Primarchs

I don't mind them being godlike beings of almost unmatched power so long as they are all functionally out of the setting like they used to be

My second biggest gripe with how GW handled Primarchs is that in conversation they didn't talk like the gods that they are supposed to be.

>Jaghatai looks off in the distance, wondering when he can get back on his bike
>Figures you could pull some pretty sweet tricks off that building

>Overrated

In what way are they overrated? Do you know what that word means, or do you use it as a catch-all phrase for things you dislike?

I mean, it basically just means he thinks that they have more love than they deserve, and I'm inclined to agree.

This .

As well as the fact that their power level is "whatever lets them win with a complete lack of serious difficulty" which means I personally find it really hard to admire them. If we'd seen a couple of them get offed by, say, getting slammed by Titan lasers or being swarmed by Marines or Tyranids now they're back in 40k, it would make them more impressive since there's at least the illusion of actual danger there.
If they're going to continue invalidating pretty much every other faction like they have been currently I'd prefer them either lower power or"dead" like says. I think writing them up to godlike status was a mistake since they don't even remotely act like it.

First post best post.

Pic unrelated.

The HH story is meant to have an epic, mythic quality to it. The fact that it happened so long ago (in canon), that it's a tragedy (& everyone knows how it will play out), and that all the main characters are demigods are all major parts of this. To have the Primarchs be repeatedly beaten by shitty no-names, presumably in an attempt to make them more relatable, is a shockingly bad idea. I'm already pretty burnt out on the series from GW's insistence on focusing on remembrancers and other losers, while also ruining regular humanity's moment of glory in the story by making Ollianus Pious an immortal wizard or something.

>epic, mythic quality to it
Except it doesn't, because the entire thing is twenty people beating each other up inconclusively and having petty squabbles. The cutting out of everyone save the Primarchs and a couple Marine characters per legion takes away any sense of scale and importance the whole thing might have, because as I already said it plays out like a soap opera. The tragedy is massively diminished by the many many books of nothing in particular happening anyone gives a damn about. The age of the thing is useless because they explicitly said that this is the "canon version", so it's not even unreliable narrator blurriness that the rest of 40k has. I'm a hell of a lot more impressed by Garro, Tarvitz and his ilk than I am by any Primarch, because I know the narrative will bend over backwards for the latter.

I don't particularly want them beaten by "shitty no-names", I just want them down off their "completely untouchable" power tier. Have a now ancient Scoria show up in 40k and throw Guilliman or some other "not particularly stabby" Primarch around a a bit, kill one of them with Exterminatus or Titans. It wouldn't make them "more relatable" but it would help stop new 40k degenerating into the same complete mess that HH did and sidelining most of the interesting non-Marine factions.
I also think the Remembrancers are kinda useless and a waste of time

I'm talking about how the story should be played/was before the current HH book series. Obviously the book series has a huge amount of flaws, but you're approaching it completely wrong if you want a sense of danger around the Primarchs throughout the narrative (not that that exists with most characters in most stories). It's a tragedy about a failure of character (hubris, jealousy), not failure of strength, and making them godlike in power only intensifies that tragedy in the contrast to what could have been. On the other hand, killing off one with a big space laser is an ignominious anticlimax. You might as well criticise the Iliad because Achilles was OP and Odysseus should have been done in by some soldiers in a Trojan back alley.

They also shouldn't be brought back anywhere near the canonical present, but I imagine they'll sell a load of models, so who's the real smart guy here?

>Except it doesn't, because the entire thing is twenty people beating each other up inconclusively and having petty squabbles.
So a lot like the Illiad. The only really important people (primarch level of importance) who die in the Illiad are Patroclus, Hector, and Achilles, and even then they all die near the end. Sure Ajax later offs himself and Agamemnon is murdered by his wife but those are after the war and are more like Corax and Khan going missing than someone dying in a climactic battle.

I will say that I never actually read the classics, so a good few of those characters mean nothing to me besides the obvious ones.

We seem to be approaching this from different angles. You're saying that if HH was redone and made more streamlined with less random extra elements it could be a good heroic story, which does make sense, and I'm saying that since the current state of both HH and 40k doesn't suit that they should probably tone down the Marvel Comic thing they seem to be turning the whole thing into. Let all these other factions and characters actually do stuff since they've bothered to introduce them and add detail, and that process necessarily involves adjusting the power levels a bit.

Also, if you applied that to 40k at the moment it would help keep the whole "shrouded in myth" thing for the Primarchs going on, which might make the Heresy series slightly less of a canonical clusterfuck by applying the Unreliable Narrator again.

