/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

>Contagion Chronicle

I have a sinking feeling it's going to be a forced, inorganic crossover akin to Beast.

We would be in a better place if so.

But I think they were just off arguing in the old thread.

Well with expectations that low, at least you won't be disappointed.

>at least you won't be disappointed

This is OPP we're talking about?

Idea for Mage NPC: Acanthus or Obrimos Libertine whose Awakening involved him being "sent into the distant future" and talking with "Sufficiently Advanced Aliens" (actually Supernal Fae or Angels), who showed him how he could change the world into a futuristic utopia. The problem is that his Awakening ended before he could finish talking to the Fae/Angels and writing the blueprints based on their instructions. Now he is looking to finish what he started by joining the Thaumatech Enginners Legacy and using his Blueprint Digital Scroll Artifact to find the right times and places where "alien tech and beings" can be found to further his utopic designs. His Digital Scroll Artifact has a little computer voice that gives him advice both useful and eccentric, like the titular encyclopedia from Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, or a Pokédex.

Thamatech Engineers, that a real legacy? From which book?
What do they do?

forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/mage-the-awakening/981289-2e-legacy-thaumatech-engineers

>forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/mage-the-awakening/981289-2e-legacy-thaumatech-engineers
Oooooh, someone's fan thing. Cool. A bit much for an NPC unless you have some purpose in mind for them already. Sounds more like a PC, honestly.

Question magefags
There is a storm witch / wizard legacy right?

>Acanthus or Obrimos Libertine whose Awakening involved him being "sent into the distant future" and talking with "Sufficiently Advanced Aliens" (actually Supernal Fae or Angels), who showed him how he could change the world into a futuristic utopia.
Sounds like you've found Atlantis.

I am currently running apocalypse the way god intended: As the most bonkers, fucked up, PTSD inducing military action RPG ever. You have a bunch of bronze age heroes in an endless war against the forces of the bastard love child of Tzeentch and Nurgle. Not because it's easy but because it's right and you have no choice. It's like the Ho Chi Minh Trail and the Eastern Front rolled into one with the admonition to let no one know what's actually going on. And you just fully embrace the bonkers.

>Characters stumble onto the Sabbat pack that bedeviled the characters in our vampire campaign.
>Eight cainites and four ghouls with automatic weaponry, explosives.
>4PCs plus a small Gnawer Pack.
>The Gnawer's Ahroun and Alpha got kicked out of two tribes.
>Their Theurge is a raging alcoholic of the "Drive around town with an open bottle of scotch and no seatbelt variety."
>Their Philodox is a literal retard who fights with a sharpened lawnmower blade fetish and a manhole cover strapped to his arm.
>None of this has any effect on the fact that they're hard as fucking steel
>Tell players from the outset that this is a hard, brutal game and I'm playing for sheets.
>Pour every ounce of Guerilla knowledge from eight years as a grunt into the PCs. Two players nearly lose their characters. Grenades are thrown through doorways. Everybody running for cover before the Sabbat run out of ammo at the last moment and they rush the doorway.
>One Sabbat flees, another is captured. The rest is butchered.
>Players earned their victory.
>mfw

Man, I'm an Ascensionfag. Don't lump us in with them. Just leave it alone, let them talk about rules and don't respond to bait.

>I'm an Ascensionfag

So you have shit taste then, huhhhhh??????

1.5/10 bait. Apply yourself.

your taste in relining furniture leaves much to be desired

You're just precious. Thinking anyone who opposes your 'shit taste' is 'bait'

Poor thing

youtube.com/watch?v=vyeoW4ifNik

You're a brutal asshole, and I'm loving every minute of it

Well, yeah. You're arguing taste. That's entirely subjective.

Nigga, I was here for Aspel. You're gonna have to try harder.

Sorry. Your taste is filth. I am right. You are wrong.

I'm sure you guys have been asked this question before but;

What's the most powerful a normal human without become 'awakened' can become? Can they learn some kind of magic in WoD?

Come on man at least try. This is no fun for any of us. We've all got limp dick from last thread when user didn't deliver vamp smut

There are some pyshcker merits if that's what you mean. I mean any civy with a car will hit pretty hard regardless of target

Why try for someone who guzzles down Brucato dick. Ascension is crap.

You're going to want a Conspiracy level Hunter.

Especially if you want no supernatural merits.

A TFV operative decked out in special gear, trained to fight, and loaded out for the mission, is the most dangerous a human with no supernatural powers is going to get.

Now if you don't want to be an operator operating operationally, there are relics and psychic powers as well, that use willpower instead of mana.

