In a fantasy setting, what are some races that would serve as an interesting long term ally for humans rather then the standard Dwarf, Elf combo?
I was trying to figure out a way to work harpies in as a somewhat normal ally for the humans, but the only way I managed to push em in was by dumbing em down to an almost animal level and having them serve as scouts and messengers to what are basically falconers
So if you do know of some races that could, it'd be nice to see how they'd work with humans in the case of being allies or long time racial "friends"
It could simply be that harpies trade their mobility for roosting in human's towers and even homes for the winter. Harpies could be nomadic flocks that have traditional alliances and grudges with various human factions. Controlling or eradicating groups of them would be critical for wars, and they could be dwindling in numbers but too far removed from their old ways to stop relying on humans.
Parker Murphy
Yo I wanna fuck that bird.
Jackson Butler
Never actually thought to make them nomadic, though I guess the whole flying south for the winter thing can tie into that pretty well
I can imagine the humans trying to build better harpy accommodations in an attempt to woo them to their side, a sort of ally cold war between the northern n southern kingdoms
Benjamin Brown
Ratmen who burrow out vast shadow-cities directly underneath human cities of any size. All the human waste and garbage drains down great channels where the ratfolk use it as fertilizer for the fungus from which they make their bread-like staple food. Human cities are consequently the cleanest and healthiest of any surface dwellers, and they house really huge populations.
Christian Thompson
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Jackson Fisher
If you go the fairy tale that happened way in the past route, you can contrive a reason for any two races to be long-term allies
>Prince/princess from [Race A] is stranded in [hostile environment] >Is saved by member of [Race B] >Vows never to forget what [Race B] had done for them >Time passes >Prince/princess finds out that [Race B] is going through [crippling problem or natural disaster] >Uses his/her kingdom's resources to save [Race B] from certain doom >[Race A] and [Race B] were friends ever since
Bonus points for the two races intermarrying between noble houses, and especially for the prince/princess marrying the one that saved them when they were young.
Jonathan Edwards
A super-pious human nation might be able to work directly and regularly with the choirs of angels. Same with a super-unholy/occult bunch and the legions of Hell.
Oliver Richardson
pottery
Joshua Barnes
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Gavin Cooper
So wait, that makes it sound like the rats are living there without the humans knowing, and having them live in the trash heap dont seem to allyish either
Carson Harris
>I was trying to figure out a way to work harpies Do yo have a harpy fetish?
Parker Bailey
I like em, but not enough to get lewd with em
Chase Howard
>Goblins BDO had them serve as a sort of slave/work race that was given protection and homestead in return for basically serving the kingdom. Probably a lot better to work for humans instead of orcs anyway.
Jace Gray
Giant channels leading down into the earth don't appear overnight and if they did people would probably look into where they came from before throwing all their trash and shit in.
I'm thinking the two empires do a great deal of trade. Humans sending down spices, more luxury types foods, cotton and eool, etc. Agricultural products you need sunlight to make, basically. The rats send back ores they've mined and strange semi-magical contraptions they've invented.
The rats need all the run off from cities to tend their little fungus gardens and were used to having to sneak and hide around surface dwellers. Elves murdered them for being disgusting little abominations and the dwaves wanted the surface and underground both.
They were thrilled when they met Humans who were willing to have them around. When the first diplomatic party to openly approach a human town asked what they wanted in exchange for being allowed to live below and have the humans toss their garbage down, the local lord joking replied that it would only be ok if they took the sewage too. Humans have had a reputation for absurd generosity ever since.
Liam Reed
>When the rats actually want your trash and sewage
That pretty hilarious and weirdly cute in a way
Luke Brooks
Harpies dont have to be dumb to be allies, in fact the smarter the better.
Harpies can fly. That alone gives them an advantage that humans would benefit greatly from their help.
Humans have hands. We can make things harpies cant.
The harpies that trade their services to humans will end up with clothing, trinkets, weapons and armor that other harpies wont have. In return, they act as messengers, scouts, hunters, and explorers. Perhaps even merchants. A flock of harpies might not carry as much as a wagon train, but they can cross the distance faster and easier than by land.
And nothing prevents a harpy from following a wagon or ship if they want to, so they have the best of both worlds there.
