA region is actually more contested than the EU, and has been for both planets.
Stay obsessed.

Completely untrue. Back in 4th/5th every faction had win conditions and Chaos could be beaten- in fact it's one of the reasons the Chaos Gods put so much into the heresy. They were starving at the time.

Necrons were rewritten because people kept complaining their whole schtick was "immortal terminators who will win, lol, better hope Void Dragon doesn't wake up ;)" 4th Ed Necrons were basically what Chaos is now.

As a veteran of thousands oldcron vs newcron, you are wrong. I nee to make a big post for this but currently busy. See after class in an hour.

Only on lucky rolls. D6 Auto-hits, 3+ to wound and -2 on the save without ignoring cover - if the terminators just sit around in cover it will be only -1. So you have 3 hits on average with 1.5 wounds on average that will be saved 50% of the time. What a deal. With mediocre rolls you may kill some terminators in cc but they will rip the dragon another asshole to the front.

If only the Vodi Dragon had woke before they were redone.

Imperium is by far the most populous and numerous faction. Of the newest models, Imperium models are easier to paint (no weird flesh tones, no extra spikes and details) gaining more points for painting.
Xenos would rather join the winning team as they feel left out.

It would have been pretty sweet. I think the consensus was it would cause the AdMech to Fracture and Necrons would get the lightning warriors described in the Codex.

Of course, others thought that it would also get a face full of Astronomicon the instant it left Mars.

>Of course, others thought that it would also get a face full of Astronomicon the instant it left Mars.

It always surprise me how little people know about the fluff. The light of the Astronomicon is in the Warp, not real space. The Void Dragon shard can crack Terra in half and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

>Back in 4th/5th every faction had win conditions and Chaos could be beaten

Let me just the 6th ED, 7th ED, and 8th ED rulebooks quick. Ohhh....It looks their text says that these factions still have their win conditions/ So what the fuck were you complaining about. There is no had in this.

> in fact it's one of the reasons the Chaos Gods put so much into the heresy. They were starving at the time.

This is fabrication.

>Necrons were rewritten because people kept complaining their whole schtick was "immortal terminators who will win, lol, better hope Void Dragon doesn't wake up ;)" 4th Ed Necrons were basically what Chaos is now.

You mean it had a win condition like any other faction but unlike any other faction it was more detailed. It wasn't just "all unite or they arrive". It was a step by step process similar to Chaos.

Dude, you shot yourself in the foot and presented the case that there is nothing wrong with the lore of Chaos.

Chaosfags complain incessantly whenever they lose. How can one fan base be so entitled across the board?

Yesterday I walked into my GW and the event for the day was a big apocalypse match where big vics and lords of war were free but everyone was free to bring 65 power of small things and infantry/elites or whatever else they wanted. It was along slog of a match with an enforced 30 minute timer for each turn. In order for maximum effect for every 10 victory points scored by a side Store Manager recorded 1 victory for that side The final score was 105 Chaos 113 Imperium. Chaos would have claimed the overall victory if the "Units left in defenders deployment zone alive" rule gave us one point PER unit alive and not just one point if any were in there. Dumping photos taken during.

...

The fliers didnt last too long

I wasnt excepting an apocalypse game when I walked in

>Eldar Fighting Alongside Necrons and Chaos against Imperium

Our warlord was, surprise, the titan

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>54729432
>54729107
Ere we go.
>Who the fuck didn't like necrons?
Plenty of dweeps. The guys who kept harping about the shoehorning and all that junk. Primarily Eldarfags. They didn't understand that the Necrons were created to fill the holes that would have been taken over by Chaos. Now Chaos was overrun the setting background since it has to compositor as the prime-mover and facilitator of the lore.

Then you have the DIVERSITY crowd who are a plague in their own right. No matter how many times it was explained to them that the Oldcron diversity problem could have been cured in a way that maintained their themology and integrity, insist that the Newcron retcon was perfect in every way despite what a woeful hackjob it was. These guys can be found fapping to Trazyn. You saying that the Newcron had a good direction shows DISMAL knowledge who much the Newcron lore went out of its way to lovingly ruin even the most basic elements of the Necrons (being a silent army for example).