Question about Magnus here from someone who is new-ish to the lore. So when the Emperor banned the legions and Magnus from using the warp how exactly did he expect him to be able to do this?

I recently read the Master of Prospero Primarch novel and now A Thousand Sons and its clear that Magnus constantly uses the warp just like breathing. He alters his size at will, reads peoples minds just by touching them and the thing is the Emperor knows this and is shown flying the warp WITH Magnus. So what gives? Magnus' whole being and personality was using the warp, same with his legion tbqh. What else was the Emperor expecting to happen here apart from Magnus ignoring the edict?

Gotta love how Angron is a midget in that picture

How can any other primarchs compete with Magnus having such a beautiful flowing mane like that?

>horus
>largest primarch
That title was always held by Magnus.

I'd say Sanguinius could but I've seen the abortion that is GWs latest art for him.

Oops.

Reminder that her adoptive parents are to Tzeench what the Eldar are to Slaanesh.

Well it's not really explained as far as I know. I think the impression they want to give is that it didn't really matter to the Emperor very much whether the Thousand Sons got purged.

By that point conquering the galaxy was a secondary goal. If a single Legion rebelled, The Emperor had Horus and Russ to deal with it. He never foresaw the possibility of a mass rebellion, because Horus was the only one that could manage it.

Magnus was the needed to sit on the Golden Throne though? In fact that may be the only reason he was created, to do just that. So saying that the Emperor didnt care if they got purged seems unlikely, especially considering he wanted Magnus brought to Terra not killed.

He literally created a psychic demi-god and then banned him from using all his powers because some sorcery is bad. Its like banning caffeine because Heroin is bad therefore all drugs are bad.

All the best Primarch werent at Ullonor because they actually had wars to win.

>He literally created a psychic demi-god
Not really. The common human can consider them as demi-gods(since they worship the Emperor as a god), but the primarchs aren't really demigods

The golden throne wasnt needed to be constantly manned until Magnus ruined everything forever. With a stable webway it would be an empty chair, the Emperor only needed it prior to Magnus' folky to extend the webway.

Thanks autismo. Any other words I used that if taken 100% literally and without context dont make any sense?

>The golden throne wasnt needed to be constantly manned until Magnus ruined everything forever.
Yes its seems that it was? The Emperor was psychically shielding the human webway breach himself on the throne. Magnus is shown that he was supposed to sit there when it was completed as its psychic defense when he warns the Emperor.

Read the rest of my post you literal retard.

>Thanks autismo. Any other words I used that if taken 100% literally and without context dont make any sense?
You said "literally" yourself. You know what that word means right?
You can't be 80 or 70% literal, it's always 100% because that's what the bloody word means

You are a special type of stupid

Truth.

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Well, Angron is the smallest Primarch. Or at least tied in stature with Lorgar and Alpharius/Omegon.

Other than beating a worn out Guilliman, has Angron ever accomplished anything? Sad!

leave best boy alone

Where is this art?

OP here. This was a small social experiment I held. I said all you'd have to do is say the word Primarch and some form of debate would ring out. So far that been proven accurate. That is all. Good day.

>the short guys are either sneaky as fuck or angry all the time
GW always plays on the stereotypes

Source? I've never seen that claimed before. The webways is naturally psychic defended, the human webway was not.

your predictive powers are truly uncanny. you alone in this world could have foreseen the outcome. it's like you're a seer, a sage, a prophet, OP.

oh wait, you're just a little faggot after all.

>go to disney and mention mouse
>discussion
>got to congress and mention healthcare
>discussion
>go to gym and mention barbells
>discussion
>what a genius i be

>tfw unironically enjoy the HH series
Thank god for anonymous posting

>I'm governor general Vance Stubbs ruler by the will of the Emperor of the Kaurava system fuck DoW3 in the dirt here to say that Sanguinius is best primarch, that's all

>Best Primarch
>Dead
Pick one.

I pick both with ferrus

But Ferrus didn't had that bishi aura that Sanguinius possessed.

Bishi is weeeeeeeeak.

You dont need it when you have arms of fucking steel and are bros with the pretty boy and the robot army nerds

thats a strange way to say vulcan

>here to say that Sanguinius is best primarch, that's all
Move bitch get out da way.

Was Ferrus the MC from monogatari?

Does anyone have that green text where Horus tries to seduce best boy Sanguinius?

Those may be amazing wings, but they dont count because they arnt natural.

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>amazing wings
>implying the nipple horns aren't the most impressive thing there

ok, he gets points for the nipple horns. But have you seen Sanguinius' Hair? Thats the hair that could launch a million ships right there.

>But have you seen Sanguinius' Hair?
Have you?

K.

That's not the best picture and you know it. The ringlets where just him trying something new to impress his dad.

