/btg/ BattleTech General

How to stop great turtle spam or well anything.

what if there were a deaf/mute mechwarrior?

man, that's cool!

I remember thinking, what if there were some way to give protomechs some sort of huge advantage?

something that would put them on par with a much larger mech..

like if a clan mechwarrior and a clan elemental got together and said, "this is bullshit. I'm too big and you're too little."

you could have a scene where King Davion is having their mech hold a protomechs hand, who is holding a battlesuits hand, three generations in decomissioned warmachines, walking through a field, while this plays..

youtube.com/watch?v=KUwjNBjqR-c

>jap court ruling
>relevant this time around
>when jordan and cgl have already signed agreements saying this shit belongs to HG
>and hg has other court rulings that say the same thing

The only way to get this fully cleared up is if the Jap companies go up against HG directly in US courts, and they haven't so far because the US laws are so fucked up there's a very real risk they would be ruled against despite being the original content creators.

US IP law is fuuuuuuuucked, user. HG will either extort a favourable settlement or fight this in court and they have the resources to dominate the other parties. CGL already capitulated entirely.

I wouldn't expect any major news for the rest of the year, and the next we hear of it may well be after the case has finished in court.

Why? Prime and the ER Medium Laser spam one are pretty boss. The others do need Clan weapons.

Advantage how? Their advantage is already swarm tactics. A point of Rocs at 35 tons will fuck up most 35-tonners.

I think the solution is really just to build more shit like the Roc, Gorgon, Minotaur, and Delphyne and less shit like the Harpy.

I wondered about that.

I played the Renegade Legion vidya back in the day and was mad because FASA didn't expand the video games to include ground warfare and such, and also that if they could make a game as complex as Renegade Legion for a system that had 640K memory, why not a basic BT game. Now we have MegaMek and my inner litle boy pilot is happy.

Well why the heck not? Both can occur to a perfectly healthy mechwarrior, and if one were to be born incurably deafmute, the neurohelmet brainwave scanning mumbo jumbo can easily be handwaved to be capable of having a direct translate function. Even something that works by relaying text messages through the HUD, and "typing" by detecting a specific "cockpit sign language".

There's very little that can't be handwaved in a setting where advanced cybernetics are a matter of money.

The actual answer is probably not much, since the ability to hear is not actually related to sense of balance.

Specific conditions or types of damage might but the bigger issue a deaf or mute MechWarrior will face is battlefield communication. The neurohelmet will still work in the vast majority of cases.

Assuming that the deafness isn't caused by something that also damaged the inner ear, at least

Considering how absolutely crappy targeting systems are in Battletech, you could probably make for some impressive sharpshooters with the long-range oriented machines.

For other positions, it would probably end up being decided by the HUD provided, so most likely tied to how old the machine is.

youtu.be/YsifLPFAxjE
Considering the Black Hawk KU is one of the few solid mechs the DCMS fields.

Impossible for several reasons. One is that they have the tech to fix that, even in the worst days of 3000. Nuerohelmet tech makes speech devices child's play even if they might be clunky and large.

The second is that there are four people trained to be mechwarriors for every person that is an actual mechwarrior so there's always 100% functional people to take their place.

Wouldn't be much of a thing except in very, very rare cases.
Anyone with those issues not from a mechwarrior family would just never get the chance to be a pilot.
If someone with those issues WAS from a mechwarrior family, they'd just end up getting cybernetics to fix them
If a mechwarrior ended up deaf or mute from wounds, they'd also just get cybernetics to fix them up, or almost certainly retire if they couldn't
The only situation where somebody would stay active duty with those issues would be in a Bandit Kingdom military, or for a short period where they were in the field and needed to get back in the cockpit while still wounded due to extreme circumstances

>that they have the tech to fix that, even in the worst days of 3000. Nuerohelmet tech makes speech devices child's play even if they might be clunky and large.
>The second is that there are four people trained to be mechwarriors for every person that is an actual mechwarrior so there's always 100% functional people to take their place.

Going to disagree.

For one, piloting a mech requires a sense of balance, as well as fine dexterous skills to operate the mech, which is why Grayson Carlyle couldn't run a mech later in his life.

If you are deaf-mute, you could operate a mech, but as a lancemate, you'd likely be much less useful.

