Excited when I hear about Starfinder

And they just assume that we're not going to handle this like reasonable people when it's brought up? The fact that this guy gave a 'D' to a trisexual race because it's not fleshed out enough for his liking strikes me as woefully selfish. Are we expected to detail the definition of 'straight' or 'gay' in a book of game mechanics?
I may be ignorant about some facets of LGBT life, but I'm not stupid and I sure don't think I'm evil. I feel like I came off as a dick in my last post, but I just want to have a nice game. If my players have a problem, I feel like they'll tell me about it. I'm not gonna 'gayz ur satan' them.

>Expecting Pazio to ever not fuck things up or just be shit in general
user pls.

The fact that you don't think that you're evil just shows how evil and genderphobic you are.

I don't know why you thought that Starfinder would break away from its 3e roots, they were very clear that it was going to be pretty much fully compatible with Pathfinder right from the get-go.

That part, at least, is on you, man, not on Paizo.

>that don't make me feel like I'm coddling a child instead of respecting an adult
This perfectly summarises the vast majority of my interactions with Paizo's community.

>trusting Paizo
>ever

>I suspect it's just going to be the same talking points over and over.
That's to be expected when they're constantly shouted down every time with the same non-arguments like "it's FORCED" and "acknowledging them is CONDESCENDING and they should feel INSULTED by it". There's no reason to bring up different points when the existing valid points are hated instead of challenged.

Yeah, and what do you want me to do?
I have stopped and made sure to consider stuff like including homosexual characters more often. Maybe not as much as I could, but I don't know what I need to do so that everyone will finally stop yelling at me to meet their particular set of values and wants.
My main holdout from including more non-straight characters in my games is that I'm really, honestly, afraid of portraying them wrongly or catching flak for 'doing it for show'. It's a no-win situation made worse by people like that asshole 'ranking' a system that went out of its way to meet the wants of the LGBT community.
So, honestly and truly, tell me what I should do. I'm seriously interested.

Subtle

The cringe is indeed real.

Truer words have never been spoken, comrade. And I should shoot you for being a liberal, even!

>>serum of genderqueering
The fuck ?

Forcibly changing a characters sexuality doesn't show any respect for it in the first place.

Clearly you are not doing enough and need to try harder.

Can I get a checklist of things to do while we're at it? Because obviously my methods are insufficient.

>My main holdout from including more non-straight characters in my games is that I'm really, honestly, afraid of portraying them wrongly or catching flak for 'doing it for show'. It's a no-win situation made worse by people like that asshole 'ranking' a system that went out of its way to meet the wants of the LGBT community.

Yeah, see, you've hit here on the number 1 reason why you should just stop trying to go out of your way to please this sort of crowd. They're fundamentally unpleasable; no matter how hard you try, you'll never be perfect, and anything less than perfection is just going to be taken as evidence of your complicity in oppressive gender norms.

That's just because a lot of these types don't actually care about equality and inclusiveness, they just want a cause. They just want to be angry, they just want to yell and call people the spawn of Satan and feel justified about it. Nothing you do will ever please them because they don't WANT to be pleased, they want praise for being a crusader on a crusade they won't LET end.

This is a significant issue, and just making the effort to be thoughtful and polite is a big deal. In the real world, that counts for a lot. Always angry nitpickers will just always be angry, so you should just keep on trying to be nice. That's all there is to it.

For what it's worth, traditional combat math and mechanics is actually really good.

Just not really anything else.

I've got nothing else to contribute to this conversation, so I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing and try to give everyone a fair shake. And probably fail a lot.

>my rulebook has too many rules, and is too concise about them
>there is too much room for advancement, or conversely for running a comfy campaign for a long time before you level into inadvertently eating beans and doing 10d10 poison damage with your farts
>time-traveling sjw spies from the 27th century secretly inserted cursed items in AD&D in an illuminati-style decades-spanning plot to eventually have a character in one of my games who doesn't like the things i like

holy shit I don't even like PF but that's some high-octane 'tisms

understand that "likes dick" begins and ends with "likes dick". it isn't an ad&d1e race that comes packaged with 60' darkvision, fluency in dickliker, its own pantheon, and a maximum level of 8 in ranger.
there are a bunch of "probablies" that can be derived from campaign setting, and a bunch of themes-unrequited love, finding a unique place out there in the world rather than rising to guard captain of your village, playing something thematically unusual by setting or system expectations-which are likely to appeal to gay players in the same way that tomes and towers and effortlessly fireballing big bad ogres appeal to the nerdy kid who only plays wizards, but by and large saturday afternoon special "let's spend 60 minutes describing WHAT A HUGE FAG this one NPC is and then never touch it again" annoys us as much as it annoys you.

From that thread:

>Make a planet of space babes that have zero interest in men and have a completely normal, non-sexualised society.

So a dystopian nightmare. Could be interesting.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure this was the closest thing to a white male I encountered in the 500 page rulebook, which is doubly curious because there's a whole fuckload of beautiful artwork included.

