What the fuck was Fëanor's problem?

7, actually.

And he plundered all of their boipuccis

Yeah what was his malfunction not wanting to pay a 100% tax rate on his own handiwork. How the fuck did he expect the Valar to maintain the trees?

How different would Middle-Earth be if no one particularly cared about shiny things?

Morgoth would find some other way to corrupt everything, I'm sure. He's persistent like that.

His wife literally died from running out of lifeforce to pour into babies

Actually no that was his mother

I have brought shame into my family

talk about overcompensating ...

Okay, I'm really reaching here but here's my shot:

Feanor was born to a people who didn't know death, but after giving birth to him his mother wanted to die. She preferred the unknown fate of death to living with him.
So he was born with an immense amount of spirit (fea, the measurable quantity of soul Tolkien described) from his father but particularly his mother, which gave him enormous potential in life.
He had a natural creativity that was fostered by Aule's teachings (I thought he was mentored by Aule but this doesn't make sense now I say it). He made quite a few incredible things.

Then he made something inspired by the greatest phenomena in existence and even gods could tell they were brilliant. He, like his mother with him, poured his actual soul into these creations and much like Sauron's ring (but probably intended by Tolkien in a more artistic sense inspired by his own creative works) they were a significant fraction of his existence.

Then he remembered his mother, he remembered that contrary to Elven belief life ended and nothing was permanent and he was traumatised by how utterly irreplaceable and irreplicable these things were. In his precious egotism he couldn't let them go or let them be lost.

From memory, isnt it said that Feanor possesses the skill to even unmake the Ring? Assuming you could get it to him.

Don't remember anything like that. It was mentioned, though, during the Council that even though it was said that dragon-fire could destroy a ring of power, not even Ancalagon could destroy the One.

Imagine pouring your very heart and soul into these objects, your masterpiece, your reason to exist.
Now these bastards say they want them. Who the fuck do these people think they are? Just because they're literal Gods entitles them to exactly jack shit.

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>local man and sons ruin everything for everyone everywhere forever

It's a nice theory, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to shoot it down. Elves "inheriting" fea from their parents is an in universe elven theory that fell apart when you started having Elves being reincarnated. You can check it out in Laws and Customs among the Eldar. There's no real link between Miriel's death and Feanor's abilities.

That being said, the shock of his mother dying in "deathless" valinor, and then his father betraying her memory by remarrying definitely had an effect on Feanor.

Wasn't this massive scandal in elven social circles?

It wasn't massive scandal, but it was unusual. Feanor's pretty much the only one to get butthurt about it though.

He was the greatest Elf ever born, and was always told so.
His mother died after birthing him because he was too awesome. His father treasured him above all his other children.
He was the greatest craftsman the Elves had ever seen, and made the greatest crafts the Elves had laid eyes on.
Everyone fawned over him and laughed at all his jokes and basically he was Chad Thunder-elfcock.
No one ever disagreed with him or told him he wasn't the hottest shit to ever live. Failure was completely incomprehensible to him; he did not believe, even for an instant, that he could ever fail at something. His first act when reaching Middle-Earth is to charge Morgoth's stronghold alone like a dickhead. After being told all his life that he was the best and could never do wrong, he actually believed it to the point of thinking he could take on all of Morgoth's armies by himself.

>His first act when reaching Middle-Earth is to charge Morgoth's stronghold alone like a dickhead

No it was burning the ships and letting his half brother to rot.

>No one ever disagreed with him or told him he wasn't the hottest shit to ever live
Well, no one except Galadriel

Well Galadriel herself is not a 'good' person by elf standards. She either took eager part in the crimes of the Noldor until long years and regret wore at her, and even then she clung stubbornly to Middle Earth as long as possible out of pride, or else she missed out on the initial slaughter but went with them all anyway.

>Tells Feanor to shove it up his ass
>Eagerly gives one dwarf three locks of hair when he asks just because he had an adorable crush

To be fair he was hot shit. When he eventually did die, it was only because his body literally wasn't able to contain his soul anymore and he exploded.

>his body literally wasn't able to contain his soul anymore and he exploded

That's pretty hardcore.

Yeah, he got killed by Balrogs then he was so busy being angry that his weakening body burst into pure fire and his soul got a one way ticket to the deepest point of the Halls of Mandos to cool off

Don't talk shit about my elfu.