>Either Magefags need to learn to share, or crossoverfags need to accept that their character will be overshadowed by the Mage, and both players should be upfront about their chargen so they can avoid stepping on one anothers toes as much as possible.
Or you could just disallow Mages from crossover. Or, make the really smart move and don't run crossover games.

Where can you get the V5 alpha at?

Not for me. I have firm stances on sci-fi and magic not mixing.

It was part fan service because they got to get revenge on the cainites that had bedeviled them in a previous game but There was a point to it. The Sabbat, having failed their Bishop, fled north and started prepping for an invasion of Seattle, setting up safehouses and muscling in on the drug trade to provide havens and funding. They have a hook-up from Panacea Pharmaceuticals (A Magadon, inc. Subsidiary) To move opioids as part of those efforts. Because they're pretty much the unluckiest sons of bitches in the world, the pack stumbled onto their haven in one of the sunken parts of Seattle beneath the streets where both parties can cut loose with fear of breaking the veil/masquerade.
>pic related.

It was a closely run thing and there's nothing to throw the fear of god into your players like a Nosferatu Antitribu hopped up on PCP laced blood bursting through a doorway with a chainsaw while spouting badly remembered verses from the Book of Nod.

Meh.

You are really bad at this, I just want you to know that.

Forgot pic.

Why, though? Genuinely curious.

Stop giving him (You)s, you moron.

>operator operating operationally
Cheeki breeki iv damke? Ave Nex Alea?

>Don't lump us in with them
The most supreme and prolific era of Magefagging was when Magefags couldn't stop wanking over Ascension Archmages and how they could defeat Caine, god, or how god himself might have been an Archmage.

>muh consensual reality

Keep living in your little world

They don't mix well for me, unless it's just that kind of setting.

On the one hand, Seattle, so yay.
On the other, I don't know Apocalypse, so I can't really appreciate the goodness you are throwing down here.

Awakeningfags were here before the MotA wars and they're still here.

Isn't that what we're all doing? I mean this is a thread devoted to an RPG series.

The Caine vs Archmage argument has been around since before Awakening.

>Awakeningfags were here before the MotA wars and they're still here.
Just saying, Ascensionfagging was way worse and way more pervasive while it was here.

Mota was written in 1999. You're not winning that argument

Yes

forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/mage-the-awakening/980550-2e-legacy-update-storm-keepers

>oWoD

Apocalypse is built around shocking, visceral, bone-crunching brutality because you are soldiers fighting a war who's prospects for victory are rapidly dimming and it's basically a death metal album cover in RPG form.

Hello, Aspel.

Its damn fun.

This is correct. Just don't take a wrong turn into furry yiffing eco terrorists. They are literally the worst

The brutal death metal lost battalion IS the furry yiffing eco terrorists. Such is the duality of man

Everyone brings up the Captain Planet memes, but they are more like those elves from MtG who 'break a bone for every twig snapped and leaf trod upon'. Except not even then. Werewolves enjoy murdering the shit out of nature's bounties with regular hunts.

What they don't like is large, difficult to control urban areas thanks to vampires and Wyrm taint. The Weaver also makes it difficult to do their spirit bullshit. But small towns and rural communities? That shit is fine.

Its less Green Peace and more rural rugged individualism and tribalism vs city-dwelling intellectuals and urban humanity devouring itself like an oroborous.

For every on theme game I've seen / played of Apco there were about five more of straight yiffing. I'm not saying you aren't right, just pointing out people ditch that theme for lazy wank feast more often than you'd like to believe.

It's about about a bunch of teens in a group saving the environment from rotten polluters. The meme is there for a reason

Going by that metric, Forsaken is about Otherkin thanks to That Book.

Why do you care what retards do?

I thought Changeling was the Otherkin splat?

non, Forsaken had an Otherkin book complete with buff bara bearmen and 'forest king' deer dudes with giant dicks on display.

...

Changing breeds was a blue book. Not a forsaken book.

I mean, just to be technical. The book is specifically titled 'world of darkness: changing breeds'

Its closely related enough to Forsaken, so much that a lot of their mechanics are just Forsaken mechanics with the serial numbers filed off.

Its real hoss.

projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/daeren/changing-breeds/

And it also has mage magic in there.

But yeah, it is close related to forsaken.
At the same time, blaming it on werewolf when the two aren't actually related is kind of silly.

You can make a changing breeds character that has more to do with Awakening than with forsaken.

It was such a bad misunderstanding of what people liked about WtA and the Fera that it comes off as this ridiculous backhanded 'compliment' both to nwod, Forsaken and Apocalypse fans all in one fell swoop.