>9-point alignment

Absolute garbage.

>serum of genderqueering
This can't be real.

I call bullshit. There's no way anyone was this shocked that the scifi version of Pathfinder feels like Pathfinder.

>level 12 character killed without the player there

What the FUCK

>It's a Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity
>But Paizo made it so I'm triggered

It's real, and it exists already in Pathfinder.

d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/elixir-of-sex-shifting/

Worse actually. The item lets you become a futa too. You can pick any sex characteristics to change or add.

>pathfarter fucks are so dedicated to the splats that they literally can't just create a setting where they play in a lily-white wonderland.

Sometimes I think Veeky Forums just looks for excuses to be mad.

Where do you think we are? That's the fucking point of the internet. Getting angry and porn.

>It's a Girdle of Femininity/Masculinity with more options
>But I'm still triggered

If you looked at the skill math you'd be a little confused by this too. It makes some of the problems Pathfinder had even worse.

In my opinion the superior space-fantasy product is Fragged Empires.

>unwilling imbiber can choose not to change
Top kek, it didn't have that when it was first released. Reminder that unconscious creatures count as willing anyway though.

user, if you don't understand why an officially sanctioned magical realm is bad then I can't help you.

What I'm not getting is, who's forcing you to use it that way? Why is a random item you're in no way obligated to include period a strike against the system as a whole?

okay, let's purge all magical realms starting with every module that has you saving a princess

there's "piss wizard", and then there's "the castle map includes latrines". i think we can safely say that magical items which have been in d&d since before any of us were alive tend toward the latter end.

Only big change is it's a one time used elixer and not, say..a Belt.

Why is it that when we make societies based around space bros that have zero interest in women, they're usually awesome, but when people make space babes that have zero interest in men it's usually either a parody or written by people like this who don't know how to write a decent story?

You'd think they'd be able to easily rule 63 it at the very least.

The girdle was A) cursed, so you had to break it to get the curse undone, and B) you didn't get to pick what you looked like when you used it.

Sisters of Battle are pretty good Rule 63 Space Marines.

Yeah, the irony is that the Starfinder version is way more hetero magical realm friendly. If you're gay and want to do gay things you could always just play it. If you're gay and want to force other people to do gay things, you could slip a Girdle onto them and watch them choose between celibacy, having sex with a gay person, or having sex with a physical sex they're still not attracted to (and it was usually bundled with shit like arranged marriages or lonely orcish war parties.)

Reversible, designer commodity polymorph potions are even less actual gay than "it's that fag's fault I'm kinda tempted, he's turning me gay, oh noes" closeted bi boy panic. They're for hetero guys to turn themselves into Ellen Page and magical realm what they think happens in womens' locker rooms.

Kills the best use for it!

sure you are

right? the DM should've just tossed out that session, thats so fucked up

>>serum of genderqueering

yeah not like D&D ever had stuff like THAT

You can't troll players by slipping it into their drink now, unfortunately.

Have to get them passed out drunk, THEN put it down their throat.

So in their efforts to be more inclusive, first they created an even more nasty version of the belt of gender change that doesn't give you a choice, and then by changing it so unwilling characters don't change they created a variant of a date rape drug?

sasuga paizo

I think you mean /pol/. Veeky Forums bitched about the math being wonky (especially when handling spaceships) and space!Fighters getting shafted *again*. Bitching about a staple of D&D that has existed for literally decade shows complete ignorance of D&D and the culture/stories/jokes surrounding it. Thus, those bitching are outsiders, and since it's bitching about ES JAY DUBS, I feel pointing the finger at stormniggers that escaped their containment board is a safe bet.

...I don't see the problem there...

>Veeky Forums bitched about the math being wonky (especially when handling spaceships) and space!Fighters getting shafted *again*.
I'm unsurprised that it was wonky. Saga edition for Star Wars (based on d20 in some ways, but with more 4th/5th ed. sort of stuff starting to show up in it) had the same problem with its spaceships.

I feel like vomiting.

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>since before any of us were alive

The tranny apologist is a millennial, what a surprise.

>you should just keep on trying to be nice. That's all there is to it.

respect is earned user, you shouldn't be required to show it to people who won't return it

>the triggered grognard is nearly beyond breeding age but still single enough to post on anime forums at 2am

what a relief

Are you sure he is posting at 2am? Or is it just 2am where you live? You are aware there are other timezones, right?

welcome to Veeky Forums, where we have server time

>not turning yourself into a women and BEING the little girl

Respect has nothing with being nice. Just ask people working in retail.

>hey're for hetero guys to turn themselves into Ellen Page and magical realm what they think happens in womens' locker rooms.

Well since that's what most trans people are, that makes sense. Well the main difference is that other women don't want to fuck them so they mostly end up fucking dudes, but w/e.

Yup. But most of those people are autogynephiles, so it's what they wanted.

/thread

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(un)surprisingly, my liberal friends hate the "for magic, unconsciousness is consent" joke.

>you have to be single to post on Veeky Forums

Well, he's not wrong...

> liberal friends