Big nose.

Shut your mouth you Morgothian cocksucker. She is the purest and most beautiful being in all of Arda.

>not caring about the beauty you have personally created
You don't understand anything about Tolkien's work and have probably never created anything that you were proud of.

>blame Feanor and his sons for manning up and actually doing something about a literal evil god fucking up Heaven
>not blaming the other gods for not killing Satan when they had the chance, and then sitting around on their asses as he preceded to fuck with all of creation, murder, and rob with complete impunity.
Feanor literally did nothing wrong.

He probably shouldn't have killed all those Teleri and then burned the boats he just stole a page or two before though. You know, those boats he killed all those Teleri to get

okay. the first kinslaying was wrong, but other than that. Nothing. Wrong.

You sound like a beaten wife.

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>the light of the tree(s)

I think it would have been funnier if he only had one stocking on his belt.

Wasn't she with Fingolfin, and crossed by the Helcaraxe?
If she was at the kin-slaying she wouldn't have been allowed in Doriath.

Elves got a one track brain. They get involved in something and they become totally fucking obsessed with it forever. They can't be reasoned out of that mindset. At most you can kill them (and their ghost will persist with that obsession in the here-after) or you might be able to traumatize them through torture and abuse until they're nothing more than an empty shell.

Feanor got his mind set on those Silmarils.

The stockings represent the Silmarils

Fingolfin and his crew participated in that too but didn't initiate, they arrived late and just saw a battle rage. So they fucked up but not as hard.

>Feanor is a cat

Okay

No fucking shit.

What was the deal with Finrod? Why did he seem to think humans were the coolest thing since Fëanor invented sliced bread?

Celebrimbor also did nothing wrong besides be easily tricked. A love of craft and tunnel vision was his inheritance.

Ultimately redeemed himself because without him and Talion destroying Sauron's Army and crafting another RoP, the Orc army would of moved much faster.

I love how stupidly off the rails SoM went as far as plot goes, but I can't see Shadow of War (or if they get a third game and intend to do a trilogy) ending in anything but tragedy as you're finally defeated at the utmost and Sauron's war machine grinds onward towards the White City while left with the impression you failed.

Of course you don't, because the books and movies exist to reaffirm that, but it'd be a kind of dark ending for Talion and Celebrimbor.

Because he discovered humans soon after their wakening and when they were still mostly innocent (not entirely, Sauron had already visited even those that had fled west.) So he became enraptured with them the same way a protective older brother would his innocent little sister.

one of the nazghul is literally a rohan lord and its implied that the sauron is actually Isildur

If they try to stretch it out to a trilogy I'm simply not playing along. They should've just properly finished the first fucking game and been done with it.

THAT STUPID BULLSHIT IS NOT CANON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Wouldn't they definitionally have to be from the ancestors of the Eorlings, since Eorl didn't even muster his people to settle Rohan till forever after Sauron was defeated?

The latter is dumb and makes no sense with what we saw even in the first game, let alone actual canon, unless Sauron eats the souls of everyone who the Ring corrupts or something and incorporates them like a giant flaming Borg spirit.

While it should be treated as a fan-fiction (even Monolith agrees with that, but they work closely with the lore masters), it's a fun game and from what I've seen, the new game looks even funner.

Cry some more.

Of course it isn't, but it is fun and super enjoyable in its self contained dumbness.

the thing is, most of the nine were old Numeror kings lest time i checked

>tfw you will never have a wise and immortal elf as your onii-san

>Talion
who?
>destroying Sauron's Army and crafting another RoP, the Orc army would of moved much faster.
wtf are you talkin bout nigga?
Sauron raped Celebrimbor with a pike, and the only resisting he did was give away the three elf rings before Sauron could snatch them up.

"More of a good thing" isn't always a good thing. I'm leery of sequels in general and leerier in particular of stories that could have a perfectly satisfying ending yanking the ball away at the last second so they can franchise.

One of them was an Easterling king. I don't see why Sauron might not corrupt other lords of other lands too.

Khamul is canon and he's an Easterling.

By the sound of it, they plan to end it with this game.
But if it sells (and it looks like it will) they might do one of those prequal things /v/ always freaks out about in which case, it would be interesting.

Got the Gold Edition so I'll be playing it all either way

Feanor is to the elves as melkor is to the valar.

