From least evil to most evil

Necrons are at least as evil as the Imperium.

You still can find honest, decent people in the Imperium, necrons are all either braindead assholes who hate everything, or arrogant douchebags whose only "positive" trait is an maniacal obsession with honor and rules.

Imperium < Dirty Filthy Stinking Xenos < Chaos Worshiping Dirty Filthy Stinking Xenos < Traitors < Heretics < Heretical Traitors < Literal Demons

The Imperium are careless, oppressive dickheads but they don't try to monitor and control the life of every single one of their citizens. The Tau try to monitor and control the life of every single one of their citizens but they give you a free smartphone if you join them.
The Imperium is very overt about punishing dissidents. The tau are very underhanded and secretive about it.

>necrons
>wanting the best for their people
nah, only Szarekh and maybe some of the Thokt dynasty still give a shit about the common folk of their race.

The rest all just want to conquer shit and get their real body back, they don't care about their subjects

the Tau don't exterminate you for not being a tau tho

Orks are kind of cruel. They like to bully each other and other races. That's pretty evil.

no, but they make sure that your life sucks if you don't agree with them. And they kill you if you don't work for them.

I'm sure there's at least a few worlds in the Imperium where slackers are tolerated. Not in the tau empire.

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Chaos worshippers intentionally cause wrong either because it's fun or because they're crazy.

Remember, leave no good deed unpunished.

>Eldar are actively tsundere for Humanity,
They actively murder humanity.

Feudalism isn't typically kind to slackers.

funny how you didn't mention the dark eldar

the dark eldar are torture addicts so their justification is "we're afraid of Slaanesh."
But they could become craftworlders if they really wanted. It's happened to. some of them. And they know that they can't get away with their lifestyle forever, only a small handful of them have the resources to conceivably outlive Slaanesh.

They know that in the long run, they will get fucked over if they keep their shit up. But they still choose to keep being torture addicts because it's fun. At the end of the day, they like being dickheads more than they're afraid of Slaanesh.

So all things considered, they're evil.

feudalism exists on a galactic level in the Imperium, not necessarily on a planetary level.

the tau empire, on the other hand, is pretty much homogenous, politically speaking

>bork'an
>Tau find aliens
>"Hey you want to join space empire"?
>"No thanks"
>Mysterious plague wipes out all intelligent alien life on bork'an

That is a meme.

"Mon'keigh" literally means "vermin"

You must understand that murdering a couple million humans in a setting like Warhammer 40k is like baka smacking your crush in an anime.

Can you really call tyranids evil? They're just animals that want to eat. Unless they've added some kind of a conscious overmind that I'm not aware.

no but they exterminate you for not following the tau'va

the Hive Mind

but the Hive Mind has no emotions except those of an insectile predator

please keep your ebin le lewd GuillimanXYvraine shipping fangirl ERP shitposting out of this thread. Eldar unarguably hate humans.

>chaos is nicer then loyalists
BRING OUT THE DAEMONCULBA

>motivated by self-preservation
They have other options available to them, but choose to take the path of parasitic hedonism. And even if they had no other paths available to them, their self-preservation is just delaying the inevitable at the cost of perpetuating massive harm and suffering. They could choose extinction instead of forever accumulating sins.

They are certainly at the extreme end of evil.

Why is hedonism evil?

I didn't say that.

when it relies on skinning unwilling people alive on a daily basis, it's pretty evil

I did put chaos as, on the whole, more evil than loyalists, but while chaos have the daemonculaba, the imperium round up a thousand unwilling psykers per day and feed them to their god. That's pretty fucking grimdark.
i kinda forgot deldar, I meant to put them in an "asshole" category with necrons, but despite being here five years I still can't deal with the text editor of this goddamn website. Like seriously, I appreciate the effort to keep it the same crappy mongolian pottery discussion board as it was in the mid 2000s, but we need a new text editor.

>their self-preservation is just delaying the inevitable at the cost of perpetuating massive harm and suffering.

