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>There's nothing scarier to them than a woman, a foreigner, a queer or a tranny. Well maybe responsibility, but that's it.

Sounds like 99% of men tbqh

Fuck Drumpf and fuck white people

Well this thread should get amusing fast...

As for the discussion about allowing Class C refits to a tournament event? Gods above never. Say, in a 16 person event with 8 tables going, if even a handful of people bring customized machines, I'd need to recreate each and every one in in SSW or MML to verify they're legal or even close to it - and if the machine spirit decides to be cantankerous that day...it gets even more time consuming. And heaven forbid if I find an illegal design and all the enjoyment that can bring depending on the player involved.

I honestly also have some mixed feelings towards using base BTech as a Tournament game - I can see Alpha Strike doing it well, but I haven't had much time in the past few years to dig into it very thoroughly.

National Education Association are nazis?!

This is why we need Urbies to clear out BLM and Antifa.

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Well, now that I think of it, that claim is credible. I mean, it would perfectly illuminate the reason why all these torch-bearing and toupee-wearing, dodge-driving degenerates can still exist in this country in this day and age.

i really like me some purple bird

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>a fucking nazi.

You have that backwards. It's:

>fucking a nazi

I'm pretty sure his wife is german.

Also,

That's probably the most objectively wrong thing I've ever seen here short of "CGL is doing a great job with the license". NEA's really clearly a moderate with a slight left leaning in social issues, but who don't pass any of the left's purity tests because he owns and teaches about guns and is ok with deploying the military to support national interests.

You aren't one of those idiots who thinks that nazis are leftists, right? Because that would make you a fucking idiot, user.

As a battletech veteran socialist, stop talking out your ass, This is a game, I've never seen much personal politics at my table, my BT group is mostly left-leaning, has been for decades,

Let's keep /pol/ bullshit on its containment board, /btg/ isn't the place for it

>As a battletech veteran socialist

Found the nazi.

So, since we're on the subject - summer's wearing late, autumn is on the march, and in just a month, we'll be arriving on the most important occasion of the year. Oktoberfest. OKTOBERFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

How does House Steiner celebrate this magnificient occasion? None of that feddie traitor pharaoh dogpiss mind you, only Lyran beverages.

Favorite purple bird mech from the 3050s or 3060s?

Lyran beverages like sake from New Kyoto?

A different guy, but Tarantula is swell. Creepy crawly.

I'm ok with this, actually. I want Nazis to die, and I want nea to die for spoiling Battletech for everyone else who reads about Cincy.

I thought you were in twelve-step and got over that shit

Can we have a happy thread!?
Happy ships, mechs and things!

Yep

Sounds good to me.

I liked the 2750 visuals for most of the SLDF ships better. Not a fan of the gay-ass paddle on the Aegis.

I'm not that guy. I've never met him in person at a con, I just don't think that setting a very high bar for what constitutes a "good" Battletech game is good for the health of the franchise.

>Battletech game gets pushed back a year more.

Welp.

How long has that game been in development for now? 3 years? Just how mismanaged is the project?

what happened?

"We need more time." ~ Basically.

I mean, I trust them but the writing is on the wall. The beta was supposed to go online a good while ago, then got pushed back like 2 months because they had to redo something from the ground up.
They promised MP quickly and that also fell flat as they got to a point where they had to re-do the networking of the game, also from scratch.

I give them the benefit of the doubt that the time is final but we're really looking at some major fuck-ups that would cost them the project if it wasn't a Kickstarter (and thus something they must deliver on or get branded as scammers and not see another cent again).

They have a legal fight that won't get solved until next year.

Wraith.

HG lawsuit is probably fucking their shit up since the lineup of 'Mechs now needs to be changed and they have no idea how to break it to the ultra-grogs who are a major demographic in their Kickstarter backing.

Demo, Battletech only has Marauder and Warhammer in it.
They are pretty light on Macross machines altogether.

The only mechs that are affected by the lawsuit and were "confirmed" for the game was the warhammer and marauder (neither of which are currently in the Beta), so i dont think its much of a problem.

HG filed suit over the Atlas and the Shadowhawk and other far reaching junk, and the court date isn't until September 2018. So nothing is getting solved until then.

Were you guys not in the thread when all this was found out last month?

