Starfinder General /sfg/

Fucked skill math.

Is it just me or is the pdf for the GM screen a rip-off at $13.99? I'd pay that for the physical one, though.

60%-70% seems fine to me
why is this bad?

Not everything has to be animu girls. If you're going to try and start every thread, why not try for a little more variety than yet another generic waifu with nothing else of interest? Get creative! Even anime can be more imaginative than this.

It's fucked skill math, but there's no effort for readability at all.

Echoing this question; I get that it probably is bad but at this point I don't know enough to see why.

no one wants to post in your shit thread with shit image OP. you are shitting up this general and ruining for people that actually care about talking about the game. i get that your probably just a weeabo transexual troll but seriously, fuck off. fuck off and stop doing this shit. its obnoxious.

go fag up the pathfinder thread if you cant control your niggerdom for longer than 5 seconds.

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Tell me about the Operative you're building, /sfg/.

I'd operate her if you know what I mean wink wink.

I wasn't saying it was bad. Just showing what it was, it looks to be on purpose. With an 18 primary and a skill bonus from operative/mystic/mechanic/technomancer you should be looking at 70% chance of success on a normal skill check, like bluff or intimidate, which is 15+CR*1.5

+ is if that stat gets the first personal improvement, - is if it gets the second

Why the fuck is Perception not a class skill for Soldiers?

Because.

They got rid of 2+Int skill ranks, they had to find some way to shaft the Fighter.

Same reason that mystic and technomancer spells lists share so many of the same spells and neither spell list has a well defined theme

so the skills seem completely 100% fine.
good.

Until you get to starship combat...

To let others scout for you

i would like to see a starship combat graph, actually. i bet it snot as bad as you homosexuals say it is.

Where even with the literal maximum skill bonus possible in the ruleset at level 20, you can't make the required check on a 20.

A system where the same action gets harder on the more advanced ship. Great idea.

Because there's a feat for that, so it's fine if the class for being good on the battlefield doesn't have a skill that's vital on the battlefield. Because they're also the class that gets lots of feats.

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It's possible to make an 84 dc check with max roles on an envoy... but yeah the 3*tier checks don't work for any normal expectations of success

I dont mind the idea of more advanced ships being a bit harder to run, but i wish it at least scaled evenly with skill ranks so you'd have the same chance as both you and your ship got better evenly over time, but you would feel an improvement as your ability scores increased and you picked up other bonuses to get a bit of an edge.

I know very little about the workings of the system so i get this is probably impossible to do practically tho.

Now the chances for an Envoy. The best class for skills, but not every skill can be boosted.
For comparison against an opponent with a master skill,19+1.5*CR, subtract 20% from your chance of success.

The star-ships 3*tier don't work as well
The 2* tier might be fine with the ships computer bonuses and stuff like that

Guys. Guys!
Campaign idea: Starship Ravenloft.

most feats are worthless, so you can spare a skill focus/synergy for perception.

P. 322, "Class features and items affect crew actions only if specifically noted in the class feature or item."

No one is competent in space. Not even the Operative. Not even the Envoy.

So because paizo are trash and expect you to spend a bunch of your feats just to attain basic competence at things that should be there from the start?

Also I haven't looked at the casters yet but are tgey really that much alike? Should have been polar opposites with "Mystic" and "Technomancer".

Class features are more important than spell lists
Also feat taxing does not really exist anymore, you can easily spend feats on stuff you want

Or stuff you need but aren't provided, like Perception as a class skill, right?

"need"

This particular idea tickles me in a special way

Don't suggest campaign ideas when we don't even have a single campaign up.

What classes would be okay without perception as a class skill?

They don't affect crew actions, but they do affect the skill checks, which you use for crew actions, clear RAI

Its just a +3 man

>How can you do comfy sci-fi adventures in Starfinder?
Planning a Necrovite who's actually a pretty chill dude.

Envoy, mystic, technomancer, really any of them that aren't primary combat careers. So only the soldier and operative really need it as a must have.

suboptimal, ree?

Thank you, that's a good answer. Maybe Solarian too, but I'll accept that as an edge case.

I don't really care about the +3 as much as the implications of it. The primary combat class doesn't have one of the most critical combat skills on its class list? The career soldier isn't expected to have good situational awareness?

Have you seen the DC scaling?

Well unless you want to blunder into ambushes and not notice enemy forces with your professional soldier and all?

chance 14 is the chance for a skill that uses a stat that starts with a 14 and uses your +2 stat boost at 14

chance 10 is the chance for a skill that uses a stat that starts with a 10 and uses your level up bonuses

this is for classes not using the scaling bonuses of operative/envoy/mystic/mechanic/technomancer

If you want to be perceptive soldier, it is feats away.
Soldier is more about being the Heavy Weapons Guy than being elite SEAL guy

My takeaway - specialists with a scaling class bonus have an unstable but semi-consistent competence level depending on how much they invest. Non-specialists with an applicable bonus still have some shadow of a chance. Solarians are highly unstable because they get +1d6 instead of a static bonus. Soldiers get no bonus, and are shafted harder and harder as they level.

Sounds like an NPC class then. Which makes sense given thst's all the Fighter was/is, a Warrior with feats.