An individual tortured and killed by a Commorite goes through a few months/years of extreme suffering, then dies and feels nothing. A Comorite who dies has to endure an eternity of suffering as their soul is consumed by Slaanesh. In terms of galaxy-wide net suffering, mass extinction would bring about more, not less.

So does that mean the tyranids are the least evil race or should they even be included since they don't operate on a good-evil axis really?

>Eldar
>Less evil than Tau
Other than that - spot on

except that dark eldars CAN be integrated into craftworld society and get a soulstone.

There is an alternative to their lifestyle.

>The Imperium are careless, oppressive dickheads but they don't try to monitor and control the life of every single one of their citizens
They would, if they had means for that.
Just because they are too weak to do that doesn't mean they are good

they are unarguably the least evil.

Wrong, because every moment of eternity that a DE would suffer is replaced by a moment of someone elses suffering. The rate of suffering is greater and increasing further with a growing Dark Eldar population.

I'm pretty sure that they could do that, but the ruling class of the Imperium is just too greedy and self-absorbed to bother enforcing total individual control over the population. The average Imperial noble doesn't really give a shit if you agree with him as long as you pay your taxes. A tau ethereal will find a way to fuck you over if you don't agree with the tau'va.

Chaos isn't all evil. Nurgle is pure love

Nurgle is Stockholm Syndrome.

tyranids and orkz are both beings that are just obeying there nature

but orks on occasion help other being while tyranids will never ever be a benefit to another living being other then tyranids

Nurgle is the god of misfortune and coping mechanisms. He enforces a vicious circle of physical and moral decay upon his worshippers, and keeps them alive in such a shitty state that they will never stop relying on him.

He makes them immune to death, but only by making them sicker.

He's a pusher, just like every other chaos god.

Khorne makes his servants strong enough to sate their murderous urges, but only to make sure that they alienate themselves from society and keep killing forever.

Tzeentch makes his servants super-smart, but only so that they become paranoid enough to constantly rely on his help and serve him in return

Slaanesh lets his servants experience new things, but only so that they can't go back to simpler pleasures and keep needing degrading themselves for him

Chaos gods make sure that once you've calle

Once again, Orks like to bully people. They have a mean streak, just like humans

ed upon them there's no going back *

Eldar fight primarily for survival or to defeat Chaos; they're ultimately a reactionary force even if they often don't seem as such due to dank future vision.

Tau are violent expansionists driven by a flawed sense of manifest destiny. They demand that all other life forms they encounter fall in line with them or be forcibly brought in line by the Tau war machine.

Necrons don't want what's best for anyone, even their own people. The few remaining ones with sapience and sanity are for the most part 100% fine with their subjects all being braindead automatons, and would be fine with the rest of the galaxy being that way too, so long as they serve them (them specifically: not Necrons, THEM, their dynasty).

They only want biotransferrance so they, the nobility, can avoid the inevitable degeneration of their cognitive protocols.

also, obedience protocols.

For all their posturing about honor and codes, necrons are actually a pretty treacherous bunch.

I bet they would all love being able to think freely enough to overthrow and backstab each other like they used to before the War in Heaven, instead of having to come up with bullshit schemes and justifications that don't conflict with their obedience protocols.

Dark Eldar are in a strange spot here.
Because although they're clearly intent on survival first and that can't really be quantified as evil, they clearly take the most malicious path compared to their craftworld cousins who manage to survive regardless.

>Eldar
>Not evil

They are the brutal Amish survivors of a dead civilization who gladly sacrifice whole worlds to save like 40K of themselves.

Also they are genetically wizards, and thus have no sense of right or wrong.

I thought necrons just wanted to be left alone?

>when a human dies, his soul just dissolves into the warp
>when an eldar dies, he's slaanesh's torture toy forever
hard to blame them

Well, humans will gladly sacrifice whole worlds to kill like 40 k of aliens, but that doesn't make them evil.

Eldar fight to survive and will kill billions to do so.

Humans in 40K fight to kill and will kill billions of their own just to kill anything else they come into contact with.

The Eldar are far more sympathetic to a rational person.

Tyranids are the least evil. Orkz are the second least evil because they're not nessecarily malicious. This is fact.