The technology existed to "Fix" a lot of the problems if only partially, but a lot of the more major fixes were prohibitively expensive. Sure, selling a PPC could buy you a high-end prosthetic leg, but in an age where you'd literally murder your own brother to get a lower arm actuator, would you?

Plus, assuming that we're talking retro BT where mechs were often privately owned, there was no "Replacing the warrior" save for outright murdering them and stealing their family heirloom.

In 3039+ you might see more and more warriors forcibly retired from mechs they never owned, but if it's the RPG we're talking about, if they've got the "Owned vehicle" trait, you're not evicting them without warcrimes.

>The second is that there are four people trained to be mechwarriors for every person that is an actual mechwarrior so there's always 100% functional people to take their place.

Surely the reason why they let literal retards and inbreds pilot these things. To say nothing of the countless psychopaths and what not.

Besides, why let humans pilot mechs at all? They have perfectly capable newtypes. Char, Amuro, Kamille... all of them are canonical characters. Even have some of their own making like Kai Allard Liao, the epitome of a newtype if you've ever seen one.

You're not disagreeing with anything I said. I said they don't exist because either they got enough money to fix it or they got plenty of people to replace them. There's never a situation where you're forced to use a deaf-mute in combat.

>f they've got the "Owned vehicle" trait, you're not evicting them without warcrimes.
Mechwarrior families literally have dozens of people waiting in the wings to take somebody's place. The state doesn't retire them, their own family does.

>They have perfectly capable newtypes. Char, Amuro, Kamille... all of them are canonical characters.

They were all killed by Dracs. How good could they really be.

It simply means the Kuritans were better (had more of their own).
Look at Kai and how much ass he kicked in his heyday despite being a Capellan.

Tell me about your BT characters, and what they ride.

These are the Fighting Fusiliers. From left to right:

>Elizabeth Grosvenor (Stinger)
>Sun-Lao Ling (Rifleman)
>Marie Coriveau (Hatchetman)
>Cera Kuroda (Atlas)
>Garadun Morr (Spartan)
>Baroness Alexandra Grosvenor (Thunder Hawk)
>Jimmy Han (Chief Tech)
>Edward Ian Davion (Cestus)
>Sayuki Anzai-Davion (Excalibur)
>Laura Bauer (Griffin)
>Erik Thorvald (Orion)
>Isabelle Pearl (Locust)

'til they got the factories taken away to appease the special customers, that is. The mech stops appearing in the RATs after jihad.

What if you actually familiarized yourself enough with the setting to stop making retarded suggestions so you can stop bitching about 'only trying to help'?

How about you go fuck yourself out of that ball of frustration you got there, and let us discuss battletech in a place specifically made for discussing battletech, instead of throwing tantrums? It is an interesting subject.

Suuuure it is samefag. It's interesting to point out the obvious. "They'll get cybernetics to fix it, or be booted if they can't."

Can't wait for school to start back up.

Don't promote yourself to moderator on an anonymous imageboard, niggershit.

Well, at least you stopped namefagging Ring. Progress is being made.

Did someone get their feefees hurt? You don't have to be a mod to call out retards.

kys my dude.

Moooom! The official forum is broke and leaking effete dramalords again!

can we go pack to bashing CGL now guys

the alpha strike minis were probably the worst minis in the room at gencon, out of thousands

Fuck man. What does it say about the state of BT when the official forums are containment?

>when the official forums are containment?

Official forums are always containment sites.
Modern Veeky Forums is as well. It's here solely to curb the 40k autism.

How much of a newfag are you? Veeky Forums got made to keep 40k out of /b/ so the furfags could keep posting their shit without being interrupted by warhammer wednesdays.

It's always been so. I remember the days when these threads could easily last over a month, pure of chatroom spermleaks that are now daily. Participants could immerse themselves in discussions about the fineties of Poland Main A Gauss Rifles, anecdotes drifting at the pace of urbanmechs in swamps, but at the same time with a cleanness and civility alike the celestial light of a particle projector cannon discharge.

>Veeky Forums got made to keep 40k out of /b/ so the furfags could keep posting their shit without being interrupted by warhammer wednesdays.

How much of a newfag are you not to remember that time when moot definitely confirmed that was pure bullshit and he wouldn't make a new board for a bunch of autists like that in the same way he never made a board to contain Caturdays which were bigger than 40 000 /b/ autists could ever hope to achieve.

