Epic General - 40k and 30k

except that if I'm going to get into it then I want to get GW (styled) stuff, not close approximations of the GW stuff I want.

They kinda work, but they're also the easiest faction for 3rd party minimakers to design without infringing (unless they're Trolls Under the Bridge in which case they don't seem to care).

Historicals tend to be a little spindly for 40k, and real-life tanks are just too low to look right. Exodus Wars had "heroic scale" tanks closer to modern ones in design, and I don't think they fit very well in the 40k universe.

eBay's not as bad as it used to be. But the goal is to keep making threads until resinbro comes back and isn't too drunk next time.

You could probably modify some WW1 tanks to fit the Imperial aesthetic, since thats what they are inspired by anyway.

Do you mean like the old epic models?

Cause most of these new models look quite a bit better than the originals thanks to improvements in technology.

I remember these. I love Epic just because I really like the dinky minis.

Does anyone else remember the WD articles where they turned a bunch of Epic minis into a "Travel" version of Warhammer 40K for play on trains and planes? I think they were using tiny slices of magnetic strip on the bases and a steel plate battlefield.

>Historicals tend to be a little spindly for 40k, and real-life tanks are just too low to look right.

I once bought some GHQ M110 A2 self propelled guns to use as Basilisk proxies.

Interestingly enough, the M110s are pretty much the same length as the old MKII GW Basilisk, but the Basilisk's proportions are... well... cartoony.

where do these models come from?

Sounds awfully similar to something an user over in /awg/ tried to do with Kings of War.

I think he was using 10mm figures though.

Good idea though, been tempted to try something similar myself.

I recall it worked pretty well because the old Epic models had tiny sub-bases on them (meant to fit into the squad bases) that were pretty close in proportion to the standard 40K slottabases.

I wish I knew user, the second one is apparently the work of a rather hard to pin down recaster, if this thread stays up long enough you might get better answers.

>Using GHQ miniatures for epic.

This is one case where I'd say the miniatures are actually far too high quality for the source material, although it would probably look good if used consistently.

ghq miniatures are also smaller scale

Man, those are some really nice Epic tanks.

Source on this pic or miniatures?

What scale is Epic? 15mm? 10mm? 6mm? 3mm?

6mm, although much like warhammer, its "heroic" 6mm.

So closer to 8mm.

I dont know where the warhammer'esque models are from sorry
But trollsunderthebridge cz makes leman russes, also check out vanguard minatures

No I meant forumware stuff that actually looks like tiny warhammer models

WW1, 2, Cold War, 15mm Tanks for Superheavies it's all good.

Heroic just means the weapons, heads, and hands are exaggerated; the models themselves are 6mm in scale and would look small next to 8mm models.

no one mentioning the Titan game under development?

I am interested in buying 2 small forces of epic. I really like those space marine tanks. I have a bunch of grogs from the wargaming club who have tons upon tons of epic figures. One guy has a bunch of those castle tower Titans (emperor class?) so I am sure I can get a game in if I hype them up enough.

any recasters out there who can help me out? I am thinking a sm versus eldar would be fun, but classic CSM is also nice and would go along my BFG fleets. my email: [email protected]

>Horus Heresy
>Imperial Only

Pass

AT is strictly only going to be Titans and Knights. Plus the rules will be completely different than NetEpic: Armageddon or NetEpic. I'm reserving any major hype until FW starts previewing rules other than running the occasional 28mm game at Warhammer Events.

Granted, I play Epic30k in the meantime so not like I mind waiting.

I've been able to get 4-5 guys interested in Epic30k in my area, but it's only because I have access to the forumware caster.

DESU it wasn't really hard to get his contact info. However, due to cunts leaking his info, he's definitely had to cull his contacts list. So good luck trying to get his info now. He doesn't accept random referrals off the internet anymore, so unless you know someone personally who is willing to vouch for you, you're not going to be able to contact him.

The best companies for alternative Epic minis are:

Onslaught Miniatures: onslaughtmini.com/

Vanguard Miniatures: vanguardminiatures.co.uk

Trolls Under The Bridge: ebay.com/itm/112493954123

What's a good price for a Capitolis Imperialis and Hellbore, both originals not recasts, complete, intact, only undercoated?

If and when they do EPIC again I will be interested, but I don't really care about Titan-only fights.

Specialist Design Studio has already said they're not interested in doing an Epic-like game. They might do a standalone games like a tank only Tallarn game but they'll never do a comprehensive Epic game.

Which is fine with me, NE:A is a perfectly fine rules system.