>top the c'tan being little less than chaos gods proxies,

Could only be applied to the Deceiver and only superficially. The Nightbringer was just a godly serial killer. The other two C'tan were never expanded on.

The Deceiver's role being the chief "on the grounds" manipulator of the setting was inhered by Be'lakor and you know how small minded fools react to him.

This thing babysat my high command by being really stompy

> which further proves that people find chaos as it's currently being treated extremely unfun.

Chaos was the way it was since day one. Because of modernization and the ease of releasing tons of content in short period of time. Chaos that gets most of the attention among the bad guy faction got the most development which inevitably requires some amping up. Due to the failure of the Necrons as being accepted being major villain faction in 3th ED and 4th ED, GW halted pushing any of the antag factions. The playerbase dispute having a whining vocal minority will never accept anything but Chaos as the ultimate bad guy. This creates a vicious cycle.

>just like how GW exaggerated in having the chaos gods push a cohesive agenda

The Chaos Gods in 8th ED are anything but cohesive.

>restricting or straight up removing anyone else from having a setting relevant appearance and opportunity.

The bad reception of the oldcrons resulted in this but factions still possess their win conditions. They are just as not progressed or expolred as Chaos because you guys mad GW scared to invest in any other bad guy faction.GW is sticking to what they know. I will write show you in the next post how GW utterly flipped the lore out of fear.

tl;dr it was your faults. You spoke with your words and wallets. GW answered.

I had never seen titans before and this picture really helps determine scale.

This is revisionist post made by someone who never actually played who experienced Necrons through 3rd, 4th and up to 5th edition.

>armorcast titan
That thing is probably older than me and it's still not painted.

game was really fun. we recorded 10 chaos victories and 11 imperium for the sake of the campaign. We just didnt have the numbers to out kill-y enough of the imperiums things.

I don't think I've ever seen any of the old Armorcast kits painted

Who gives a shit? I'm so tired of chaos after End Times. I don't want to see chaos win anything for at least a couple years.

>all those stacks of ugly boxes

Apocalypse games on a non scenic board always look like shit

>muh plastic mans aren't winning
>why can't USA just get bombed reeeeeeee

Maybe this is why Xenos players aren't backing Chaos

So the Necrons getting a rewrite justifies the Tyranids being placed entirely on the backburner?

Because I strictly remember 3rd/4th most people saw them as the biggest threat, followed by the Necrons.

Chaos was dangerous but was also limited by its ultimately symbiotic relationship with the galaxy, with the biggest threat being Abaddon breaking through Cadia.

cool, looks like it was fun

And that's ad hom.

continued....

Lets examine the narrative of EoT vs FoC when it came to the Necrons.

In EoT, Necrons hosts were streaming to the Cadian system ignoring the Imperium and fighting off Chaos to reach their objective of protecting the pylons and destroying the the Blackstone Fortresses which were at the time the only means of which the Necron could be stopped. Eldrad's entire involvement in EoT wasn't about fighting Chaos. It was about foiling the C'tan's plans and securing the Blackstone Fortreses before the Necrons got to them.

There were legions of Necrons scattered around the Cadian Gate in EoT. Wanna guess how many Necrons were in the Cadian Gate in FoC? A grand total of....1. Only Trazyn. Apparently the Necron dynasty gave zero fucks about the fate of the pylons and minus fucks about the Blackstone Fortresses. The Necron involvement in the Cadian saga which was substantial in the past is now insulting minimal with Trazyn being there on a whim.

This extends to the whole Newcron lore which seem bent on lowering the Necron involvement in the fight against Chaos as low as possible. Newcron are virtually nonexist in the main "everyone vs Chaos" storyline wih their current lore pushing them to more infighting and working against the Tyranids which is mind numbing nonsensical.

It's a fucking joke. Comedic exaggeration. Get over yourself. Just little livid that our American comrades are underpreforming like usual

>Does Chaos stand a single chance of winning?
nope

t. Matt Ward

>Remove the US region
...f-from the planet?

>the Tyranids being placed entirely on the backburner?

