Is this the best power system created?

Explanation from reddit i know i know
>Emitters can project their aura in certain shapes and forms outside of their body. The key difference though is that these projections are not actual objects. They are made of pure aura. Conjured objects are literal objects. The fish that Chrollo conjures are actual fish. If you were to cut it open it would have innards. However, Goreinu emits his gorillas. Therefore if you were to cut one open it would be made of pure nen on the inside. No innards. Also emitted things cannot be seen by non nen users.

After all nen is still poorly explained and basically unveiled plotfroce.

Transmuters change the qualities of their own aura, while Manipulators manipulate corporeal beings or objects.
Specialisation is miscellaneous, but it occupies a fixed position between Manipulation and Conjuration.
Emitters can maintain their aura at full strength over longer distances while Conjurers can solidify their aura into corporeal objects.

What parts do you feel is poorly explained?

I'm going over the show as a whole, not just energy-gas gorillas VS meat fish.

How is an economy in that setting even a thing? As shown in the show you can just put up (fairly random) limiters upon your own power to boost it sky high in other aspects.
How about: "I can only transumte/conjure gold ?"
"I can only conjure/transmute things to Food"
"I can only use my power on mondays" would't even that alone multiply the power sevenfold ?

How was the whole Nen island arc even a thing ?
If emission needs to be sustained and cunjured objects stay, isn't emission then just a ghetto version of Conjure ?

Later on in the show there was this dude who was said to be really strong, white long hair and training the two MC's. Now the baller is his power was a literal clown roulette. He had his weapons determined by chance alone and stated himself that some of those are "less than ideal" shit . What kind of writing is this? Did he jut go every other time he had a bad weapon "Sorry mate, mind to come back later ?" and his emeny went "k, no prob mate" to get his ass kicked ?.
And then was the time where one of the characters had his powers limited to only work against a certain group of people. And that alone worked and throws up too many questions for one post alone.

>How about: "I can only transumte/conjure gold ?"
That's not how Transmutation works and enjoy getting the shit murdered out of your defenseless ass by government-sponsored Hunters for trying to crash the economy.

>"I can only conjure/transmute things to Food"
That's not how Transmutation works and enjoy being a no-star Gourmet Hunter, because you lack the ablities that would allow you to make extraordinary experiences to turn into superlative food.

>"I can only use my power on mondays" would't even that alone multiply the power sevenfold ?
You're fucked come Tuesday.

>How was the whole Nen island arc even a thing ?
A massive cooperative effort by a bunch of extremely powerful, skillful and crazy bastards.

>If emission needs to be sustained and cunjured objects stay, isn't emission then just a ghetto version of Conjure ?
Different applications, different limitations and different synergies with adjacent Nen types.

>Did he jut go every other time he had a bad weapon "Sorry mate, mind to come back later ?" and his emeny went "k, no prob mate" to get his ass kicked ?
Crazy Slot can only be released by using the conjured weapon. So in a pinch, he could just use it and reroll.

>And then was the time where one of the characters had his powers limited to only work against a certain group of people. And that alone worked and throws up too many questions for one post alone.
Only Chain Jail is limited to Spiders and he used a different ability (Judgment Chain) to impose the Limitation that would kill him if he ever used Chain Jail against anyone else.

Pretty much what I was going to write but to add on to this:

Nen does not persist indefinetly. You could probably conjur food or metals or something but that would be a waste of your powers and, like the other user said there are other hunters who'd track you don't and fuck you side ways for trying to mess things up like that.

Kourtopi for example could make perfect copies of anything he touched with his right hand but they don't persist and naturally dispell after a while.

Only in EXTREMELY rare cases can Nen persist on it's own and it's not something you're going to actively go out of your way to try and find and maintain. Chorollo did this with the Sun and Moon Bombs he go and used it to maintain the puppets made using Gallery Fake and Order Stamp so he could have an army of self destructing clones he could through at Hisoka

When someone translate this to a rpg system it will be the best

>That's not how Transmutation works and enjoy getting the shit murdered out of your defenseless ass by government-sponsored Hunters for trying to crash the economy.
so that's not how transmutation works except when it does? Also my question was how an scarcity economy is a thing. Implied by you is that the economy is forcibly helf up by the goverment, which is pretty dystopian.