Here are some of my Iron Hands for Epic30k painted up. Working on 4 different armies for my group to use to get them onboard: Iron Hands, Mechanicum, Titan Legions, Imperial Militia.

>Specialist Design Studio has already said they're not interested in doing an Epic-like game

I expected as much, hence the If. Titans only is something that won't require much in the way of resources yet they could get years of expansions out of it simply releasing extra titans.

And GW does love it's big models in recent years given how profitable they are, so from a business standpoint it makes too much sense to not bother with trying to make and sell whole armies.

where dd you get the mins?

Private caster. He doesn't accept random referrals anymore.

They've still futureproofed it though, as seen by the fact 8mm was justified as the smallest scale they could still see power armor marks at. Based on how they treated Blood Bowl, I expect them to add onto the game precisely as much as profits allow and not one kit more. I do agree with both you and them that it won't reach the scope in models and playerbase that Epic had.

Excellent stuff mate.

Here's a great article on how to utilize the Engage order:

drive.google.com/open?id=0BxSZSQo311ksaDJEb2dIUXcwQnc

Thanks! Almost done painting my 4000 points Iron Hands Legion force. Just need to finish up another unit of Gorgon Terminators and some Xiphons and it's on two my Mechanicum.

It does not get more detailed than this.

It took me a number of games to get that engagements were the key.

Any new or even existing players should read this.

There's always Shapeways if you can handle the expense.

How do I get some friends into the game anons? They all showed interest at the 30k Forumware stuff, but it seems like that is getting harder and harder to find. Should I get a couple small demo armies from Vanguard miniatures(Like orks + guard) and go on from there?

Pic related what I am always on the search for but will never find

Build two armies for yourself, Vanguard probably make the best looking stuff next to the superior Forumware, and demo the game for them. If they're not willing to deal with the playtest status of the HH supplement, then go with regular Epic 40k armies.

Current WIPs.

Will do user. Also is the best way to get a recasters email to post on tactical command a lot? Seems like people keep giving out that advice.

Pic related: what I am tempted to make my guard infantry

Yeah, without forumware your best bets are Imperial Guard and Orks. Vanguard's not-marines are pretty complete, but I get that not everyone likes the look. Then you've got partial model availability for Necrons (Trolls Under the Bridge - these are blatant ripoffs), Tau, Dark Eldar, Tyranids/Genestealer Cult, Sisters of Battle (Onslaught), Eldar, and Adeptus Mechanicus (Vanguard).

Shapeways does cover a lot of official GW designs, and a few metal recasts occasionally appear on eBay.

Vanguard's starting to do Chaos marines and guard. I think there should be fewer objections to using their corrupted marines as CSM because the aesthetic's always been a little more freeform. For the same reason, using Onslaught's corrupted sisters for an Emperor's Children army works reasonably well despite the boobies.

Yeah, start a thread in the 6mm forum and post pics. They'll know you're actually into the game.

Well I would've suggest that a few months ago, but some cunt ratted out the primary caster so he's not taking any referrals anymore. There is one US-based recaster that might still be taking referrals, but haven't heard from him a while.

It really does seem like the recasters are drying up, wish even just a year ago I had started searching, it almost sounds like i'm too late to the party.

Thank you user

Seriously would this be too much or could the rats work okay?

I'm sure no one would bat an eye if you used rats. Hell, I've seen people use Hordes' Legion of Everblight models as Tyranid Bio Titans.

The rats idea is awesome.

We're used to proxying anyway...

I've got those rats for a death korps army, they really are amazing sculpts. I used the non-armoured ones for regular grunts, and the PA ones for grenadiers. ALso use the PA ones as counts-as scouts for my Iron Warriors army I run using loyalist rules

Mind posting pics of yours kind user?

How about tabletop sim? Are there any 6mm models on Steam to use?

There are tons of models for 40k stuff, which you can just shrink down. Also there is this one, which is specifically for epic.

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=590767760&searchtext=

not painted yet (I got a sinful backlog). They look pretty much like the pictures on the store. Cast quality was a notch above most of these companies though (with everything I've gotten from them)

Good to know user, I just wanted to make sure they look nice in big swarms.

I wish Epic was more accessible. I have some Baran Siegemasters infantry, Thunderbolts and/or Marauders, Medusas, and Basilisks but that's about it. Nobody hooks you up with recasters like in 40k and HH and the ebay stuff is crazy expensive.

>Nobody hooks you up with recasters like in 40k and HH

Those casters are generally chinese and can be more open an belligerent with their offerings, that is not the case with the epic casters.