How are they placed in the backburner? One of the major opening events of 8th Ed, that future generations will remember as the "Battle for Macragge" of modern 40K, is the Devastation of Baal. Then you have the Orks and Tyranids fighting off the Blood Crusade in Octaria. The line of the arrived fleets being a tip of the massive Tyranid main fleet is restated in the 8th ed rulebook/index. The Tyranids received more lore than any other xenos faction below the Aledari.

You want something at the backburner? It's the Necrons. There is no 8th ED even to their name. You are spoiled.

>Chaos was dangerous but was also limited by its ultimately symbiotic relationship with the galaxy,

Never been truly true. Open your 2nd Codex Imperialis book. Scroll to the deadly evolution section.

Chaos players need to unload their artillery, Soul Grinders en mass will bombard imperials!

No-one's going to remember the Devastation of Baal fondly because its conclusion was "Bobby G turns up with the chadmarines and saved everyone"

>Baal

BTFO by Khorne's Cicatrix Pub Crawl and Guilliman

>Octarius

No change since 3rd. Again "slaughtered" by Khorne Demons until they left.

Neither of those even matter.

>people didn't like necrons because they were like chaos

>the direction wasn't good because the exaggeration wasn't good

>only the expanded upon c'tan was like chaos; and only small minded people don't like that anyway

>chaos and the npcs were always like this because when they weren't (((they))) would whine

>the chaos gods aren't cohesive especially in the edition where they are described as willing to always join forces to eat the universe and actually described as doing it

>only the expanded upon factions have expanded upon goals but only because the writers want to expand on them, but it's YOUR fault

>inb4 EYE OF TERROR WAS AN INSIDE JOB

your arguments are nonsensical crap that only makes sense to a troll that mistakenly end up believing what he vomited to bait anons

When GW sticks to what they know they do shit, because they don't actually know: they don't do market researches and only analyse their own past data falling into the obvious feedback loop of producing more of what they produce more and producing less of what they produced less, because guess what? assuming similar efforts in quality, shit ends up selling more if it had more support.

for years GW "knew" genestealer cults were an outdated concept that wouldn't sell
for years GW "knew" that specialist games were an inefficient product
for years GW "knew" that social media contact with the playerbase was counterproductive
for years GW "knew" that licensing their stuff to competent studios would damage their profits

which GW was that?

They should have just added more C'tan, instead of hyping up 4 "Not-Chaos" god ones, and than making half of the four locked away. Plus, that makes fielding the 2 free ones feel kinda whimpy.

It's like if you made it so that Nyarlathotep and Shub-niggurath are the only two gods left in the Mythos, and could be driven away by a bunch of tanks and bombs.

C'tan should have all been united, but also had their Pantheon filled out. There were a unknown number of C'tan, and each one was shaped to look like a Necrontyr god. Give them each their own goals, and their prefered way to eat the life force of mortals, and make a HQ kit /profile for them. That way, you get to have more flavor for your army, while keeping the Oldcron feel.

Honestly a good plot point would have the void dragon ally itself with the imperium.
It wouldn't want to return to the necrons to become a slave, it has a metric fuck ton of worshippers, and nigh impenetrable protection from the necrons.

plus I am in desprite need of new AdMech models that won't come because chad-marines

>How are they placed in the backburner?
>Devastation of Baal
>chaos shows up for no reason apart from needing to say they are the more important enemy to the blood angels

>Octaria
>chaos shows up for no reason apart from needing to say they are just as much, no, achtually the more stronger force amidst a clash of xenos

really makes you think

Yeah I can just imagine GW sitting there going "Oh no our favorite faction won everything this needs to be changed!"

Not going to happen. This sweeping imperial victory just saves them the trouble of having to write up some deus ex bullshit about how the Imperium got out of this defeat.

The Dragon sticking with Humanity would be pretty cool. It has everything it could want.

except absolute control and not having the guy that kicked you off to mars as coworker

>>the chaos gods aren't cohesive especially in the edition where they are described as willing to always join forces to eat the universe and actually described as doing it

Dude, 8th ED Chaos lore started with the 13th Black Crusade breaking up into a backstabbing/infighting mess with warbands disappearing into a warpstorm ravaged galaxy. The Gods each walked away fro the accord to pursue their agendas and pleasures. The unity of Chaos did not last a moment after Cadia as cleaved in half.

