IMPORTANT QUESTIONS!

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS!
Can Tyranids eat daemons?
Can Daemons harvest warp energy from Tyranids?

If Chaos cannot survive if nids conquer the galaxy, and the Tyranids cannot draw sustenance from Daemons (since they aren't technically physical matter) shouldn't the ruinous powers be actively trying to exterminate the tyranid invasion? Seeing as if the nids win and leave the milky way they lose all their food.

Also is there any reliable way to eat tyranid? Considering how they must be made out of muscle fibers, which can be cooked. And it would be a waste of resources to try and make ALL of your innumerable footsoldiers toxic.

Now I know many people say that
>Hurr no one knows what tyranids are made of
But come on. With all of the successful campaigns against nids you cannot tell me no one picked one up and is like "I wonder what makes these things tick?" and cut it open on a butchers table

Humans are the Jeffery Dhamers of the animal kingdom. We make a habit out of cutting the faces off of our kills and wearing them as decorations, you cannot tell me no one thought to make a taxidermy ripper

>Implying the chaos gods give a flying fuck whether or not they survive

>Can Tyranids eat daemons?

No, Tyranids avoid eating any biomass tainted by Chaos.

Tyranids that tried to devour daemons ended up dead.

>Can Daemons harvest warp energy from Tyranids?

Tyranids slaughter can still please Khorne, other than that no.

>If Chaos cannot survive if nids conquer the galaxy,

Lets see....Tyranids want to eat all life in the galaxy. Chaos want to eat all life in the galaxy, well not just that all matter and time. So why would Chaos try to stop the Tyranids when they have the same goal? Not really. Tyranids are tools to forward Chaos's ultimate plan to consume all reality. At best Chaos would strike down the Tyranids whenever they get a way of their fun like what happened in Baal System when the Great Rift came to Baal and consumed the Tyranid fleet but harmed nothing else. Besides we already know that Chaos extends out of the galaxy and out this universe. What is one galaxy to them?

>Also is there any reliable way to eat tyranid?

-Necron Flayed Ones were spotted eating Tyranids that they killed
-Orks in DoW 2 comment that some species of Tyranids are really delicious
-Khornate daemonkin ravaged Tyranids and devoured their flesh

I guess they are edible.

>why would Chaos try to stop the Tyranids when they have the same goal?
Good question, I'll answer it by eating the same cupcake you wanted to eat.

And it was the ONLY cupcake

>I guess they are edible.
We sic Gordon Ramsay on them

Hold the fuck up
if there are multiple galaxies feeding Chaos, then is it possible for Tzeentch to warp in creatures from other galaxies?
Did he start the Tyranid invasion?

>Tyranids eating daemons
So far, this does not seem possible. Tyranids who eat daemons, die. Tyranids want to survive and spread so they avoid eating daemons -> little room for adaption (but they might adapt to better kill daemons).
HOWEVER, with expanded fluff and possible tyranid psykers (a connection to the warp), they might figure out some kind of trick eventually (a warp-consumption organ in all tyranids?)

>Tyranids feeding chaos gods
Tyranids could definitely develop to satisfy the chaos gods in the future.
>strive for the perfect being
>strive for survival
>strive for control over the entire universe
>strive for extermination of all foes / obstacles
As the tyranids are turning more... 'human'... in recent times (hive lord etc.) they might begin to feed the chaos gods, themselves.

This hormiguant is RAW!
Its so fucking raw that its still trying to eat the customers!
Fucking hell!
Fuck me!
WHERE IS THE RIPPER SAUCE?!

>As the tyranids are turning more... 'human'... in recent times (hive lord etc.) they might begin to feed the chaos gods, themselves.
Wouldn't that just be the icing on the fucking sadness cake for the Old Ones.
They created the Nids to preserve life seed vault style from the warp and the warp wound up using them as their own personal vegetable patch.

Ordo Xenos Inquisitor Ramsay sampling tyranid organisms to further aid the guard logistics in the field by making Tyranid flesh edible

Don't worry I'm sure the old ones can return to fix things.

"Billions of these fucking things live just outside the base and you feed us frozen?! Oh my god"

"Just a little bit of olive oil"

But tyranids dont have feelings,so if they destroy every living being in the galaxy there would be no feelings,so no chaos

> it's all according to plan

Nope, the destruction of galaxy won't make Chaos God away.