>That's not how Transmutation works and enjoy being a no-star Gourmet Hunter, because you lack the ablities that would allow you to make extraordinary experiences to turn into superlative food.
And again you say it does but doesn't, so that's how conjuration works? Anyway you wouldn't need to be a whatever-star gourmet snowflake, by simply beign able to create tons of grain at will you can crash the enomony, you know, usually food doesn't magically apear on your plate.

>You're fucked come Tuesday.
So that's at least a somewhat definitve yes.

>A massive cooperative effort by a bunch of extremely powerful, skillful and crazy bastards.
They literally had a card that could explicit cure ANY illness.
Also it brings up the question about how such a power is defindend and how it's kept running.

>Different applications, different limitations and different synergies with adjacent Nen types.
I summon forth shit to do shit for me, what's the difference ?

>Crazy Slot can only be released by using the conjured weapon. So in a pinch, he could just use it and reroll.
So he could have hit a tree instead of, you know, dying ?

>Only Chain Jail is limited to Spiders and he used a different ability (Judgment Chain) to impose the Limitation that would kill him if he ever used Chain Jail against anyone else.
So one could create a power that auto-attacks murderes which are close ?
Because a "group" is pretty hard to define, and there aren't that much murderers in a modern society either, which seems like a "i win" power.

all shit btw

It's obvious you're being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

Here's your (you) you so desperately wanted.

>so that's not how transmutation works except when it does?
That's not how Transmutation works period. Transmutation is changing the qualities of one's aura.
Nen users are scarce, Conjuration can only rarely be maintained indefinitely and each conjured object ties up a certain amount of aura. The existence of Nen does not turn society into a post-scarcity one.

>So that's at least a somewhat definitve yes.
No. Vows and limitations are not that simple. If the power was only useful on Mondays anyway, the power increase would be miniscule, for instance.

>Also it brings up the question about how such a power is defindend and how it's kept running.
Ask Ging and his team.

>I summon forth shit to do shit for me, what's the difference ?
You don't summon anything forth.
Emitters control raw aura and are able to maintain it far away from themselves while drawing on Manipulation and Enhancement techniques.
Conjurers can only maintain aura separate from their body by turning it into tangible corporeal objects that are much less flexible than raw aura and can mainly only draw on Transmutation techniques to modify their Conjurations.

>So he could have hit a tree instead of, you know, dying ?
The phrasing is unclear on that, but "using" a weapon probably involves wielding it against an actual opponent.

>So one could create a power that auto-attacks murderes which are close ?
Yes, but since you need to incorporate the ability to detect murderers and to track them in addition to constantly maintaining the power, it would be too weak to be of any use.

It's not especially better than any other manga's system.

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>When someone translate this to a rpg system it will be the best

Replace the spheres used in mage with those.

boom.

How does mage works?

It wasn't even that bad at the beginning. Sadly the author stopped giving a fuck and is really ramping up the asspulls in the later chapters

This wasn't a jab at the specific manga/author, it's just something I noticed a lot of lazy writers do, and shounen is full of those.

Which is why I get sorta... upset I guess? every time somebody is like "Wow, this manga is so cool, what game could I use to replicate the incoherent jumble of rules it has that get ignored anyway?", which proves that people STILL haven't caught and STILL stupid enough to think that setting rules like that are worth anything more than a funky fluff backdrop.

>How was the whole Nen island arc even a thing ?
Just like how Genthru and the bombers Countdown bomb work. Each user contributes their aura and category to make the overall ability work. Greed Island has 10 Nen users living on the island constantly and helping to oversee it and keep it in operations. Some people are adminsitrative and others like Razor contribute their aura to entire sections of the island (emissions systems)

How group abilities work is unknown and best left unexplained, but they exist.