>>people didn't like necrons because they were like chaos

I said they were the opposite Chaos.

>only the expanded upon c'tan was like chaos;

Being a schemer equals not Chaos.

>and only small minded people don't like that anyway

Not like Be'lakor. Dude, follow the text.

>>only the expanded upon factions have expanded upon goals but only because the writers want to expand on them, but it's YOUR fault

Laurie Goulding kept saying that everything GW retcons and changes is done to push internal setting logic and also most importantly for market and IP appeal. For that they must check their playerbase for data and feedback. The change towards a massive push for Chaos wasn't done under the old management which you loath. It is under the newer management that listens and gave you the four things you asked for and more. You know what that means? Modern GW through their data believes that the Chaos push fits the current market appeal. So how can it not be your fault?

>Our faction may never suffer defeats ever. It must be allowed to steamrolled over anything
>We can't be slaughtered like any other faction because are are special you see.
>Octaria is a win unless its inconvenient for me

You guys I just can't.

>its conclusion was "Bobby G turns up with the chadmarines and saved everyone"

And then the cavalry arrived. Par the course for Tyranids battles really.

its fine when your faction gets defeated dude, its not fine when it happens all the time and without any explanation, Tyranids get BTFO by everything and sometimes is just a mention in a codex and that's it

Tyranids lost one major battle in 8th ed.

Chaos lost on Biel-Tan. It lost on Maccrage. It lost again on Maccrage. New SM codex fluff is almost exclusively about them defeating Chaos. It goes on and on.

Step your losing up, senpai.

Continued....

And here is your explanation. A full length novel written by the best Tyranid writer that BL has. It's more than many factions got. Like i said you are all spoiled as hell. Win or lose, I would kill for some Necron lore right about now.

>The Blood Angels Chapter of Space Marines is under threat. Having obliterated all human life in the Red Scar region of space, the largest tendril of Hivefleet Leviathan ever seen in the Imperium has converged and is making relentlessly for Baal.

>To face this awesome foe, Commander Dante has called upon the Successor Chapters of the ancient Ninth Legion. The Sons of Sanguinius gather in numbers not seen since the dark days of the Horus Heresy. Thirty thousand Space Marines stand ready to thwart the Great Devourer, save the homeworld of their primarch, and prevent the consumption of billions in the Ultima Segmentum beyond.

>But the tyranid swarm numbers in the trillions, and they are not the only danger to the Chapter’s future. As the galaxy slides toward a terrifying new era, events far away threaten to unleash a greater evil. A further enemy must also be overcome, that of the Black Rage that lurks in the souls of all Sanguinius’s bloodline.

>trillions of Tyranids snuffed out by a giant demon with an axe

And a warp storm fart!

>but, you see, they also infight :^)
the infighting is inconsequential to their official stance of everything going just as planned, except for the primarines

>opposite of chaos
it's you who said they fill a niche that would be occupied by chaos, make up your mind

>schemer is not chaos
no, sorry they are just NOT!chaos, instilling concepts in the psyche of races, just as planning treachery and mutating humans to their ends

>not like be'lakor
why do you think people harbor different feelings for something that acts like it? be'lakor is worse, sure, but the c'tan too have their reasons to be shat on, and some happen to be the same

>For that they must check their playerbase for data and feedback.
that would be logical, but they didn't, as a matter of fact many if not all of the "faithful and actual retellings" that happen in the fluff are the brainstorming of a restricted circle whom decisions are more often than not net with opposition by the fans.

>The change towards a massive push for Chaos wasn't done under the old management which you loath. It is under the newer management.
Wrong, the roots of the current change lie way beyond any time frame the current management may have had to influence it
current management is responsible for deals, pushing media contact and at best specialist game, since their announcement coincided with the shift.

>So how can it not be your fault?
because feedback loop, I already told you that but you pretended it didn't exist, assuming they did market researches when they admitted on their own to not do them

The Tyranids brought the bloodline of angel to its knees. Decimated a force of 30K marines, and you guys focus on how they lost? The battle was more epic than that time with Behemoth.