And the Tyranid Hivemind have displayed feelings like rage and pain.

>plot thread that makes chaos responsible for another major threat and further establishes them as the unbeatable, omnipotent faction that will win regardless of what anyone else does.

You will be contacted and hired by a GW representative shortly.

what's wrong with Chaos being omnipotent and destined to win?

Nothing. Anti-Chaosfags are the equivalent of atheists being butthurt at the things in the Bible about the End Times and junk.

Honestly the only way to beat "chaos" is to calm the more violent, self perpetuating entities of the warp.

The way you do this is by feeding them happy thoughts, or starving them. So in order to beat them you either need to kill off the majority of sentient species in the galaxy and cutting off the remainder's connection to the warp.

The gods would starve and be reduced to minor daemons clinging to any horrible thoughts they could

Or even better would be reverted to their original states of representing honor, love, hope, and life.

because of the way it's implemented. If we were losing to chaos BECAUSE it was omnipotent then it would be fine,

but no we lose to chaos because GW says we do. If it truly was we lost our battles because of an unending tide of daemons and traitors, and no matter what strategy and tactic we used, it would be nothing to the ruinious powers. THAT would be cool, that would be the point of GRIMDARK

but no we get the stupid GrimpDERP that is GW retconning, Just look at Failbaddon, each of his black crusades were failures.

but GW decided
>in actuality Failbaddon didn't fail, but actually secured his super secret objective for his larger plan
>just as planned

that is why chaos is retarded. and why only edgefags like chaos.

It kills the (little) chance of hope everyone else have to invest in the bloody setting.

40K was always a setting where everything is FUBAR and destined to go worse, BUT there was the different options and strenghts all factions possesed to if not win, at least survive the next millenium and Chaos was not the only threat, it was the biggest but even Tzeench did not knew where the hell the tyranids came from and Kairos' backstory implies that even the Gods were not this omnicient ancient evil, just reaaaaaalllly powerful and Emps lost his chance to permakill them in the Horus Heresy.

But nooooooo, now since a decade Chaos is this group of one-dimensional manchilds granted the mantle of godhood who always existed and will always win no matter wot everyfing else happens and they grant power to mortals who are also petty assholes. Which would not be so bad if it was well writen and most of the chaosfags weren't such smug little shits about it and calling everyone else NPC races despite in old fluff being just as dangerous to the galaxy as them and after the End Times of Fantasy it just got worse.

If you have be paying attention to the Konor Campaign, most xenos players went against Chaos not because they like Guilliman, but instead as a middle finger to the chaosfags who shitpost "WEZ INVISIBLE AN SHIET' and their wannabe philosophy of "Chaos is da primordial truth" and if the cost is that the Ultrasmurfs will get extra wanking instead, so it be.

>each of his black crusades were failures.

Cite where in the fluff where it's said that Abaddon's Black Crusade were failures. If you can't, then you are a failure forever.

>it was the biggest but even Tzeench did not knew where the hell the tyranids came

Never stared in the lore ever.

>Kairos' backstory implies that even the Gods were not this omnicient ancient evil,

The Kairos backstory had Tzeentch holding all the threads of fate but because they were so mutable and branching, Tzeentch can not get a 100% reading of the future. And you bitch, where does it imply in Kairos story that Tzeentch ain't ancient?

>But nooooooo, now since a decade Chaos is this group of one-dimensional manchilds granted the mantle of godhood who always existed

From start to finish it's fabrication and pretending to know the lore. You can own this motherfucker by asking him for sources which he will never provide and the rest is just projecting and outright lies.

Anti-Chaosfags have the mentality of real life racists and bigots. They think that being ignorant shits will win them arguments.

it's ironic that Tyranid fans would bitch about retcons when they are responsible for the most hated and debated retcon in 40K history which is the 5th ed Necron retcon.

>Cite where in the fluff where it's said that Abaddon's Black Crusade were failures

Those you would call "successfull" can hardly even be considered big hit & run attacks by 40k standards

I don't see any sources. From what I read from older material it says that Black Crusade ranged from small raid like incursions into the Imperium to grand sector spanning campaigns like the Gothic War. Each were devastating and exhausting wars for the Imperium. Nothing about them being failures.