To be fair, the Marauder was in the game as they merrily used them during the convention presentation.

Still, replacing 2 units does not constitute a setback of quarter of a year or more.
As I said, I'm much more suspect of their constant redoing of shit that should have been solid the first time 'round.

>HG filed suit over the Atlas and the Shadowhawk and other far reaching junk

HG sued the Battletech guy over using unseens which he made an agreement with them not to use.
The randomly thrown images were there simply because the game hasn't made any direct art of the "infringing" robots yet.

No they didn't. They sued the game companies and are trying to drag Jordan in for a decision that had nothing to do with him as he just licensed existing stuff from PGI. And they do directly claim those other things are infringing. Obviously, they intend at some point to ratchet it down to the actual unseen instead but that point is never going to get reached until it actually goes to court. So in the meantime, everything is in limbo.

Get your facts straight.

Where can I find rules on making and customizing omnimechs?

I was playing around with customizing the Perseus since I like the idea of an "Omni Orion" but I wasn't really in love with any of the variants.

The XL engine seemed too dangerous so I dropped it to a standard engine. This one has ferro-fibrous armor though I've considered also going with standard.

Yes, and they have to decide whether to actually go through with facing HG in court given they have a frankly shit defence with HG holding all the cards, or if they want to develop new art. Odds are good this case will be settled out of court, because HBS and PGI will get fucking *crushed* if they try it on.

None of this would be an issue if it weren't for the decision not to make PP a full retcon, but for the era the game is set in the Unseen canonically use the Unseen appearances, or the MWO/Nuseen appearances that are getting retconned in, and the grogs expect those because that is what has been marketed.

Weisman was involved with the creation of MWO (which uses art that is VERY similar to the RT/Macross art and which I suspect will be found to be infringing in court, or agreed to be so in settlement). He knew he wasn't supposed to be involved in anything like that, and that nobody involved in handling BT IP was meant to either. This is HG's trump card and is why I expect HBS/PGI to be so screwed. He was there at the inception of MW5/3015 with Smith and Tinker and that morphed into MWO, and he's the head of HBS which turned around and licensed potentially infringing images from PGI. He's in it up to his eyebrows, he's not some random HG have targeted out of the blue.

>Where can I find rules on making and customizing omnimechs?

Tech Manual.

The changes you've made here are too extreme for he design to be an Omni config. You can't change the engine type or armour like that. It needs to either be a variant of the Orion or a new Omni entirely really.

As for the machine itself, not great. The firepower is light, it's over-sinked, and it has too much S-SRM ammo. I'd rather use on ON2-M.

PGI is a totally separate company from any of Jordan's stuff. He was unable to secure funding for MW5 and so had to drop out of that. He didn't have anything to do with MWO or generating any of the "infringing" images.

>starts marketing and making MW5/3015
>drops out
>another company picks up the ball and begins using (potentially) infringing images
>starts making another computer game
>oh hey let's also use those (potentially) infringing images

HG's interest in the link between Jordan and MWO is mostly due to it going to a pattern of behaviour. The MW5 trailer used images that were deemed to be infringing and had to be pulled, then PGI used potentially infringing images, then HBS immediately jumped on those as well.

CGL's Newseen looked a lot more distinct than those of MWO to the Unseen, and even they folded by essentially admitting they had infringed. They didn't even file a defence, just took it on the chin and changed projects in the works.

What about as a Perseus 2.0?

I'm just using it as a basis for improvements on the original.

If I switch out the engine to a SFE and drop two sinks, it leaves 32 tons of pod space. Is that good enough for an IS omni?

Although now that you mention it, the ON2-M is a pretty solid piece to go with.

grand titan

thighking the great and danguard ass

>MW5 trailer used images that were deemed to be infringing and had to be pulled
>deemed

No. They were claimed to be infringing, the 3rd party place hosting was sent a C&D and that was the end of that. Nothing ever went on directly between the parties involved. It was the negative press that tanked the investor interest.

>even they folded by essentially admitting they had infringed. They didn't even file a defence, just took it on the chin and changed projects in the works.
They didn't admit anything. They just plain didn't show up, but have also claimed that they have some kind legal plan in the works. They're likely trying to see how the other cases are going to shake out and then file an appeal based on the result if it's favorable.

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Well, as a Perseus II, I think it would still be unspectacular primary model.