Like, if you want easily triggered Captain Planet eco terrorists, Changing Breeds plays it up a lot harder than Apocalypse ever did.

Yeah. The book is a treasure trove of bad fluff.

It was okay for building your own shifters, but ignore anything that isn't a mechanics entry.

But her, DaveB liked it enough to include one of the cats in his beast story.

I think a lot of the Fera could fit into WtF without a lot of issues. Just tone down the Gaian mission statement each was built with and play up their connections to a Pangaean god/totem of your choice.

You have no idea how many times I've join a wolf game and gotten the bait and switch.

The last time I joined a Apco game the st set it up in NYC. 'oh yeah behind enemy lines really dug in' and half the game was dicking around in Manhattan park. In star gazers tree houses. We had an entire plot line about a pregnant bitch. Chirst the St had invisible houses and hobos in the fucking public space. There was No tension. and Literally every spirit was shitting out secretes and information at the drop of a hat, for spare change.

I came up with two ways to curry spirit favors. One inviting a fog spirit to a rave with a fog machine, Two Stealing batteries and hanging them from transformers for lightening spirits. I was the insane theurge. Neither got any traction. And that was after I stole a creep pasta story as a basics for a shadow secret rites. That was because one of our players dropped and the entire carrian decided to fuck us because we were short out of five. Like come the fuck on I just want to play the crazy spirit broker. I'll deal with some stupid shit just let me do the insane riddles and spirit logic

And don't get me started on the GMNPCs that just loved to show us up. Our pack tackles a wound spirit to the ground. NPC's got to slam twenty without even trying. And the literal blizzards in the park that apparently no one cares about. and then murdering the mayor's staff on park grounds. nothing was allowed to touch the GM's pretty little treehouses. Fuck it was stupid and of course we all had to live in the park. ... fucking wolves in the middle of the city. We could afford housing in the city not all of us were bone gnawers

tldr: Shit Sts soured me on Apco. And just venting

I don't even bother going that far. Other shifters exist. Some have a spiritual nature, some are just weird things that can change into animals.

I had a werewolf game that included a crow shifter, and whenever things got too spirit heavy he would just roll his eyes and mock the werewolves, because his shifting was hereditary magic, not spirit crap. He had no connection to the shadow.

Others did, but then again the population of other shifters was so small as to make it unimportant to the uratha until one of those shifters popped up.

(They dealt with a rabbit shifter, a bat, and a pack of coyotes).

>Either Magefags need to learn to share, or crossoverfags need to accept that their character will be overshadowed by the Mage
And B) is correct!

>Man, I'm an Ascensionfag.
Lawn chair supremacy amirite?

>But yeah, it is close related to forsaken.
>At the same time, blaming it on werewolf when the two aren't actually related is kind of silly.
So is it related or not? Just choose ffs.

So I'm reading the new Promethean 2nd Transmutations and alchemies and...

I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed, Veeky Forums.

Prometheans have been completely downgraded. Even the Tammuz ability to just keep buying an uncapped amount of health levels with ridiculous EXP is gone.

All abilities are limited to +2 bonuses to armor or defense.

It's like they've been neutered.

>changing-breeds
That was written by Phil and was forced into a blue book, and not a core werewolf book, for good reason. It was shit. but don't think didn't fucking try to recreate changing breed into forsaken. fuck that guy is almost literal cancer. And his technical and fluff writing skill suck so hard

>is it or-
It is not. Done.

Okay, you have shit luck. How is having a shitty GM the fault of the game?

Oh, it totally is.

>interrupting somebody in text form

Tried and failed miserably. At least most of the Fera had something cool about them, like Rokea Street Sharks and Kung Fu Khan weretigers and 'Totally Not a Neil Gaiman Character' Wereravens.

>Have you ever played Werewolf?

Yes.

>If so, which version?

Revised Apocalypse and WtF 2e. I like the Gifts and Auspice mechanics of WtF a lot more, but Apocalypse was pretty fun too. Definitely had a slight edge in making you feel like an engine of destruction but such was the nature of being a huge stat block that does Aggravated damage on literally everything.

I've skimmed 20th, I like the lore changes that tone down the no-win grimdark situation just a little. Haven't tried the mechanics in play yet. Most look the same from Revised..

Corax are fucking awesome. You just use them as a weird ass fucking bird that pops in and starts pointing people in directions that you want them to go because they have a spiritual compulsion against keeping secrets from other Fera.

Want someone to point the PCs in a certain direction? Some weird ass fucking bird shows up and starts hopping around and squawking.