It took you nearly an hour just to give me a non-answer. I guess we know who the failure is.

Blame the faggots always bitching about "muh personality!"

This thread makes me curious - do the chaos gods exist or have any kind of power or influence outside the milky way? Do they know what the tyranids are? Where they're from?

The nids were always there. It's a Galaxy sized organism that sends it's tendrils via it's tongue for it's symbiotic parasites/assimilated species to 'feed' for it on planets. The Organism itself is attracted to galaxies it can reach this way that give off strong psychic signatures (Effectively large saturations of life to sustain the organism and the ecosystems inside of it that it can recycle to fuel itself)

And there just so happens to be a paragon of life super being broadcasting his brainwaves for all to see. giving off a massive signature.

E's fault, once again.

>do the chaos gods exist or have any kind of power or influence outside the milky way?
Nobody knows; some say yes, others no and a third group claims each galaxy not nommed by nids have their own version of the Warp.

>Do they know what the tyranids are?
Only that they are bad food.

>Where they're from?
Not in this galaxy.

found the chaosfag

>Just look at Failbaddon, each of his black crusades were failures.
Actually, no they weren't. *None* of the Black Crusades were assaults meant to destroy Cadiz, they were just meant to cause a big attack to act as a distraction, so that Abaddon and his Black Legion could go ahead and steal resources and weaponry. They were NWVER meant to be fully destructive assaults.

>What is one galaxy to them
Weren't they birthed by events in this galaxy? Isn't this sort of their home? Don't know about Tzeentch's origin, though.

>Can Tyranids eat daemons?
Not in the same sense they eat anything else. Daemons aren't physical matter, organic or otherwise. They're Warp energy given form.

>Can Daemons harvest warp energy from Tyranids?
Your question has a simple answer: Shadow in the Warp. That is the effect the Tyranids have on Warp energy; their hive mind is so simple, so strong-willed, and so focused, that it produces a force altogether unlike the emotions that fuel Chaos and antithetical to Warp energies as they know it.

>If Chaos cannot survive if nids conquer the galaxy, and the Tyranids cannot draw sustenance from Daemons (since they aren't technically physical matter) shouldn't the ruinous powers be actively trying to exterminate the tyranid invasion? Seeing as if the nids win and leave the milky way they lose all their food.
They probably are. In 40k the default assumption is that everything is actively fighting everything else. The problem is, again, the Shadow in the Warp; Chaos has enough problems interacting iwth realspace already, and the Tyranids only make it harder.

>Also is there any reliable way to eat tyranid?
There's not exactly a reliable way to do anything to tyranids. They're highly adaptable, and while one hive fleet will often resemble another for practical reasons (i.e. convergent evolution) that doesn't prevent them from differing wildly on a biological level.

>And it would be a waste of resources to try and make ALL of your innumerable footsoldiers toxic.
Unless you were, say, fighting a species of carnivores who might eat them. Or on a planet with tiny parasites in the atmosphere. It's not really that hard to make something toxic and inedible; honestly, it would be harder not to.

They are apparently acausal, which means that the standard laws of cause and effect don't apply to them. From the perspective of the Materium, they were born in the galaxy, but when you take things from a Warp perspective, they have always existed.

If i'm right Tzeentch gained sentience during the great times of political strife during the age of Terra(basically the modern day), this was the case though as said it's more complicated now.

>it's more complicated now.
I wouldn't exactly say "lol no causality" is more complicated. It's less understandable, true, but that doesn't mean there's something more to understand. Ideas like "they're so powerful that causality doesn't apply to them" aren't really all that profound, they're just nonsense and contradictions presented as profundity.

Causality mumbo-jumbo aside, do they not feel some sort of extra significance is owed to this galaxy? It seems like they spend an awful lot of time working on it, it's weird to think it wouldn't have some meaning to them.

>This thread makes me curious - do the chaos gods exist or have any kind of power or influence outside the milky way?
That's an interesting philosophical question. The answer really depends on what you consider "the Chaos Gods".