>If emission needs to be sustained and cunjured objects stay, isn't emission then just a ghetto version of Conjure ?
Emissions and Conjuration have tradeoffs. An emitted object will disappear if you knock the user unconscious, a conjured object will persist. Emitted objects are as strong as the users aura, conjured objects are as strong as the thing they are supposed to be + whatever conditions or aura the user puts into it. But because Conjurers are further away from enhancement that means that Emitters will statistically be able to output a greater volume of aura than a conjurer.

>Later on in the show there was this dude who was said to be really strong, white long hair and training the two MC's. Now the baller is his power was a literal clown roulette. He had his weapons determined by chance alone and stated himself that some of those are "less than ideal" shit . What kind of writing is this? Did he jut go every other time he had a bad weapon "Sorry mate, mind to come back later ?" and his emeny went "k, no prob mate" to get his ass kicked ?.
His ability is explained. His stuff might be less ideal but he can't dispel them without using them first and he still went into a major fight with a number he didn't want. He makes them work in spite of their built in flaws.

>And then was the time where one of the characters had his powers limited to only work against a certain group of people. And that alone worked and throws up too many questions for one post alone.
You mean Kurapika, he had only one of his abilities made to work on a single target, that being Chain Jail. This is also in the same chapter that explains restrictions and conditions so I don't know what you are confused by.

Basically when you make an ability, if you impose restrictions you magnify the effect. He wanted to make a chain strong enough to restrain a specific group of people and take their power away, but in order to make a "really hard to break chain" he needed some other restrictions. This also included the condition that he will die if he uses that chain on anyone else which is enforced by Judgement Chain.

As far as manga power systems, it's one of the best. Very flexible and the execution has been overall good as far as writing goes. It's up there with Alchemy from FMA as far as I'm concerned for technical systems.

>>Crazy Slot can only be released by using the conjured weapon. So in a pinch, he could just use it and reroll.
>So he could have hit a tree instead of, you know, dying ?

Kite got the weapon he wanted since its the only time we see him not complain about a roll, he was just way to outclassed by his opponent to win even with the optimal weapon.

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There's 90 spheres of magic, Matter, Force, Death, Time, Spirit, Correspondence, Chance, Baklava, Mind, And Prime, a given number of dots in a sphere allows you do certain effects, usually the first dot allows you sense things to do with the sphere in question, 2nd to temprorarily manipulate things related to the sphere, 3rd allows you to permenantly change things, 4th allows you to temporarily create new things, 5th permenantly etc...

The idea is that how you achieve things doesn't matter, it's mostly fluff, and different mages do things in different ways and try to achieve different effects whose basic outcome is the same - so there's little diference between a hacker using spirit 2, correspondence 2 to hack into a door using his trinary quantum computer to open it vs. a spirit shaman getting high and talking to the spirits in a door to get them to open it for him.

So put relevent number of dots in a nen, that's your nen.

Magi did it better.

Magi's Magic system is interesting, but it got lost in the power-creep and now the only powers that matter are reality warping stuff. It did give one of the best arcs in the entire series though.

I love HxH but the Nen system was pretty stupid imo.
>Enhancer is alright, it fit's the MC well but it's rather boring and limited in what it can do
>Manipulator has just been shown to ass
>Conjuration is strong as fuck, being able to make objects on the fly and you can even make the objects invisible or have other crazy abilities
>Emission is pretty much kamehameha type attacks from what I understand, except for a few special cases that basically are conjurers... the nen gorilla thing

>and 'special' nen uses are just OC mary sues like Kurapika's red eye thing
the nen system was by far the weakest part of HxH imo

>>Manipulator has just been shown to ass
Manipulation is consistently the One hit kill ability set. If you land your ability on your opponent you take them out of the fight permanently. Otherwise you're someone like Morel who is by far one of the most competent characters in the series.

>Emission is pretty much kamehameha type attacks from what I understand, except for a few special cases that basically are conjurers... the nen gorilla thing
Emissions really boils down to either making energy balls of death, or making stands. It's not boring per se, and it's the only category to give access to direct teleportation.

>>Conjuration is strong as fuck, being able to make objects on the fly and you can even make the objects invisible or have other crazy abilities
Making your aura invisible is accomplished through a technique called 'in' however in the recent arc there now exists the idea that you can make a nen construct (either emissions or conjuration) completely invisible to all detection either for everyone but the target, or to the target themselves.

