ITT: Post Hard SF Spaceships that Don't Look Like Total Ass

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I was thinking more in the lines of big and long space cylinders, but the principle still applies; they look like ass.

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So, we can all agree this is actually a bad design, right?

If the ship is under thrust, the rotating sections are a deathtrap. This design of ship only makes sense if you plan on spending long periods of time in float, which means you haven't cracked constant acceleration propulsion systems and you are basically locked out of meaningful space travel anyway.

This ship is dogshit for anything longer than an Earth to Mars tier transit, and even then it only works in that its best you can do with your low, low tech that hasn't advanced beyond anything we have in the can right now.

This is what people who don't understand basic thermodynamics actually believe.

>which means you haven't cracked constant acceleration propulsion systems

Sometimes people don't want shitty ion drives, user.

That doesn't really work with most high isp engines. and are essentially propelled by magic.

The bad news is that you need impractically large heat radiators for classic Heinlein fusion 'torches'. The good news is that you don't really need fusion torches to get around fast in the solar system; much more modest fusion rockets will suffice.

>locked out of meaningful space travel
>not Earth to Mars tier transit
I thought this was a hard scifi thread user...

Don't turn this into a thermodynamics discussion. You can't argue with stupid...

Doesn't have to be ion drives. Efficient fusion drives or any kind of sustainable propulsion that can hold the ship as a steady g is many times better than boom or bust chemical thrust.

I forget the exact math on it, but steady g constant acceleration, even factoring in the flip and burn, gets you to Pluto in a little over a month. Mars is just days away. Its the key to unlocking the solar system as a territory we can cultivate and colonize without basically just abandoning people on other planets and hope they can survive the years in between missions to reach them again.

You don't know what a fucking hard sci-fi spaceship looks like because you don't know what fucking nonsensical scientific advances will do to make ship designs look nothing like modern spacecraft.

The fucking Borg Cube could be the most realistic hard sci-fi spaceship ever imagined and nobody would be able to prove otherwise.

>radiator droplet
Confirmed not paying attention.

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>antimatter
Stopped reading there

The problem is trading off with ISP and exhaust velocity. You can have a 1g drive right now, but good luck with the propellant fractions.

But user, ...

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A setting without constraints is undifferentiated chaos. Diversity and creativity require limits and order.

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I can largely agree with that ranking, with 2 exceptions.

Dark Matter started off really 'meh', but has slowly gotten significantly better. It might have moved up a tier since it began.

Bodacious Space Pirates is great, and shouldn't be that low. It might not be a 'serious' show, but it does everything it sets out to do and it seems undeserving to rank it so poorly.

>steady G for days
Which is almost impossible given known and theoretical material limits. You'd basically need a miracle. And if you're going to add one miracle, why not add another? Just sprinkle in FTL and you've got your space opera right there.

>why even try
This is why these threads usually fail. We CAN guess how a spaceship would look given its mass and performance. IT doesn't take a genius to figure out that something accelerating at 1G will look a whole of a lot different than something accelerating at 0.0001G.

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What happens when you have low performance spacecraft and FTL? Let's say d6 jump joints in each system with individual jump points being weeks to months apart. Could you have interstellar empires or would such governments be impossible?

>individual jump points being weeks to months apart

So like planets are for near-future or modern tech?

Empire would be quite possible, but think Imperial Britain, not the modern conception of tightly leashed totalitarian states.

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>B5 below DS9
>SG1 above mid
Meh.

You can do it, but proximity to the jump points becomes key. The further you are from the jump points, the less you matter.

You could have a planet absolutely shit-rich in resources, but if its 4 months from the nearest jump point? The dwarf planet a week from the jump is still the seat of power for your system. Officials there own the aforementioned planet, not the other way around, because the ability to communicate and trade with other star systems easily outweighs the mundane material resources the planet offers. They can just have their wood shipped to them.

>God tier is nothing but star trek
>no Planetes
>everything said

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I watched Bodacious on a recommendation from Veeky Forums, and fuck you. It was a show that had a single good idea (putting an emphasis on electronic warfare for space battles), but then drowned that in a slew of terrible ideas, including the main "fake pirating" thing. Aside from that, literally only the main character was cute, with all the rest being rather poorly designed.