Charles Mitchell
Rather than harpies, gargoyles might make more sense? they roost among the roofs and stonework of human cities, acting as security in return for food from homeowners. Of course it does force the humans into a certain gothic aesthetic, so the gargoyles can hide successfully..
Logan Foster
>Confusing Ajattara with harpies
Oliver Diaz
Never heard of it before, the pic is a storm harpy from Ronja, the Robber's Daughter
I always saw gargoyles as more of a construct of magic then an actual living creature/race
Jeremiah Clark
A setting I'm working on has the "modern goblin" as a result of other humanoid races taking savage goblin kids and raising them into servents, these pet goblins slowly gained more respect over the years, benafitting from better hygiene, Diets, and education, meanwhile wild goblins consider these uran gobbos to be weaklings and race traitors
Nathan Richardson
Depends; do they have to be "traditional" fantasy races, or can we get off the beaten track?
For example, Mystara had an empire ruled by Aranea, which are superhumanly intelligent talking giant spiders with an innate affinity for wizardry. The aranea used their magic to help and protect the less generlly-magical humans, and in return humans gave them domesticated livestock and took care of all the things that a bunch of spider-wizards weren't physically adept at doing.
Henry Flores
The D&D versions at least are alive, not constructs, besides magical creatures still need to eat (sometimes). They're basically ambush predators, they disguise themselves as statues in order to pounce on prey. The discworld version of gargoyles acted to control the pidgeon population. Maybe they could go with a version that eat rocks, and were conjured up long ago, perhaps by a now fallen magocracy.
Dylan Butler
>vildvittror >harpies
Jacob Powell
that's a harpy dude
Bentley Watson
>Pixies Humans are bigger than anything that might eat them, and always have jobs that can be done easier by tiny people with wings.
Thomas Sanders
Entire races universally being friends with entire other races is silly. At best you have a King who is pals with another King for whatever reason, so you see mixed armies more often, which naturally leads to the respect people typically gain for their companions in a fight, but they always could have who knows what kind of problems of their own popping up on their borders due to cultural or resource issues.
I don't really see how it's hard justifying scattered friendships between any two intelligent, social creatures, even if ones a "monster" that lacks written language or culture and an unsophisticated form of vocal communication. Just have a hunter find a harpy in one of their traps, feels pity for an intelligent creature and ignores the village superstition that harpies are murderous monsters, sets it free, Harpy and Hunter seeing more of each other cause their hunting grounds overlap, eventually it just clicks they could work together for more food, after some initial resistance for the sake of tradition the village picks up on the practice. Village becomes being famous for their Harpy companions, local Lord decides he wants some of that hunting prowess in his ranks during war time, exposing other people to the fact people and harpies can work together in many ways, a few other villages pick up Harpy relations, some are to stuck in their ways to trust each other.
Xavier Allen
So, folkloric hobgoblins?
Jason Peterson
>and if they did people would probably look into where they came from before throwing all their trash and shit in.
Toppest kek.
Eh, they're basically in control of the raw materials used in the paper industry, manure production, tanning and have their paws on bleaching, which is an essential step in producing high-quality fabric.
They also getting pretty good quality animal feed for free, meaning they can raise pigs, fish, crabs or whatever other animal they got that won't mind a diet of household trash.
It's not the most honourable occupation, but it's a useful and profitable one.
Charles Scott
Whats the difference between pixies and fairies in this case? Or are the names interchangeable
Centaurs could be one but more in the terms of pechenegs or other turkic hordes, meaning not really allies but helps you if you pay them, you know just mercs and situational allies to protect themselves from more dangerous foes.
Charles Diaz
All of those faces are priceless, also source?
Joseph Green
Latest Dungeon Meshi
David Williams
I always figured centaurs would make good merchants or caravaners considering they're their own transport
Jace Fisher
Pretty much any species that lacks the hands to craft human luxuries but posses intelligence and some sort of skills that humans could benefit from .
Nathan Clark
One is a little flying person and the other is the reason you hang horseshoes above the door.
Colton Williams
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Landon Lewis
Depending on the setting the last thing you want to hear is "Daddy, the faeries said I can play hide and seek with them yesterday!"
Owen Russell
How about a human/giant spider alliance?
Juan Russell
Chupacabras as housepets. Males are quadrupeds, females are bipedal with wings.
Hudson Collins
Giants are the decadent, fallen big brothers of mankind.
