/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

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You don't want a sweet dorky monster husbando that you can ride adventuring by day and then ride "to relieve stress" by night?

What are you gay or something?

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>I hate those crazy cult bitches

It's not just the mostly furry bestiality, but also the vampire necrophilia that is so disturbing.

>Once you go mage, you never go back
>Supernal Sexual Supremacy

I had a reaction one step further.
I cancelled my game, being unable to stomach the kind of awful horseshit that the rules permit.

Examples:
Shielding against the SNF
Using Velocity Control to multiply the cosmic speed at which an object is travelling through the universe
Using Shielding against Matter to stop oxygen from oxygenating another's blood, causing them to rapidly asphyxiate.
Abusing Exceptional Luck to render the spellcasting system pointless.
Using Shifting Sands to redo entire scenes from the start, knowing full well what is going to happen, entirely killing all of the drama.
Never fucking listening when I clearly explain what Divination can and cannot tell you about the future, and attempting to use it as a "how do I solve this problem" spell.

So, what would Deep Ones be in the CofD?

SNF ?

Strong Nuclear Force.
The thing that keeps the nucleus of the atom together.

>but also the vampire necrophilia that is so disturbing.

They're intelligent CONSCIOUS corpses. They also don't rot and can actually have sexual intercourse.

Beastiality is worse.

Guess Kinetic Shield is still engendering salt. People need to relax. Players don't get to make up whatever shit they want in Creative Thaum and put it in play while the ST watches them destroy his campaign, tears silently streaming down his face. He can adjust it with costs and limits however he likes. Shit, just going by Alchemist's Touch, it could have plenty. At standard you only get immunity to bashing, then lethal reduced by Potency. +2 Reach to get immunity to lethal as well and agg reduced by Potency.

Why are you lying?

That's not really how Shielding works.

Mages can be powerful and obey the RAW. It seems it wasn't Mage the game that was the problem, but rather asshole players who hadn't read or understood the book.

Alternative the dm can say before the game starts:

A) guys dont try to break the game.
B) mage is gonna be a mother may i kind of game and i dont care what the rulebook or that edgelord dave says.
C) The following spells are banned.....

Cryptids caused by the god machine. Probably denizens of a pocket dimension/interstitial geography thing beneath the ocean.

Alternatively, changelings, or fish shifters.

Huh... Fish shifters deep ones. Not a bad idea.

>shields self from gravity
>flies away

What does Dave say that you should ignore, and what spells would you ban?

>and what spells would you ban?
all of them, we're playing hunter instead now

>They're intelligent CONSCIOUS corpses.

If don't know if that makes the necrophilia any better.

I would certainly hope that even in the CofD, when the vampire's sexual partner realized all bodily fluids were blood (and their partner was dead), they would grab their clothes and run out screaming (if they weren't subject to rapey mind control powers).

Changeling sex doesn't seem as terrible as the furry werewolf and beast bestialty and vampire and promethean necrophilia.

I'm not sure about my feelings about Demon sex. It seems akin to masturbation with a robotic sex doll. Kinky and sad, but not biblical levels of crazy bad.

>we're playing hunter instead now

Definitely cannot have Awakened mages without wholesale nerfing or the Hunters are fucked.

who cares about the superhero splat we're playing hunter instead
let's go bag something big

Okay grandpa.

We will stay away from that naughty sex stuff until marriage. We promise.

>grab their clothes and run out screaming

Dude, I can't honestly say that if it happened tonight that it would be the weirdest sex I've had this week.

And it's a Sunday afternoon where I'm at.

That said, Vampires are at least generally human shaped. I'm not sure I could bang a werewolf chick. At least not in wolf form. They are still human at least sometimes.

>when the vampire's sexual partner realized all bodily fluids were blood
So no chances of getting pregnant?

Bonus. Will not run.

All can you say you love your girlfriend if you don't love her in ALL her forms?

No lie, this is the kind of shit people use, and I'm sick of it.
I guess I'm kinda at fault for mentioning such things to them, and they took that as carte blanche to do so.

Nah m8, DaveB popped up in the CofD Discord and confirmed that stuff like Shielding against Oxygen can be used to suffocate people to death.
Pissed me right off when I read it too.

>REEEEE MAGES TOO STRONG

Why are you still lying? Everything you're talking about is shit that's been proposed as being possible in this general, some of it very recently.

Being proposed as possible, asked if possible, or just brought up as shitposting.

You see, maybe I'm weird, but I see love and emotional closeness on a separate axis from physical attraction.

Every girl I've ever been involved with is basically just a close friend I also wanted to bang.

I like a lot of my guy friends as much, if not more. I just don't want to fuck them.

There's also people I hate and fear that I would smash raw given half a chance.

So the idea of dating a shapeshifter who can shift into a form I'm not attracted to doesn't seem weird to me. Her turning into a dog wouldn't bug me, I just have no interest in fucking a dog.