>they might do one of those prequal things /v/ always freaks out about

But we already have the Bright Lord DLC. If they hadn't done that, a whole game of Celebrimbor would be rad but now it'd be effectively pointless.

NOT
CANON

A dick?

I forgot about him really, but having helm hammerhand as one of the nine just feels wrong

I hope so, I really do. I'm cautiously optimistic because to first game had the unmistakable butcher's marks of a rushed development cycle - the way the final battle just sort of happened out of nowhere, leaving plot threads aplenty dangling - but I'm too jaded to bet on it.

On a side note, have they given any official explanation to how to patch up the gaping hole in that Mordor only falling to Sauron's forces after the Hobbit blew in Gondor's history? If Gondor controlled everything up to and including the Black Gate that late in the timeline when was Minas Ithil corrupted? When did Osgiliath fall? Who killed the last King of Gondor, and when?

Akkalabeth specifically states that 3 nazgul were Numenorean lords.

Does it matter? We're well past talking about just Feanor here, and it is fun and reasonably topical.

Isn't like Phobos' gay Sauron is canon either but fuck if we don't see that shit all the time

I just read this earlier this morning but the next game happens like a decade after the black gate falls and one of the first things you do is defend Minas Ithil (which is also a tutorial)

This game has three years of development. They didn't rush it at all so it's looking good because EVERYTHING is bigger.

>and one of the first things you do is defend Minas Ithil

Starting these games with crushing failure is just kind of a thing isn't it?

Sauron looking like a girly twink back when he could still shapeshift is canon. It goes on about how fair and beautiful he was.

I assume the blatant shipping however isn't supported by the Silm.

Your Ring of Power is also stolen by Shelob, which explains why the Wraith is back to square one again because he poured all his essence into that ring.

And yes, start at the bottom and work your way up. It's a nice way of feeling progress.

Which begs the question, again: If they had Minas Ithil so late, was Osgiliath still the capital until then too? Was Minas Tirith still Minas Anor until that late? Did the Line of Kings only end that late?

What irritates me is that they could've solved this with only one or two lines of dialogue that would've satisfied us lore-hounds and also made the Black Hand a more intimidating character with more actual lore attached to him.

"Talion, no! You're not powerful enough to fight the Black Hand! He's been a plague on these lands for over a thousand years; It was he who ended the Line of Kings single-handed!"

Or some such.

You START with your new ring? I'd have assumed it would be made in game as kind of an upgrade point.

Fuck stupid sexy Shelob. Her entire family is a cancer on all sides

That awful game keeps ruining every single LoTR discussion thread.

Why isn't she a spider?

>A thing I don't like is being discussed ergo the thread is ruined

Just ignore it and respond to people discussing the Silmarillion and embrace parallel conversations like every other thread.

They could easily put that into the SoW when it starts.
But who knows, we have to wait for it to come out.

You finish the Ring and it's completion rips Talion and Cal away from each other. She then nabs him and says "Give me the ring and I'll give you the wraith" and Talion agrees.
But I think you get it back early in the game because it has a lot to do with the domination system, so getting it back could trigger you getting the ability.

Bottom half is.

Because the developers remembered she's the daughter of Ungoliant and decided to play up her being magical. I actually prefer that more than just the silent monster angle, for a game it makes a different kind of antagonist figure.

>tfw we are entering the era when even classical literature is going to be mined for franchise commodification
I'm no commie but I gotta admit that this kind of shit tempts me to start throwing rocks at corporate headquarters or something

but Ungoliant was just a big ass spider, she literally only wanted to eat

No Ungoliant was a hungry hole in the world that spiders so happen to look like.

What parallel conversation?

Corporatism is the enemy, not capitalism.

i legit think that she eat herself because jesus christ was she desperate for those shinny gems

>pale skin
>raven tresses
>dick suckin' lips
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE PORN, YO

She wants the S

Quelaag ripoff lmao

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That's because that is definitely wrong.
No way in hell could Helm Hammerhand, A Rohirram king of the 3rd Age could be a Nazgul, since the 9 Nazgul first appeared in the 2nd Age.

Why would you think Helm was a Nazgul?
I remember him having a spooky lore, like he left the besieged fortress to kill Dunlending enemies, and one day he just didn't come back, but people still claimed his ghost haunted the fortress or something.