What is this? A thread for communists?

>not fighting for God and Freedom.

Orks are more often than not extremely, unnecessarily malicious and cruel. They delight in killing and causing harm, and deeply enjoy inflicting suffering upon their captives.

>to save like 40K of themselves.
Not even that, they'll do it just to fuck with others

>not Eldar, Tyranids, Orkz, gap of evil, Imperium, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Chaos, Tau
Because forced sterilization m8

Split that imperial stuff down a bit.

From most evil to least evil it probably goes:

Admech - Guard meatgrinder generals - Ministorum - average Hive World - Marines (if only because there's so few of them they have little impact) - Competent Guardsmen a la Cain - Agri World - Garden/Shrine world.

Admech easily outdo a decent chunk of Chaos and possibly the relatively humane Dark Eldar with Thallax and their ilk.

A traitor is worse than a heretic.

>A Heretic may see the truth and seek redemption. He may be forgiven his past and will be absolved in death. A Traitor can never be forgiven. A Traitor will never find peace in this world or the next. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor.

You thought wrong, that's a fucking meme that originates from dumb joke fanart.

sterilization, forcing people in slums, making people test highly hazardous prototypes without telling them about the side-effects, monitoring everything you do, etc...

...

Amen

>Necrons
>Evil
It's hard being the saviours of the galaxy.

Yeah, honestly evil peaks as soon as you bring in mad scientists, and the Admech is entirely led by those.

>Don't worry guys we're gonna save you from the tyranids!
>Okay now that this is done, we're gonna harvest your meat to make ourselves new mortal bodies, we're still getting the hang of it but if you're lucky there might still be some of you left by the time we figure it out.

Nah that's just what their fanboys say.

In reality, the Necrons are so horrifically thirsty for power and conquest that they broke the galaxy.

The Tau have no malice towards mankind and have been known to treat humans under them decently. In fact, there are examples where Tau soldiers put themselves in danger to protect humans. For example, a Stormsurge pilot used the shields of his suit to protect fleeing humans civilians from indiscriminate Imperial bombardment this led him getting wounded.

Give me an example of Eldar risking his life for a human out of inter-species altruism. You can't.

Thusly, the Tau are the least evil.

>sterilization

Not canon.

>forcing people in slums,

Moronic. The living standards of humans in the Tau Empire are more than decent.

>making people test highly hazardous prototypes without telling them about the side-effects

Bullshit. The Tau fire warriors know about the side effects and its a centre point of some of the fluff about the weapons.

>monitoring everything you do

That's the only thing correct.

I hope you get hit by a truck for this bullshit.

To be fair, there are degrees of mad scientists, from "honestly is doing good, just disregards a few too many safety limits" to "Whoever the fuck came up with the Thallax". The Admech are evil, but they don't intentionally try to be, it's just a consequence of being as efficient as possible. If anything, that makes it worse.

The way I like to justify the Admech's really odd record of Lost Technology is that they're mediocre at science, but superb at SCIENCE!.
So when they have to pick, almost all of them will save the hilariously expensive world-cracking sonic cannon plans or the ones for 12km floating space cathedrals over the one for the extended and retooled Leman Russ barrel for anti-tank duties. That's just BORING, which is why hardly any forges ever bothered reverse-engineering it.
This is why they can make or at least know HOW to make battleships, Titans, Knights and all their esoteric standard weapons on a majority of Forge Worlds but random Guard shit and the odd Space Marine weapon system keeps being labelled as "lost technology" by GW to make it sound cooler.

>implying not hating humanity makes you the good guys
Fuck off
Also
>lol you don't need privacy dood XD it's for your safety
You are legitimately wrong, look up the mouse utopia experiment
Not having privacy can cause the end of society m8

>Give me an example of Eldar risking his life for a human out of inter-species altruism.

During the Great Crusade Vulkan came across a bunch of Eldar who had gone out of their way to save a bunch of humans from Dark Eldar raiders.