Want a good space show? Starship Operators, Planetes, Twin Spica, Space Brothers, and if you want lighthearted you go for Space Dandy or Vandread.

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This is still retarded no matter how many times i see it

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Have you got the
>Dat ass
Pic of the new Boeing space suit?

Voyager>DS9.

Sometimes bad writing and Janeway bi-polarism aside, it was about a journey, experiencing new things. Something barely present in DS9 at all (they only added a few new aliens and the Prophets) and left out of TNG too much in my opinion. Voyager was highly underrated.

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Thanks user.
Not quite the one I was looking for but it'll do.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>no Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.

>those anime entries
I don't even.

>No crest/banner of the stars
>No LoGH
>No planetes
>No starship operators
>No space battleship Yamato
>No gundam series whatsoever

Since quality is apparently not a factor there's a gigantic plethora of more notable space anime series that are not present on that list and can only conclude that the creator of this chart is a massive normie.

I want to believe.

Same user. Same.

What no Doctor Who?

Antimatter is the most efficient weight-to-energy fuel our science knows about. You just have to crack a few problems: Making it (giant solar arrays power accelerators, something that supposedly happened offscreen in Star Trek), containing it (better magnetic fields than we have). Once you have both those things, boy howdy are you set for insystem travel.

No Buck Rogers?

Image must have been made by a homo...

>Once you have magic, boy howdy are you set for insystem travel.

>magic
Not in the slightest, as neither of those techs are "sufficiently advanced".
We can already make and store antimatter, just in exceedingly small quantities; it's a problem of scale and optimization, not one of fundamental knowledge.

You are an idiot. There's nothing magical about antimatter. It just takes tech we haven't quite reached to exploit it. Orbiting solar plants will eventually be very important for power production and using them to make antimatter is obvious since it allows you to make high energy fuel with all that free energy. Better magnets will lead to effective antimatter containment, especially outside the atmosphere where a stray antimatter particle escaping won't result in gamma rays poking holes in your cells.

Orbital solar plants make the antimatter and are used as refueling stations by spacecraft. It's not magic. It's hard science we don't have the tech to manage yet.

>and can only conclude that the creator of this chart is a massive normie.
They put trek on top. Of course they're a normie.

There is no plausible way to create or store the amounts required. Antimatter anything is not hard sci-fi.

>There is no plausible way to create or store the amounts required.
Even a fraction of a partial dyson swarm could produce a huge amount of antimatter with dedicated antimatter production equipment. The only reason it's so incredibly hard to get now is because it's a byproduct of what we actually use our colliders for, instead of what they're designed to maximize.

More or less correct.

I'd bump Farscape down one. I just couldn't stand the main actor.

I'd bump firefly up one, maybe two, I really liked space cowboys.

Speaking of which cowboy beebop probably deserves to go up to god-tier, even though some people just hate anime. I think this list has the one token anime least it exceed someone's weeaboo threshold. (But I'd add Gundam and Robotech)

And Deep Space Nine, while I enjoyed it, a lot of people didn't. And... it wasn't ST:tNG.

Man, I WANTED to like Blakes 7. Good premise... but man that was bad.

Space, Above and Beyond is right were it belongs.
>Space Ghost is a "space show"
...sure.

Space 1999 probably belongs... low-mid

Buck Rodgers belongs LOW.

There was a.... space police? A bunch of shitty costumes. It is GARBAGE.

>megastructures
>ever hard sci-fi

Besides, anti-matter creation would likely be banned decades before it could ever become a practical method for storing energy simply because of how wrong it can go. We already have entire agencies dedicated to sniffing out potential illegal nuclear deals; if somebody told a politician you could take out a city with a bomb the size of a thimble there would be an international crack down on that shit so hard you'd start calling 1984's Oceania a paradise.

..........you do know what they do at LHC, right?

The antimatter made at the LHC isn't even enough to blow up a room, there is absolutely no comparison to what they do and what you would need to drive a spaceship.

I was gonna complain about Andromeda being so low but to be honest I'm just happy someone fucking remembered it existed.