So, Synthwave is to Cyberpunk as Vaporwave is to

What kind of -punk is Hotline Miami again?

One of the big things with Vaporwave is that it tries to evoke nostalgia, even when the listener would have none, even where it does not exist, and even if it wasn't as good as the musician remembers. Junky technology, badly recorded videos, and often themes of people relying on drugs to feel anything. STALKER takes place in Post-soviet Ukraine that's doing so bad they almost miss the communism, even if it communism fucking up is what put them in their current bullshit in the first place. They use are junky dated Soviet-era firearms and technology, and of course they rely on vodka to feel anything resembling joy in the entire country, let alone the Zone.

Maybe Stalkerpunk wasn't the right term for it. Postsovietpunk? Whatever, my point is, Vaporwave's main theme is to fabricate nostalgia for good times that never really existed, which befits the post-soviet Ukraine and the struggle of the Stalkers quite nicely, I feel.

Coke punk.

Contrived but reasonable argument

Contrived and unreasonable sophistry

vaporwave isn't meant to evoke nostalgia in general it's meant to evoke nostalgia for late 80s/early 90s cheap pop culture

there is exactly ONE vaporwave album that matches your criteria (DROME- red dreams) and it's really a borderline case.

Stop being dishonest and admit that you're just trying to shoehorn your unrelated vidya taste in this thread

cheap american/japanese pop culture, more specifically

>synth; cyber
>vapor; steam

I don't actually like Stalker, I could never stay interested in it as a game, I just feel its aesthetic is the most befitting of it mostly because of that video I showed you
Why are you so hostile against me and Stalker as a whole, even

I'm not hostile to Stalker I'm hostile to you for drawing that asspulled comparison.

>I just feel its aesthetic is the most befitting of it mostly because of that video I showed you
Mostly because of ONE fucking video huh?
Is that video your only form of exposure to vaporwave or something? Cause that would be your only excuse for feeling that way.

I mean fuck it's like if I said "the aesthetic of thrash metal is most befitting for romantic comedy chick flicks" after seeing a video that splices footage from Bridesmaids with some Anthrax.

It's dumb.

Synthwave isn't cyberpunk at all. It's the kind of music to listen to when driving down the coast in your white Ferrari Testarossa with a cute blonde girl next to you. Or it's the kind of music you listen to when you're raiding a gang's hideout, MAC-10 in hand, to get your kidnapped girlfriend back. And it's the kind of music you listen when you're coming back from the dead and start stalking and killing your murderers in a brutal fashion one by one. Apart of the pictures on some CD covers, synthwave has nothing in common with cyberpunk.

>(as well as synthwave artists like Perturbator) to end up rejecting the genre
Are you referring to Perturbator's new EP, which doesn't sound quite like his other music?

Are you nuts? Perturbator absolutely feels like cyborg motorcycle gang violence in the dirty rundown streets of New New York, Neon street signs wizzing by faster than the lines of cocaine disappearing up your nose.

Don't forget the cyberdemon cult rituals

All I can think of is some kind of -punk that involves people just sitting around getting really drunk or stoned and not doing anything, but I don't think that -punk exists because nothing interesting would ever happen in it.

If vaporwave looks at the consumerism of the 1980s and says "Man, the future fucking sucks," then in a lot of ways STALKER is its Soviet counterpart. Memery included.

Those all sound like cyberpunk plotlines.

I think the argument could be made for a Vaporwave version of cyberpunk (Vaporpunk?) that replaces the corporate hellscape with a more socialistic dystopia.
Vaporwave is all about recycling old yet familiar sounds and images in new ways, but not TOO new. Cyberpunk relies on the now anachronistic version of the future where a Vaporpunk is intentionally anachronistic, due to cultural stagnation caused by civilization becoming immortal and achieving a light form of post-scarcity?
Similar to how Greeks have been idealized by Romans and others, the deification of specific cultural traits that define the typical Cyberpunk setting can be easily switched out by trying to capture the zeitgeist of another genre of music.

Perturbator does yes, as does Megadrive, but guys like Dance with the Dead, FM-84 and Kavinsky often have a different, lighter feel

Scandroid, yes. Perturbator and Noir Deco on some songs, yes, but on others not at all (Sexualizer album). Then you have artists like Trevor Something, Com Truise, Mitch Murder, Le Casette, FM-84, Kavinsky, Miami NIghts 84, FM Attack, Carpenter Brut, Alex, Lifelike, Bourgeoisie, Flash Arnold, Arcade High... that sound like possible 80s thrillers, horror or sci-fi movies but not at all like cyberpunk.

I thought Vaporwave was a joke

>Carpenter Brut
Well, there is Anarchy Road.

Like all memes, the joke was taken too far

Saying Carpenter Brut sounds cyberpunk because of Anarchy Road, is like saying Perturbator doesn't sound cyberpunkish because of Meet Jimmy. But that's just my opinion and anyone may disagree.

Everyone has different music tastes. If you want to put Lazerhawk, Power Glove, Perturbator and Carpenter Brut during your cyberpunk sessions, because you find it suits your style of cyberpunk best, more power to you. Personally, I find industrial music and its derivative more suited.