At the simplest level, the Chaos Gods are the most extreme end result of the Warp's nature. The thoughts and emotions of living beings are reflected in it, and will sometimes accumulate into conscious beings often called "Daemons". Eventually, there will be a large mass of thoughts that are all associated with a certain kind of emotional drive, such as "make war against my enemies" or "strive to take my obessions as far as they can go"; while they may be quite distinct in their original context, in the Warp they will be stripped down to their simple essence, and when enough of these thoughts amass together at once, they will form what seems to be a fully self-aware consciousness who draws power from those thoughts and all others like them. That is what the Chaos Gods are: our basest desires and compulsions, stripped down to their core nature and embodied in a massive, self-feeding storm of mystical power.

Here's the tricky part. When this happens in our galaxy, it results in the four Chaos Gods we know. Naturally, it could happen in other galaxies as well; if there are aliens over in the Magellanic Clouds, then it's not unlikely that they could have similar drives to obsession, perfection, and escalation. These emotions could also feed a Chaos God of desire; the question is, would that god be Slaanesh? They might be very similar, or even virtually identical, but they could also be considered two wholly separate beings.

>chaos gods are now on a universal scale and the big bad of 40k
>1 galaxy amongst untold billions thinks they can somehow do something about it (and the species in that galaxy aren't even remotely working together towards that goal)
>Its almost as if GW doesn't think its fluff through enough before writing it

The only reason they focus on is do the God-Emperor, who they consider their "Anathema". They probably wouldn't give a single fuck about the galaxy if it wasn't for him. Even then, it's likely they only attack the Imperium in the hopes of turning the Emperor into a new Chaos God.

No, Smurfs did by accident during HH when they triggered a beacon, and now the Nids are on their way towards the Astronomicon. They already ate twelve galaxies, Milky Way is just lucky number 13. If they do, then there won't be any humans left to feed the Warp. Or anything else living, anyway. Only Nids. Then they move on like before.

Which makes zero goddamn sense. It's retarded as hell that they've divorced chaos from human emotion entirely. This whole "timeless, eternal, extant with or without anything in the materium, and actually *totally aren't* threatened or interested in the Emperor" thing is a load of horseshit

Nurgle seems pretty bro,

Its iffy, up to the writer really, some say nids don't feed chaos at all, some say they do just not as much as most native races. Likewise some fluff states nids cant be harvested for biomass because they are energy warp stuff, other fluff says they can be. Its all over the place. 40k.

Chaos see nids as a wolf coming to eat its flock, and nids see chaos as a rival predator. They both want the other gone.

Its boring, having an entire galaxy full of a like a dozen different races with lots of background and lore. Then having 1 being all powerful, infinite, unstoppable, numberless and "will always win no matter what"

It kinda shits over the rest of the setting and makes it worse for it. Having them as the main villain is a bad thing, its just when they overshadow everything else to such an extreme and have all their weaknesses removed they become boring

No, it doesn't. Knowing that all might God exists and one day will start Judgement Day doesn't make world events and history boring to me.

What you are suffering from is an ego-trip. You self insert as the factions you play and want them to win because it strokes your ego.

>Also is there any reliable way to eat tyranid?
No, unless youre a Daemon that ignores the laws of physics.

>And it would be a waste of resources to try and make ALL of your innumerable footsoldiers toxic.
Quite the contrary, it's time-saving for them to make all the Tyranids vectors for Tyrannoformation.

Orks and Necrons have eaten Tyranids.

>chaosfag.
>accusing others of having too much ego.

Since when Necrons can eat again?

>Also is there any reliable way to eat tyranid? Considering how they must be made out of muscle fibers, which can be cooked. And it would be a waste of resources to try and make ALL of your innumerable footsoldiers toxic.
Not really no, some of the things like phage cells that make up their toxins that kill even space marines quickly also form part of the tyranids immune system. In short tyranids are poisonous.

If I remember correctly one of the Cain novels featured an Ordo Xenos inquisitor with a tyranid-leather armchair.

Necron Flayed Ones. Some of them have moving mouthparts. They chewed Nid meat lapped up the acidic blood.

No, they are not or else the Orks and Necrons who ate them would have died.

Flayed ones don't actually eat, they just go through the mechanical motions.
When did orks eat nids, pretty much everytime tyranid eating comes up Its to say you don't, because they're poison. Even kroot won't eat tyranid flesh.

>it would be a waste of resources to try and make ALL of your innumerable footsoldiers toxic
they aren't toxic, but full of highly dangerous micro-organisms

You could probably figure out a way to kill those off, but when even the kroot go "maybe we shouldn't eat this", it's probably smart not to try.