Idc if its just titans and knights, i just want titanicus out now

Look at Vanguards stuff, their vehicles are great unless you're a GW purist.

Honestly, Vanguard is worth checking out

They seem like the best option if you want a consistent source of miniatures.

Yeah. Eastern Europe must be a safe haven too - there are a few Russian vendors on eBay selling a small selection of forumware minis, and Trolls Under the Bridge (Central European but still former Eastern Bloc) is just resizing 28mm GW/FW models.

I don't even care about trying to get the recasters info, just sell me your stuff at a 15% markup

God bless those crazy slavs, although they've had to stop listing some of their vehicles apparently.

You can still get them off their ebay store.

this desu.

Back in the day I got suckered into Dystopian Wars and the only good thing that came out of that debacle was the Armored Clash ruleset. Unfortunately that's even more obscure/dead than the rest of the Spartan dreck but every time I see the army pictures of the 30k epic with the amazing tanks and the infantry all arrayed on their cute little bases I feel that itch again, only to remind myself that the forumware scene is harder than heck to get invited to and that I'll never be able to get those cute little tanks. The Death Korps and Iron Fists at the top of this thread are particularly itch causing.
Damn this cruel world.

Check out the non forumware links mentioned in this thread like Vanguard or Trolls under the bridge.

They may have some stuff that interests you.

>death korps

infantry is the easy part, if you can get some imperial guard tanks and/or a titan you should be set.

ebay.com/itm/112493954123

Trolls.cz has all the infantry you'll need

Vanguard sells Deathriders and infantry

with trolls having the tanks as well that's pretty tempting.
Unfortunately the vanguard not-30k tanks don't do as much for me as the 'legit' ones but wait and see, maybe they'll grow on me
Thanks!

Damn, how many leman russes are usual for a 3000 point list?

Which list are you planning on using?

youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY3lobDH7I&ab_channel=henafoo

This is 3000 points, check out the guard list if you want an idea.

now that I know I can get leman russes for about $5 a pop, I'm considering my options

Just some silly test fitting from a while back.

Now, you've got to put the turrets on the plane.

Only then will you become a true ork mek.

I'm glad the original caster does his stuff in metal. I'd be too worried about resin snapping, especially on those thin barrels.

I also have the various vehicles in resin and they are not at all fragile, I also worried about the barrels but that has not been an issue.

I think the resin being used is better than forgeworld.

What flyer is that?

Is it unreasonable to not want to play against people using third party armies? Proxying feels disrespectful to me.

It isn't difficult to get recaster info if you're committed, and if you won't make the effort why should I play you?

The forumware people haven't "dried up", you just aren't making the grade for referrals.

looks like an AI bommer

You sound like a cunt desu.

Yeah it's unreasonable

No it is not unreasonable and you are right about the forumware.

I have forumware and I think you're one of the reasons why some people get upset enough at the whole secret club thing to want to report everybody to GW.

Okay seriously sell me your stuff

Yeah, it's unreasonable, and you're a dick. You're discriminating against people who are buying in-production models for an unsupported game.

When the originals aren't for sale and there are 3rd party minis designed to the same general aesthetic, yes, it's unreasonable. This is also a game that sold best in its earlier iterations, so there are more crappy early-'90s models than the more detailed late-'90s versions.

I'm personally not a fan of using models like these as Leman Russes (they're from Exodus Wars) because they don't look remotely similar. But it was common when there weren't other options. That's just the way it was.

I have been absolutely desperate to get in contact with the recaster who does the Horus Heresy crap and Forgeworld stuff. I.E. the miniatures featured in the first few pictures in this thread.

I really want to do an Epic army, but the old models look like trash. I've had good dealings with based chinaman in the past, if that counts for anything. If someone replies to this and needs my email that'd be dope

Ignore the cunt above trying to be an elitist. It's going to be tough getting forumware stuff from the original caster because he had to cull his client list after some FW fanboi ratted him out.

Give it a few months and he might be inclined to take new customers. In the meantime, pick an army that can use decent proxies if you're against playing with non-GW looking models. I.e. IG/Imperial Militia armies using Trolls.cz or Vanguards infantry. The Skinnerz line from Vanguard works excellently for Orks too.

The models are nice, but aren't necessary to learn the game and to get friends interested.

I have 4 forumware armies and if I ever met a cunt like you I wouldn't play you in a heartbeat.

Depends on the models. For example I would have no problem with stuff like these, but playing against proxies doesn't even resemble what they are supposed to be is annoying and lame.

>some people get upset enough at the whole secret club thing to want to report everybody to GW.

Those people are way worse.