Your strawmanning are shit, carnac

people wanted an appropriately climatic event, instead they got a deus ex that explicitly went against the premises that were set for the situation

>The battle was more epic than that time with Behemoth.
a story with a shitty ending is a shitty story

at least the gimmick to defeat behemoth involved the established trope of the heroic sacrifice to hit the bullseye

baal literally went
>and then they dieded of heart attack

Xenos are npc races though?
They are all minor threats not worth thinking about militarily too much on the galactic scale or forces of nature more akin to natural disasters than motivated characters.
There is a reason chaos Xenos are rarely ever mentioned and it's because only the protaganist (imperium) gets to fight the true threat of the main antagonist (the corrupt nature man).

Random space bloogies simply aren't allowed to be main characters in 40k. The only one even close to it is the eldar but their only purpose is to serve as a bad example for humanity to avoid following

I'll wait for the novel to drop before making any judgement based a on the anemic description of the rulebook.

>instead they got a deus ex

And how is this different than any other time it happened to the Tyranids?

>premises that were set for the situation

The premise is that as the Fall of Cadia went down in tandem with the Devastation of Baal. Which we always knew since like 5th ED. And what else we know? Ka'Bandha was making his way to Baal. in 8th ed, He found Tyranids in the way and he killed them.

I'd honestly rather have seen the blood angels fight off the tyranids by themselves rather than getting saved by robot gorrilaman

don't really care about this NPC obsession desu
40,000 is a shit tier story anyway, I'm just in it for the models

Riptide Buffs incoming. GW seen how insufferable their own Space Marine fanbase is getting now and make things right again. :)

Tau basically confirmed to win a huge victory against Chad Marines now and be their first big defeat as usual.

Tau solely exist to kick the shit out of the IoM and Space Marines at this point to keep their big ego's in check.

The natural order of the universe is reestablishing itself.

>the infighting is inconsequential to their official stance of everything going just as planned,

What just as planned? 8th ED shows that the Chaos Gods are like children that were suddenly let into a toy store. There is no plan other than having fun. Abaddon has/had a plan. We'll have to wait for the CSM codex to know what became of it.

>it's you who said they fill a niche that would be occupied by chaos

The niche of being the main bad guy. They go on it opposite to Chaos.

>NOT!chaos, instilling concepts in the psyche of races

Because reality warping is beyond a being whose power is only limited by his imagination.

>just as planning treachery

Chaos has no monopoly on it.

>and mutating humans to their ends

Gene-manipulation is a form science. The C'tan were known to engineer races to serve their ends. Though, mainly to feed on them.

>but the c'tan too have their reasons to be shat on, and some happen to be the same

Reasons seem contrived. It looks you are inventing reasons just to force yourself to hate them.

>that would be logical, but they didn't, as a matter of fact many if not all of the "faithful and actual retellings" that happen in the fluff are the brainstorming of a restricted circle whom decisions are more often than not net with opposition by the fans.
>assuming they did market researches when they admitted on their own to not do them

That's tinfoily. Got proof?

>Wrong, the roots of the current change lie way beyond any time frame the current management may have had to influence it

Even if we assume that's true, then the current management are continuing to walk the Chaos brick road. Now why would they do that if there is no profit in it?

>And how is this different than any other time it happened to the Tyranids?
that it went against the premises of the event, can you even read?

The invasion of hive fleet leviathan was hyped to be but one tendril of the main fleet growing enough to be able to challenge Baal
But then they pretended the whole hive fleet just converged

It was set up at a moment when it would be difficult to receive reinforcements because of the shadow, then the other wars, then the rift
but then they handwaved everything with guilliman simply walking straight to the battlezone, through the rift, after hearing the signals of help and with a fresh army

it was supposed perhaps the biggest showdowns of the blood angels against the tyranids
and then GW shoehorned chaos into it
what even are the reasons for people to NOT be disappointed by such a story?

Dude, when have the tyranids EVER had a victory?

Didn't they win in IA IV?

>IA IV
So one time in a forge world book?

Thirty years worth of writing and they've won ONE TIME?