I don't think any amount of poison will kill a necron and the orks might just be immune because of the WAAAGH! field.

>Flayed ones don't actually eat, they just go through the mechanical motions.

Actually, the meat falls down into the inner parts of the Flayed Ones. Counts as eating since the Necron innards are literally caked with Tyranid gore.

>When did orks eat nids,

Dawn of War 2. Several Orks comment that Tyranids are delicious. Raveners make the Ork Commamdo smack his lips in delighted excitement.

>Even kroot won't eat tyranid flesh.

It's explained in the WD article about Kroot eating habits. They avoid eating Tyranids because it ends in them incorporating Tyranid genes, drives, and memories into their genetic make up which results in something similar to a genestealer infection. The Kroot become vulnerable to be controlled by the Hivemind.

Since when have little things like "certain death" gotten between an ork and a good time?

>oi, I herd mad doc grubbinstien quaffed unna dem spiky bugz
>'es a daft git, dat'l krump ya right proppa
>yeah, but he got ded speedy fur a bit afor 'is head went squish. Snagtoof 'ad ta run 'im down inna trukk
>pff, I'z fasta den zoggin' Snagtoof. E's a git.
>bet yah ten teef ya can't
>you'z muckin about
>no YOU'Z muckin about!
>ROIGHT, GIMME DAT BUG, I'LL STOMP YA HEADS IN

In one of the tyranid codex's there is an autopsy report of a hormagaunt

>Necron Flayed Ones were spotted eating Tyranids that they killed

Nani?

>Counts as eating since the Necron innards are literally caked with Tyranid gore.
Well no, there's no digestion or intake of any chemicals taking place. They just have mashed nid flesh rotting in their body cavities. Its not eating, thats kinda the point of it. They're so far gone mentally that they do shit like that.

What? What ego? I play chaos daemons and Death guard myself

I just prefer chaos when they are a big threat but have some actual weakness and aren't 100% guaranteed to win because GW loves sucking daemon cock. Its a far more interesting setting when every faction at least has a chance.

To be fair, human bodies are not totally evolved to process meat. Meat also rots inside the body cavities of humans.

Wot? Yes we are, our ancestors have consumed meat for 10s of millions of years.
We digest meat too quickly for it to start rotting. Our gut flora are more involved in breaking down plants than meat.

Codex: Tyranids 3rd edition (2001)
1/2

Gaunt dissection
2/2

No, demons arent organic.

A better question would be if demons can exist because of Tyranids ( the psychick power of the hivemind) or not

Tyranids are probably the Old Ones creation sent to pacify the galaxy they were exiled from.

After assimilation all nids would eventually die and the Old Ones can create new life again.

We don't need to shoehorn the Old Ones into every damn race, it's just as lazy as the chaos wank.

Nah, this the 13th galaxy tyranids have visited.
If that was true this galaxy would be the first.

Space marines eat tyranids all the time

>No, Smurfs did by accident during HH when they triggered a beacon, and now the Nids are on their way towards the Astronomicon.
>The Ultramarines doing anything bad, or on accident

>They already ate twelve galaxies, Milky Way is just lucky number 13.
Citation on that?

The Tyranid are the end

5e rulebook, in the tyranids fluff pages.
"The barren husks of a dozen galaxies lie in their wake."

C-C-Chaos isn't trying to eat anything you fat fucking Morty! Chaos wants to corrupt and taint the minds of sentient lifeforms to fuel it's own mana and soul! There is a big difference between literally consuming bio-mass and shitting out genestealer cultists versus just turning everyone into blithering alt-right and sjw freaks who wage perpetual warfare in the name of false gods!

Jesus Christ Morty y-you (belch) don't seem to get it that if Tyranid ate everything there'd be nothing left to give voice and sight to the warp and there'd be no Chaos at all! The only thing that would come from an eliminated Tyranid however is a much more vibrant universe full of life for Chaos to fuckup! That's what Chaos does Morty, they fuckup shit! But there has to be shit for Chaos TOO fuckup and Tyranid eats shit!

The Administratum needs to find a better source of paper.

Thank you user

>The Tyranid are fleeing from Rick Sanchez

Necrons are even worse than Tyranid Morty! They...they (belch) used to be cool and just soulless machines that kinda went around blowing up everybody's stuff and sleeping at the bottom of planets and Chaos was scared shitless over them.