Not quite the same, but there's also the Biel-Tan prince whose story makes it into some version of the Eldar codex. Basically, he takes the time to rehouse a bunch of human settlers on a Maiden World rather than killing them, taking them to a similarly paradisaical planet.

Either way, doesn't change the fact that Eldar pretty much only fight for self-preservation, whereas Tau pick fights out a desire to expand their empire. An individual Tau might try to be good, but in the end he's supporting a ruthless military dictatorship more than willing to wipe out those that refuse to bend knee.

>Fuck off

Why can't people read these days? I said least evil, not that they are good guys.

The Eldar have utter discard for human life. The Tau view human life as something worth protecting.

>Not having privacy can cause the end of society m8

Except for the fact that no one knows that the authorities are monitoring them. You are being monitored right now by private and government agencies collecting your data. Does that ruin your day?

Yes but it's a biological imperative to them. They literally can't choose to not be orky.

Orks are the least evil because they just want a good scrap. Tyranids don't seem to have a concept of evil.

I find it really funny how many younger players NEED the Imperium to be "good guys" instead of, at best, the true neutral of the setting.

M8 it's only worth protecting as a resource
Caring for yourself first when your race is fucked as well isn't evil in the slightest
>no one knows
Oh yeah the tau are completely perfect at hiding their survailance
>does that ruin your day
nice loaded question you got there

>The Eldar have utter discard for human life.

According to the Path novels, they generally prefer not to kill humans, as they find them similar enough to empathize with them. The fact is, though, humans for the most part are their enemy and if it's them or eldar, the eldar will always pick humans. The vast majority of humans serve a regime that wants to kill all non-human life in the galaxy; every human is a potential soldier to be thrown at them.

>The Tau view human life as something worth protecting.

Unless it refuses to fly their colors.

Tau have nuked entire Hive worlds for refusing to submit. Such actions eclipse any acts of kindness by individual Tau.

>Biel-Tan prince

Corsair.

>whereas Tau pick fights out a desire to expand their empire.

The Eldar pick fights with Imperium all the time to for unknown reasons to conquest of planets. Biel-Tan have led xenocical campaigns against the Imperium and Saim-Han is response for the systematic genocide of the humans of the Gnosis system.

Sorry, but the Eldar are more evil than the Tau by a huge margin. The Tau would never heartlessly genocide a human population nor would they deliver huge portions of the human populations to a fate worse than death which is what Saim Han did when they led the Dark Eldar to ravage the defenceless Gnosis populations.

I mean for for sake. The Tau were showing compassion to even the Orks. When a plan was being drawn up to target Ork reproduction by using poisons to cripple their females, Tau commanders shot that down because hurting innocent children and women is beneath warriors of the Tau'va.

>Remember, leave no good deed unpunished.
There is a special place in hell for you and Matt Ward.

Your trolling is successful for you have angered me. I knew it was a bait still I charged it butt first.

>M8 it's only worth protecting as a resource

The Stormsurge pilot didn't think about resources when he saved humans innocents from their own side.

>as well isn't evil in the slightest

It's immoral and the Eldar have taken it to the extreme.

>Oh yeah the tau are completely perfect at hiding their survailance

Yes, they are.

>nice loaded question you got there

Better hide your CP.

>if it's them or eldar, the eldar will always pick humans.

Only because the Tau are too young. GS 2 shows that they see humans as unpredictable and selfish but have no choice but to ally with them because the other options won't work.

The exile character from the Path appears in a Ynnari short story. He is disillusioned by fighting alongside the Imperium.

>Tau have nuked entire Hive worlds for refusing to submit.

No, they didn't. The only thing remotely similar is when they blew up a Hive City that acted as a center for Imperial defence and was bombarding the shit out of their forces. The Hive City was shielded by advanced Tech that the Tau on the ground could not breach.

>And many followers of chaos regard the Imperium as the biggest evil in the galaxy, valuing personal freedom and liberation more than oppressive feudal bureaucracies. And again, if Khorne were to ever stop the bloodshed, the khornate would waste away, so can they really be called "evil"? You can call the mass destruction they cause wrong, sure, but "evil" is something else.
>Chaos isn't all evil.
Here here!