Heres a better pic. even the remembrances cant do it justice.

>The ringlets
>The leopard print
>The lack of wings
WTF BL?

its a picture taken of the time when Horus Vulcan and the night haunter had to go undercover.

Le lost in the webway man

What about Ferrus Mannus? He's a head shorter than the other primarchs, and he was a pretty stoic and reserved dude.

He kicked Russ' ass. He benched a warhound titan. The fist primarch to daemonize.

How tall are the primarchs dood? God they're so fucking tall and hot! I want them to fuck me in the hoop dood

>reserved

No. He was the biggest hothead of them all save Angron who had the excuse of being a retard.

1. Russ won even Lorgar said so and doubted Angrons account of beating Russ 1v1. Crunch also supports this
2. Other primarchs destroyed titans not just held a war hounds foot up
3. Being a demon is not a good thing. Angron became much weaker as a result.

Well Ferrus was angry as hell, but but he was much better at keeping himself under control than say, Angron. You won't see him making suicidal charges into the enemy from what I understand of his lore. He exemplifies cold, inner hatred, rather than Angron's berserker tendencies. Plus that post was a literal joke.

I believe you're think king of peer or fulgrim. Both are not above random acts of violence, ferrus never attacked his sons.

Look closer, his wings are way up behind the title. Also that's an actual leopard skin, not print.
Also if you're going to do ringlets why not go all the way and get drills? Some weak ass shit there artist.

God dood a just wish the primarks wud fuk us

>You won't see him making suicidal charges into the enemy

Uhh...

What would have been Angron's gimmick if he hadn't already had the nails? I figured all the other primarchs had they're thing with Angry Ron always being angry.

He'd prob still be not-spartacus some how

New lore suggest that Vulcan was supposed to sit on the throne. Immortal guardian of the gate and what not.

Please even Angron couldn't bench press a Titan.

He squated it.

To be fair it wasn't suicidal until their reinforcements attacked them from behind.

>a head shorter
Make that two.

Dood how tall are the primarks? Aren't they like 10ft tall dood? God it makes me cock throb I wish they'd just suck me hoop

Fulgrim was the first.

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Are you doing standup?

Sauce?

Its directly stated by the Emperor and Malc that Magnus was supposed to sit on the throne.

Not saying you're wrong because BL is terrible but do you wanna post some quotes on that?

>Thinks Magnus is stuck in the webway
RETARD ALERT!

what ridiculous designs.
and terrible art. their anatomy inside the armors doesn't make a lick of sense.

He got locked in there after jobbing yet again

>jobbing yet again
Magnus rekt Guilliman in a 1v1, it wasn't even close. Only wiht the help of the Sisters os Silence and two of his eldar lovers was Guilliman able to get him into the webway.

And no he wasnt locked in there you literal retard. Its the webway not a fucking prison. Ahriman has the power to tear open a rift in the webway, you think Magnus cant? Magnus was also in the Stygius sector right after this. Do you even have any evidence for this claim or did you just hear a meme about it somewhere?

Not him but magnus jobbed. That what he does.

Then why did fagnus need Arhiman to get him into the webway in the first place?

>Then why did fagnus need Arhiman to get him into the webway in the first place?
He didnt need Ahriman to get in. Jesus user you just jump from one retarded assumption to another dont you? Ahriman has a hyper accurate map of some parts of the webway. Just because he asked for direction doesnt mean he couldnt find his own way there.

Either way that still has nothing to do with Magnus as you said 'being locked in' the webway user? Got any evidence for that yet or do you just want to admit you were wrong?

>Just because he asked for direction doesnt mean he couldnt find his own way there.

Whatever you say lad

It all makes sense now. Lion is Dog and Sangy is the fat wife. I guess robutt is the retarded uncle or whatever

I would.

>Events began to fall into place in Guilliman’s mind. Magnus had hurled Guilliman’s crusade into the Maelstrom not to destroy it, but to weaken it. He had propelled the Lord of Ultramar onto a particular path of fate that Magnus had either hoped or known would lead him to his capture, incarceration within that very specific goal, and eventual escape into this section of the webway. Guilliman could not know that the Crimson King had called upon his greatest champion, Ahriman, to aid him with his stolen knowledge of the webway’s paths, but otherwise the Primarch’s conclusions were entirely correct.
So he got help finding the the best webway paths to ambush Guilliman and friends. What else are you trying to claim here again? That Magnus cant enter or exit the webway like he did on Terra? That its somehow impossible for him to do so without Ahirmans help somehow? Please explain your jumbled reasoning user?

Found any evidence for you locked in the webway claim yet? At this point its almost like you dont have any...