>Enhancers
They punch hard and tank hits, it's the balanced option. But being able to enhance your body let one man achieve punches that surpassed the speed of sound. And another guy took an RPG to the face and just got mad from it. It's not a flashy category I can agree.

>special' nen user
Since their skillset is basically "Anything not directly covered by the other categories" yeah, they can definitely feel that way.

Enhancing isn't just about strengthening your body. Nobunaga is also an example of an Enhancer except he's focused his ability on his speed and and practicing En to allow him to use Iaijutsu to the level that he does.

That said, people tend to forget about the basic and advance Nen techniques in regards to how to deal with nen in general

Early Naruto had an interesting one.

>Enhancing isn't just about strengthening your body
Which is why I brought up Netero and his sonic punch. You can push the limits of the human body to insane levels with enhancement.

>people tend to forget about the basic and advance Nen techniques in regards to how to deal with nen in general
It's an important facet, but people tend to focus on Hatsu instead of the other techniques. The series demonstrates that you need to have both a strong grasp on the fundamentals, as well as the ability to use whatever your own power is effectively. It's why someone like Biscuit can be a top tier character even though her Hatsu is just a Masseur that has magical lotions.

Hell, if anything practicing a particular nen ability could become a Hatsu by itself. I imagine some people are turned off by the flashiness of the Hatsu but if you think about it you could have a Hatsu where you just rapidly use Gyo on a bodypart to a degree that regular Nen users couldn't.

Imagine the Iron Toad from 5 Deadily Venom, this dude is clearly an Enhancer and has practiced Gyo and Ken to such a degree that he can practically maintain it 24/7 so even other Nen users would have a hard time hurting him unless their Nen was just stronger than his or had some clever way to bypass it (i.e. a limitation, these parts of my body are not covered by Ken/Gyo at all )

>Hell, if anything practicing a particular nen ability could become a Hatsu by itself.
Which is what Enhancers are king at. Gon, Uvo, and Phinks all have some variant of a 'Ko' punch that magnifies their aura at minimum 2-fold and at max enough to dwarf their original aura.

Early in the series Wing comments that if Kastro had just focused on refining his martial arts technique, his tiger bite attack would have been devastating. Nobunaga and Netero are the logical extension of that idea.

And even if someone doesn't go and make the other techniques part of some ability, just being able to maintain your Ren for longer than half an hour and being able to move your aura around precisely are certainly valuable skills.

And the important part about it is it's not overpowered because you still need vows and limitations to make it work.

So you're on the hook for trying to keep your vows and limitations secret unless someone is just that good in regards to Nen that they can deduce it by watching you a few times.

Or, since you brought up Castro, where you try to build up a technique of a Nen type that is far away from what you are. If you're an enhancer you have options and it lets you go a number of ways you can express it. I believe Netero was an Emitter and so is Ging. Hisoka is a transmuter but even being that far away from the enhancer tree all that means is he can't do shit like Uovgin can but he's already powerful in that regard by maximizing his Transmuter ability with his bungee gum and his emitter skill paper surprise.

>I believe Netero was an Emitter and so is Ging.
Netero is an enhancer, however his hatsu incorporates emissions and manipulation. Ging is still unknown although he demonstrates how mastery of aura control can be useful as he's able to mimic certain types of hatsu (like Leorio's warp punch) just from getting hit by them and then deducing the principle behind the attack. He also made his aura mimic an ultra-sound based on assumptions for Leorio's ability.

>his emitter skill paper surprise.
Texture surprise is conjuration since it can still be seen by non-nen Users.

So Emission is not telekinesis per sé, it's only direct attacks with aura that cannot affect the physical world directly, right? Only opponents with aura themselves and such (living), right?

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Fair enough although I believe it is stated that Ging is an emitter aside from his weird ability to copy techniques. He does that one thing similar to Leorio where he punches the ground and sends the aura across a hall to attack a group of guards on the other side.