The Perse is notable for being a 4/6 75-tonner omnimech, which generally means good tonnage overall. However, you've managed to drive it to an even more critstarved state, something that will drive all potential loadouts to an even more clinched set of choices.

If anything, it would do well if it was created as a Dark Ages clantech sniper. It's the tech level the game is universally heading to, afterall.

... disconnect your keyboard and go to bed already, bro.

Battlebump

Spectacularly underwhelming aside from the Gauss, and a complete nightmare of critical slots. Though you have almost made a Night Gyr I use.

I'm ashamed to say I wouldn't use this Perseus.

This man needs a copy of TRO: Perseus and Perseus Accessories, stat!

my local bt group call each other pilots, the filthy clanners call each other warriors

>Can we have a happy thread!?
>Happy ships, mechs and things!

I can do sad. Is sad OK?

>Awesome doesn't feel so awesome inside.hpg

Is there a limit to how lyran you should be?

I just ran a scenario with the opfor being a completely incompetent social general (6/7 riding a Beemer) who kicked everything off by running a false flag op during the FCCW. He ran almost all Davion machines... in lyran regimental colors. The players loved it because they were able to completely out maneuver the enemy and smash them, and I loved it because I didn't have to worry about strategy besides "smash them with the heaviest mechs"

The final battle was the general in his Beemer, a Valk, an Osiris, and a Commando vs my players in heavies (and one sagittaire).

Lyrans are shit at strategy, not combat. Like take for example the famous Freesworder campaign in the 4th Succession War.

Guy in charge of the regiment is such a romantic that he carries the original broadsword symbol of his unit in the cockpit of his Atlas. His men are fanatically loyal and pretty damn good mechwarriors. But he winds up running recon patrol with his command lance of an Atlas, 2 Zeuses and a Thunderbolt because he's fucking bored with other people chasing Kuritans all over the place and wants some glory. Of course he gets ambushed like a retard, but the funny part is that his boys have so much armor and firepower compared to the Dracs that they actually weather it and crush the shitty light/med lance that jumped them. But that's 100% Lyran. Fucking up and hoping your armor and your guns carry you through.

The way Lyrans generally shoot themselves in the foot is doing things like moving their slow, heavily armed mechs out too far from an area to respond to something else or forcing their more mobile mechs to hold back to keep cohesion with the big boys.

If they can pin you on their terms, they'll generally fuck you. You're just supposed to be fucking up their supply dumps and stuff while they're barely making 2/3 or 3/5 to actually get to you.

I was the lyran. He was one of those nostalgic for the past guys who was given a company in a lyrans regiment because he was fanatically against all things Victor. He had no real experience in a mech or even in command which is why he was such a terrible pilot.

The scenario was basically 3 battles with the players doing a small amount of role play in between. Basically they played really smart and crushed his heavy Lance in the first battle, then destroyed a supply depot so that most of his assault lance was undergunned/armored.

The Perseus does have 7.5 tons more pod space but isn't the XL engine and unworthy trade off?

I was trying to go off the weapons I hear the best things said about. A gauss rifle for gausswall action, ER medium lasers because the ML is expressed as the most balanced weapon, SSRMs for crit-seaking, and LRMs for additional long range support. What went wrong?

please

ERMLs run too hot to effectively boat, SSRMs don't have alternate ammo, so they're not as good, even if you hit with the whole launcher. And That LRM-5 is piddly, LRM-15 4 lyfe.

>The Perseus does have 7.5 tons more pod space but isn't the XL engine and unworthy trade off?
It also has more crits than your variant, and the Perseus has terrible crits.

Awesome just needs A DAMN CHAINSAW AND JUMP JETS! ALSO NOW IT BREATHES FIRE!

So correct the weapons?

>It also has more crits than your variant, and the Perseus has terrible crits.
Sorry, to clarify I'm going off my post here: SFE and standard armor, no FF. Gives 32 tons of pod space and 37 crit spaces. Better than the Perseus's 31 with crits.

Right now I'm just interested in creating the best base Perseus possible with IS tech.

THOMAS HOGARTH!!!!

God damn I love that guy. Some people bitch about him being too cartoony but he was a breath of fresh air in the grim dolorous crap that was going on at the time.