Want to get them a mysterious letter in the middle of the woods? The branches in a nearby tree start shaking and a fucking letter falls out? A corax did it.

The PC's need a resource to put them back on the trail? A kindly stranger leads them to a house or apartment block filled with the not!Lone Gunmen? Fucking Corax, man.

But this is the WoD and every good thing comes with a price tag so remember.

Around Corax?

You pay the tax.

I never said it was. As written Apco is interesting. In practice it's been a nightmare. I've had plenty of shit takes. That can happen with any game line. To put your mind to rest, before that game I actually got roped into a one shot end of the world battle.

Giant wyrm spirit coming to fuck over the coast. We all knew this was designed to kill all of us. But the pack worked together and engineered a battle plan with a bunch of low level tech and tactics. Basic cubs

I built a grabblers. one guy built a Armor ripper. and one guy built DPS and one guy built a healer. That St ran it like a MMPORPG raid. We should have fucking died. but we scratched out a win. Broke bodies and wounded souls, But the plan worked just enough. those guys were unplayable at that point but the story of a few dicks holding out for someone else, was satisfying. Like our actions and choices mattered. And thats really the whole take away now that I think about it. That was what made it a good game

We needed to last X turns, we lasted exactly X turns. We lost but at least they didn't win. that kind of victory condition

Coming off of that game I had high hopes for more good games. but after NYC I just felt salted. I went from a war movie to being forced to play house. Really it's just a tale of poor focus, and a destruction of disbelief.

Then why are you backpedalling?

Reread the statement

>This is correct. Just don't take a wrong turn into furry yiffing eco terrorists. They are literally the worst
Specifically the yiffing part is the problem

Corax are hilarious creatures.

Just pay them in little mirrors and bread.

So how does the Ordo Dracul go about founding a new chapterhouse? Do they just gather up three kindred they don't like and say "Hey, you're going here now, have some books. You get to be Sworn of the Dying Light, you, with the retard strength, you get to be sworn of the axe. And you, the oldest one, you're a sworn of the mysteries and a twilight judge now. Congratulations. Get fucking lost. Don't ever come back."

Or is there some passage somewhere I've missed?

Will there ever be new rules for Alchemy? I remember Alchemy in Tome of the Mysteries being really awful.

There are the Alchemist from promethean. They are 100% promethean cèntric because they only want to use their Pyros, but they are OK.

There is probably one guy who is leading the founding of the chapter house who has to request it years in advance, write a 50 page report that the territory claimed won't overlap any other territory and can support the amount of spooky draculas you are bringing with you. Approval also requires you build and maintain the hierachy expected by the bloodpopes.

I should also tell you I am a passing asshole from Veeky Forums who read one wiki article on ordo dracul and made my own connections from there.

Should have specified I meant 'in another city' with all the travel and idiocy that involves for Vampires, but you're probably not far off.

Here's a question: how do various monsters deal with a decaying city?

At some point Detroit isn't going to be able to support the amount of vampiric parasites that live there but San Francisco or Fort Lauderdale might be experiencing population growth. Is there a known process for Bite Flight?

Final death. Travel is something for Gangrel or old, rich ventrue who can afford it. There's a pretty good chance any vampire leaving the cities is going to run into real problems, either from sunlight or running into Something Else.

Vampires tend to avoid sucking blood from the homeless, because they wind up becoming carriers for things like herpes, HIV and things.

Would a Moros make a good friend to a Vampire?

Like a polar opposite of an Obrimos, maybe?

I expect that Obrimos aren't all about 'fuck you vampires', and Moros are all about 'death as the great changer', so they might be more hostile than Obrimos.

There's probably some low-wisdom Obrimos out there living with a small coterie. Their night to night activities would basically be slapstick.

>Detroit
Civil War into Hunters or some other outside force.
Basic Conflict of resources

Thats sort of ridiculous. Is there a scholarship opportunity they can apply to receive? If you're just 30 years away from making a big discovery, then certainly the grand poohbah of your state would be willing to fund your travel in return for some unspeakable favor.

Oh, sure, you can do that. It's just that the special requirements of vampiric travel mean to do it *right*, you're either hoofing/winging it and melding into the ground between cities or you're absurdly rich and can rent out a private jet to fly mysterious coffins around after making the jet light-tight.

I don't think there are any vampires who claim entire states, but you could beg, borrow and steal your way to safe travel, one way, sure. Or risk it by jamming yourself into a plane's belly, that sort of thing. But regular, safe travel? Gangrel, rich ventrue. Your bite flight might just involve something like 30% of the population getting ashed as they bolted from the city in half-assed transit schemes.