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I'm guessing chaos is going to get access to neat necron things unavailable to necrons themselves.
Easton Ward
Will Tau ever be good again in 8e?
Logan Reed
Repostan because thread change.
Is two Dunecrawlers enough serious anti-tank weaponry for a 2k match or should I pick up another SC box and go for three? Normally armies tend to drop a couple vehicles into a list rather than main them here, but they're usually Land Raiders or Leviathan Dreads or similar big smashy things. Admech seems to only really have this one option for anti-tank, which is basically about 2.5 lascannons. I can't help but feel that despite energy shields and stubbers Dunecrawlers aren't quite on the level of las-preds which IIRC are only about 40 more points and have more gun. Maybe I should supplement my 'Crawlers with some Ballistarii lascannon?
Tell me 40kg, are there any female Guard models that aren't garbage tier? I want to run a lot of 10 as Acolytes to roll with Greyfax. Intending to kit the squad 50-50 Storm Bolters and Plasma Guns. I know Victoria Minis does a bunch of okay-ish stuff, but the scale always seemed a little too small so I was wondering if there was anything better out there.
Jonathan Peterson
Why shouldn't I take lascannon hwt over mortars as a.m.?
Christopher Barnes
No.
They're hated viscerally by a lot of the fanbase, including the playtesters, and their playstyle makes for very unfun games if they're too strong. Unfun games drive away new players ergo GW is especially cautious with letting Tau get gud ergo they listen to the playtesters closely regarding Tau balance ergo Tau get deservedly SHAT UPON for how fucking bullshit they were in 7th.
Ryan Smith
>unavailable to necrons themselves ?????
Charles Perez
It would be easier to list the things that didn't change. Just go read the rulebook, it's only got like 15 relevant pages.
Andrew Carter
Necron version is just a power sword compared to the reroll invun of the xenophase sword.
Ryan Cox
Entirely different uses.
Connor Rivera
Are you retarded, those weapons have nothing in common.
Eli Hall
Feedback on a list would be appreciated lads; its really just a case of me adding a 500 pointish Vanguard detachment to my tentative 1000 Primaris list, but it does look like it’ll be fun and help with the current lack of anti armor. The Cataphractii captain will be modelled and painting up in Legion of the Damned colours too for fluffy fun and Eversors are just neat.
1500 point force
Outrider Detachment, White Scars Tactics
Primaris Librarian with Force Sword and Stormseer Hood
Contemptor Dread with Multimelta and Storm Bolter +CCW
Inceptors with Assault Bolters x 3
Inceptors with Assault Bolters x 3
Inceptors with Assault Bolters x 3
Hellblasters with Plasma Incinerators x 5
Vanguard Detachment
Captain in Cataphractii Armor with Combi Melta and Chainfist
Legion of the Damned x 5 with Multimelta
Legion of the Damned x 5 with Multimelta
Eversor Assassin
Carter Mitchell
You gotta remember that Crawlers have invu save over Preds which is huge, and guaranteed you've got something in your list to repair them.
Thing is, with the Admech book right around the corner I'd be making no big decisions just yet, there could be a Forgeworld rule or stratagem that changes everything.
Nathan Ward
Only 3rd party stuff.
Charles Reed
Two Neutron Dunecrawlers works just fine for me. Las Preds have more guaranteed shots but Neutron lasers never do less than 3 damage, have more AP, and has a higher strength. Also you have to take into account all of the re-rolls AdMech has access to and the fact that canticles can give Dunecrawlers a cover bonus.
In fact most people I see suggesting lists generally suggest 2 Neutron Dunecrawlers and a 3rd with an Icarus Array.
Cameron Carter
I can't argue that Tau were designed poorly to play against for most players.
But people need to stop spewing that Tau were OP in 7th, they were mid tier, a good Eldar, Daemons, Imperium, GSC, Necrons, Imperial Knights army would walk all over Tau.
Justin Moore
Pure Tau was 5th place in the rankings. That's not mid-tier.
Riptides allied to Eldar was in the tippety top tier.
Jaxon Baker
Riptide spam was broken no matter how much you try to say Tau were just fine in 7th.
Angel Parker
There is a literal tranny who started frequenting my local WH store. Take a guess what army he/she/it is building
Thomas Lee
You shouldn't be able to spam riptides. Obviously they need to reintroduce the unit limit rules.