Veeky Forums has since made /mlp/ and /lgbt/ to contain bronies and faggots.

He has done a lot stuff since, doesn't change the fact that wasn't throwing up boards like certain someone just like that.

Moot from back then is the moot who made /fur/ and then banned every single fucker to step foot in there, ironically or not.

>with a cleanness and civility
Well user, it's up to us to starve the trolls of all reactions and to hold the standards high. Gotta start somewhere, might as well be ourselves.

fuck off nerd

Well, good enough.

How about that Poland Main A? And what the hell is with that feddie knockoff Poland Main C? Those apes.

>Poland gauss
>Poland
Every time I think about this I picture a giant series of in-line slingshots with Polandball sitting in the pouch.

>And what the hell is with that feddie knockoff Poland Main C? Those apes.

It's a New Syrtis model. The C is for Caesar.

>Apes
>Together
>Strong

Also, Johnston is literally known for making knockoff weapons.

Please do not say that. I just bought myself a lance. Too good value to pass up

I would like to effect upon you my protests over this flagrant anti-Lyran propaganda. Obviously purpose-created Federation PR piece. I also wish to assure you that I am not frothing at the mouth, that is just swamp gas condensating upon my fashionable moustache.

Thoughts on the Achileus?

If the canon model were just the prototype, what changes might you have made to it for the production run?

I own a couple of packs too, but they're obly good deals compared to IW prices. ~$3 each for those garbage minis is pretty awful compared to nearly anything else.

>what changes might you have made to it for the production run?
I would have built it somewhere that didn't explode in the 3070's.

Speaking of. Anybody else find it strange that Regulus has one of the only Warship shipyards left in the Inner Sphere, fully capable of maintaining their ships at peak and making new ones, but we never see them roll out the Delos or build something new to run the blockades in the DA Regulan War?

Imagine if CGL just partnered with Panda/CMON/etc to do their minis instead of trying and failing to do it themselves like they've been doing for decades

Ditto for the Longinus.

>The two tiny women both pilot bugs

It's the Assassin that's notorious for a cramped cockpit, user.

Does IW or Warhansa produce better quality mechs as the prices are similar.

Just for when I need those individual mechs

Stinger is notorious for a cramped cockpit, not the Assassin. You literally need to be hauled out of it by techs.

Only problem the Assassin ever had was a buggy LRM loader.

TRO begs to differ, user.

IW is most metal, Warhansa is some sort of plastic.
Generally IW has better quality, Warhansa has a lot of flash comparatively and messier molds (which is expected as they are trying to make MWO designs).

The TROs also say the Stinger has a cramped cockpit you need help to get out of.

Not him but Locust has the cramped cockpit quirk like the Assassin and Stinger as well, indicating cramped as shit.

Take your meds ringling

>tfw picturing a sweaty, scantily-clad blonde Lori Kalmar snugged into that Locust's cockpit

Why isn't there a BattleTech porn parody?

She could be played by Samantha Rone

Mad Cat MK II is best IW model

prove me wrong

I can't because subjectivity. But I can counter with the Juliano.

Mini off, go. Ree to your hearts content with what you feel is the best sculpt.

I don't like any of IW's IS sculpts.

Best mini is . I'd know, I posted it.

I've never tried to play with a 40mm base, how big of a pain is it?

Where my age of war niggers at!

My Great Turtle is actually spread across two standard hex bases glued together, so I wouldn't really know. Probably terrible.

Damn right. Primitive-fag reporting in. New Archer and Orion look boss as fuck.

How does movement work with two hex bases?

I generally just designate the forward hex as the hex it is actually in and call it a day. It's mostly a display model anyway, I don't get to play with it much. You kinda work around it.

Love me some primitives, it's really a shame they're canonically extinct during the succession wars, they'd be great for that

I think you are all underestimating just how loud mechs artillery fire would be. Even with earplugs, you would go deaf firing them.

I'd have to agree with The Mk.2 is just a sexy machine. It's one of my favorite models ever, and I don't just mean in BT.

Panda?

I woukd love CGL to team with someone able to make nice models, but don't they have some insane life long contract with IWM?

>but don't they have some insane life long contract with IWM?
Nope. IWM OWNS the miniatures rights to the battletech IP outright

One of the many lovely things that happened when FASA started handing parts of itself out like wedding cake.