>>chaos is nicer then loyalists
>BRING OUT THE DAEMONCULBA
Well let me give her a heads-up first, she likes to look her best!

>tyranids will never ever be a benefit to another living being other then tyranids
Perhaps if we turn everyone into tiraniddo waifus...

>He's a pusher, just like every other chaos god.
It's a sad truth...

>The only thing remotely similar is when they blew up a Hive City that acted as a center for Imperial defence

A major Hive contains several billion civilians. If the Tau are willing to kill that many civvies, any talk about valuing foreign life is mere lip-service.

>but it was bombarding them!

Wouldn't have been a problem if the Tau hadn't invaded. The Tau are expansionists. They invade people, and when they aren't afraid of slaughtering billions of civilians to get what they want. They're no better than anyone.

>Stormsurge pilot
Never heard of him, was he acting under official tau orders to save human innocents?
>immoral
It's also immoral to say lol fuck our dying race let's help everyone XD
>taken it to the extreme
So they actually give a shit about not risking their selves for a race that hates them?
>yes they are
So they're monitoring every single person in their territory, and not a songle person knows about it without any slip ups ever?
>better hide your cp
Nice argument

>forcing people in slums
Have you seen a hive world recently?

Imperium < Chaos. the other factions merely color the main characters and is a waste of time examining them outside of the imperium/chaos context.

>A major Hive contains several billion civilians. If the Tau are willing to kill that many civvies, any talk about valuing foreign life is mere lip-service.

They had no choice. They took all over hives peacefully or with conventional means. This one hive city was the only one that they couldn't take without blowing up. The planet wouldn't have fallen if the hive city stood.

>Wouldn't have been a problem if the Tau hadn't invaded.

They are invading the worlds of an empire of hate and unreason that has made several attempts at wiping them out. The Imperium is not an innocent party, It's a xenocical menance that the Tau must defeat in order to survive and prosper.

In the same novel, the bad guy water caste guy said that Ethereals would never approve of anything that overly cruel and wasteful of lives.

>Never heard of him, was he acting under official tau orders to save human innocents?

He was a ground commander.

>It's also immoral to say lol fuck our dying race let's help everyone XD
>>taken it to the extreme

Throwing billions of sentient lives under the bus to save a handful your race is madness. The Eldar didn't do that to just humans. They did to the Tau as well who bear the Eldar no hatred.

>So they're monitoring every single person in their territory, and not a songle person knows about it without any slip ups ever?

Yeah. They are monitoring everyone in the same way modern day governments are mongering us.

>Nice argument

You made no argument.

>ground commander
So the one commander represents the whole of tau?
>throwing billions of lives under the bus to save your own is madness
Not when said lives are from factions that want you dead or subjugated
>in the same way the modern days govt. Is monitoring us.
Nigger you just contradicted yourself everyone who isn't a downie knows about it
>you made no argument
I didn't need to when you don't have one :^)

>So the one commander represents the whole of tau?

Nope, it just examples. There are many examples of Tau going out of their way to protect lives of aliens.

>Not when said lives are from factions that want you dead or subjugated

The Tau didn't want them dead or subjugated. They barely know them but are mostly friendly towards them.

>Nigger you just contradicted yourself everyone who isn't a downie knows about it

Nope, modern day surveillance is not oppressive and you don't feel it in your day to day life. Nobody feels that their privacy is being endangered.

>nigger

Stop the racism.

>chaos
>main character
That's fucking funny, user. Imperium is the only main character, chaos is just the most deluded npc.

Nope. The picture of "Dark Imperium" that introduces the new setting has the Imperium and Mankind fighting infront of the Eternity Gate for the soul of mankind. Do you see any xenos around?

Imperium and Chaos*

>stop the racism
Kek
>modern day surveillance is not oppressive
Keep telling yourself that point is there's no way that no one in the tau doesn't know their living the Orwellian nightmare, feel free to stop sucking tau dick any time tho

For the sake of this I'll define "Evil" as "most willing to harm others" and "needlessly harming others"
From least to most:
Tau