Don't be daft
You are a party, one of you will have ranks in perception with class skill bonus

Soldiers have more feats, frees up feats to take skill focus, I think they're even with Solarians.

After level 10 both won't be competent

nice work user.
i got inspired by you and made some charts about drone DPS

The issue is it not making any sense for the class that's so combat focused to be untrained in awareness. Really, give me one good reason for anyone else but the Operative to be better at spotting enemies, traps or suspicious details around them.

I have no idea what the fuck is going on here, but could someone direct me to the nearest Codex Astartes?

I've actually not read through the Operative class in depth. Although I like the idea of some crazy innawoods person who's survived in various environments.

>innawoods
pffft that /k/ meme is old and busted.
the new hotness is operators operating operationally unnaground

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Um... I'm pretty sure there are no opinions in math. It's just... math.

its almost as if a large portion of 4channers are retarded niggers

Operative is more SpecOps, but could maybe be some crazy survivalist if you wanted. Compare to the Soldier for other /k/ memes, tbough soldier I have been told is more "Durr.. me have gun!"

Math has been used through the ages to bolster opinions
Just because it is math, does not mean the math is not based on an opinion

does anyone know how energy resistance works in this game? i cant find it in the damn book.

>but could someone direct me to the nearest Codex Astartes?

Report to your nearest Knight-General or Cathedral Ship for further orders.

>math is not pure fact.
take your postmodernist faggotry out of here

I see. Granted the soldier doesn't come off as a meathead especially when you consider the one that lets you do magic shit although if you wanted to do "Me have gun, it be big gun" then I suppose you could the same way Operative could be transformed into Rambo or Dutch

There are no opinions actually stated in the post that was replied to. Just the pure math.

>does anyone know how energy resistance works in this game? i cant find it in the damn book.

What do you mean? It works exactly as you expect it would; someone with Fire Resistance 5 who gets hit by a laser for 6 damage will only take 1 damage. There is also a feat that gives you Resistance 5, but you need to assign what the Resistance is for (it can also count as flat DR.)

The scaling of DC is literally his opinion

its just DR for a energy type?
cool
that seems really good in a game that half the weapons deal fire damage

I JUST WANT TO BE A BIG TOUGH SOLDIER-MAN AND ALL YOU GUYS ARE SAYING I'M A BIG FAT DUMBIE.

No, that's straight from the book...

But user, lots of girls like them big and stupid.

You go ahead and be the big strng soldier and if they make fun of you you shoot them, or punch them, or do both.

That said, pic related I had an idea for a high tech bow with special arrows so with stuff like cryopikes and what not it shouldn't be too hard to convert them into arrows.

I can't stand to see you this way. Come get a hug you big, lovable idiot!

I'm coming from years of Pathfinder, where do I start with Starfinder?

What are the key differences?

>High tech bow
>Wanting to use a 1d6 ranged weapon

there is space

I don't know if you're making fun of me, and I don't believe you that Starfinder girls want a big, burly meathead to princess-carry them about the ship.

its ok user, grills dont care what you say. its all about how you say it. so effectively, you can sub your cha for int with all grill interactions

Well I'm thinking the power would mostly be in it's utility.

>Cryoarrows - Either hit a target and do cold damage or hit the ground and create difficult terrain where they slip

>Pyro arrows - Deal fire damager or create difficult terrain setting the ground on fire

>Arc arrow - Deal electricity damage or shoot into something like water and make everyone do the 440 dance

youtube.com/watch?v=qaJQA6w2stw

>I don't believe you that Starfinder girls want a big, burly meathead to princess-carry them about the ship.
Well that's because you're dumb. It's pretty obvious to a smooth operator like me.

I wish there were more types of arrows that were less expensive. Like 0 edge arrows and less expensive grenade arrows that scaled better. The idea has traction in my opinion, it just doesn't have the rules to make it viable.

The 2*tier stuff isn't as bad, a reasonably optimized pilot can make the death star to acrobatics on a 10+ and do advanced stuff on a 15+. The captain is pretty fucked though, everyone else will be able to manage on a ship matching their tier. The system is far from perfect, it has been rushed out the door for gencon and is in need of revision but a lot of the issues are overblown (probably the same people that made a new lower tier for Pathfinder every time they saw a class they didn't like).

Of course they do, user. Sure, it's mostly ysoki who are into that, but there are other kinds of girls who like it too.

Vesk girls are gaga for any dude that can lift them off the ground. It's a primal instinct thing.

>Sure, it's mostly ysoki who are into that

And Lashunta, you better believe each and every one of those girls want to feel like a princess.

>[Mating growls intensifiy]

>[Deposits egg clutch inside her lover's open chest cavity]

>You will never be a delicate Damaya Lashunta
>You will never get tuckered out miles from camp
>You will never be picked up by the strength-focused Human Soldier and carried for the last few minutes of the trek
>You will never use your latent telepathy to read his mind and notice his feelings for you

pastebin.com/zUGVAmbf

Well, we have a chance to make our own memories with Starfinder. I'm hoping near the beginning of next month I'll be set to try and do some Roll20 shit.

does DR and energy resistance stack?

>Implying that it's not going to be the exact same shit in a slightly different, neon colored pile

No, DR is simply damage reduction for things like bullets and blades.