Caleb Foster
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Oliver Edwards
I can imagine a harpy merchant who owns several trucks and will occasionally fly to the city they want to do trade in to let them know they are coming. Then they fly around and check on the status of their trucks and have custom perches for them to sit on so they can chill on the trucks for a bit
Obviously I'm more for modern-esque type settings so the trucks I imagine are more like Model Ts sorta.
Eli Flores
>Centaurs were known for being legends or rape
Hmmmm...Really makes me think.
Camden Robinson
Holy shit, lol. I've never seen that painting before, and it's great.
Elijah Cruz
Why are harpies so smug, lads?
Grayson Roberts
Dunno man.
Jose Wright
Because they thought they were getting a free meal until Farlyne got merc'd.
That said, seeing dog bro go full snarl is always a pleasure to see
Hudson Sanders
They all suffer from resting smug face
Owen Mitchell
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Camden Hill
I like to imagine them as mongol/turks literal horse peoples. It just fits in so well.
Julian Cox
W-What did he mean by this?
Blake Gomez
Exactly the way it sounded. Kubrow did the party a favor by sliting her throat like the monster she is.
Dylan Flores
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Henry Myers
I kinda want context
Jaxson Fisher
Dog people.
Jose Jackson
>what are some races that would serve as an interesting long term ally for humans rather then the standard Dwarf, Elf combo?
I feel like Centaur would be the obvious choice, I'm surprised it isn't even the first response.
And I don't mean in an ironic, "lel rape" sense, but in an actual, "We would probably have a lot in common with Centaurs, more so than Dwarves or Elves and our relationship with them in a fantasy setting would most likely be very personal and complicated."
If anything, I find it confusing why Centaurs are always paired up with ELVES or living in WOODS, Horses don't live in the damn WOODS.
Lucas Moore
>If anything, I find it confusing why Centaurs are always paired up with ELVES or living in WOODS, Horses don't live in the damn WOODS. Most RPG writers have never interacted with horses, or most other animals, so they tend to believe that "humans live in plains, all other animals live in forests".
Brayden Hernandez
Very small dragons.
Zachary Morris
Arent Japanese Kobolds basically dogs?
Brayden Scott
In my setting humanitys main mortal ally are a bunch of fly like thri-kreen almost the other side of the country. They are pretty buddy buddy even though theor differences thanks to being spawn of the same primordial gods who are being heavily suppressed by the other races and their one true god beleif.
They're pretty brutal together and got both fate and a demi-god avatar of the gods with them.
Logan Baker
Centaurs get along with both humans and elves in Dragonlance, and share cities with humans and elves. The ones hanging out with elves don't make sense because the whole, you know, horses in the woods thing, but at least they like humans too.
Only weird part is that Dragonlance Centaurs of both genders like to flirt with humans.
Justin Johnson
Yes and for europe they're rats and america they are small dragons.
Asher Hill
So a bunch of flys are of the same creation as humans?
David Gonzalez
>Only weird part is that Dragonlance Centaurs of both genders like to flirt with humans.
That doesn't sound too weird, what makes you say that? Horses are pretty sexually aggressive and so are Humans.
MALE stablehands get sexually assaulted by female horses all the time- I can only imagine Centaurs would be downright flirty and dirty given their unique chimeric combination of sexually charged species.
John Wright
In my setting humans and Goblins are closest allies. This goes so far that, despite unions between the races are infertile there is no difference in a social point of view between the races. The live in the same settlements, visit the same schools, celebrate the same holidays and die sude by side in the same battles.
The reason being both races are completely incapable of magic or miracles. Elves see them as primitive savages and Dwarfs as godless misfits, while the other fantasy races at best view them as pitiful.
Matthew Williams
Yes, pretty much. most races actually are, but these are eldritch horror kinda primordials. They kinda do things real weird. One moment they create ogres made out of randomly placed and sized body parts and the other they create cats.
Also yes I am hiding my magical realm behind it but hush hush
Mason Parker
>MALE stablehands get sexually assaulted by female horses all the time Never heard of it going that way.
And I meant weird more in the sense of 'gross'.
Gavin Williams
One of the few instances of mythology where nobody was copying notes off of each other.
Justin Sullivan
The heck is going on in this pic?
