Military order must be impecable. Agreed...

Military order must be impecable. Agreed, but what should a soldier do if the commander is incapable while the cause is just?

Like pic related.

Simple, the soldier should just nod and smile to everything the commander says. Then do the correct thing instead of what the commander told him to do. If questioned by the commander during said work, calmly explain this is what the commander told him to do in the first place. Make the commander feel like it was his idea all along.

>gaslighting a superior officer
That somehow doesn't seem like a good idea.

Did you select the wrong pic op? That's Zap Brannigan, hero of DOOP

Have you been in the military?

This. It may be less effective on base (slightly), but this is an essential skill in the field, along with accomplishing what you were ordered to do with half the resources promised and fucking KYLE whose a goddamn fucking useless boot ass piece of shit who doesn't know his ass from the ground but smear so much of the Colonels SHIT on his nose every day it would only be ALMOST worth it to beat his ass and tie him up with duct tape and leave him in the barrens FUCKING FUCK YOU KYLE STOP LOSING SHIT I HOPE JODIE FUCKS YOUR WIFE

>Kyle
>Jodie
>first names
>military

you work around them and convince them what your doing that actually works is their idea.

It's American slang

This is what NCOs are for.

Jodie is the dude who fucks our girls while we're away training or deployed.

Who hurt you, user?

Probably Kyle.

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Kyle is a last name, or you use a first name as an insult because you deign the insulted to not be military. Jodie is a boogie man.

"Jodie" is the name that military servicemen, at least in America, give to anyone who sleeps with their significant other, usually while we are far away due to training or deployment. It can also be used as a verb, as in, if your wife cheats on you, you could say "I got Jodied." We sometimes make jokes at each other's expense saying not to worry about their girl friends back home, because "Jodie is taking care of her. "

If you want to understand watch Generation Kill. It addresses this very scenario. Plus the banter is top notch
>I'm gay for fruity rudy

Shutup, Kif.

>knowing anyone's first name in the military besides Chesty

Get a load of this boot.

>bringing up Chesty
So what's your favorite flavor of crayon?

Coyote brown duh

>Not army green
Stay scrub, jarhead.

I'm really enjoying this thread

In this thread the scenario seems to be the that commander is an idiot, but not malicious. What if the commander was like Zapp Brannigan? Willing to sacrifice countless lives to achieve a goal, without considering other options?

A frag in the mess makes it all work out best.

If he's a benevolent idiot work around him. If he's a malicious idiot engineer an accident.

Vietnam taught the military two things
1) never let journos near your warzone
2) if the officer is utter shite then he's gonna get a frag under his bed

>his blue crayon doesn't turn orange when exposed to salt water

And what if he doesn't because his ego is huge?

Ork snipers.

Being in a committed relationship with an american woman and joining the military is stupid. Unless you have a cuckold fetish. Just be single.

Enlisted think with their dicks. If they had any sense, they'd be NCOs.

Not him, but one of the reasons military guys run to marry (even if they are just steady) is because if something happens in combat the woman will get military benefits.

That may be a stupid choice, but I cannot see wanting to provide for someone you like in case of death as a damnable thing.

Yes, it's very noble to get hitched to the stripper that sucked you off while you were on liberty in Fayetteville.

It's not exclusively the enlisted's fault, though; there are plenty of gold digging bitches that will get a dumbass soldier to marry them just to sponge off his benefits or, even better, get the Army to pay her to go away. Enlisted bars are full of them.

OP is part of a neutral plot.

It definitely has nothing to do with married soldiers getting a housing stipend to live off-base as opposed to living in the luxurious & well maintained barracks. It would be crass and diminish the importance of that sacred institution to get married just to get away from the impossibility of privacy and general grab-assery.

While some soldiers are dumb, it's important to point out that it may be hard to find if your girl is with you because she really likes you or because she wants military benefits. And even if they do like you, it takes a lot of love to endure drafts that could last months.

Not excusing this despicable behavior, just pointing out it's a very complex situation.

I'm not sure men would get into a difficulty life-long union just to enjoy an extra stipend, taking into account that most barracks nowadays are moving into single rooms. The majority of juniors in the air force already enjoy this for example and land forces are quickly catching up.

Besides user, I would really question why you would join the army and be icky about people.

You're always expected to do your job in accordance to established procedures and most procedures come from a higher authority than that of the person who gives you orders.

When someone gives you dumb orders you have to make them fit into that established framework, so you can either:
>inform your dumb/new officer what the problem with the order he have is, cite the document it contradicts or explain the negative affect it will have and hope to get a revised order which is more actionable.
>do the closest thing to what he ordered you to do which fits within how you are allowed to operate which also accomplishes the goal of the given order.

Pick depending on exactly what the issue is and what the consequences will be for following the dumb order. If you have to explain why the order is dumb try and explain it in terms of lost production/time, violation of procedures and whose ultimate authority established instructions are derived from.

The absolute wrong answer is to just follow an order to do a thing you know is wrong without saying anything, because ultimately when there's fire and hydraulic fluid and warped metal everywhere the officer who told you to make that happen will feign ignorance, say that you're the subject matter expert and should know better and because you personally violated standing procedures you knew or should have known about you are responsible and now you lost a pay grade and have to re-qualify everything.

Just keep on having your superior officers suffer tragic accidents in the line of duty until they either send you a competent one, or send you a totally ineffectual one who will agree with whatever you say as long as you phrase it like it was his idea in the first place.

Or they just stop sending replacement officers because they noticed the casualty rate on the books and now your entire company is under investigation, but you all know what's what so not a single person says SHIT and they can't do anything about it.