In their backstory.

Nids were made to job.

Pretty much. It sucks right?

Same with every other Xenos faction, to be honest.

I just want to see the imperium lose once in a while.

>The invasion of hive fleet leviathan was hyped to be but one tendril of the main fleet growing enough to be able to challenge Baal
>But then they pretended the whole hive fleet just converged

No, no, no. The size of Cryptus tendril was never stated before. 8th ED revealed that tendril to be the main body of the fleet. The Dante novel expanded on things by hinting that the Hivemind has a sense of vindictiveness towards the Blood Angels which could explain why the Tyranid zoned in on Baal with such force.

>but then they handwaved everything with guilliman simply walking straight to the battlezone

There is no handwave. The Great Rift has temporary and permanent gabs in it. Girly could have used any of them to navigate towards Baal. It was known before Cadia fell that the Blood Angels were about to be besieged by the Tyranids. You think Girly would allow the Angels to fall?

>it was supposed perhaps the biggest showdowns of the blood angels against the tyranids

And it bloody was. The Tyranids decimated a force 30K marines. The Angels were nearly brought to extinction (for the millionth time tehe~).

>and then GW shoehorned chaos into it

All factions suffered from the birth of the Great Rift. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL. Besides, the seeds of Leviathan's destruction was planted in Shadowbrink which ended with the vanquished daemons plotting the downfall of the fleet.

You think actions shouldn't have consequences?

>what even are the reasons for people to NOT be disappointed by such a story?

Because it's a typical Tyranids invasion story and it will have kickass novel written about it.

>all this fighting about Nu-Chaos

Just go Iron Warriors and spend your time just trying to kick one particular chapter in the nutsack and have 0 interest in furthering the Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzneetch/Khorne agenda.

Fucks sake, everything from the arrival of fleet X to its defeat is full of victories. You only focus on how hive fleets journeys ended rather than focusing on the journey itself.

Everyone has to make sacrifices.

>could you make a fortress strong enough those guys couldn't take it?
>sure
>10,000 years and one failed siege of said fortress later
>I'm so fucking bitter, fists must die
What a great subfaction.

>What just as planned?
The crimsom path
it's inevitable you said, it can't be stopped you said
the fact that the rulebook says the gods singlemindedly put aside rivalries to devour the galaxy indicate that if they infight it is inconsequential to this common plan

>main bad guy
so you are agreeing that people didn't like that they were acting like chaos

>reality warping
>monopoly on treachery
>gene modding
you keep avoiding to admit that they acted practically like chaos gods proxies

>reasons seem contrived
they are pretty simple: they just as planned themselves into relevance onto the lore and have been characterised as possessing powers and natures that go against the consistency of the setting

>proof?
you first, since you assumed they did market researches for their retcons

>Now why would they do that if there is no profit in it?
because the process of changing years worth of schedules is not immediate and because for all we know current management is almost the same as old management except for the way they package and present shit
background remains a concern of the writers

>No, no, no. The size of Cryptus tendril was never stated before.
It was stated to be just a tendril of leviathan
It was not the whole hive up until the story was turned upside down in 8th when it was also already decided how it would have ended.

>There is no handwave.

When you establish something to be almost impassable and then the first time it has take part in something you have people just traverse it, you're literally handwaving it being an obstacle.

>The crimsom path

From the review of the new CSM codex, its a work in progress. Suffered a setback.

GW created three storylines with Macguffins meant specifically to half the Crimson Path.

>he fact that the rulebook says the gods singlemindedly put aside rivalries to devour the galaxy

Page it.

>so you are agreeing that people didn't like that they were acting like chaos

Some hated the "showhorning". From what I seen the majority wanted DIVERSITY.

>you keep avoiding to admit that they acted practically like chaos gods proxies

They acted as gods. And you can only stretch the whole they are Not!Chaos on the Deceiver. The rest weren't expanded on at all.

>possessing powers and natures that go against the consistency of the setting

The power of science goes against the consistency of a sci-fi setting?

>you first, since you assumed they did market researches for their retcons

Here.

>because

So you are saying that GW is dumb enough to steer itself off a cliff and risk lose in net profits?