Panda is a chinese production company that produces alot of Kickstarters. They have their own modelers and everything. CGL could literally just send them some art and probably get a box set produced within a year.

But they're dumb.

But IW has no involvement with the lance packs right? So they must share rights?

The Lance Packs are technically only the cards. The minis just happen to be a bonus to get around the restriction of rights.

>CGL
>China
This is not a good rabbit hole, user.

Are we sure? I thought it was confirmed that IWM only had rights to metal minis. I realize they sell the Lance Packs on their site but that doesn't mean they make the minis, because I'm reasonably sure they don't. They may own the molds that are being used though, since I'm pretty sure all they're doing is using vinyl and pouring it into existing metal molds.

The Lance Packs are """"Alpha Strike"""" minis, because IWM doesn't own *those* rights. Same reason MW:DA was 'Mechwarrior' and not 'Battletech'

Anybody have experience with warhansa minis? I know some (all?) run big but I can't find many references.

>This is not a good rabbit hole, user.
Only because they're literally retarded.

Either way it means we're never going to get cheap yet decent minis from China again.

So how does CGL put out the plastic starters? Like the new intro box; those aren't molds from IWM are they? I'm legit curious.

Didn't the boat with the Leviathans stuff sink or some shit?

I've been wanting to start collecting battle tech for a while and I just ordered two lance packs. This will give me an Awesome, Banshee, Charger, Firestarter, Hatchetman, Orion, Vindicator, and Zeus; I also plan on trying to get a Spider and/or Assasin. Do you have any advice for additional mechs to acquire? I would prefer inner sphere mechs that work well to support each other (C3, narc pod, tag,ect). Thank you.

CGL Atlas and Zeus flanking the four warhansa and GHQ infantry/tanks in front.

They're bigger than IW/CGL mechs but I think they fit better with GHQ models if you run any coventionals.

>the boat with the Leviathans stuff

That's only a tiny part of it. I'll answer to hopefully save NEA the PTSD. The source of ALL of this data is Randall's old blog posts on the Levs website. There's other stuff too (like Doug Chaffee, the art lead for Leviathans, dying and his estate not letting CGL have the stuff he did for them without paying more money).

The things we can blame the Chinese for:

Being the only affordable small-scale injection molding manufacterers when Levs was getting started. This has changed, but it was true in 2008.

The Chinese embargoed the game because in the fluff book, CGL colored Taiwan/Formosa the same color as Japan (who occupied the island then). This is a breach of China's "one china" policy and the game was sat on for literally a year while they reprinted and repacked the entire production run.

The Chinese routinely didn't bother to make deadlines on production, because CGL's order was small. They'd take a larger order and push Levs to the back of the queue. Speaking from my own experience dealing with the Chinese (injection molding QC for P&G), if you don't have people literally to deal with it, this will happen almost 100% of the time.

Once the production run was over, the Chinese kept the mold plates (owned by CGL) and literally held them for ransom. They wanted about $1.5 million to send the mold plates back to CGL. They openly bragged about making their own copies of the mold plates and their plans to sell Lev ships the same way that they made knockoff Battletech dice (pic related).

The container full of product fell off a container ship when it ran aground and was lost (this is the "ship sinking" thing getting talked about). It was a Chinese container ship, so blaming the Chinese is appropriate.

>Basically, if you don't have enough money to send at least two people to China so they can rotate to and from the factory to keep an eye on the fuckers, you need to not do business in China.

>Didn't the boat with the Leviathans stuff sink or some shit?
Among other things. The whole story of Leviathans was basically CGL getting repeatedly BOHICA'd (pic very much related)

Those look pretty good. I feel like the Talas *should* be huge compared to other stuff.

Oh. Oh man I did not know all that. I remember issues getting it made, and then the stuff getting lost. That's a hell of an ordeal. I know the guys at Megacon Games had some issues with the Chinese when making MERCS Recon and they kept trying to dance around issues instead of fix them.

I wish Prodos were keeping up with their own releases enough to suggest them as a company to make BT models, but damn the releases for Warzone are starting to get few and faf between which makes me sad.

catapults. always catapults.

>roll the dice, see if you get the sword or the fist tonight

What is this I don't even.

youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZhMEvujAY

CGL: Eric Foreman.
My response: Red Foreman.