No, regular people can still be affected by Nen but unless their aura nodes are opened and they learn the very bare basics of nen they can't see it and more importantly they can't defend themselves from it. A simple way to kill a normie is just to push your nen on them and you can kill them by destroying their body from the inside out.

This is also why the skill Zetsu is dangerous becouse while it allows you to be stealthy and recover from injury you are susceptable to Aura. It's how Knove was attacked when he tried to infiltrate the castle because he was using Zetsu to hide himself and lay the portals for his ability but he was mentally and physically harmed by the malice he felt.

>it's only direct attacks with aura that cannot affect the physical world directly, right?
No, aura can affect the real world. Emissions allows you to separate your aura from your body while retaining it's strength over distances. But aura itself can be felt and used as a weapon to anyone and anything.

For telekinesis you are looking at Manipulation, but that comes with the restriction that manipulators need a real world object to act as their conduit for their ability.

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For the purposes of games the age of the characters can be all over the place. Once you begin mastering Nen it drastically slows down your aging so it's not unusual for a group to have kids as well as people who are 60+ years old but then it's assumed the older you are the stronger you are (Biskey is 60 years old and Netero was like 120 years old, who knows how old his son Beyond is) That said, you could learn Nen late in life and still be physically powerful even before learning Nen (Gon and Leorio's natural strength before learning Nen)

Illumi BTFO

What's funny is in the uncut version Hisoka asked Illumi if he could rape Killua and that was what set Illumi off

I see, so it's just sheer, pure, phantom Aura, so to speak. To do a, say, flying hand (a la Master Hand in terms of aesthetics) made of Nen that can go and grab or crush or move around things I need more than just Emission, but Control you say? Someone was telling it was Transformation to give it some sort of substance, yet Razor and Goreinu could interact with actual things with their Nen beings.

Yeah, It's not as if you need some special level of control for Nen to actually do things like picking stuff up. Razor created beings out of Nen and they could interact with the world the same way the dude with the Nen gorillas could.

If you wanted to develope some kind of telekinesis power then how it looks and works depends upon you. It might take the form of a hand. It might take the form of a servent (because you could be wealthy and just use to people or things waiting on you). Shaping Nen is a part of the training process of controlling Nen and developing a Hatsu hence why they can look the way they do.

>To do a, say, flying hand (a la Master Hand in terms of aesthetics) made of Nen that can go and grab or crush or move around things I need more than just Emission, but Control you say?
There is actually a character that controls three floating hands through manipulation. He however uses conjuration to make the hands which means his hands are not only physically tangible, but made of matter instead of pure aura. But yes, you can also make pure aura hands and separate them from your body with Emissions. But to move them or animate them you will need that second category.

Everyone is capable of moving their aura while connected to their bodies, however if you want to move your aura in more complex ways manipulation will be needed. Abilities can incorporate multiple nen categories.

>Someone was telling it was Transformation to give it some sort of substance, yet Razor and Goreinu could interact with actual things with their Nen beings.
By definition, all aura can have substance. Transformation can allow you to give your aura a different property such as converting it to electricity, or making it sticky. It's not completely stated whether or not you need transformation to make your aura look like stuff such as the Nen beings, but I don't see many people pushing that angle anymore for transformation.

I watched S1 and then stopped since it sounds like it got really fucking stupid.

I haven't watched the anime myself, but season 2 covers one of the best arcs in the series. If you enjoyed S1 it's definitely worth your time to give S2 a shot.

However the manga does eventually go to shit but exactly when depends on the reader. But it happens well after what the anime covers.

I dropped it after the giant JRPG final boss battle in Magnostadt. Felt like a good ending of the series to me.

>Magnostadt
Yeah that's pretty much the best dark so if you want to keep going after that there still is some good stuff to come. And I'll just recommend falling off the Manga whenever you feel like it because eventually it is going to drag out.

it went even more JRPG final boss battle in the final arc

>asspulls

Speedreader or secondary detected. Reread the manga. There is nothing asspully about nen after death, the only thing slightly bad about the entire event was the "oh well fuck it" line Hisoka put in there. However his lust for blood is well documented and easily construable as a motivating grudge or curse tier mindset. You memeing fuck.

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