Poor dude got a mere "light" mech Defiance, a fugly mech that look nothing like a Battlemaster that it supposed to be based on!

Haha yeah, that was my inspiration. Except my commander was completely incompetent and unlucky. He was pretty much given a suicide mission.

Defiance is based on the Whammy. The Warlord is based on the Bmer.

It still tickles me pink that Hogarth killed two fucking Celestial mechs with MD pilots in his old AS7-D. And he's all like "It was all skill, man."

Has anyone else tried to use the Artillery cannons in MekHQ/Megamek? I wanted to give my Assault lance a bit of cleanup ability against these piles of vehicles I keep running into, so I mounted one on my Cyclops, but for some reason the Sniper Cannon I mounted only seems to hit the units in the targeted hex, not the surrounding ones. As far as I can tell from TacOps, the same hex rule should only apply to aerospace. Am I missing something?

>I just don't think that having a FUCKING AWESOME group/campaign is good for the health of the franchise

Have you read his part in JHS:Terra? That'll give you a whole new perspective on the bumbling clod.

This. Anybody that actually plays knows that just getting a couple buddies together with some physical minis and some hard drinks is a good game of Battletech. Getting to watch Cincy crank it up to eleven is like watching some Guinness World record show. Just plain fun and you aren't sitting there going "Well gee, I could never cook a pizza three miles long. I'm so depressed." You're going. "FUCK YEAH, LOOK AT THAT!"

I need to get on that. I've not finished Terra or cover to cover-ed Final Reckoning. Last I was at was them cracking through the final lines of the Maginot Worlds.

But if I recall, that was the book where they made him do something horrible because they were pissed off that something they made as a passing joke in their srs bznss Jihad got way more popular than they expected or liked. Especially Herb hated him for some reason.

Hey, there, I was looking for Battletech software like Heavy Metal Maps. Does any of you have a link to it please?

Well I can think one reason, they actually gave him character by accident, older Battletech is full of such character that run by sheer lunacy.

Jihad is otherwise full of people like Stone, who I think has a personality of a brick and never quite figured why people followed him.

And also when your joke character gets more popular than the "main" hero Stone then you know you fucked up and that is why Herb disliked Hogarth.

The only times I saw anything negative about it was about the potentially infringing design of the Warhammer. And I can well understand why investors would shy away from the projects given how IP battles have gone before.

By not showing up, CGL accepted summary judgement in default, which means HG wins on all points. That they subsequently shitcanned a lot of Nuseen stuff (bugs, Phoeix Hawk, Warhammer mini, etc) to me speaks volumes about what they expect to happen and whether they intend to defend anything. In theory they could still reply to the suit. In practice they know they'll lose and/or can't even afford a lawyer.

I thought it was mostly Herb not liking so many memes in BT, and Hogarth started off as a bit of a riff on Hogan's Heroes any way. Then the memetic explosion happened and he was 100% full Steiner, son.

>never quite figured why people followed him
Because the PoW camp he busted out of was full of important people and people related to important people. He was their leader and those social connections got him lines to people in loads of high places around the sphere. The press then snagged upon him as a big story of fighting the good fight against the Blakists and gave him public support as well. Then the big boys saw him as an easy blank slate that they could build a Coalition around without dragging in a bunch of previous baggage. And the Nova Cats had a vision of him because why the fuck not.

Basically, Stone is a story that everybody agreed to tell each other to make a cooperative war against the Blakists work. He never had any charm or leadership, just a singleminded hatred of the Blakists and every institution of the Great Houses. And you see the results of that as soon as he's left to his own devices in 3082 and his first two proclamations are to melt down most of their Battlemechs and forcefully relocate massive swaths of the population.

What's really crazy is how many people he suckered in after the fact, the Knights and the Paladins and how after fifty years people really started to believe their own propagada about him.

I think they were kinda trying to go the Churchill angle with him of being a gruff hardass, but he had none of the eloquence or the charm.

Hey guys, haven't been around in a while. What's this about a lawsuit?

Well I should have added probably in my post as I don't jhave insight on what happened during Jihad, all I know is that most of Jihad characters are much more unlikable and lack of alot character previous era people had. Stone being the poster boy for the whole era and he is about as likable as a drywall.

Hell FCCW had it's problems but god damn it actually had characters that felt actual people

Look harder. It's here.
> I just don't think that setting a very high bar for what constitutes a "good" Battletech game is good for the health of the franchise.