>Vaporwave is that it tries to evoke nostalgia
Isn't that chillwave?
youtu.be/oF9yHO-UUws

>Dance with the Dead
>lighter
Nigga please
youtube.com/watch?v=eMm1rP-m_YM

There's also Midnight Romeo. their first album was more dance-rock however their second one is definitively inspired by that kind of synthwave that would be inspired from living in Quebec instead of Miami.

Cancer.

I personally am waiting until somebody takes Filthy Frank videos and invents Frankwave before I declare X-Wave taken too far.

It's the music for the masses of legitimately employed citizens of the cyberpunk setting. The office drones, the secretaries, the engineers, and middle management.
It's actually fitting of the vaporwave themes of empty consumerism and a nostalgia for the good times that never were.

Enjoy some FrankWave
youtu.be/w28NKJJHPZM

Little bitta both

Memewave is shit and you know it. The true music for cyberpunk is 80s metal.

He's trying really, really hard to defend and maintain the purity of a genre that is almost entirely without merit

Probably autism

I just wanna thank you all for the suggestions, /mu/ has literally nothing on you guys. Veeky Forums best board, unironically.

Vaporwave. It's an aesthetic and a genre.

Vaporwave is the Thomas Pynchon of music.

>So, Synthwave is to Cyberpunk as Vaporwave is to...

Punky Brewster

Modempunk.

Not all synthwave is cyberpunk, but a large portion of synthwave artists were inspired by Neuromancer, Blade Runner, AKIRA and the like.

Any synthwave song/album that allows me to envision cyberpunk imagery instead of pure '80s imagery is cyberpunk in my book.

Like these.

youtube.com/watch?v=ldwg3eXiISM

youtube.com/watch?v=wUK3vqzECaA

youtube.com/watch?v=BP1C-W8A69s

youtube.com/watch?v=wfxDIyYU9nM

youtube.com/watch?v=CVGyzHJkOQ4

Synthwave is a music genre, what did you think it was?

This is great, thanks user

Gotta get a grip punk. Acidpunk?

I've used all those artists for Cyberpunk 2020 games

It's not because I wouldn't use it, that you shouldn't. If you like it and find it fits your campaign, use it. Personally, I find that industrial/noise/dark ambient/metal music fits the genre better, but that's my personal opinion.

Stuff I used: Scorn, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, KMFDM, Velvet Acid Christ, Atari Teenage Riot, Killing Joke, Imminent Starvation, Lustmord, Sonar, Suicide Commando, Haujobb, Pitshifter, Gridlock, Slayer, Synapscape, Hypnoskull, Fear Factory, Monte Cazazza, Robert Rich, and some more.

Now, I'd use much simpler soundtrack. I'd keep two long ambient tracks that play as background music most of the time. One track would be something neutral like space ambient. The other track would be dark ambient for the more desperate/depressing moments. The tracks are set on track repeat so I don't have to fiddle with my media player. Then, I'd keep one or two more rhythmic tracks for combat. Again, the tracks must be repeatable so I don't have to fiddle with the media player during combat and I don't want to have a hard cut when the track repeats (vidya music is well suited for that). Finally, I'd maybe keep one or two more tracks for night club/bars. I'd use some kind of industrial mix for that.

What's the difference between -wave and -core?

The letters

I would say that "wave" genres are usually derivative from other genres or inspirations, but I am talking out of my ass here.

was that not normal punk? you know, before the dye and piercings stuff

Wait are we talking about 80s Synthwave (electrowave/technowave) ...

...or the 2000s "Synthwave" that just badly apes John Carpenter soundtracks?

>Synthwave isn't cyberpunk
>Describes cyberpunk without mentioning hacking

What did he mean by this?

I could argue that all of those things informed Cyberpunk at some point so it ends up being a wash. All of those are on my Netrunner playlist.

>TFW you will never record a Neuromancer radiology with a Perturbator soundtrack

>Industrial

Mixed with Synthwave and J-Rock styled punk with some touches of Jazz for a noir feel. Cyberpunk playlists get pretty diverse.

>I'm not hostile to Stalker I'm hostile to you for drawing that asspulled comparison.
You still come across as a really angry faggy nerd regardless
Chill the fuck out and stop caring so fucking hard about >muh shitty music genre gets misinterpreted

Kel

>one man clapping

>don't discuss things unless you agree with me

Those tropes are very generic. Change the Ferrari for a horse, the top model gf for a princess, the MAC-10 for a long sword, gangsters for orcs, and the buildings for castle and huts and you'd have classic heroic fantasy.

You mean industrial.

industrial music fits cyberpunk more than synthwave

Industrial music is best.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYGKCanqfA
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVGDJmSrrS8
m.youtube.com/watch?v=EFL1-fL-WtM
m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEblqAqaojg
m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfUr5cGZWI
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq4tiS6-MD0

The original 80s Synthwave is very similar to Industrial except using a synth and other electronic stuff as the main drive instead of guitars.

I was calling you out for acting like a turd, not for disagreeing.

Synthwave is library music 80s
Vaporwave is the mainstream music 80s

There is the microgenre called memoradelia (also called hauntology) that became famous at 2009 that was the 70s library music one

Ghost box the list could go on....

Por que no los dos?

Synthwave is for driving at night and nothing else.

I love using music in my cyberpunk 2020 games, and alot of different genres too. Hell they once raided a night club to kidnap a rival gangmember while multiple synthwave artists dj'd