Wyatt Campbell
Sisters of Battle?
Cameron Bailey
Gene Stealers.
Angel Rodriguez
Tau were the biggest fish in the (mono codex) mid-range ponds.
The rulebook just adds fluff and extra missions/scenarios
Ryder Turner
I can't wait for DG to come out and shit all over that Assassins army with their 77million mortal wound auras that will hit every single model in the Assassinstar individually.
Eli Cook
But they had two Codices, that I know of. Standard and Far sight enclaves.
Sebastian Lee
>top 5 out of 22 >middle tier What the fuck kind of tier list is that supposed to be?
Ian Powell
Farsight codex was "Suits are troops and 8 Named characters you must buy as a 1300 point lump"
Jeremiah Gray
Because a HWS with lascannons has at most 3 shots per turn, and with BS 4+ on average half of those will miss. A HWS with mortars on the other hand has an average of 10.5 shots and they can shoot at enemies they cannot see, and the mortar costs only 1/4th of a lascannon.
But mostly I think you've misinterpreted what people have been saying about mortars, the reason people have been talking about them is because they have become much better than they were in 7th, that doesn't make them good at everything If your list lacks anti tank or your opponent/local meta uses a lot of tanks lascannons will definitely be the best option for your HWT.
Jason Stewart
It's Tau_______
Jason Thomas
I use LasLasAuto HWS with orders to help clean up the shots. They seem pretty solid, some cold dice will lose you big shots though. Also I don't have mortars for them anymore but I might proxy it and try this out.
Austin Parker
A actual TIER list.
With tiers, as in steps, or levels upon which a set of armies reside.
It's not a "1-22 army power level ranking"
Daniel Turner
Yeah, and in what fucking world is 5th of 22 "middle tier". If you're in the top 25% you aren't middle tier.
Julian Bailey
That LasLasAuto seems like it could be interesting, I should try that.
Thanks user
Blake Cox
I bring 2 sets and try and have them cross fire the map. One is normally in range for Orders/Yarrick and one I just have to pray for good dice.
Blake Rogers
Are they passable or is it a grognard in a beard and miniskirt?
Luis Jenkins
I don't feel like its based off a pure ranking out of 22 (also is GSC missing?) its more of a median or highest mode?
Looking at it like this makes sense
Tyler Gonzalez
Now all I need to do is find heavy weapon slots in my lists that isn't filled with basilisks
Kevin Powell
So how viable will fielding Magnus and Mortarion be? What would be good third LoW for such lists? Dual Gattling Knight?
Jace Kelly
It's going to be so fucking stupid.
David Lopez
I wouldn't go as far as saying it's CWC tier, but pretty close. Picture a man with female hairdo and clothes and pretty big hormone grown milkbags
Nicholas Stewart
>CWC tier What does this mean
Austin Smith
...
Tyler Wright
In a normal game? useless. Free target for lascannons. Could knock one down a turn without effort.
Ryan Bennett
You don't know who Christian Weston Chandler is?
Ayden Garcia
Tiers are not set to fit the numbers it's a can or can not tier.
How does Tau belong on the same tier as an army they fall 20-40% behind in points?
You may note that many in mid tier all have blunt stops, that is the hard cap of the codex's performance, where neither skill nor experience could take them beyond.
That is close to the original shape of the chart. Split into top, mid, low and shit.
Colton Wilson
AAAA KILL IT WITH FIRE
Why the fuck would I know that? I'm not some kind of tranny obsessed faggot like the /pol/lacks that always come in here and start bitching about tranny's randomly out of the blue.
Oh alright it's the Sonichu guy. I didn't know him by actual name.
Jeremiah Hughes
Can someone tell me in short what is Fabius's role in the new lore? All I know is that he saw the Primaris marines and got a huge boner.
Levi Nelson
Yes, buts it's going to be similar to harlequins where your list is very similar to other pure primaris armies.
Nathan Hernandez
So far that's all he's done.
Sebastian Lewis
What's a good highlight colour for black?
Black is being used for boots/belts and straps on some infantry.
Lincoln Garcia
He is still working on his "New Men" project while trying to find a way to save himself from the gene flaw that's killing him.
Carter Bailey
Dark grey, I normally follow mine up with a black wash. Maybe dark midnight blue?