Okay, we need to talk.
These men have the right of it. They aren't setting the standards for a "good" game, and no-one is saying they are. Knowing that someone out there IS doing a two-hundred-a-side orbital landing fight gives you hope for the game. They're pushing the limits of what the system and the playerbase are even capable of, and it's fucking awesome.

It's not like my local is trying to hit that threshold, and no-one reasonable expects to ever hit that point, but it DOES make the guys in my local group actually push some goddamned boundaries. We did a double Level III vs. battallion game last month and we're looking at getting some heavier shit together at BTpalooza in November. People are practicing and making teams of pilots who are getting used to working as a group instead of being twitchy self-interested assholes. We're crossing faction boundaries because people who >don't like factions< are getting asked to run them as OPFOR.. and discovering they like to play the bad guys sometimes.

How can that be a bad thing? In any way?
Well, other than for the aforementioned self-interested greasy assholes who refuse to put lead on the table. But fuck them. You aren't actual BattleTech players until you pick up some dice and go..

Stone is the DA posterboy, but his backstory was that he was the enigmatic hero of the Jihad. Enigmatic translates like shit in a current time setting, especially without any novels like we used to have to show us windows into the secret dealings of the Inner Sphere. Everybody hates Stone and the Stoners in the DA anyhow except the people who only read like ER:3145 and FM:3145 for their knowledge of the Dark Age, so they probably didn't even put that much effort into him.

Didn't the Lyrans and FedSuns also join up on the melting down the battlemechs Kumbayah. Which allways sounded crazy when you have Capellans going all Xin Sheng and Draconis Combine well being Draconis Combine. And Lyrans had the bloody Clans at their doorstep.

For what it's worth on the official forums it was stated that they have a lawyer. And HBS isn't gonna redo they're lineup whoever keeps saying that is either trolling or fucking retarded.

I think that one is someone who has some hate towards Weisman, atleast the posts he puts up are allways ranting about Weisman.

I keep forgetting that Dark Ages came before Jihad in real life and they had iron out why things are the way they are in DA. Still think they did halfassed characterations of everyone involved in Jihad compared to other eras.

The Dracs actually did it too. And the Dracs shared a lot of stuff like new Spiders and Panthers with the Stoners. The Suns and the Snakes were the two biggest butt buddies of Stone behind the Bears. Lyrans actually didn't have a great relation with the Stoners, just like their relations with the Fedsuns are cold and vaguely enmitic by the DA.

Mariks and Caps of course hated the Stoners. Caps fought them for thirty years straight, and the Pidgeons would have probably too if they could have got their shit together before the 3140's. Marik took a massive hit from the Republic taking about half of their good manufacturing, including 2/3 of their Battlemech manufacturing supercomplexes. They had small forces from just not being able to make much and constantly skirmishing with their neighbors.

>For what it's worth on the official forums it was stated that they have a lawyer.

They may have had legal advice but they haven't got legal counsel for the case. According to the court documents they accepted summary judgement in default and didn't file a defence.

HBS and PGI have retained counsel and filed a defence.

For a matter like this, legal is going to be an issue. Resources and time they were going to spend on the game have to be spent elsewhere for a start. It also makes for a handy excuse since it seems to me that HBS have bitten off more than they can chew with the BT game, but there is a legit reason there too.

Could be worse, could be Dracs. Most warlike and bloodthirsty House with a penchant for deposing or disobeying anyone who suggests solutions other than indiscriminate violence at all times for all responses suddenly gets on board with military downsizing, because ???

>because ???

Because "Notice me, Victor sempai!"

Hohiro should have gotten the old Canopian switcheroo and taken his sister's place. Everybody would have had a happier ending.

That would have triggered a succession crisis if not civil war. The last remaining heir to Theo would have been Minoru, and he was a Nova Cat bondsman.

Plus aside from Uncle Chandy all the other named Kuritas we know about from the era were retards or didn't want any more power.

Meh, you could have stuck Constance on the throne. At least she's legit. The real Dracs are down to using bastards by the DA.

Talking about bastard Kuritans. Kitsune Kurita is probably the funniest one, as it fucked over Black Dragon Society for once, instead of them fucking everything at Draconis Combine.