You're at least man enough for Dalu form, right?

Maybe they read these threads.

If you're a submissive necrophiliac, vampires are a very lucky break for you.

Buddy you better grow a pair and fuck that fucking dog.

Yeah, I know. I proposed most of it.
Then told it to my players.
They liked it.
And now I've sworn off Mage.

But I'll still write Legacies if you fags want them.

>Maybe they read these threads.
Or you're lying. I also doubt that Dave said that you could suffocate people with Matter Shielding, and if he did then you're probably misrepresenting what he said.

Sounds like you should have sworn off your players, if you aren't lying.

So I guess I only have myself to blame.
Still, only some of those problems are related to creative thaumaturgy.

You can't easily GM fiat Exceptional Luck and Shifting Sands away.
At least, not without losing all of the rulebook's integrity, given that those two are integral, important spells for their respective Arcanum.

He said it falls under the same situation as suffocating people with Ban, in that you talk with your GM about how fast they die.
Which honestly should be pretty damn fast, as they completely lose all access to oxygen.

Quite possibly. I have no faith in online games any more.
And it's hard as shit to find IRL players who either care enough, or have the right attitude.

>Once you go mage, you never go back

Maybe if you have a fetish for circlejerks.

Quick mage question (1e), Arcana determines how good you are within a sphere.

What's Gnosis the measure of? Power level?

I feel like both scenarios play out like Shaquille O'Neil shoving his dick in a red velvet cake.

>He said it falls under the same situation as suffocating people with Ban, in that you talk with your GM about how fast they die.
Easy solution, +2 Reach to use Shielding to actively affect non-harmful things instead of being a shield.

Yes. Base dicepool for casting is Gnosis + Arcanum rating.

Not a bad plan Stan

I'm kinda into in from the other way around. I wanna smooch girl monsters basically all the time. Would it be weird to put that down as an aspiration for my hunter?

>You can't easily GM fiat Exceptional Luck and Shifting Sands away.
You need Reach for both. To affect spellcasting rolls and go back prolonged periods, respectively. For an Apprentice of Fate, that's Gnosisx2 to a Paradox roll if they instant cast it. For a Disciple of Time that's one Reach per scene undone, Gnosisx1 if they just go back one scene using instant casting. The only way I could see these spells being real gamechangers for weaker Mages is if they ritually cast them, and ritually casting spells, or otherwise preparing for situations in advance, is meant to be a huge boon to Mages. And you could always do what I do when I have to, careless, overt manipulations of Time and Fate are illegal in the Consilium. I also picked up a cool concept from this one book about a time traveler, that the past does not want to be changed and that it'll fight whoever tries to change it every step of the way.

Acanthus players have accused me of persecuting them more than once.

Not at all. Though as the chronicle goes on it might get you beat up, depending on the theme.

These threads belong in /trash/ at this point

In a lot of the organizations it might get you killed. In Ashwood Abbey it might get you looked at as a bore.

The invasion that would happen after the transference would at least be hilarious.

Have you seen some of the generals on Veeky Forums? We are practically saints.

Abyssals or outsiders pissed at a mage messing with time too much are a fun story hook.

Didn't the summoners have the men in black? Style them like that. Guys in black who show up talking funny.

This is the only general I visit that is in a near perpetual state of inner flamewars, bating, and falseflagging. I'm not even sure what's causing it, other game with blatant power imbalances inside them don't get like this, nor games with long overdrawn content droughts either.

>I'm not even sure what's causing it

Old, old WoD in the 90s basically was a breeding ground for really intense fluff arguments and they started patterns and divisions that nothing will ever erase since they are now part of the culture.

All you need to instantly go back one scene, is 3 reach.
One for instant, one for scene-travel, one for scene duration.

For a Gnosis 1-2 Mage with Time 3, that's 2 Paradox dice. Changed to a chance die by a dedicated tool, and for which you need literally NO negative dice pool modifires.
So assuming Gnosis 1, Time 3, Dedicated Path Tool, that's 5 dice for casting, with a chance die for Paradox.

For a Gnosis 3 Mage with Time 3, that's 4 Paradox dice. Odds are that will generate only one success, even without mitigation, which you can contain with your Wisdom.
But assuming dedicated too, that's 7 dice casting pool, with 2 paradox dice.

This shit is easy, don't try and pretend otherwise.

See, that makes a bit of sense, but where was it before? I've visited these threads a few years back and things were fine and dandy, was there some spark that lit the powder keg that I missed?

>other game with blatant power imbalances inside them don't get like this

Gee, I wonder what Pathfinder is?

Unless I'm misinterpreting, thats exactly what I'm talking about. Go check the pathfinder general right now, you won't see entire threads taken up by people wanking/bitching about how much stronger wizards are, it's barely talked about.