Jonathan Morris
Dark Reaper + Fenrisian Grey.
I just stole that from GW.
Owen Fisher
Black.
Nicholas Cook
He's the gene-seed guy, he helps/teaches chaos marines to make more marines so they don't run out of dudes. He's also obsessed with making super space marines.
Leo Lopez
Is there any reason to not just call my Chimeras all Salamander Command Vehicles? +1 to shooting for a tank and +1 leadership for just pointing and saying it's something else seems really dumb.
Chase Parker
This is the reason WYSIWYG exists
Juan Clark
>he thinks that he can drop Magnus in a turn
Kevin Price
>F-FW isn't broken guys!
Forge world is always cancer.
Leo Gonzalez
Fair enough, I'll stick with two for now. 2+/ 5++ reroll ones battle tanks are admittedly pretty sexy, I just miss the times when every damn unit I had was capable of beating up Land Raiders fairly handily. Can't really complain, we're still good, but previously I had a bit of Necron Syndrome in the sense that I could handle my anti-tank needs with a handful of Arc Rifle Vanguard. Still think Arc weapons should MWound vehicles on 4+ and be more expensive, though. As is they're kind of pathetic.
Do we know if we're ever going to pick up any information on the Codex before it's out, or do we just wait until the 23rd?
Julian Gomez
Kill yourself you fucking newfag
Gabriel Phillips
>getting this mad I don't share your unhealthy obsession with stalking trannys After you you fucking weirdo
Connor Johnson
Events in my area are debating about banning FW units out right this ED. 2 of the loudest WACCfags came into the Konor event today and wouldn't stop bitching about how much money they spent on FW and that it wasn't fair that they can't use them as they walked away from games they were wining losing less than 10 models put together and attacking anyone who said that it was a good idea.
Yeah I'm triggered about it, fuck these FW cucks
Thomas Taylor
Poorfags go home
Brayden Wright
I had a dream about The Changeling. I had up with some super broken list with him and horrors but then I was told you can only take 2 unique characters per army so it wasn't valid.
>Bans FW for being WAAC I hope you banned guardsmen and sisters too, senpai Otherwise you might be a bit of a hypocrite
Isaac Kelly
Wasn't me who brought it up. It's the stores in the area. I'm assuming that its partly because the stores can't sell FW and so they are losing sales to chinaman and those people are still crushing events that deters newer players from play the game and spending money.
Chase Johnson
Why does nobody play Word Bearers? All I see are BL and donutsteels who are either AL or IW warbands.
Dylan Ramirez
>he says while running girlyman and a gorillion assassins
Logan Torres
I play Tank guard but nice try FWaac
Brayden Ramirez
No I know I can, I've done it.
L2p scrub.
Ayden Hernandez
Mechanically they're considered underwhelming this edition. I think they're cool though, might paint up my possessed in their colours whenever I get around to it.
Jayden Ortiz
FWIDF is out in force today it seems.
Just google 'sunk cost fallacy' and look for a way out.
Dylan Price
Pretty shit way to deal with it Is banning people's armies from your store really going to want to make them buy from you? I'd just go to a different store if it happened to me. Fuck asshole store managers like that
Jayden Allen
>had a dream a few weeks ago that I was able to get the TS codex that same day >open up the codex, same old WoM stuff and all plus Tzeentch daemons iirc >skip that, about to read the spells and relics because I wanted to know them >wake up
Noah Allen
Magnus the Red? More like Magnus the DEAD
Thomas Torres
>I can't find more than 5 OP FW models so I'll just throw buzzwords at them
Kevin Perez
>FW is too good! >But your mad because you arent getting enough out of it
Owen Bell
Let's face if, none of you buy FW models from FW anyway, so the whole "why would you ban your own models" question is more of a "why would you ban Chinese models" question instead.
Zachary James
Cawl is almost a must have for better re-rolls. Codex will probably have previews leading up to the release.
Jason Thomas
Sure you do.
Lincoln Ward
Yeah, I've ordered parts for a Custom Cawl, but I have quite a lot of stuff to build and paint anyway and life is going to be completely nuts for the next couple months so it may be a while before I can get him finished and have time to actually play some games again. I think my Admech are pretty well set up once I'm done with all the stuff I've currently got, though, so I'm looking forward to the Codex.