Gavin Richardson
Around foxes, lock your boxes.
Brayden Wright
>MALE stablehands get sexually assaulted by female horses all the time "Sexually assaulted" isn't really the right term. When a horse gets in heat they like to bump their nethers against pretty much anything, most female mammals in similar situations do. It's just that when dealing with a large animal that typically gets more freedom of movement in their stalls and that you're often dealing with specifically for the purpose of breeding, since thats where all the cash with a horse comes from, the experience of being that thing the mare happens to be bumping into happens a lot more often.
Leo Myers
Wrong thread bud.
Matthew Cooper
>listed in the credits as "harpy"
Jaxson Morris
Mystara was fun and weird.
Mason Brown
>That bone cracking sound they make as they move
Why did this give me an erection?
Elijah Anderson
It was, and we need a 5e update of it, if only because the gonzo races it offers would be a breath of fresh air for those of us who like to make our settings from scratch.
Adrian Peterson
How about lizardbros? Perhaps nomadic lizardmen who live in the steppes and are relied upon as merchants between two distant but wealthy empires and act as sellswords when the need arises. Though that might be more fitting for centaurs.
Eli Sanchez
What is the context of that scene. I'm not sure whether to have Post Traumatic Shindol Syndrome or be aroused.
Alexander Cox
The Harpy one or the Maleficent one?
Chase Jones
>human kingdom borders a dense swamp >lizardbros agree to monitor and defend swamp from invaders in exchange for human made goods >humans like to hire lizard mercs for various reasons because lizards make other people scared
Carter Bennett
>Boy has snake girl fetish >Guy gets app that lets him turn girls into monstergirls >He thinks it's just a picture thing but it actually works >Turns girl that has a crush on him into snek girl >They fuck >Turns her back but with future option to do it snake style later
As far as porn plots go there's worse. It's done pretty cutely at least. It's called "monster girl transformation go"
Carter James
People think of lizards as being too alien in behavior.
James Martin
The maleficent one. Maleficent in general is boner inducing but that gif makes me uneasy
Alexander Bell
I think it's just a scene were she giving exposition to her minions and then something happens due to their idiocy that causes all her little goblins start beating the crap out of each other. Which she finds amusing.
Mason Perry
Really, I figured it would be a Touhou doujin.
Elijah Walker
>what are some races that would serve as an interesting long term ally for humans
Dogs.
Nolan Richardson
Okay, thank you for allaying my fears. My mind is tainted to the point where I only see the worst and for whatever reason the first thing that came to my mind was the goblins tearing the princess to shreds and I was horrified and disgusted.
Grayson Davis
And effectively broke Laitus. The psycho just lost the only reason for him to act even remotely sane. Everyone there is about to die, plus I don't think dark elf DM is going to let her boss monster go down that easily after rezzing it.
Jace Rogers
Then if Laius is going to turn into Jason Voorhes then he should (rightfully) direct it at the Dark Elf GM who did that to Farlyne
Lucas Price
Well, I mean that just sort of comes from people making something based off foreign (Swedish) source material.
Cameron Wood
>bird lady >more different bird lady I see your point, though.
Dominic Morris
Dwarves and ratmen. The ratmen lived in ancient mines first dug out by the dwarves, and when the dwarves discovered their presence, instead of extermination, they made the ratmen pay rent in servitude. The ratmen, seeing the force of the Dwarven militias, became subservient to the dwarves. Some disaster happened, and the Dwarven king ruled that the ratmen receive equal citizenship. The dwarves now find friendship with ratmen, but secretly it's because they think that ratmen are hilarious as drinking buddies.
"Oy lads, look at him chug! The poor critter is chasing his tail now. Holy shit Jeffery you're smashed off your bonce"
Humans and Avians. The setting contains floating islands. Air elementals hunt Avians for sport, as the Avians lack the magical weapons to fight back. They flock to humans that can produce magical weapons for them, and enchant their talons. Humans require transport between islands
Sebastian Brooks
Different tribes of humans instead ally themselves with the air elementals, cause they are more powerful. They act as traps and game wardens for the elementals.
Dylan Flores
>traps I think you had a bit of a Freudian slip there
Nicholas Sanders
Why do so many smol races seem to like humans anyhow?
Anthony Wood
Big, strong and tough relatively Strong instincts to protect small and cute things