It isn't a flame war. It is a bait that is constantly taken. Since people now want to do it 'for the lulz' like it is some sort of tradition, it just repeats itself.

You notice how much better the end of the last thread was when we were discussing what the ten photographs could be about? That is this thread on normal.

If people just ignored all shitstirring posts, we could discuss lore, help with builds, etc.

Is a werewolf even bestiality? They're not actually wolves OR humans. They're a separate, fully sapient species.

Considering that they're half spirit it's really more like fucking a minor deity.

It's even easier to go back multiple scenes, at Gnosis 1, as you can spend 1 point of Mana for each scene.

To go back 6 scenes, would be 8 paradox.
Impose a -2 penalty to make the duration one day, add in High Speech, and Dedicated Tool.

Even if your tool isn't of an appropriate sort, that's 4 dice (7 with Willpower), and 6 paradox dice. Throw in a little bit of mana, and you can decrease that even further. Or perhaps take the Paradox Condition on your chin, and then Pattern Scour it away for 1 Lethal.

Congratulations, for at worst 1 resistant Lethal and a point of Willpower, a Gnosis 1 starting Mage with 3 Time can redo what is likely an entire day. And the only way you can stop that, is if you for some reason decide to throw in another Mage who for some reason wants to and has the means to dispel that spell.

My gut says Beast coming out just soured everyone.

IT makes it fundamentally not Necrophilia, the point of necrophilia is that the corpse is non-responsive, the ultimate submissive in a way, because necrophiliacs are so socially dysfunctional that they can't cope with a partner that can react in any way they can't control.
A vampire is a sentient animated entity that can pass for a living being if you don't look to closely and don't know the signs - it's not necrophilia.

Only the arguments usually aren't about Beast. I think people widely agree that Beast has problems, so if anything, it's bringing people together. Thanks Onyx Path!

It used to be that Aspel would say something silly or derail and all the arguments would revolve around then. Without them, shitposting about power levels is all that's left.

Gnosis one can only spend one mana per turn yeah? So it isn't really instant anymore right? (Unless you already mentioned that, in which case ignore me)

I suppose one of us must take up his mantel

Beast is objectively the best game line white wolf has ever put out.

>think people widely agree that Beast has problems, so if anything, it's bringing people together

Kumbaya, all splats should band together to wipe out the menace that are beasts!

I eagerly await the Genocide Chronicle.

That's fair. But if you're worried about that, you can just hop back one scene first, before there was danger, and then cast your major rewind spell from the safety you gain from the first spell.

Good luck getting that going when all supernatural people have that inherent automatic like of beast.

>Beast is objectively the best game line white wolf has ever put out.

So, how 'bout them important lessons...

True. Jump back a scene then ritual cast the rest of the way.

I think that negative feelings stirred by it needed some outlet, ran down familiar channels, and now the faggotry has reached classic 90s levels or something.

Another glorious day to be a Magefag

>Good luck getting that going when all supernatural people have that inherent automatic like of beast.

That's why mages will lead the vanguard of beast destruction. They only tolerate beasts by default, and their magic can knock sense into the other splats about how their beast love is forced, artificial and wrong.

Something something bigots, punch a nazi, all people who don't think the way I do need violence and abuse to be corrected

You are all very bad at this. Someone post some prime Aspel derails or something for reference.

That's a strangely interesting mental image.

That said, it reminds me of a cross chronicles game I play in once. I was a Ahru Child of Gaia and our group was tasked with checking out a casino ran by a mage, a vampire, and a werewolf (forgot what tribe he was from) anyways, long story short I put on some weird ring I got from a Fae lady and the next thing I know I wake up in my wolf form (the one after Crinos) having smashed the table beneath me and the party telling me there was reports of some naked lady riding a weird dog thing in the alleyways Lady Godiva style.

so yeah I gave the fey the wolf cock.

Can vampires learn blood magic outside the order of the crone?

Asking for a friend.

>Asking for a friend

Oh no you fucking DON'T! I know a vampfag when I see one. Get out.

1e, sorry. Should have clarified.

No, I'm seriously asking for a friend. I roll Mage, and we're in a crossover game.

Currently I'm trying to figure out how to link Artifacts and/or enchanted items to make my pocket dimension permanent.

But user. I play Demon. I have zero fondness for even gayer Changelings.

Alright here's one: The God-Machine is morally in the right, every other splat is existing in rebellion to it.

The god-machine doesn't have morals.

>Someone post some prime Aspel derails or something for reference.

Beasts are so nice and special that they deserve their own pronouns.

If you don't agree with me, you are mentally ill and a Nazi.

I don't see it. Mages are too busy infighting to rebel against shit.

Stop lying. Come out of the closet, you vampfaggeroo.

>The god-machine doesn't have morals.

But it does have standards; even the GM doesn't like beasts.

How does one fuck the God-Machine?

Bonus: Without going insane

Name a worse general I'll fucking wait