Than it turns out they're an ancient civilization who got cucked so hard by Chaos they're still salty about it after all these eons so they just kinda troll everybody and talk about how they waz kaaaangz and sheeeiiittt with their ancient cyborg pharohs or whatever.

The Necrons Morty... they're just Eldar with more steps. And don't get me started on orks and how they're just space niggers with nothing better to do. We gotta get outta here Morty, there's so much heresy in this thread people are gonna start posting Slaanesh porn because neckbeards aren't creative enough to think of anything else involving a god associated with existential dread, ego death, and hedonism other than sex because they're fucking virgins Morty!

>XENOS
>NICE AND HOT

>The Necrons Morty... they're just Eldar with more steps.

Rick is the missing primarch that was intended to take over scientific research.
Big E never got around to finding him and instead of being instilled with a sense of Humanity's potential he only has disdain for those lesser than him

>Inquisitor Gordon Ramsay meets sisters of battle
BURNED! These xenos are BURNED! Ten thousand women and not one of you can cook! Fuck me!

>The entire tyranid invasion is just the tip of the tongue

GUYS!
I have an idea. So...we eat the tyranid...BEFORE they eat us!

>there isn't enough matter in the entire galaxy to make the number of bolt rounds required to kill all the tyranids
scary shit, yo

>Jesus Christ Morty y-you (belch) don't seem to get it that if Tyranid ate everything there'd be nothing left to give voice and sight to the warp and there'd be no Chaos at all!
Would that this were still canon, alas it is not.

Du'h greenest and meanest ork always finds a way hu'mie. Just go after their queen you git!

Destroy du'h queen and the rest will just kind of screech and die alone on Reddit.

>Inquisitor Gordon Ramsay runs into Ork 'Chefboss' Gorkdon Ramzay on a space hulk while hunting genestealers
>Two proceed to get into arguments over which part of a genestealer is best for eatin', and what's the best way to cook a xenos

When did it change. Pretty sure the chaos gods still feed on and are empowered by emotions in the newest fluff.

>Just go after their queen you git!
THE ENTIRE ORGANISM IS THE QUEEN

Rick and Morty is a shitty show and I resent you trying to meme false information.

>C-C-Chaos isn't trying to eat anything you fat fucking Morty! Chaos wants to corrupt and taint the minds of sentient lifeforms to fuel it's own mana and soul!

Chaos will stop at nothing until total annihilation of the galaxy is achieved. All life, space, and time will be consumed by Chaos.

This is way worse than the Tyranids who are only after biological material. After the Tyranids consume a galaxy, they leave behind the dead worlds and remnants of the worlds they are eaten. Abiotic life like the Necrons and Dracolith stated will exist after the Tyranid harvest.

In the case of Chaos breaking the barriers of reality, there will be nothing left. Chaos will dissolve everything.

So that brings up a question. Why are the Tyranids even in the setting? They are so redundant at this point. From their godlike Hivemind to their hordes of monstrosities. Everything they do, Chaos can do better and more besides.

It never changed. Since day one in "Realm of Chaos", Chaos's goal was to break through into reality and consume everything in it. The Chaos Gods are immortal in the Warp. Nothing can hurt them except other deities.

Yeah but you know people. Bandwagon whatever is popular.

If chaos is a universal solvent with a sense of purpose, it is seeking undisturbed equilibrium?

>The Chaos Gods are immortal in the Warp. Nothing can hurt them except other deities.
Let's be honest here:
If a deity in the Warp isn't named Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Gork, or Mork, that 'god' (Yes, even Emps) is most likely capable of being killed.

Or in the case of minor Chaos gods like Malal, they probably get pounded back into non-sentience by some of the stronger Warp gods after pissing them off (likely by the Big Four, Gork and Mork, or even Emps when he's not fighting a 4-on-1 battle with the main Ruinous powers)

>there isn't enough matter in the entire galaxy to make the number of bolt rounds required to kill all the tyranids

That's a pretty dark notion.

It's a good thing we brought flashlights!

Someone post the screencap

You reminded me of that scene of DoW 2 where Tarkus was worried that they may run out of ammo before killing all the tyranids and Thaddeus respond that is why he prefers the chainsword because it never runs out of ammo.